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Castor27
08-13-2007, 04:13 PM
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8-13 Roy Oswalt, RHP (12-6, 3.42) vs. Chad Billingsley, RHP (7-3, 3.34) 9:10 on FSN/ESPN2
8-14 Matt Albers, RHP (2-5, 6.20) vs. Brett Tomko, RHP (2-9, 5.49) 9:10 on KNWS
8-15 Jason Jennings, RHP (2-7, 6.15) vs. Brad Penny, RHP (13-3, 2.54) 9:10 on FSN
8-16 Wandy Rodriguez, LHP (7-10, 4.34) vs. Derek Lowe, RHP (8-11, 3.61) 9:10 on FSN
No Worries
08-13-2007, 04:19 PM
lucky to win 1.
WLLL
sWWWeep (for the Dodgers) :(
texanskan
08-13-2007, 04:29 PM
WLLL, football season is less than 1 month away :D
DOMINATOR
08-13-2007, 04:38 PM
..WWLL
MadMax
08-13-2007, 04:47 PM
WLLW...
Uprising
08-13-2007, 09:51 PM
You'd think, the pitcher would pay for his inability to throw a strike to our 8 and 9 batters (Brad and Roy...)
Damnit Burke. Aren't u good for anything. >:(
Kerfeld
08-13-2007, 09:59 PM
I really wanted to see Burke succeed in that situation.
Uprising
08-13-2007, 10:21 PM
Great pitching match up so far. 3 hits for the stros...2 for dodgers.
TMac640
08-13-2007, 11:55 PM
some pretty damn good pitching by roy lately.
kaleidosky
08-14-2007, 12:14 AM
anyone hear why Qualls came in to close? Just cause Lidge has been used a lot lately or any kind of change in the pen?
smeiou78
08-14-2007, 10:37 AM
anyone hear why Qualls came in to close? Just cause Lidge has been used a lot lately or any kind of change in the pen?
They said he was scheduled to have a day off.
Blake
08-14-2007, 12:31 PM
Wow. 11 replies so far.
I actually watched all of this one. We looked good (well Burke didn't).
smeiou78
08-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Wow. 11 replies so far.
I actually watched all of this one. We looked good (well Burke didn't).
Well this is primarily a ROCKETS forum, after all. ;)
Blake
08-14-2007, 12:54 PM
Who are these Rockets you speak of?
WhoMikeJames
08-14-2007, 03:14 PM
After the Astros started sucking, I generally don't come in here anymore.
After the Astros started sucking, I generally don't come in here anymore.
So, how's everything been for you since May of 2006? :D
right1
08-14-2007, 05:04 PM
Lidge says we still have a shot.
Kerfeld
08-14-2007, 09:18 PM
Come on Scott, lets get one here
moligity
08-14-2007, 09:47 PM
Vin Scully just said that every time he says 'Matt Albers' it makes him think of Bill Cosby and Fat Albert. Then he says, "maybe its just me" or something like that.
Uprising
08-14-2007, 10:06 PM
Man the Stros are getting screwed on calls this series.
That last blown call by the ump cost us AT LEAST 1 run.
BMoney
08-14-2007, 10:41 PM
That was a very nice at-bat for Luke Scott.
King of 40 Acres
08-14-2007, 10:57 PM
Big hit by Burke - its games like these make me wonder where this team has been all year- very frustrating to see them play well when they are in all reality out of the race.
BMoney
08-14-2007, 11:04 PM
Big hit by Burke - its games like these make me wonder where this team has been all year- very frustrating to see them play well when they are in all reality out of the race.
Well, the beauty of a 162 game season is that even in a season of disappointment there are still a lot of good baseball and good memories. You can't say that about every sport.
Major
08-14-2007, 11:46 PM
Big hit by Burke - its games like these make me wonder where this team has been all year- very frustrating to see them play well when they are in all reality out of the race.
:confused: Even bad teams win more than 40% of their games. There's only one team in baseball winning less than 40% (tampa bay) and one team winning more than 60% (boston). In 8 of out 10 games, the worst and best teams in baseball will look virtually identical. The good teams will win the other two, the bad teams will lose the other two.
