View Full Version : Matt Schaub= Rob Johnson? SI column
Bag0b0y
08-09-2007, 12:17 PM
Some of you might not know who rob johnson is but the parallels are eerie.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: here's the link
sports illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/08/07/snap.judgments/index.html)
pgabriel
08-09-2007, 12:19 PM
before I read the article, let me state
david carr=brad johnson
The Real Shady
08-09-2007, 12:21 PM
I choose not to read this article. I'm trying to think positive here. :)
ima_drummer2k
08-09-2007, 12:25 PM
Funny how the article never mentions the parallels between Matt Schaub and Brett Farve. Hell, Favre was even the backup on the same team Schaub was.
Using the same "logic" the author uses, I guess no team should ever draft a QB in the first round again. After all, he might end up being the next Ryan Leaf....
:rolleyes:
conquistador#11
08-09-2007, 12:29 PM
this is not funny :(
Laozi
08-09-2007, 12:31 PM
this is kind of funny with all the "Atlanta Falcons will forever regret trading Schaub" stories that have been cropping up since Vick has been indicted
pgabriel
08-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Funny how the article never mentions the parallels between Matt Schaub and Brett Farve. Hell, Favre was even the backup on the same team Schaub was.
Using the same "logic" the author uses, I guess no team should ever draft a QB in the first round again. After all, he might end up being the next Ryan Leaf....
:rolleyes:
honestly, if you had to make a bet, which do you think is more likely. for every bret farve, there are tons of brad johnsons.
also, just a note, I think first round draft failures of qbs are a lot higher than you probably would expect.
HillBoy
08-09-2007, 12:39 PM
So that's where this discussion originated. I'd been hearing this discussed up here in JerryLand and was confused as to where this came from and why it was started. The cowsheep up here never let an opportunity pass if it's a chance to bash the Texans. Yes the parallels are there but the key difference is that Schaub is far more motivated to succeed. Johnson's attitude toward competition was a lot like David Carr's in that respect and that's what ultimately did him in at Buffalo.
pgabriel
08-09-2007, 12:48 PM
honestly, I understand you guys' willingness to protect the home team, that's all fine and good,
but the texans have to earn positive articles.
HillBoy
08-09-2007, 12:53 PM
Funny how the article never mentions the parallels between Matt Schaub and Brett Farve. Hell, Favre was even the backup on the same team Schaub was.
Using the same "logic" the author uses, I guess no team should ever draft a QB in the first round again. After all, he might end up being the next Ryan Leaf....
:rolleyes:
Ima, what else are they going to say? Schaub does not have a track record established yet so all that's left is speculation about how he'll perform. The stakes for Schaub & Kubiak could not be any higher because Schaub's performance will go a long way to moving this franchise past the events of 2006. Because of that, I'd hold off on the Brett Farve comparisions for now.
ima_drummer2k
08-09-2007, 01:06 PM
Ima, what else are they going to say? Schaub does not have a track record established yet so all that's left is speculation about how he'll perform. The stakes for Schaub & Kubiak could not be any higher because Schaub's performance will go a long way to moving this franchise past the events of 2006. Because of that, I'd hold off on the Brett Farve comparisions for now.
LOL, believe me, I'm not comparing him to Brett Favre... Hell, I've never even seen the guy play, to be honest.
My point is that, hypothetically, he could VERY WELL end up being the next ROB Johnson. But, hypothetically, he could also end up being the next Steve Young.
I don't disagree with the article. I just don't know what the point of it is.
Maybe I'm a little biased, but still.....
HillBoy
08-09-2007, 01:25 PM
LOL, believe me, I'm not comparing him to Brett Favre... Hell, I've never even seen the guy play, to be honest.
My point is that, hypothetically, he could VERY WELL end up being the next Brad Johnson. But, hypothetically, he could also end up being the next Steve Young.
I don't disagree with the article. I just don't know what the point of it is.
Maybe I'm a little biased, but still.....
I don't think the writer was trying to make any specific point per se, merely pointing out the similarities between the two QB situations. Actually, Schaub probably won't be the problem if the offense falters - that blame will probably go to the OL which is still what I'd describe as less than stellar.
david carr=brad johnson
honestly, if you had to make a bet, which do you think is more likely. for every bret farve, there are tons of brad johnsons.
ok, that's rwice now you've referenced "brad johnson" in a negative light - do you mean rob? because i would've been thrilled if carr had turned out as good as brad johnson (2 pro bowls, a super bowl ring and 12-15 years of above average play) and would hope the same for schaub.
as for the article itself - it has merit, until schaub proves it doesn't - they gave away two day 1 picks and a large contract for the guy.
ima_drummer2k
08-09-2007, 02:34 PM
ok, that's rwice now you've referenced "brad johnson" in a negative light - do you mean rob?
