Biggio or Bagwell?

[RedRaiderRocket]

Now that the Biggio and Bagwell era is unfortunately completly coming to an end who was your favorite face of the franchise?

[Rowdie Brandon]

in his prime you'd probably say bagwell, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut overall I say Biggio.....the thing about it is you really can't separate one from the other......it's kind of like Stockton and Malone, except people actually liked them.

[Akhorahil]

Neither are actually one of my favorite Astros though. Mike Scott is my favorite.

[SwoLy-D]

Neither are actually one of my favorite Astros though. Mike Scott is my favorite.:rolleyes:

So... which one do you prefer if Mike Scott didn't exist? SUPPOSING... supposing... ?

I voted Bagwell, btw.

[WallofYao]

Bagwell of course, loved that guy. Sad ending to his career. :(

[weslinder]

If I had to pick, I've got to go with the dirty jersey over the scary goatee, but really both were amazing.

[Miguel]

That's like picking your favorite out of your children.

There is no answer.

[Hottoddie]

That's like picking your favorite out of your children.

There is no answer.

We have a winner. I couldn't vote for one over the other either.

[hoopgod13]

voted for baggy.....but moises alou is my fav astro.

[Akhorahil]

:rolleyes:

So... which one do you prefer if Mike Scott didn't exist? SUPPOSING... supposing... ?

I voted Bagwell, btw.

Brandon Duckworth. lol jk

I voted for Biggio. I forgot to put that in there. I picked Biggio over Bags because he played all over the field to the best of his ability everyday. That's my kind of guy. I mean he doesn't stop even when the play is over or he knows he's not in the play.

Heck I saw him hold a runner and he didn't even have the ball. The ball was in the outfield but he faked the runner out with body language. It was a beautiful thing.

[BigM]

in their primes bagwell was my favorite.

[ROXRAN]

Biggio's best year versus Bagwell's best year...If you had to take only one for this year which one and in what year (for stat reference)?

To me it goes to Biggio in 1998:
.325 average, 50 SB, 51 Doubles, 20 Homers

[BigM]

Biggio's best year versus Bagwell's best year...If you had to take only one for this year which one and in what year (for stat reference)?


bagwell's mvp season was ridiculous.

[ROXRAN]

bagwell's mvp season was ridiculous.

True, Bagwell's 1994 year of a .368 average, 39 Homers, and 116 RBI was crazy..But I'd still take a 1998 Biggio over that because except for average,...Carlos Lee is pretty much at the HR, and RBI #'s, and what would better balance this years' team was the best year and everything involved from Biggio over Bagwell's best year...

IMHO...The whole notion is silly but it gives a new angle on whether you would pick one over the other...

[Kerfeld]

I cant pick. Biggio and Bagwell. Bagwell and Biggio. They are the Astros.

[Groogrux]

bagwell's mvp season was ridiculous.

It was since the strike happened, but since he got hurt right before it, I have to give Biggio's 98 season my vote.

Between the two of them, it's impossible. I just consider myself lucky that I was able to root for both of them for so long and in one uniform.

[kaleidosky]

True, Bagwell's 1994 year of a .368 average, 39 Homers, and 116 RBI was crazy..But I'd still take a 1998 Biggio over that because except for average,...Carlos Lee is pretty much at the HR, and RBI #'s, and what would better balance this years' team was the best year and everything involved from Biggio over Bagwell's best year...

IMHO...The whole notion is silly but it gives a new angle on whether you would pick one over the other...
don't say Carlos Lee is at the HR and RBI's.. you're forgetting how many games were played!

Although he did break his hand there before the end of the season.. so he likely would have only come back for the last month (or so) anyway. But still, since that didn't happen, we can extrapolate to 162 games right? ;)

[MadMax]

Biggio's 1998 was remarkable because it was so rare. Because only once before in the history of the game had someone hit 50 doubles and stole 50 bases. It seemed like when Biggio scored, they won...when he didn't, they didn't. He played 2B very well and was just a fantastic leadoff hitter.

[Hammer755]

I like Biggio a lot, but Bagwell was a much better player, IMO. Bagwell's last season was the only one of his career that can be considered below-average, and his 1994 was one of the greatest single seasons of all-time. Biggio is one of the best second basemen of all-time, but he was basically just an average player for the last 8 years of his career.

Bagwell's numbers are even more impressive when you consider that he played in one of the most extreme pitcher's parks in MLB history. Of course Biggio played in the same park over the same period, but to me his gap power was actually aided by the dimensions of the dome since there was so much room for outfielders to cover.

[SamCassell]

Bagwell's MVP year was amazing. .370 Average, .750 slugging, .450 OBP... he was far better, that year, than anyone in baseball. He was the unanimous MVP - only the 4th time in history that's happened. I don't think you can second-guess the strike or what would have happened had the players kept playing. The fact is that, while the season was ongoing, Bags had a truly historic, Ruthian season, and nobody came anywhere close to his production that year.

