I hate the Spurs, do you?

[tinman]

Another sad day in history where a Texas NBA team not named the Houston Rockets makes it to the NBA Finals.

Oh the days of glory were gone. Spurs fans can now yack this dumb mouths off while we can do nothing, but cling onto the past of glory, when Dream was a reality for us and a nightmare for the Spurs.

God what have we done to deserve this? Do you hate us? is it Les Alexander? San Antonio is a crap city God, they don't deserve anything. Why can you move them to Montana or Kansas?

We the Rockets were not floppers when we were champs. I never thought in a million years that I would say, I'd rather root for the Lakers than the Spurs. Have you no mercy on us??!!!

[Stack24]

I would go as far as to say i would root for the Lakers..but yeah i hate the spurs and any other team that is not named the Rockets.

I am tired of this BS people are saying "we are in texas and we should root for a texas team to win"

MY A S S....i will not root for any damn team other than my home team...

[tinman]

I would go as far as to say i would root for the Lakers..but yeah i hate the spurs and any other team that is not named the Rockets.

I am tired of this BS people are saying "we are in texas and we should root for a texas team to win"

MY A S S....i will not root for any damn team other than my home team...

in college the Spurs fans in my dorm were always saying how much better Robinson was than Dream.Then Dream whooped his azz. Then they claim the Dreamshake was traveling.Then I gloated about our 2 championships.

Thank god i never have to see those guys again. They'd lay it on me about the Spurs of now.

Thanks Les. Thanks for letting Cuban and whomever owns the Spurs (HEB? Lone Star Beer? Davey Crockett?) get past us.

Instate rivalry is the most heated cause you see these people all the time. Its not like we see Utah fans all over Texas.

[Achilleus]

I dislike the Spurs more than any other team in basketball. Their western conference championship is tainted because of the way the league destroyed the Suns' chances of winning.

Bruce Bowen is the dirtiest player in the NBA.

Manu Ginobili flops more than any player in the NBA.

Tim Duncan whines far too much to be considered "classy."

Tony Parker is a terrible rapper.

San Antonio people...



The Spurs will never win championships in consecutive years.

[Shroopy2]

I used to live in St. Croix where Tim Duncan is from and followed some of his college career at Wake Forest. Just talked to my uncle the other day who's over there still and its Timmy mania again. And I liked the city the couple times I've visited. So naturally I'd pull for the Spurs...NOPE, HELL NAW

There's only ONE basketball team in Texas I can root for. The Rockets had the initial stronghold on basketball matters in the state. And its been TOO long since the last bit of success for the rightful franchise in Houston. The Spurs is one of the teams in the Rockets quest back to the top spot that they need to TAKE DOWN. Not root for, screw that.

[ccjj]

I don't hate them before this playoff but I hate them now. They are dirty and no sportmanship.

[angryman]

Today is a sad day. I hate spurs much more than the jazz. Everyone knows jazz is dirty and even their fans admit that. BUT spurs fans think that are classy and bowen plays clean, hard nose defense. They are living in another dimension called denial.

Bowen and Mr. Flopper should be banned from basketball. They destroy people's careers by cheap shots like undercutting and flopping.

I think I should stop here, I don't want to sound like a whiner aka Mr. Duncan.

PLEASE, Pistons or Cavs, destroy them.

[Ziggy]

I respect the Spurs. They paid their dues to get where they are. They are a classy organization with excellent management, coaching and hard working players who always play with passion.

I have had good experience with their fans. For the most part they are humble and knowledgeable. They know the teams history and obviously watch the games and follow the team for more reasons than Eva Langoria.

The Mavs on the other hand... Horrible unintelligent fans who compliment a whiny and unintelligent owner (bball wise). Who somehow lets Steve Nash walk but paid for Dampier, Walker, Howard, etc... Whoever does the Mavericks draft scouting is saving Cubes ass. The fans have no clue about their history, no clue Dirk can't lead them, no clue about the NBA, and no clue how to act classy at a game. I have seen Red Rowdies humorously jab at visiting Mavies only to have the Mavies retaliate with excessive anger. Then we just point to the banners...

But anyways. Spurs are okay with me. But death to the Jazz, Mavs, Braves, Red Raiders, and Cowboys.

[StupidMoniker]

Nope. I hate the Jazz. I hate the Kobes. I dislike the Kings (a product of living here). All the other non-Rockets teams I am pretty indifferent toward. If anything, I like the Spurs more than most teams because of Timmy D and their defense first style.

[TBar]

Nope. I hate the Jazz. I hate the Kobes. I dislike the Kings (a product of living here). All the other non-Rockets teams I am pretty indifferent toward. If anything, I like the Spurs more than most teams because of Timmy D and their defense first style.

I really like and respect Tim Duncan- classy player. I have to work with 4 die hard Spurs fans. They will go on and on about Bowen being tough-not dirty....They rub it in pretty bad-but they are nowhere near as a bad as Dallas or Utah fans....

[Raven Lunatic]

I will root for ANYONE against the ****ing Jazz. So no, I don't hate the Spurs right now.