King of 40 Acres
08-14-2007, 11:57 PM
:confused: Even bad teams win more than 40% of their games. There's only one team in baseball winning less than 40% (tampa bay) and one team winning more than 60% (boston). In 8 of out 10 games, the worst and best teams in baseball will look virtually identical. The good teams will win the other two, the bad teams will lose the other two.
I get what you're saying Major, I guess I should have stated my malcontent a little better. I was just trying to imply that its tough for me to see the Astros play well certain stretches of the season and then not so well in others. But most teams go through this as well (Yankees for instance). Especially in such a mediocre division that was really anyone's for the taking, the Astros had every opportunity to get back in the race but I just think it's a little too late now.
Lidge looks like he's overthrowing and flying open again. If he doesn't calm the heck down, this won't end well.
OK, shouldn't Gold Glove winner Brad Ausmus get credited with that "save"?
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 12:16 AM
OK, shouldn't Gold Glove winner Brad Ausmus get credited with that "save"?
Lidge got a K and induced a popout. Give him some credit.
Hahaha... probably the worst ending to a baseball game that I've seen.
Lidge got a K and induced a popout. Give him some credit.
I made my post before he recorded an out. Glad for the win, but he was leaving his pitches up and he was falling toward the first base side at the end of his delivery. And his shoulder was flying open during his delivery--all signs of overthrowing.
You can "close out" a slumping team with crap like that, but you'll get exposed if you keep it up. From everything I've heard (I rarely get to watch), he's looked a lot better most of the summer with regard to mechanics, so hopefully this will be the exception and not the rule.
I saw *one* great pitch--the one that got the strikeout (but I didn't see the pitch that got him the popup).
Hahaha... probably the worst ending to a baseball game that I've seen.
Never a bad ending when it puts a "W" in the Astros' record.
JaWindex
08-15-2007, 12:37 AM
Good to see the 'Stros win. I needed something after that Dynamo ending :(
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 12:38 AM
I made my post before he recorded an out. Glad for the win, but he was leaving his pitches up and he was falling toward the first base side at the end of his delivery. And his shoulder was flying open during his delivery--all signs of overthrowing.
You can "close out" a slumping team with crap like that, but you'll get exposed if you keep it up. From everything I've heard (I rarely get to watch), he's looked a lot better most of the summer with regard to mechanics, so hopefully this will be the exception and not the rule.
I saw *one* great pitch--the one that got the strikeout (but I didn't see the pitch that got him the popup).
Well I'm glad he didn't get into trouble this time. :D
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 12:43 AM
Hahaha... probably the worst ending to a baseball game that I've seen.
But good for us. ;) I don't think the Dodgers were quite into the game anymore. LOL and did you see Berkman jumping up & down trying to attract Ausmus' attention to throw to 1st? Funny funny.
Uprising
08-15-2007, 12:46 AM
Well, we gained back a game. Back to where we were before the Brew Crew beat us. IIRC.
DaDakota
08-15-2007, 12:56 AM
8 games back.......If we get within 5 by the end of August...well....
DD
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 01:04 AM
Well, we gained back a game. Back to where we were before the Brew Crew beat us. IIRC.
*sigh* when we really should've swept them... :(
Mehdi
08-15-2007, 01:09 AM
8 games back.......If we get within 5 by the end of August...well....
DD
True this...anything is possible..i really see cards and astros taking over the cubs and brewers spots...cars and astros battleing for first heading towards final series of the season :D
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08-15-2007, 01:46 AM
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Little_Scott
08-15-2007, 01:49 AM
I say Lidge's knee is bothering him more than he is letting on. I don't know if I want to win the extra 2-3 games that he may close out for us in exchange for him getting all outta whack again.
MadMax
08-15-2007, 08:35 AM
Wow! I didn't see the end of the game. What the hell was he thinking that far off the base on a foul ball pop up to the catcher?
Brew Crew and Baby Bears are struggling hard.
I say Lidge's knee is bothering him more than he is letting on.
Maybe so. Didn't I hear yesterday that offseason surgery is imminent?
LOL and did you see Berkman jumping up & down trying to attract Ausmus' attention to throw to 1st? Funny funny.
Hah! I didn't catch that until the reply; I thought it was just Ausmus being Ausmus.