Biggio's 50/50 season was awesome, but he wasn't even necessarily the best player on his team. Moises Alou had a phenomenal season, Bagwell had a very solid year. Alou actually outpolled Biggio in the MVP vote that year, finishing 3rd to Biggio's 5th. I mean, Craig was great that year, but his greatness is more like Don Sutton, a great career, a hall of fame career based on longevity, but never a single season when he was the best in the league.

[JaWindex]

Bagwell's MVP year was amazing. .370 Average, .750 slugging, .450 OBP... he was far better, that year, than anyone in baseball. He was the unanimous MVP - only the 4th time in history that's happened. I don't think you can second-guess the strike or what would have happened had the players kept playing. The fact is that, while the season was ongoing, Bags had a truly historic, Ruthian season, and nobody came anywhere close to his production that year.

Frank Thomas?

[SamCassell]

Frank Thomas?
I wasn't counting the junior circuit. I'd take Bag's numbers over the Big Hurt because he was doing it in the Dome instead of New Comiskey, but both guys had amazing seasons.

[shawn786]

Bag's no doubt

[Hammer755]

I wasn't counting the junior circuit. I'd take Bag's numbers over the Big Hurt because he was doing it in the Dome instead of New Comiskey, but both guys had amazing seasons.

Their seasons were incredibly similar. Thomas put up better raw stats, but new Comiskey is by no means a hitter's park, so when you correct the stats for league and park effects, they turn out to be almost identical.

[SamCassell]

Their seasons were incredibly similar. Thomas put up better raw stats, but new Comiskey is by no means a hitter's park, so when you correct the stats for league and park effects, they turn out to be almost identical.
New Comiskey has consistantly been a below average park for lefties, but it's neutral for righthanders, like Thomas. The Dome was always a pitcher's park, though less extreme in the mid-90s than it was in the 80s. As you said, their seasons were very similar (as were their careers until Jeff's injury), but I'd give the edge to Bags based on his superior defense and the negative influence of the Dome on righthanded power hitters (and just hitters in general).

[BigM]

i like bagwell in 94 because following him that season is still more vivid in my mind than watching biggio in '98.

i just remember watching him and thinking this is the best player i've ever seen in my life. i was wrong but he was still amazing. biggio too, but bagwell will always have just the slightest edge in my book.

[texanskan]

i like bagwell in 94 because following him that season is still more vivid in my mind than watching biggio in '98.

i just remember watching him and thinking this is the best player i've ever seen in my life. i was wrong but he was still amazing. biggio too, but bagwell will always have just the slightest edge in my book.

IMO, the 98 Biggio season will always stand out because that was the greatest Astros regular season ever and to see 50-50 along with the Unit going 10-1 and the Stros winning over 100 games trumps the strike year in which Bags broke his hand anyway and would of not played again.

It's real close but the memory of the strike and my personal belief Jeff was taking winstrol (I have no proof) and Biggio was clean (also no proof)

[BigM]

IMO, the 98 Biggio season will always stand out because that was the greatest Astros regular season ever and to see 50-50 along with the Unit going 10-1 and the Stros winning over 100 games trumps the strike year in which Bags broke his hand anyway and would of not played again.

It's real close but the memory of the strike and my personal belief Jeff was taking winstrol (I have no proof) and Biggio was clean (also no proof)


yeah the 98 season was the greatest regular season in astros history. maybe our best team ever. i know we've talked about nothing being as good as seeing johnson in a fully packed dome. 94 is nowhere close to that.

but that is exactly why, individually speaking, bagwell's 94 is more memorable to me than biggio's 98. there was so much going on in 98 that craig kind of got overshadowed. bagwell had zero competition for attention that year.

[texanskan]

yeah the 98 season was the greatest regular season in astros history. maybe our best team ever. i know we've talked about nothing being as good as seeing johnson in a fully packed dome. 94 is nowhere close to that.

but that is exactly why, individually speaking, bagwell's 94 is more memorable to me than biggio's 98. there was so much going on in 98 that craig kind of got overshadowed. bagwell had zero competition for attention that year.

Well Bagwell's 94 was overshadowed by the strike but I see what your saying. Still Biggio in 98 really stands out to me just like Beltran in the 2004 playoffs. Yeah the Unit was bringing it every 5th day but Biggio was bringing it every night the heart and soul of that team. In the 2004 playoffs Berkman was bringing it by putting up just sick numbers but Beltran was just that much better.

I think 94 was so great (until they stopped playing) because we had this guy who we knew was good just dominate like we have never seen an Astro dominate and we were in the race for the first time in years.

[blathersby]

I have always been a Biggs over Bags fan. I remember being so enamored by Biggs' speed as a kid.

[Tb-Cain]

Spiers. No question.

Given a choice between Bags of Bigg, though, Bigg.

It's tough to get past Bags ridiculous batting stance and annoying habit of getting his hand broke.