[xomox]

i hate the spurs because they are the only team that will and that is allowed to use flopping to change the outcome of a game. i think the refs are told to show them much love.

and for the record, i respect the jazz. no sht talkers or head cases. deron williams seems cocky but he really isn't an ass about it.

[fadeaway]

I have hated the Spurs ever since Duncan turned into a big baby.

I don't hate the current Jazz. That hatred faded when Stockton/Malone retired.

[AroundTheWorld]

de nile = river in da egypt

[AB]

Oh the days of glory were gone. Spurs fans can now yack this dumb mouths off while we can do nothing, but cling onto the past of glory, when Dream was a reality for us and a nightmare for the Spurs.


We are still the only team in texas to have back-to-back championships :)

[superfob]

I will root for ANYONE against the ****ing Jazz. So no, I don't hate the Spurs right now.

Same opinion, I hate the Jazz more. Having said that, go Detriot!

[updawg]

nothing good could have come out of this series. It was a nightmare from the beginning.
Will be rooting for the East this year.

[Sextuple Double]

I used to live in St. Croix where Tim Duncan is from and followed some of his college career at Wake Forest. Just talked to my uncle the other day who's over there still and its Timmy mania again. And I liked the city the couple times I've visited. So naturally I'd pull for the Spurs...

....NOPE, HELL NAW

There's only ONE basketball team in Texas I can root for. The Rockets had the initial stronghold on basketball matters in the state. And its been TOO long since the last bit of success for the rightful franchise in Houston. The Spurs is one of the teams in the Rockets quest back to the top spot that they need to TAKE DOWN. Not root for, screw that.

Same here, I grew up there and its been the only home I knew. But you now what:

F*** THE SPURS

Never liked that franchise from the time I started watching basketball and they had those fruity colors in their logo. But the sad realization is the Spurs are gonna win it all. I knew it from the time we got eliminated, we were the only other than Dallas that could go toe to toe with them in a 7 game series. We just match up well with them.

[Space Ghost]

Where is the texas pride? All i see is texas bitterness. I would never go for a lEastern conference team or even half of the western conference teams

[emjohn]

Can't say that I actually hate them. But I was a proud member of the caravan that invaded their arena this year, along with tinman. I don't root for them, but my hate is reserved for other teams, such as the Jazz and Fakers.

Duncan's alright. Can't hate on that, aside from the bug eyes. Bowen and Ginobili need to get hit by a bus, though, for the good of the game.

Evan

[JuanValdez]

The Spurs are probably my #2 team after the Rockets, for the sake of Texas pride. But, after Horry put that dirty hit on Nash, I was rooting for the Suns. Of course, somehow when the Spurs and the Jazz squared off, I had to shake that off, because there is no way I can root for a team that just eliminated the Rockets. I may be pulling for the EC Champ this year though.

[count_dough-ku]

Absolutely I hate them. But until this season I at least could admit to respecting them. Not anymore though.

We always knew that Bowen was dirty, but he took things to another level in the Phoenix series. Two straight games he took cheap shots at Amare and Nash. And the league does nothing besides assess a retroactive flagrant foul which means the Suns didn't even get the 2 extra free throw attempts they should've had in the game.

Tim Duncan's been a whiny bitch for years now, but at least he's not dirty so I can still respect him.

Tony Parker might be a bad rapper and engaged to a racist, stuck up b-tch, but he doesn't do anything cheap or dirty out there.

Manu Ginobli is the poster child for everything that's wrong in the NBA today(on the court at least). Flopping is killing the game. Basketball should be about trying to put the ball in the basket, not about baiting the referees. That 4th quarter in Game 4 of the Jazz-Spurs series was literally unwatchable. I've never seen a more pathetic display in the NBA outside of the Detroit-Indiana brawl from 2004.

And the true indictment of the Spurs organization is to witness what Robert Horry has become since joining that team. A player once known for hitting big shots and winning titles has been reduced to a cheap shot artist. He single-handedly won the Phoenix series for San Antonio by baiting Amare and Boris Diaw when he took out Nash. And his cheap play continued in the Utah series with blatant flopping that would impress even Manu.

[Rockets2K]

Where is the texas pride? All i see is texas bitterness. I would never go for a lEastern conference team or even half of the western conference teams


agreed

I am not "rooting" for anyone, but if ya asked me who I prefer wins the Finals, I go with the Texan team over some eastern team from Cleveland or Detroit.

I have alot of trouble saying Dallas since I really dont particularly like the city or the team...but SA is definitely the lesser of two evils if ya ask me.

Crucify me if you wish....but Im a Houstonian first, a Texan second.

being a Texan used to mean something to the people who live here...I guess not as much anymore.

[macalu]

tinman,

for once, we agree on something. :)

[Manny Ramirez]

I absolutely detest the Spurs, maybe even more than I do with the Jazz. The only good thing that can come out of this is that if the Sperms win the Championship, it will be their 2nd one marked with a gigantic "*".