Damn, I did it too. Thank goodness for 'edit'.
pgabriel
08-09-2007, 02:40 PM
ok, that's rwice now you've referenced "brad johnson" in a negative light - do you mean rob? because i would've been thrilled if carr had turned out as good as brad johnson (2 pro bowls, a super bowl ring and 12-15 years of above average play) and would hope the same for schaub.
as for the article itself - it has merit, until schaub proves it doesn't - they gave away two day 1 picks and a large contract for the guy.
yes, my bad
wreck
08-09-2007, 02:52 PM
yea well i think there is at least one other team dying to have matt shaub right about now.
the falcons, i bet they dont think all those picks were worth it now.
texanskan
08-09-2007, 03:09 PM
yea well i think there is at least one other team dying to have matt shaub right about now.
the falcons, i bet they dont think all those picks were worth it now.
I heard Matt Schaub wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence
My point is that, hypothetically, he could VERY WELL end up being the next ROB Johnson. But, hypothetically, he could also end up being the next Steve Young.
young really isn't an apt comparison; he wasn't a back-up when the niners dealt for him and had been a highly sought-after prospect in college - he would have been a top overall pick had he not first gone to the usfl. favre really isn't apt, either, imo - the packers did give up a 1st round pick for him (favre had been a 2nd round pick the year before), but they didn't sign him to the type of potentially crippling deal that johnson and schaub signed.
the texans gave up a lot for schaub - they swapped first round picks, gave up with will likely be two top 40 picks and handed him a ginormous contract. johnson's a pretty fair comparison, imo - it means nothing, but the similiarities do exist.
Mr. Clutch
08-09-2007, 05:15 PM
Dont worry, Ahman Green will save us.
redgoose
08-09-2007, 05:47 PM
The contract he got still bugs me. Although i may think it's a bargain next year at this time. He should have at least played 1/2 a season for us before getting paid so much. I can understand why Shaub would want a fat contract 1st, especially with our offensive line. But would he really of refused to come here and start w/o a new contract? Players that threaten to hold out always end up caving in so they can get a paycheck. He was thinking he'd be backing up Vick again and not getting a single snap. At least playing for us he would be auditioning for every team? Tony Romo took Dallas to the playoffs and they still wouldn't even give him a contract extension because they want to see what he does this year. Shaub better work out or we're gonna look even more stupid than this franchise already does.
tulexan
08-09-2007, 06:01 PM
The contract he got still bugs me. Although i may think it's a bargain next year at this time. He should have at least played 1/2 a season for us before getting paid so much. I can understand why Shaub would want a fat contract 1st, especially with our offensive line. But would he really of refused to come here and start w/o a new contract? Players that threaten to hold out always end up caving in so they can get a paycheck. He was thinking he'd be backing up Vick again and not getting a single snap. At least playing for us he would be auditioning for every team? Tony Romo took Dallas to the playoffs and they still wouldn't even give him a contract extension because they want to see what he does this year. Shaub better work out or we're gonna look even more stupid than this franchise already does.
I don't think it was him so much refusing to come here without signing a new contract but instead the Texans worried that if he actually plays well and becomes a free agent next year, we won't be able to afford him or he could leave to a better team. To justify giving up what the Texans did, they had to sign him to a long term contract because it would be a PR nightmare if they gave all of those picks up and then he left after one season.
Shroopy2
08-10-2007, 03:11 AM
Rob Johnson 1st 3 Buffalo years:
1998 BUF 8 gm 67 com 107 att 62.6 pct 910 yds 8.5 ypa 8 TDS 3 INT 102.9 rtg
1999 BUF 2 gm 25 com 34 att 73.5 pct 298 yds 8.8 ypa 2 TD 0 INT 119.5 rtg
2000 BUF 12 gm 175 com 306 att 57.2 pct 2125 yds 6.9 ypa 12 TD 7 INT 82.2 rtg
Wondering what the heck they were complaining about in 1998? Must have been injuries along with his laid back demeanor compared with Flutie's fiery underdog let-me-at-em attitude. Or Johnson must have really been 2006 David Carr'ing his way to respectable on-paper stats but overall lack of on-field cohesion and team success. Cuz some of those numbers "extrapolated" would look like a piece of heaven dropped down from the sky in the form of Matt Schaub if he could replicate those over a full year.
arkoe
08-10-2007, 03:37 AM
I don't think it was him so much refusing to come here without signing a new contract but instead the Texans worried that if he actually plays well and becomes a free agent next year, we won't be able to afford him or he could leave to a better team. To justify giving up what the Texans did, they had to sign him to a long term contract because it would be a PR nightmare if they gave all of those picks up and then he left after one season.