The Cat
08-15-2007, 10:47 AM
Maybe so. Didn't I hear yesterday that offseason surgery is imminent?
Yeah, he's said that since the All-Star break... he's having to ice it every day before BP. He said the other day he would continue to pitch, but that it did have the potential to impact his arm, and if it did, that's when he would have to shut it down...
So yes, surgery is essentially a lock at this point.
rrj_gamz
08-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Hell yeah b*tches...
The Cat
08-15-2007, 06:59 PM
By the way, Mariano Rivera allowed three runs in one inning today to lose the game, and his ERA soared to 3.46 (higher than you know who).
I think Rivera is finished mentally. He might be okay in the seventh inning, but he can't close anymore. It certainly doesn't just happen -- closing is automatic if you're good, every time. He folds every time there is pressure. He is a choker. The Yankees should have traded this loser a long time ago. All the fans knew what could, and most likely would, happen.
Guys, anyone interested in him as a reclamation project? :D
RiceRocket1
08-15-2007, 08:44 PM
By the way, Mariano Rivera allowed three runs in one inning today to lose the game, and his ERA soared to 3.46 (higher than you know who).
I think Rivera is finished mentally. He might be okay in the seventh inning, but he can't close anymore. It certainly doesn't just happen -- closing is automatic if you're good, every time. He folds every time there is pressure. He is a choker. The Yankees should have traded this loser a long time ago. All the fans knew what could, and most likely would, happen.
Guys, anyone interested in him as a reclamation project? :D
No, not interested. Once a closer blows a game he's finished mentally and can never close again.
I think Huff will always be in his head since he homered on him today. I'd never let him face Aubrey again.
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 08:46 PM
I hate to say it, but I'm really loving the Cards right now. They're doing us a huge favor by poundings the Brewers. We know we can beat the Cardinals, so I'm not worried about them being in the race again. :)
That said, today will be a tough game to win. Jennings hasn't had a quality start in awhile, and we're going against Brad Penny. :eek:
Major
08-15-2007, 10:29 PM
I think Rivera is finished mentally. He might be okay in the seventh inning, but he can't close anymore.
Except it wasn't a save situation today - so he wasn't really "closing". :p
The Cat
08-15-2007, 10:32 PM
Except it wasn't a save situation today - so he wasn't really "closing". :p
haha, forgot about that. Although, he did blow a save two nights ago. Maybe they should just cut him altogether. :D
The Cat
08-15-2007, 11:05 PM
Who didn't see that coming?
DaDakota
08-15-2007, 11:07 PM
Tonight's loss sponsored by:
Phil Garner - The moron who leaves horrid starting pitchers in too long.
&
Jason Jennings - Possibly the worst trade in Houston Astros history.
Way to kill any momentum fellas....you must have fishing trips planned in October.
MORONS !
DD
torque
08-15-2007, 11:07 PM
Who didn't see that coming?
yeah i called this **** 2 innings ago when all jennings was getting was fly balls.
hey garner - i don't care if he's getting outs..if your groundball pitcher isn't getting groundballs it's going to catch up with him.
The Cat
08-15-2007, 11:10 PM
Tonight's loss sponsored by:
Phil Garner - The moron who leaves horrid starting pitchers in too long.
&
Jason Jennings - Possibly the worst trade in Houston Astros history.
Way to kill any momentum fellas....you must have fishing trips planned in October.
MORONS !
DD
DD -- do you mind if I ask you a question?
Here's what I don't understand. I know you think extremely highly of Luke Scott, as do I. Scott's having a tremendous year, particularly of late. His OPS is in the upper .800s. He's becoming a mainstay in the heart of the lineup.
Willy Taveras has an OPS in the low .700s -- I know, I know, there's more to him than that -- but I still don't think he's as valuable of a hitter as Scott. If you could replace Scott with Taveras in this lineup, would you? I know I wouldn't, and given how highly you think of Luke, I wouldn't think you would want to either.
Clearly, Jennings hasn't panned out, but I don't see the value they gave up in return being so damaging to even call it close to the worst deal in franchise history. Why would you remove Scott from the lineup for Taveras?
DaDakota
08-15-2007, 11:13 PM
DD -- do you mind if I ask you a question?