Don't like it?? Then quit playing like a bunch of cheap shot artists and win the game in an honorable fashion. The way they won that series against the Suns was bush and they know it.

[macalu]

Where is the texas pride? All i see is texas bitterness. I would never go for a lEastern conference team or even half of the western conference teams

since when is San Antonio or Dallas considered part of Texas?


;)

[Achilleus]

Where is the texas pride? All i see is texas bitterness. I would never go for a lEastern conference team or even half of the western conference teams

Who cares if they're in Texas? David Koresh and the Branch Davidians were in Texas. I didn't cheer for them, either.

[macalu]

I absolutely detest the Spurs, maybe even more than I do with the Jazz. The only good thing that can come out of this is that if the Sperms win the Championship, it will be their 2nd one marked with a gigantic "*".

Don't like it?? Then quit playing like a bunch of cheap shot artists and win the game in an honorable fashion. The way they won that series against the Suns was bush and they know it.

i hate the Spurs as much as the next guy, but this asterisk thing is lame. People like to put asterisks next to our championships b/c Jordan wasn't in the league. How do you defend that?

[George Gervin]

Absolutely I hate them. But until this season I at least could admit to respecting them. Not anymore though.

We always knew that Bowen was dirty, but he took things to another level in the Phoenix series. Two straight games he took cheap shots at Amare and Nash. And the league does nothing besides assess a retroactive flagrant foul which means the Suns didn't even get the 2 extra free throw attempts they should've had in the game.

Tim Duncan's been a whiny bitch for years now, but at least he's not dirty so I can still respect him.

Tony Parker might be a bad rapper and engaged to a racist, stuck up b-tch, but he doesn't do anything cheap or dirty out there.

Manu Ginobli is the poster child for everything that's wrong in the NBA today(on the court at least). Flopping is killing the game. Basketball should be about trying to put the ball in the basket, not about baiting the referees. That 4th quarter in Game 4 of the Jazz-Spurs series was literally unwatchable. I've never seen a more pathetic display in the NBA outside of the Detroit-Indiana brawl from 2004.

And the true indictment of the Spurs organization is to witness what Robert Horry has become since joining that team. A player once known for hitting big shots and winning titles has been reduced to a cheap shot artist. He single-handedly won the Phoenix series for San Antonio by baiting Amare and Boris Diaw when he took out Nash. And his cheap play continued in the Utah series with blatant flopping that would impress even Manu.

I didn't realize Ginobili was the only flopper in the league. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say all floppers are killing the game. Funny how you complaion about the game 4 refs but Slaon didnt nor did his players but I guess you know much more than they did. Even the Utah media blamed the jazz and not the Spurs but again you must know more than everyone else. You complain about Horry's shot on nash? Didn't you read that Horry said he would do it again? It's the playoffs man! And please stop blaming Horry for Amare and Diaw breaking the rules. 10 out of 12 guys managed to stay on the bench yet it's Rob's fault. As far as bowen goes if he is as 'dirty' as you say he is why hasn't he been suspended once by the league? There sure has been lots of maoning about his play yet not one suspension. I guess the league wants the Spurs to succeed so much they look the other why a role player looks to go out and hurt all of the league's marquee players.. just admit you don't like the Spurs. it's ok man to but to spout your nonsense is demeaning to common sense.

[Achilleus]

i hate the Spurs as much as the next guy, but this asterisk thing is lame. People like to put asterisks next to our championships b/c Jordan wasn't in the league. How do you defend that?

Two different situations. Besides, Jordan was in the league for the second championship, so that doesn't even make sense.

[George Gervin]

I absolutely detest the Spurs, maybe even more than I do with the Jazz. The only good thing that can come out of this is that if the Sperms win the Championship, it will be their 2nd one marked with a gigantic "*".

Don't like it?? Then quit playing like a bunch of cheap shot artists and win the game in an honorable fashion. The way they won that series against the Suns was bush and they know it.


So were the 3 wins against the total Suns team bush?

[Manny Ramirez]

i hate the Spurs as much as the next guy, but this asterisk thing is lame. People like to put asterisks next to our championships b/c Jordan wasn't in the league. How do you defend that?

Easy - we won games fair and square and didn't resort to thuggish and cheapass tactics. Plus the 2nd year we won it, Jordan was in the league (he just didn't start the season with the Bulls), so I always laugh when I hear that BS. That is like Celtics fans saying that every championship team past '69 has an asterik besides their title since "Bill Russell was no longer playing". Please...

But there is NO denying that what cheapshot Horry did to Nash irrevocably changed that series and dumbasses Stern and Jackson rewarded it. So, yes - count on seeing a gigantic "*" besides the words, "2006-2007 NBA Champions".

[Rockets2K]

Two different situations. Besides, Jordan was in the league for the second championship, so that doesn't even make sense.


The Jordan fans say it counts cause Jordan was shaking the rust off and wasnt 100%

btw...nice strawman argument with Koresh there...as you say...that doesnt even make sense.

