[Official] Astros @ Padres

[Castor27]

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8-17 Woody Williams, RHP (6-12, 5.09) vs. Jake Peavy, RHP (13-5, 2.23) 9:05 on FSN

8-18 Roy Oswalt, RHP (13-6, 3.32) vs. Justin Germano, RHP (6-6, 4.16) 9:05 on KNWS

8-19 Matt Albers, RHP (3-5, 5.99) vs. Greg Maddux, RHP (8-9, 4.00) 3:05 on FSN

[JaWindex]

LWW

Sweet, I get to see Roy pitch on tv.

[rrj_gamz]

LWW...GD Astros...everytime they win a couple, they end up losing a couple...f'n season sux...

[Austin70]

I hope Ensberg doesn't have a big seires.

[Uprising]

WWW.

Morgan hits 2 HR's this series.

[MiniMing]

WWW.

Astros baby.

[DOMINATOR]

i was right last series...

LWW

[smeiou78]

SD is struggling right now, so we absolutely must win this series. I command it! :mad:

[texanskan]

WWW.

Astros baby.

lol!!

a positive Astros post

LWL

[RocketManJosh]

I'll be at all three games ... WWW (please?)

[TMac640]

lol!!

a positive Astros post

LWL

he's up to his usual dumbass postings in the astros threads if you look at his last post in the texans offseason thread.

[DOMINATOR]

OT: Webb is dominating lately... 40 straight scoreless innings and counting

[TMac640]

peavy appears to be.... sorta... striking out every astros batter he faces.

this bodes well for woody :)

[TMac640]

i apparently missed the berkman bomb :)

[RocketFan007]

Berkman again.

3-1 'stros

[WhoMikeJames]

Lance is on fire recently. Attaboy.

[torque]

Did anyone actually think we'd beat Jake Peavy with Woody freakin Williams going?

...7.5 back...

[smeiou78]

Now that's the Berkman we all know and love. *sigh* and yet we are still 8 games back because the Cubs are now in 1st.

Lamb
1-for-3, W, 0 LOB

Wigginton
0-for-4, 2 SO, 3 LOB

[smeiou78]

Now that's the Berkman we all know and love. *sigh* and yet we are still 8 games back because the Cubs are now in 1st.

Lamb
1-for-3, W, 0 LOB

Wigginton
0-for-4, 2 SO, 3 LOB

I mean we are 7.5 back.

[MadMax]

Did anyone actually think we'd beat Jake Peavy with Woody freakin Williams going?

...7.5 back...

good times. goooood times. :)

[smeiou78]

Did anyone actually think we'd beat Jake Peavy with Woody freakin Williams going?

...7.5 back...

Woody has actually been pretty good the last few games, and Wandy was surprisingly good last night, especially considering he has the worst road ERA in the league. This is what we've been waiting for all year.

[weslinder]

Woody has actually been pretty good the last few games, and Wandy was surprisingly good last night, especially considering he has the worst road ERA in the league. This is what we've been waiting for all year.

Who would have ever thought, before the season started, that Woody's performance would be acceptable and Jennings's would be awful? I would've predicted the exact opposite.

[RocketManJosh]

well that was fun .. Nice to see the Stros finally win a freaking game against Peavy.

on a side note ... Pence looked good in BP ... When is he supposed to be back to playing?

[deepellumrocket]

Now that's the Berkman we all know and love. *sigh* and yet we are still 8 games back because the Cubs are now in 1st.

Lamb
1-for-3, W, 0 LOB

Wigginton
0-for-4, 2 SO, 3 LOB

So how does Lamb get the win, and Wigginton gets credit for 2 shut outs.

[smeiou78]

So how does Lamb get the win, and Wigginton gets credit for 2 shut outs.

Huh? :confused:

[Nashvegas]

on a side note ... Pence looked good in BP ... When is he supposed to be back to playing?

Pence was/is supposed to go to Corpus or RR for a few games this weekend to rehab and should join the club next week. The weather in those areas has postponed that, so it could be later, or if the games continue to rain out, he might just work his way back as a PH or something.

[MiniMing]

he's up to his usual dumbass postings in the astros threads if you look at his last post in the texans offseason thread.

C'mon man... Dumbass posting? Not necessary, I love me some Astros.

And we won tonight.

[smeiou78]

So how does Lamb get the win, and Wigginton gets credit for 2 shut outs.