Here's what I don't understand. I know you think extremely highly of Luke Scott, as do I. Scott's having a tremendous year, particularly of late. His OPS is in the upper .800s. He's becoming a mainstay in the heart of the lineup.
Willy Taveras has an OPS in the low .700s -- I know, I know, there's more to him than that -- but I still don't think he's as valuable of a hitter as Scott. If you could replace Scott with Taveras in this lineup, would you? I know I wouldn't, and given how highly you think of Luke, I wouldn't think you would want to either.
Clearly, Jennings hasn't panned out, but I don't see the value they gave up in return being so damaging to even call it close to the worst deal in franchise history. Why would you remove Scott from the lineup for Taveras?
Cat,
I have no problems trading Willy or Hirsch or Bucholz, it was trading all 3 of them for a pitcher who is in an expiring year of his contract, and basically can't throw a ball faster than 87-88 mph.
I am happy with an outfield of Lee, Pence and Scott.....
But I would rather watch Hirsch develop, and use Bucholz out of the bullpen than watch one more Jason Jennings beach ball throwing start.
That is why I think it was a horrid trade.....the 3 for 1 is what I have a problem with.....
DD
PS. Why can't Lance hit the fastball anymore? He used to kill those pitches...ugh.
PPS. Anyone else noticing that Tim Redding is quietly having a good year?
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 11:25 PM
Jennings was 1 inning away from an excellent game... :(
DaDakota
08-15-2007, 11:32 PM
Jennings was 1 inning away from an excellent game... :(
He is always 1 inning away.....if you watch him pitch and other teams are hitting fly balls they get deeper and deeper as the game goes on....
He was not pitching all that well, just a lot of well hit balls were at our outfielders.
He is GARBAGE !!
And I hate Garner and his righty lefty crap......just get pitchers who can get anyone out.
DD
right1
08-15-2007, 11:35 PM
Did Garner just give up and leave Trever Miller in there to face a righty? Why the hell is he in the game anyway?
right1
08-15-2007, 11:39 PM
You guys are debating this, so I'll just go ahead and say.... I would have loved a lineup of
Taveras
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Lamb
Loretta
Biggio
Ausmus
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 11:40 PM
Jennings did get away with some very long flyball outs, but this time, I thought he was going to keep it in the park. How foolish of me. Well, taking 2-of-3 from the Dodgers isn't bad. A sweep would've been amesome, but with Jennings pitching, you expect to get blown out. I guess we should be happy he only allowed 4 runs. *sigh*
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 11:48 PM
This isn't only Jennings fault either. We had several opportunities to break the game wide open. And Berkman is a strikeout machine. He strikes out more often than he gets a hit.
SO: 27.6%
AVG: .262
That doesn't include his 2 hits & 2 strikeouts tonight.
Kerfeld
08-15-2007, 11:57 PM
I dont even know what to say. They had Penny on the ropes today and couldnt knock him out. Story of the season.
smeiou78
08-15-2007, 11:59 PM
You know the game is over when they send in Mr. 12+ ERA. Randolph = white flag
Well, taking 2-of-3 from the Dodgers isn't bad. A sweep would've been amesome
They play again tonight.
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 12:26 PM
They play again tonight.
Oh right. I forgot they play 4 in LA and 3 in SD. I got them mixed up. My mistake. :) So let's take 3-of-4 from the Dodgers!
Little_Scott
08-16-2007, 12:53 PM
You guys are debating this, so I'll just go ahead and say.... I would have loved a lineup of
Taveras
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Lamb
Loretta
Biggio
Ausmus
IMO, Pence wouldn't have received as much play if Willy were manning CF on opening day. I don't even know if he would have been called up, at this point.
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 01:07 PM
IMO, Pence wouldn't have received as much play if Willy were manning CF on opening day. I don't even know if he would have been called up, at this point.
Yeah, I highly doubt Pence would've been called up if Willy were still here.
JaWindex
08-16-2007, 01:21 PM
Yeah, I highly doubt Pence would've been called up if Willy were still here.
Does that make the trade worthwhile?
With Lane sucking and Pence tearing it up in triple A, I think he would have gotten called up. Well, that is, using their real world performances as a bench mark.