[TMac#1]

I hate the Spurs much more than I hate the Jazz or Mavs. I was rooting for the Jazz this yr, and was glad Dallas beat them last yr. And it sucks to know they are gonna get another ring, dirty euro flopper a-holes. Especially Manu, I CAN'T STAND that bastard.

[GRENDAL]

Texas pride, please!

Go Piston or Cavs!

[George Gervin]

Easy - we won games fair and square and didn't resort to thuggish and cheapass tactics. Plus the 2nd year we won it, Jordan was in the league (he just didn't start the season with the Bulls), so I always laugh when I hear that BS. That is like Celtics fans saying that every championship team past '69 has an asterik besides their title since "Bill Russell was no longer playing". Please...

But there is NO denying that what cheapshot Horry did to Nash irrevocably changed that series and dumbasses Stern and Jackson rewarded it. So, yes - count on seeing a gigantic "*" besides the words, "2006-2007 NBA Champions".


:o yawn.. I wonder if there will be an * on the banner...

[Achilleus]

btw...nice strawman argument with Koresh there...as you say...that doesnt even make sense.

That was a joke... But I'm glad you got in "strawman argument" today... Hopefully, we can find a place for another cliche', like "red herring..."

...

:cool:

[Manny Ramirez]

So were the 3 wins against the total Suns team bush?
Well your team didn't win 4 against the total Suns team now, did they?

NBA playoffs are all about momentum - and the Suns had just recaptured the momentum by winning Game 4 in SA and regaining HCA. And thanks to the lobotimized David Stern and Stu Jackson, that HCA became null and void. If you think Game 5, in Phoenix, with a full Suns team would have turned out the same as it did without Stoudemire and Diaw, then I don't know what to tell you. That series would have definitely gone 7 and I would have liked the Suns chances a lot of winning at home for Game 7.

But hey keep deluding yourself that the Spurs were the better team and that this championship of theirs is a legitimate one.

[hooi]

I don't hate the Spurs. The Spurs are the heirs to the Rocket's back to back championships. It was our Elie and Horry that toughened them up to the dynasty that they are today. To hate them would be to hate our championship team.

What I really hate is our own inept scouting and drafting since the end of our championship days.

[macalu]

Two different situations. Besides, Jordan was in the league for the second championship, so that doesn't even make sense.

my point is if it were the Rockets and somehow they got the opponent's 2 pivotal players suspended and advanced as a result, you'd be trying your damnest to prove why there SHOULDN'T be an asterisk. it's all perspective. you can talk yourself in believing whatever you want about the Rockets championship, but in everyone outside of Houston eyes, they are "tainted".

[ima_drummer2k]

I used to respect the spurs because they so closely resembled our championship teams, even having Mario Elie. I lost that respect this year when I saw how dirty they are now.

It's a shame, but I'm afraid we as Rocket fans have been reduced to talking about the "good ol' days" much like Celtic, Sixer, and Laker fans. We haven't mattered in 10 years. That makes me sick to my stomach.

As far as the "Texas pride" thing, that's great for college sports (I pull for all Texas colleges over all non-Texas colleges) but not professional sports.

[texanskan]

I used to respect the spurs because they so closely resembled our championship teams, even having Mario Elie. I lost that respect this year when I saw how dirty they are now.

It's a shame, but I'm afraid we as Rocket fans have been reduced to talking about the "good ol' days" much like Celtic, Sixer, and Laker fans. We haven't mattered in 10 years. That makes me sick to my stomach.

As far as the "Texas pride" thing, that's great for college sports but not professional sports.

agree with all points, as far as the Spurs go... see my sig

[durvasa]

Bruce Bowen and Manu Ginobili can be annoying wiht their antics, but for the most part I love their team. Great balance on both ends of the court; intelligent, high IQ players. And there isn't a player in the league who's game I admire more than Tim Duncan. They just play great basketball.

And the charge that they whine a lot is silly. Every good team whines (Detroit Pistons?); people are just looking for a reason to hate on the Spurs because they win so much.

[jo mama]

ive always respected the spurs as a team, duncan and their coach - i thought they were one of the classier franchises around. ive never rooted for them, but ive never had a problem w/ them either.

but after this year i no longer think that. i hate to admit it, but right now i hate them more than the jazz (if i am banned for this i understand). the horry cheap shot and bowen going out and intentionally trying to hurt people were the final straw - there should be an asterix next to this championship - they dont deserve it - it is tainted b/c of the horry cheap shot and ensuing b.s. suspensions.

i hate how whenever you bring up bowen people just say "oh, he plays hard and thats why you dont like him". that is not the case at all - i respect hard play, but bowen is dirty - there is a difference - if you go out and intentionally try to hurt people you are not playing "hard" - you are playing like a dirty little bitch, and that is what bowen is. i hate to see that kind of crap get rewarded - he should be kicked out of the league - there is no denying that he goes out and intentionally tries to hurt people - the proof is in the barrage of injuries he has caused to others. he is the new karl malone. my hatred for the jazz was primarily based on the fact that they would go out and intentionally try to hurt people and that is what bowen does.

and ive never cared for spurs fans. they are the most unknowledgeable basketball fans around. they constantly whine about every little thing, especially their perception that they never get any national attention or respect. and they have no objectivity - their sports radio commentators said that ginobili and parker were top 8 mvp candidates. they can never admit when they loose to a better team - as far as the average spurs fan is concerned, they only loose because they beat themselves.

despite the fact that national polls show the vast majority to think bowen is dirty, the spurs fans who call into the talk shows overwhelmingly say he isnt and whenever one of the more objective fans calls in and says that he is sometimes dirty or does indeed engage in cheap shots the commentators either jump all over them or play a prerecorded tape of a baby crying.