Especially after sticking with Carr for so many years.
Colt45
08-10-2007, 08:42 AM
young really isn't an apt comparison; he wasn't a back-up when the niners dealt for him and had been a highly sought-after prospect in college - he would have been a top overall pick had he not first gone to the usfl.
Was just talking about Young and his USFL career the other day. Interesting story. Twenty-three years after the team (the Los Angeles Express) and league folded, Young is still, technically, being paid by the Express. He signed a 10-year, $40 million contract in 1984. However, he agreed to be paid $1 million a year through a 40-year annuity. He's gotten a million a year since '84 and will continue to receive it through 2023.
TheFranchiseReturns
08-10-2007, 11:28 AM
I heard Matt Schaub wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence
Yeah and I heard he ****s greatness
leroy420
08-10-2007, 11:40 AM
Was just talking about Young and his USFL career the other day. Interesting story. Twenty-three years after the team (the Los Angeles Express) and league folded, Young is still, technically, being paid by the Express. He signed a 10-year, $40 million contract in 1984. However, he agreed to be paid $1 million a year through a 40-year annuity. He's gotten a million a year since '84 and will continue to receive it through 2023.
Kind of shows how smart the guy is. That's some foward thinking that many athletes just don't have. No matter what happens to the guy, career wise, he's still got $16 million coming to him for something he did 23 years ago.
DonkeyMagic
08-10-2007, 11:41 AM
Yeah and I heard he ****s greatness
and burps leadership
RocketFan007
08-10-2007, 11:43 AM
Kind of shows how smart the guy is. That's some foward thinking that many athletes just don't have. No matter what happens to the guy, career wise, he's still got $16 million coming to him for something he did 23 years ago.
However if he would have gotten the money already and invested it properly, he'd have a lot more than he'll be getting for the next 17 years.
tulexan
08-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Yeah, $1 million per year for 40 years is probably worth nowhere near $40 million.
Assuming a 5% discount rate, the contract he signed was worth about $17 million in 1984.
tinman
08-10-2007, 02:05 PM
Anyone remember Scott Mitchell for the Lions?
He had some good games being Marino's backup, then the Lions signed him..
ah history.
pgabriel
08-10-2007, 02:10 PM
if we're gonna reference back up qbs who ended up being terrible starters, the list starts and ends with commander cody
Groogrux
08-10-2007, 02:16 PM
Anyone remember Scott Mitchell for the Lions?
He had some good games being Marino's backup, then the Lions signed him..
ah history.
Yeah, and in his first year as a Lion through 32 TDs, 12 INTs and 4300 yards. His next two seasons were definitely mediocre, but not exactly terrible.
conquistador#11
08-10-2007, 02:24 PM
tony romo is the current QB that i would compare Schaub with. Drew took sack after sack,held onto the ball way too much...then came romo with his quick decision making 'IQ ' and rejuvenated the trenches. But unlike Romo, Schaub can hold down a FG attempt. :) have faith!
tinman
08-10-2007, 02:39 PM
Yeah, and in his first year as a Lion through 32 TDs, 12 INTs and 4300 yards. His next two seasons were definitely mediocre, but not exactly terrible.
They had some dude named Barry Sanders.
I think he was pretty good.
rrj_gamz
08-10-2007, 02:50 PM
tony romo is the current QB that i would compare Schaub with. Drew took sack after sack,held onto the ball way too much...then came romo with his quick decision making 'IQ ' and rejuvenated the trenches. But unlike Romo, Schaub can hold down a FG attempt. :) have faith!
I was about to bring up the Romo reference, but a those are few and far between...Is Matt ready, i think so, but I only think he as to be mediocre to win over the fans...flillin Carr's shoes won't be so hard...
Groogrux
08-10-2007, 02:51 PM
They had some dude named Barry Sanders.
I think he was pretty good.
Really? I didn't know that! Doesn't change the fact that he had a pretty damn spectacular year.
Vernon Maxwell had a guy named Hakeem Olajuwon on his team.
They had some dude named Barry Sanders.
I think he was pretty good.