The Cat
08-16-2007, 01:25 PM
Does that make the trade worthwhile?
With Lane sucking and Pence tearing it up in triple A, I think he would have gotten called up. Well, that is, using their real world performances as a bench mark.
Even if Pence is called up, I just don't understand why you'd want to take Luke Scott out of the lineup for Willy Taveras.
JaWindex
08-16-2007, 01:44 PM
Even if Pence is called up, I just don't understand why you'd want to take Luke Scott out of the lineup for Willy Taveras.
I'd love to see Luke in full time, but since Garner loves his righty-lefty match ups, Pence and he could platoon I guess.
leroy420
08-16-2007, 01:49 PM
Even if Pence is called up, I just don't understand why you'd want to take Luke Scott out of the lineup for Willy Taveras.
I agree with you, but it's a problem I'd love to have. I've tried defending this trade, but I just can't any more. I see it more as still having Hirsch. Jennings is likely gone after this season. With his and the team's performance thus far, I would have rather gone with youth (and much less $). Hindsight is 20/20 and I'd be willing to bet that Purp doesn't make that deal if he had another shot at it.
I also wonder where Jennings would be today had he not had that 11 run 1st inning just before the trade deadline. You'd like to think that gm's are going to look at more than just 1 game (or even just 1 inning), but I have to imagine that what they could have gotten in return dropped significantly in value after that performance.
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 05:32 PM
Does that make the trade worthwhile?
With Lane sucking and Pence tearing it up in triple A, I think he would have gotten called up. Well, that is, using their real world performances as a bench mark.
The trade will never be worthwhile. Lane wouldn't have been in the lineup anyway because the OF would be Lee, Taveras, and Scott.
The Cat
08-16-2007, 06:06 PM
Brewers lost again today... chance to come within 7 with a win.
Uprising
08-16-2007, 06:11 PM
Sure wish we did what the Cardinals are doing to the Brew Crew.
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 06:17 PM
Sure wish we did what the Cardinals are doing to the Brew Crew.
We'll just let the Cards and the Reds do the dirty work, and then we'll swoop in and take over the division. I'm feeling positive today. :cool:
Uprising
08-16-2007, 10:09 PM
We'll just let the Cards and the Reds do the dirty work, and then we'll swoop in and take over the division. I'm feeling positive today. :cool:
Problem is, we will have to pass the Cards too. And they are playing some decent ball!
Kerfeld
08-16-2007, 10:41 PM
I have a bad feeling the cards are going to win this division
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 11:26 PM
Lamb
2-for-3, 2 E
Wigginton
0-for-2, 2 GIDP, W, 0 E
I guess I was wrong that Lamb would be better at 1B than 3B. And if anyone is wondering, Scott didn't play because he reaggravated his groin. Just our luck. :(
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 11:28 PM
Problem is, we will have to pass the Cards too. And they are playing some decent ball!
We have 7 more games w/ St. Louis. It will be tough, but we have a better chance of beating them than the Brewers. The Brewers have our # this year.
A-Train
08-16-2007, 11:42 PM
I have a bad feeling the cards are going to win this division
Hell, Pittsburgh could sneak up and take the Comedy Central this year...
smeiou78
08-16-2007, 11:54 PM
Way to go, Twiggy. Can't even get a sac fly.
Lamb
2-for-3, 2 E
Wigginton
0-for-2, 2 GIDP, W, 0 E
I guess I was wrong that Lamb would be better at 1B than 3B. And if anyone is wondering, Scott didn't play because he reaggravated his groin. Just our luck. :(
i was going to ask why scott wasn't playing, at least we have a legit reason.
a couple things that really make me wonder:
why is lane an everyday player?
why did we trade for wiggington when lamb gives you basically the same thing and now our bullpen is weaker?
smeiou78
08-17-2007, 12:04 PM
i was going to ask why scott wasn't playing, at least we have a legit reason.
a couple things that really make me wonder:
why is lane an everyday player?
why did we trade for wiggington when lamb gives you basically the same thing and now our bullpen is weaker?
I think Lane will be gone once Pence returns. The only reason we traded for Twiggy is because he still has years left on his contract while Lamb will be a FA after this season. It doesn't make sense, but hey, it's Tim Poopoo. What do you expect?
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