[Achilleus]

my point is if it were the Rockets and somehow they got the opponent's 2 pivotal players suspended and advanced as a result, you'd be trying your damnest to prove why there SHOULDN'T be an asterisk. it's all perspective. you can talk yourself in believing whatever you want about the Rockets championship, but in everyone outside of Houston eyes, they are "tainted".

The Rockets were not in a situation where two players for an opponent's team were thrown out of a pivotal game five, however. If they were I'm sure I would try to rationalize it, but I would be wrong.

In 1999 there were was a shortened season. The Rockets didn't win a championship in a shortened season.

The Rockets won two championships in two 82 game seasons, and didn't catch a break in any of their series thanks to an arbitrary and stupid rule. Michael Jordan played in 1995 and was defeated in six games by the team the Rockets swept.

If someone wants to think the Rockets championships were "tainted," that's fine, but they would be wrong...or at least would not have as much to base that conclusion on as you can in 1999 and this year.

[jo mama]

I have had good experience with their fans. For the most part they are humble and knowledgeable. They know the teams history and obviously watch the games and follow the team for more reasons than Eva Langoria.


actually, "humble" and "knowledgeable" would be two of the absolute LAST words i would use to describe the average spurs fan. most spurs fans didnt watch basketball until they won their first title and they have very little knowledge of the game or the nba - just listen to 790 next time you are in town - their fans are morons.

when they traded tim duncans overpaid backup (malik rose) for a starting center people were actually calling in crying and saying that they were going to return their season tickets - that the spurs management were classless backstabbers - pop had to come on both 790 and 1200 to take calls from fans - i think ownership made him do it - he is a no nonsense guy and was clearly agitated w/ having to explain to all those dumbasses that if you can trade a little used backup for a starter, you do it.

[The Cat]

I absolutely detest the Spurs, maybe even more than I do with the Jazz. The only good thing that can come out of this is that if the Sperms win the Championship, it will be their 2nd one marked with a gigantic "*".

Don't like it?? Then quit playing like a bunch of cheap shot artists and win the game in an honorable fashion. The way they won that series against the Suns was bush and they know it.

http://www.nba.com/history/finals/champions.html

There's the official list of champions from the NBA... I'm not seeing a *. :p

If you're talking about majority opinion, we'll see... but I'm not sure someone who started their post with "I absolutely detest the Spurs" is in a position of objectivity to make that judgment. For what it's worth, I seem to remember a year-and-a-half ago you assuring us that the Steelers' Super Bowl win would go in the books as tainted and not legitimate because of officiating gripes, but if you've watched the reaction since that point, it hasn't happened that way.

[Manny Ramirez]

Cat,

I'm not going to get into a discussion or argument with you about the Sperms because your Sperm homerism is very well-documented here. I will only ask you one question:

Is Bruce Bowen dirty or not? Explain your answer. Thanks.

[The Cat]

Plus the 2nd year we won it, Jordan was in the league (he just didn't start the season with the Bulls), so I always laugh when I hear that BS.

See, this is embarassing. And I'm not picking on you, Manny — lots of Rockets fans use this logic. And I completely agree with you as it pertains to MJ!

However, you can't use this logic and turn around and claim the 1999 Spurs title is tainted. It's the same principle, yet you're contradicting yourself based on your biases. Jordan didn't start the season, but he did finish it, and he was completely healthy and ready for the playoffs, which were the same length as always. He/the Bulls just got beat, and the Rockets beat the team that beat Chicago.

Sound familiar? The Spurs didn't start on time in 1999, much like Jordan didn't, but they finished the season and went through the identical postseason format. If you're going to say 1999 wasn't a fair representation because teams didn't have 82 games of the regular season (personally, I don't think it matters), how can you turn around and use the "Jordan was in the league" logic when he was only in it for about 15 games?

The thing about 1999... I lurked here and on other boards. Games were sold out across the league for contenders - actually, to a greater extent (percentage-wise) than they are today! Interest in this town was through the roof after the Pippen signing. If fans understood that season was tainted, why did anyone care at all, much less enough to spend significant money? Why didn't fans talk about the * before the season?

It's simple — no one breathed the * until a team they didn't like won, then they used it as an excuse to make themselves feel better. But we're better than that.

[The Cat]

Cat,

I'm not going to get into a discussion or argument with you about the Sperms because your Sperm homerism is very well-documented here. I will only ask you one question:

Is Bruce Bowen dirty or not? Explain your answer. Thanks.