I should've used "BB" instead of "W" for "walk", but "SO" is what it is.

[TMac640]

C'mon man... Dumbass posting? Not necessary, I love me some Astros.

And we won tonight.

at least your a good troll that takes bashing in stride, congrats.

[RocketFan007]

Pence was/is supposed to go to Corpus or RR for a few games this weekend to rehab and should join the club next week. The weather in those areas has postponed that, so it could be later, or if the games continue to rain out, he might just work his way back as a PH or something.

He's playing in Round Rock tonight, and is scheduled to play at least 3 games.

[Pocket Rockets]

I should've used "BB" instead of "W" for "walk", but "SO" is what it is.

its "K" for a strikeout

[deepellumrocket]

I should've used "BB" instead of "W" for "walk", but "SO" is what it is.


After looking around at some stats websites and my old baseball cards, it turns out you are right. They used SHO for "shut out".

That's weird because I had always heard that official scorers used K for "strike out" to avoid the confusion with "shut out". If that's not true, then I wonder what is the real story behind using K.


:o

[Little_Scott]

After looking around at some stats websites and my old baseball cards, it turns out you are right. They used SHO for "shut out".

That's weird because I had always heard that official scorers used K for "strike out" to avoid the confusion with "shut out". If that's not true, then I wonder what is the real story behind using K.


:o

If S is used for Save, could SO be for Save Opportunities, just as BS is for Blown Save? Hence the SHO??

[torque]

What happened to Carlos?

[DOMINATOR]

What happened to Carlos?
rip hip flexor... they think its from sliding into 2nd earlier in the game.

what happened to Roy?

[torque]

rip hip flexor... they think its from sliding into 2nd earlier in the game.

what happened to Roy?
strained left oblique, day-to-day

[TMac640]

Hmm, so half our team died this game :(

[smeiou78]

its "K" for a strikeout

I just use what's on the official boxscore, which is "SO". Next time I'll use "K".

[smeiou78]

Twiggy made some nice defensive plays tonight, and he actually out-dueled Lamb for once. Burke & Berkman also made some nice plays in the outfield.

Lamb
0-for-4, 0 RBI, 0 BB, 1 K, 2 LOB

Wigginton
2-for-3, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 0 K, 0 LOB

[smeiou78]

After looking around at some stats websites and my old baseball cards, it turns out you are right. They used SHO for "shut out".

That's weird because I had always heard that official scorers used K for "strike out" to avoid the confusion with "shut out". If that's not true, then I wonder what is the real story behind using K.


:o

Although you should've been able to figure it out considering I was talking about hitters, not pitchers. ;)

[The Cat]

So, let's see. The Astros were significantly closer to first place in this game than they were last Saturday night... and Lidge comes in in a one-run game and shuts the door, making the Padres look absolutely silly in the process. He's 4-for-4 on saves this week, most without even allowing a hit...

However, there's not the slightest mention of it here. Why? It's not a "big game" unless Lidge/the Astros lose. In that case, "everyone knew what would happen" because it "happens every time." Figures. :rolleyes:

[smeiou78]

So, let's see. The Astros were significantly closer to first place in this game than they were last Saturday night... and Lidge comes in in a one-run game and shuts the door, making the Padres look absolutely silly in the process. He's 4-for-4 on saves this week, most without even allowing a hit...

However, there's not the slightest mention of it here. Why? It's not a "big game" unless Lidge/the Astros lose. In that case, "everyone knew what would happen" because it "happens every time." Figures. :rolleyes:

I think most people do not consider it a "big game" because we're not playing our own division. Of course, every game is big to me. Props to Lidge and the entire bullpen tonight, pitching 4 1/3 innings of hitless baseball.

[Zac D]

So, let's see. The Astros were significantly closer to first place in this game than they were last Saturday night... and Lidge comes in in a one-run game and shuts the door, making the Padres look absolutely silly in the process. He's 4-for-4 on saves this week, most without even allowing a hit...

However, there's not the slightest mention of it here. Why? It's not a "big game" unless Lidge/the Astros lose. In that case, "everyone knew what would happen" because it "happens every time." Figures. :rolleyes:

Also, Chad Qualls sucks.

[The Cat]

I think most people do not consider it a "big game" because we're not playing our own division. Of course, every game is big to me. Props to Lidge and the entire bullpen tonight, pitching 4 1/3 innings of hitless baseball.