Barry threw for 4300 yards?
tinman
08-10-2007, 02:59 PM
Really? I didn't know that! Doesn't change the fact that he had a pretty damn spectacular year.
Vernon Maxwell had a guy named Hakeem Olajuwon on his team.
just making sure you remember that Barry guy. So you would be happy if Shaub=Scott Mitchell??!! Then great, I hope the Texans turn into the Detroit Lions.
Groogrux
08-10-2007, 03:02 PM
just making sure you remember that Barry guy. So you would be happy if Shaub=Scott Mitchell??!! Then great, I hope the Texans turn into the Detroit Lions.
If Schaub throws for 4300 yards, 32 TDs and only 12 INTs, you bet your ass every Texans fan will be extremely happy.
But if he turned into a wife beating, drug using kidnapper, you'd have his named tattooed on your ass.
tinman
08-10-2007, 03:05 PM
If Schaub throws for 4300 yards, 32 TDs and only 12 INTs, you bet your ass every Texans fan will be extremely happy.
But if he turned into a wife beating, drug using kidnapper, you'd have his named tattooed on your ass.
So did you get your WARREN MOON TATTOO removed yet?
:cool:
Mr. Clutch
08-10-2007, 03:07 PM
Dont forget that Schaub has a great # 2 receiver now:
KEVIN WALTER
DonnyMost
08-10-2007, 05:12 PM
LEADERSHIP PUNCH
macalu
08-11-2007, 01:45 PM
If Schaub throws for 4300 yards, 32 TDs and only 12 INTs, you bet your ass every Texans fan will be extremely happy.
But if he turned into a wife beating, drug using kidnapper, you'd have his named tattooed on your ass.
even superheroes have their faults. it's not like he went into the stands and...oh wait.
tinman
08-11-2007, 04:41 PM
even superheroes have their faults. it's not like he went into the stands and...oh wait.
Some people only want Superman,
I'm fine with WOLVERINE!!
http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/whatifwolverine/WOLVERINE_21image_big.jpg
bottlerocket
08-11-2007, 09:49 PM
When has SI been right about anything?
No Worries
08-12-2007, 07:21 AM
I don't think the writer was trying to make any specific point per se, merely pointing out the similarities between the two QB situations. Actually, Schaub probably won't be the problem if the offense falters - that blame will probably go to the OL which is still what I'd describe as less than stellar.
Blame should go on the OL but won't. See David "Three Step Drop" Carr.
MadMax
08-12-2007, 07:25 AM
Blame should go on the OL but won't. See David "Three Step Drop" Carr.
yeah, i never heard anyone blame the OL ever. it certainly has never been brought up here or in the media, local or national. no one ever made a commercial poking fun at how bad the Texans OL was.
DC was unfairly criticized. Free DC!! He's rad!
juicystream
08-12-2007, 11:42 AM
What will it take for Texans fans to be happy with Matt Schaub? Will it take wins or numbers?
Carr's numbers weren't that bad last year, but the team wasn't any good. I just don't see how Schaub is any better than Carr in terms of numbers, but the team could be better.
Carr's numbers weren't that bad last year, but the team wasn't any good. I just don't see how Schaub is any better than Carr in terms of numbers, but the team could be better.
The thing with Schaub is that he was actually allowed to develop the necessary skills an NFL QB must have, without having to run from his life due to a decrepit offensive line.
We'll never known if Carr could have developed into a star had he been placed on a team that wasn't as defecient as the Texans... there's still a good chance that he wouldn't have been great, but I don't think anybody is arguing that Carr wouldn't have at least been better off learning how to play the position with a functional o-line/team in place.
But, after 5 years of the o-line/team being sorry... Carr was beyond damaged goods. Schaub doesn't have that wear on him... and can give this team a chance to win games even if the line is still sorry (which it is).
Schaub may or may not turn out to be bust, but the Rob Johnson comparison is stupid. Do these writers actually consider the type of QBs they are before comparing them?
Johnson failed in the NFL for two reasons. One, he lacks pocket awareness and won't release the ball quickly enough, resulting in lots of avoidable sacks. Two, the guy can't stay healthy, partly due to all the sacks he's taken. Otherwise, Johnson's actually pretty good. He's accurate, he can read coverage. He has a good arm. It's just that his inability to to throw the ball away when things go bad that soured his career.
By all account, Schaub has great pocket presence and knows how to move around. As for the injury problem, it's something NO ONE has a clear notion of until we see Schaub play extensively. Schuab just may turn out to be a bust. But I have a hard time believing he'd fail in the same manner as Rob Johnson.
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