You're kidding, right? You won't as much as engage in a discussion with me about the Spurs because I'm a fan (in your mind, clouding me from making an objective judgment). Yet, you expect your argument to be taken seriously, when you prefaced it with "I absolutely detest the Spurs"? It's the exact same principle that you're using to discredit me, just the other direction!

[MR. MEOWGI]

Another sad day in history where a Texas NBA team not named the Houston Rockets makes it to the NBA Finals.

Oh the days of glory were gone. Spurs fans can now yack this dumb mouths off while we can do nothing, but cling onto the past of glory, when Dream was a reality for us and a nightmare for the Spurs.

God what have we done to deserve this? Do you hate us? is it Les Alexander? San Antonio is a crap city God, they don't deserve anything. Why can you move them to Montana or Kansas?

We the Rockets were not floppers when we were champs. I never thought in a million years that I would say, I'd rather root for the Lakers than the Spurs. Have you no mercy on us??!!!

You can not live in Austin, home of Spurs and Titan fans.

[Manny Ramirez]

You're kidding, right? You won't as much as engage in a discussion with me about the Spurs because I'm a fan (in your mind, clouding me from making an objective judgment). Yet, you expect your argument to be taken seriously, when you prefaced it with "I absolutely detest the Spurs"? It's the exact same principle that you're using to discredit me, just the other direction!

So, in other words, you can't defend Bowen and his actions - that's what I thought. Thanks.

[ooliverb1]

Normally I dislike Suns, Spurs, but I hate Jazz more than any team right now.

[George Gervin]

So, in other words, you can't defend Bowen and his actions - that's what I thought. Thanks.


Well let's take the opnion of one the most revered former Rockets.. fair enough? Someone we all respect and admire..Mario Elie.. many times people have called in (including myself) to 610 on Wednesdays and asked him if bruce was a dirty player. Each time mario responded no... there you go manny

[HillBoy]

Another sad day in history where a Texas NBA team not named the Houston Rockets makes it to the NBA Finals.

Oh the days of glory were gone. Spurs fans can now yack this dumb mouths off while we can do nothing, but cling onto the past of glory, when Dream was a reality for us and a nightmare for the Spurs.

God what have we done to deserve this? Do you hate us? is it Les Alexander? San Antonio is a crap city God, they don't deserve anything. Why can you move them to Montana or Kansas?

We the Rockets were not floppers when we were champs. I never thought in a million years that I would say, I'd rather root for the Lakers than the Spurs. Have you no mercy on us??!!!
"Oh what a load of horse hooey! Tinman I expect better from you. You and I both know that the Spurs are reaping the benefits of their being a sound, smart organization. While Houston fans have stood by, drank the red koolaid and praised Les & CD for their inept mediocrity for past dozen years since the Rudy T championships, the Spurs have methodically developed and EXECUTED a vision of what they want in their team and their franchise.

While the Rockets under CD & Les were spending year after year in the NBA lotto a coming up empty, the Spurs used their late round draft picks to pickup guys like Ginnobli & Parker who can not only play but play at a high level. They have managed to do what the Rockets have failed to do: build a winning team around Duncan. Here, Yao is in his 5th year and counting waiting for the Rockets to do likewise. I suggest that he start growing a beard while he waits.

In Houston, it's been far far easier for everyone to indulge in self-delusion about the Rockets being better because we have two superstars blah blah blah. We are better than Utah - we could take Dallas and we can beat the Spurs yada yada yada...This entire town is full of folks who swallow anything Les & Co put out there - now we're going to get entertaining, uptempo (read: not championship) basketball. I can hardly wait...

The recent JVG episode is a perfect example of the bizzaro world inhabited by the Rockets organizations and their red koolaid swigging fans where a damn good head coach gets shown door because it's easier for the owner and the organization to hide their mistakes by scapgoatting rather facing up to reality, biting the bullet and making the tough decisions necessary to undo 12 years of stumbling about the NBA wilderness. And the last time I looked, nobody ever confused Rick Adelman with Moses...

As for the Spurs going after title #4 with Tim Duncan, Ric Flair used to say: "Whether you like or don't like it, You better LEARN To LOVE IT because this is the way it's going to be from now on..."

[MR. MEOWGI]

"Oh what a load of horse hooey! Tinman I expect better from you. You and I both know that the Spurs are reaping the benefits of their being a sound, smart organization. While Houston fans have stood by, drank the red koolaid and praised Les & CD for their inept mediocrity for past dozen years since the Rudy T championships, the Spurs have methodically developed and EXECUTED a vision of what they want in their team and their franchise.

While the Rockets under CD & Les were spending year after year in the NBA lotto a coming up empty, the Spurs used their late round draft picks to pickup guys like Ginnobli & Parker who can not only play but play at a high level. They have managed to do what the Rockets have failed to do: build a winning team around Duncan. Here, Yao is in his 5th year and counting waiting for the Rockets to do likewise. I suggest that he start growing a beard while he waits.