I definitely respect where you're coming from. But the problem with the "most people" you're describing (definitely not talking about you) is that they completely ignored his two scoreless outings against the now first-place Cubs to start that homestand... and instead singled out one incredibly unlucky break and turned that into the biggest game in the history of the franchise, while acting as though the others were completely meaningless. It was ridiculous.

[The Cat]

Also, Chad Qualls sucks.

Yep. Should've traded Qualls at the deadline for (insert mediocre outfielder who is hitting worse than Scott/Lamb).

Also, Tim Purpura is fat.

[DaDakota]

Cat,

I can tell you why there is no mention, most people have given up on the Astros for this year, they are a non event.

DD

[DOMINATOR]

So, let's see. The Astros were significantly closer to first place in this game than they were last Saturday night... and Lidge comes in in a one-run game and shuts the door, making the Padres look absolutely silly in the process. He's 4-for-4 on saves this week, most without even allowing a hit...

However, there's not the slightest mention of it here. Why? It's not a "big game" unless Lidge/the Astros lose. In that case, "everyone knew what would happen" because it "happens every time." Figures. :rolleyes:
because closers are invisible unless they blow the game... nature of the job.

[deepellumrocket]

because closers are invisible unless they blow the game... nature of the job.

Except that Eric Gagne was highly visible that year when he didn't blow any.

[LonghornFan]

Cat,

I can tell you why there is no mention, most people have given up on the Astros for this year, they are a non event.

DD

Unfortunately, that is the truth.

[Nick]

I can tell you why there is no mention, most people have given up on the Astros for this year, they are a non event.


Certainly doesn't stop people from pissing all over them when they lose, or if Lidge fails to perform.

And, by your above definition, this board is apparently more full of bandwagoners than ever.... only choosing to observe a winning team within 3 games of a pennant.

I'm just glad the division is playing out exactly like I thought it would... mediocre, and totally up for grabs. Had certain aspects of this team performed like they should of the entire year, this would be a more exciting time.

[MiniMing]

Cat,

I can tell you why there is no mention, most people have given up on the Astros for this year, they are a non event.

DD

Well... I'm not giving up, we still have a month and a half of baseball left.

Anything can happen.

[Nashvegas]

He's playing in Round Rock tonight, and is scheduled to play at least 3 games.

1-3 with a double. I can't wait to get this guy back.

[BigM]

Cat,

I can tell you why there is no mention, most people have given up on the Astros for this year, they are a non event.

DD



if lidge had blown the save, this thread would be at least an extra page longer. that has nothing to do with the astros being a non-event and more with people being bitchy.

[TMac640]

The question is, how long will Oswalt and Lee be out? Sure, we've won the series against the Padres, but we're absolutely ****ed if either's going to miss significant time.

[Nashvegas]

The question is, how long will Oswalt and Lee be out? Sure, we've won the series against the Padres, but we're absolutely ****ed if either's going to miss significant time.

no kidding, how much would that suck to lose those guys for an extended amount of time when we start to get things rolling.

At least Pence will be back later this week

[ryan17wagner]

The question is, how long will Oswalt and Lee be out? Sure, we've won the series against the Padres, but we're absolutely ****ed if either's going to miss significant time.


Oswalt has a left oblique muscle strain, that's what Lidge had and he was out a month. He could be done for the year.

[MadMax]

Cat,

I can tell you why there is no mention, most people have given up on the Astros for this year, they are a non event.

DD

Except for about a week ago when apparently it was all different and Lidge's blown save meant he was finished as a closer.

[MadMax]

because closers are invisible unless they blow the game... nature of the job.

wow, i completely disagree. closers have been rock & roll baseball. wagner, hoffman, rivera, lidge...these guys get their "own song" to come out to. we look to the bullpen in the 8th to see them getting warmed up. their arrival in the game is anticipated. they're anything but invisible.

[SWTsig]

if lidge had blown the save, this thread would be at least an extra page longer. that has nothing to do with the astros being a non-event and more with people being bitchy.

people like to bitch.

just look at your post, cat's post, and nick's post BITCHING about people bitching....

[DaDakota]

if lidge had blown the save, this thread would be at least an extra page longer. that has nothing to do with the astros being a non-event and more with people being bitchy.