In Houston, it's been far far easier for everyone to indulge in self-delusion about the Rockets being better because we have two superstars blah blah blah. We are better than Utah - we could take Dallas and we can beat the Spurs yada yada yada...This entire town is full of folks who swallow anything Les & Co put out there - now we're going to get entertaining, uptempo (read: not championship) basketball. I can hardly wait...

The recent JVG episode is a perfect example of the bizzaro world inhabited by the Rockets organizations and their red koolaid swigging fans where a damn good head coach gets shown door because it's easier for the owner and the organization to hide their mistakes by scapgoatting rather facing up to reality, biting the bullet and making the tough decisions necessary to undo 12 years of stumbling about the NBA wilderness. And the last time I looked, nobody ever confused Rick Adelman with Moses...

As for the Spurs going after title #4 with Tim Duncan, Ric Flair used to say: "Whether you like or don't like it, You better LEARN To LOVE IT because this is the way it's going to be from now on..."


Uh, Robinson getting "hurt" to get Duncan is more luck than anything.

[Achilleus]

Jordan didn't start the season, but he did finish it, and he was completely healthy and ready for the playoffs, which were the same length as always. He/the Bulls just got beat, and the Rockets beat the team that beat Chicago.

1999 was a 50 game season. 1995 was an 82 game season. Jordan is one player who returned and had no direct impact on the Rockets championship, since he didn't even get to the finals.

1999 - There were less regular season games played than at any time in the NBA's history since the late 1940s, before the league was even called the National Basketball Association.

[The Cat]

So, in other words, you can't defend Bowen and his actions - that's what I thought. Thanks.

What do Bowen and his actions have to do with anything? I have an opinion on that, but it's a subject for another discussion. Thing is, I can find you hundreds of players in the history of the league — many of which played on championship teams — that many fans considered "dirty." Do all of those championships get a * as well?

I'm talking about the lack of logic in expecting the majority opinion to be that two Spurs championships aren't legitimate. You're talking about one player you don't like, and giving your reasoning for disliking San Antonio. That's all fine and good, but it serves no purpose to the point I was debating, so I'm not going to take the bait and go away from your initial point.

[vcchlw]

Personally I think it's perfectly fine to root for one and only one home team, but hatred towards all other teams not named Rockets is a bit too much. Now that Robinson and Hakeen has retired for years. It's ok to hate the flopping of Gino, or even the classless act of Horry. You may not like it, Duncan is the best big man in the league right now and he is certainly somebody Yao Ming should really learn from.

I used to hate the Jazz, but now that Stockton/Malone is long gone. I kinda like them because Boozer and Williams are great players. I hate to say it, but the result speaks for itself. They are better than Tracy+Yao. Talent-wise, Yao and T-mac is far superior. Maybe they are soft, not properly coached (offensively)...I don't know the reason, but I am disappointed they lost again. But the post-season is still underway and I think it's fun if you can cheer a team that you like the most and it would be much more fun. As a basketball fan, why put so much hate on basketball teams and players in the best basketball league in the world?

[Andy Sheets]

God what have we done to deserve this? Do you hate us? is it Les Alexander? San Antonio is a crap city God, they don't deserve anything. Why can you move them to Montana or Kansas?

I was just saying to my wife the other day that I sometimes wonder if God is still punishing the Rockets for making Rashard Lewis cry. I guess that doesn't have much to do with the Spurs, though...

[The Cat]

1999 was a 50 game season. 1995 was an 82 game season. Jordan is one player who returned and had no direct impact on the Rockets championship, since he didn't even get to the finals.

1999 - There were less regular season games played than at any time in the NBA's history since the late 1940s, before the league was even called the National Basketball Association.

OK. I'm assuming by this you believe there was a tangible impact on team/player performance in that offseason from not playing a full 82 game schedule. Would this be a correct assumption?

If so, then Rockets fans shouldn't counter the "Jordan wasn't playing/wasn't himself" argument with "he did play." That's all I'm saying.

[professorjay]

No hate here. I don't like their dirty plays and flopping, between them and Utah they are slowly moving basketball away from what it should be. It really is getting to be like floppers in soccer and I wouldn't complain if they start giving fouls for it.

That said, I do appreciate the Spurs ability to play championship basketball: total defense, and they ALWAYS stick to their game down 20 or up 20. These guys don't panic and in most cases, always end up forcing the opponent to play at a Spurs pace. It's amazing, w/ them you always know which team shows up every night, and especially during the playoffs. To have that level of consistency and the mentality that they will prevail if they just keep w/ the gameplan is unmatched this year.

[DeAleck]

These types of polls would be much better if the authors don't put in their own reasons. Just a Yes/No poll would suffice.

[HillBoy]

Man, what a bunch of whiny-ass little girl fans! Each and every one of you would take Horry & Bowen for the Rockets in a heartbeat! While Houston fans are content to argue about which of two players long since out of the league is the better player, San Antonio fans are getting ready for the 2007 NBA Finals. So go ahead and hate on the Spurs all you want - you can hate until your faces turn Rocket-red and it still won't get the Rockets out of the 1st round of the playoffs. After reading these posts, I can understand why the 3 major sport franchises in Houston are all losers with a capital L.