I disagree,

I don't think everyone is following them, and probably many don't realize they are still somewhat in this thing.

DD

[RocketManJosh]

people like to bitch.

just look at your post, cat's post, and nick's post BITCHING about people bitching....

and your post ... damn it ... now my post too.

[Gene the PIG]

& this one too ... nice to see The Clap still being a COMPLETE TOOL.

[Nick]

Oswalt has a left oblique muscle strain, that's what Lidge had and he was out a month. He could be done for the year.

Oswalt missed a game 2 weeks ago with the same injury, and came back and pitched 3 more stellar outings before last night.

[Surfguy]

You always lose a lot of posters when there is nothing to bitch about. That's the way life works. Some people just like to bitch and are terrible at the compliments. lol

Good job, Lidge. I'm glad you found your mechanics again. You have some bad luck with those HR balls but you are "doing one heckuva job, Brownie" (Bush). lol

[Gene the PIG]

Let's hope they ARE all alright, & we can do make it interesting. Ya never know.

7.5 out of first, & 4 from the cellar.

A "certain person" would rather wait around for a week & say "Itoldyaso! Itoldyaso!" like an immature know-it-all everytime his boy does what he gets paid to do, than band together for the stretch.

Waste energy trying to tell people what kind of fan they are, even though he's never seen J.R. Richard pitch, & probably never even saw Nolan Ryan in an Astros uni either! :rolleyes:

'Tever. Post away on Saturday night, Clap. You rock. We don't. :rolleyes:

[The Cat]

Let's hope they ARE all alright, & we can do make it interesting. Ya never know.

7.5 out of first, & 4 from the cellar.

A "certain person" would rather wait around for a week & say "Itoldyaso! Itoldyaso!" like an immature know-it-all everytime his boy does what he gets paid to do, than band together for the stretch.

Waste energy trying to tell people what kind of fan they are, even though he's never seen J.R. Richard pitch, & probably never even saw Nolan Ryan in an Astros uni either! :rolleyes:

'Tever. Post away on Saturday night, Clap. You rock. We don't. :rolleyes:

Wait around for a week? No. He's been doing this essentially all year long. Being an "immature know-it-all" would be waiting for one poor result after 3-4 dominating months, and then acting like that result is representative of how that player has performed throughout that time.

And tenure following a team speaks nothing to the kind of fan someone is. I know people that have followed the Astros back from the Jimmy Wynn days, and they're complete idiots when it comes to actually understanding baseball.

By the way, I find it particularly ironic that you're apparently calling me out for making a post "on Saturday night," yet your initial whine and crybaby act regarding Lidge came from a post... on Saturday night a week ago. You really have a special ability to call people out and get on your high horse without as much as providing a shred of actual analysis as to why you think the things you think. I'm impressed.

[The Cat]

Oswalt has a left oblique muscle strain, that's what Lidge had and he was out a month. He could be done for the year.

Actually, Lidge was ready to come off the DL after his 15 days from the oblique. It was healed. What made him stay out two weeks longer was a re-aggravation of his right knee injury (which he ices before every game and will have to have surgery on after the season).

That said, Lidge's recovery was a very quick one... in some cases (Jake Westbrook), it's been as long as 57 days. And it might be different with a starting pitcher -- I'm not sure. It might be the nail in the coffin.

[smeiou78]

Oswalt missed a game 2 weeks ago with the same injury, and came back and pitched 3 more stellar outings before last night.

His injury was different. He said he's never had an oblique strain before, so he doesn't know what to expect as far as recovery.

[TMac640]

His injury was different. He said he's never had an oblique strain before, so he doesn't know what to expect as far as recovery.

We can rebuild him.

[Uprising]

The Astros suffered two potentially devastating losses on Saturday, with their star hitter and ace pitcher both leaving early with injuries.

Carlos Lee left the game with a strained right hip flexor, near his groin area, prior to his at-bat in the third inning, suffering the injury in an attempt to break up a double play in the first. The left fielder's status is listed as day-to-day.

Roy Oswalt left his start with two outs in the fifth inning with a strained left oblique muscle. He is also listed as day-to-day.


Are they alright? :eek: :confused: :(

[tomato]

I saw a picture of Ty Wigginton picking up Kalil Green, somebody please explain :(

[DaDakota]

Waste energy trying to tell people what kind of fan they are, even though he's never seen J.R. Richard pitch, & probably never even saw Nolan Ryan in an Astros uni either! :rolleyes:
:

Gene,

I live in Austin and ran into Keith Moreland the other day, he is a local radio guy and used to be an outfielder for the Phillies I think.

I asked him about JR Richard, and he said he was by far the hardest pitcher he ever faced.

Said he was so long that the ball looked like he was just handing it to the catcher and his slider was NASTY.

Too bad the team did not believe JR when he said he had a dead arm.....if they found that clot, they could have removed it, and he would have been out about 2 weeks, instead of going through a minor stroke, losing his career and almost his life.

What an amazing pitcher he was.......nasty.

DD

[Gene the PIG]

AWESOME!

As was he.

I was just a kid, but man ... he was my fave. I remember that summer well. Watched him start & dominate as the NL All-star starter from a hotel room in Nags Head NC, & then it went downhill shortly thereafter. :(

Very sad. :(

I'm trying to think of a starter right now, that we could compare that situation to, if they went down & never really pitched again. Santana? Zambrano?

Those guys, while great ... I don't know ... it just doesn't seem like it could compare to a player of J.R.'s talent getting cut down in their prime like that.

We would have had Him, Ryan, Sutton, Niekro ... who else did we have? I should look it up. Insane talent!


Cat - lick the sack.

[MadMax]

Berkman goes yard, again.

A sweep of the Friars would be great heading home to see the Nats.

[The Cat]

Stay classy, Gene.

It's kind of strange how Munson is batting behind Lane and Bruntlett in the lineup, but ultimately I doubt that makes a huge difference. This would be a huge one to take, considering Lee is out and Albers is pitching.

[TMac640]

Gene, your posts are well thought out and reasoned. Good job, lmao.

[TMac640]

Nice to see berkman go yard, it might just be our only hit of the game :cool:

[codell]

I asked him about JR Richard, and he said he was by far the hardest pitcher he ever faced.


I think Richards was gone before Moreland even made it to the majors. :confused:

[Little_Scott]

Wow, that was a great throw by Burke!...see what we can do now that Maddux is out.

[Nick]

His injury was different. He said he's never had an oblique strain before, so he doesn't know what to expect as far as recovery.

An oblique strain was the reason he missed his start a couple of weeks ago... its likely the same one.

[MiniMing]

Tough loss, oh well... we get the Nationals tomorrow.

[The Cat]

An oblique strain was the reason he missed his start a couple of weeks ago... its likely the same one.

That was soreness in his upper chest... different from his oblique, if I understand correctly.

[smeiou78]

An oblique strain was the reason he missed his start a couple of weeks ago... its likely the same one.

His last injury:
"Oswalt left Friday's game in the seventh inning after suffering from a costochondral irritation, which is basically a strain in the upper area of his chest, near the right breastbone."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070721&content_id=2101121&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

His current injury:
"This is the first oblique I've had," he said. "The year before, I had intercostal [strain], as far as ribs. I knew how far I could push myself with it. This one is a little different. You tear an oblique, you can miss four or five weeks. I don't think I tore it, but it doesn't feel well."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20070818&content_id=2156800&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[smeiou78]

Lamb made a couple of outstanding plays at 1B to make up for his 2 errors a couple of nights ago. Twiggy actually helped turn a double play. None of it matters since we lost. We really need the Cubs to lose tonight. :(

Lamb
1-for-4, 1 RBI, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 LOB

Wigginton
0-for-3, 0 RBI, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 LOB

[smeiou78]

Tough loss, oh well... we get the Nationals tomorrow.

They have some good pitchers, but we need a sweep.

[DaDakota]

I think Richards was gone before Moreland even made it to the majors. :confused:


Moreland's career stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/morelke01.shtml)

JR Richard's career stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/richaj.01.shtml)

Looks like they overlapped for 2 years, and Moreland probably faced him in '79 and '80...during JR's prime, so I am sure he probably knows a little about him.

I looked up Moreland's stats vs pitchers and didn't see any ABs against JR and the same for JR against Moreland.

He did say he was the best pitcher he ever saw, maybe he only faced him in Spring training? Who knows.....still it was a good compliment.

DD

[BigTex]

whats the story on juan gutierrez, any potential?

[smeiou78]

whats the story on juan gutierrez, any potential?

He pitched a scoreless inning w/ a K and 2 quick groundouts. There is hope yet.