[jo mama]

Man, what a bunch of whiny-ass little girl fans! Each and every one of you would take Horry & Bowen for the Rockets in a heartbeat!

horry is always welcome back, but bowen is a cheap shot dirty punk who intentionally tries to hurt people - i would never want someone like that on my team.

[HillBoy]

Uh, Robinson getting "hurt" to get Duncan is more luck than anything.
Uh, the Rockets getting the no.1 pick to take Yao was also more luck than anything so what's your point or should we discuss how the Rockets "tanked" the season to get into the Hakeem lottery?

[HillBoy]

horry is always welcome back, but bowen is a cheap shot dirty punk who intentionally tries to hurt people - i would never want someone like that on my team.
And he is just the type of cheap shot dirty punk we need on this team of creampuffs like Mr. "It's On Me".

[DaDakota]

I don't hate em anymore, I hope the Rockets emulate them....

DD

[HillBoy]

OK. I'm assuming by this you believe there was a tangible impact on team/player performance in that offseason from not playing a full 82 game schedule. Would this be a correct assumption?

If so, then Rockets fans shouldn't counter the "Jordan wasn't playing/wasn't himself" argument with "he did play." That's all I'm saying.
Right, if folks here want to talk smack, let's start with the conversation about the Rockets winning their two championships during the 2 years when Jordan wasn't playing...

[tinman]

horry is always welcome back, but bowen is a cheap shot dirty punk who intentionally tries to hurt people - i would never want someone like that on my team.
I don't like Bowen. He took out Steve Francis and Steve was having a horrible year anyways. Hate Bowen!

[Precision340]

Another sad day in history where a Texas NBA team not named the Houston Rockets makes it to the NBA Finals.

Oh the days of glory were gone. Spurs fans can now yack this dumb mouths off while we can do nothing, but cling onto the past of glory, when Dream was a reality for us and a nightmare for the Spurs.

God what have we done to deserve this? Do you hate us? is it Les Alexander? San Antonio is a crap city God, they don't deserve anything. Why can you move them to Montana or Kansas?

We the Rockets were not floppers when we were champs. I never thought in a million years that I would say, I'd rather root for the Lakers than the Spurs. Have you no mercy on us??!!!
Look on the bright side Bro... at least we're not Mavs fans!!

[HillBoy]

Look on the bright side Bro... at least we're not Mavs fans!!
The Mavs got exactly what they deserved...They thought that all they had to do was to show up, wave to the crowd, shoot a few 3s and smile for the camera. They thought it was all exhibition basketball on the way to the NBA Finals but somebody forgot to tell Golden State. They thought it was really the NBA playoffs.

[Achilleus]

OK. I'm assuming by this you believe there was a tangible impact on team/player performance in that offseason from not playing a full 82 game schedule. Would this be a correct assumption?

If so, then Rockets fans shouldn't counter the "Jordan wasn't playing/wasn't himself" argument with "he did play." That's all I'm saying.

"Jordan is one player who returned and had no direct impact on the Rockets championship, since he didn't even get to the finals."

Do you not see how comparing one player's return to a season in which every team played only fifty games makes no sense?

That's like saying that even though Roger Maris got more regular season games than Ruth did to break the homerun record, that didn't matter because Ruth didn't face a pitcher like Early Wynn.

The entire basis for the Jordan argument is that they would have beaten the Rockets in the NBA finals (since that would be the only way his team could impact the Rockets). What was the Chicago Bulls record against the Houston Rockets in the early 1990s?

[HillBoy]

I don't hate em anymore, I hope the Rockets emulate them....

DD
Hard to see that happening anytime soon. You need someone over there with a brain stem...

[Achilleus]

I don't think that the '99 season is "tainted," as I would this season, because every team had the same amount of games (there was nothing "unfair"), but I do think there should be a note that the season was the second shortest in NBA history because of the strike.

[david_rocket]

I hate kobe, and most recently I started to hate the Mavs.
In fact, I like the spurs, except for Tony Parker, I cant stand him, I dont like his style of play.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Uh, the Rockets getting the no.1 pick to take Yao was also more luck than anything so what's your point or should we discuss how the Rockets "tanked" the season to get into the Hakeem lottery?

The Spurs were already a great team when they got the pick. The year before Robinson was hurt they were in the Western Conference Finals. Then they got Duncan and Robinson back. THAT is luck, not just being a being a sound, smart organization. The Rockets were crap when they got Hakeem and Yao, not just down due to a single season injury to a single player.

[The Cat]

"Jordan is one player who returned and had no direct impact on the Rockets championship, since he didn't even get to the finals."

Do you not see how comparing one player's return to a season in which every team played only fifty games makes no sense?

That's like saying that even though Roger Maris got more regular season games than Ruth did to break the homerun record, that didn't matter because Ruth didn't face a pitcher like Early Wynn.

The entire basis for the Jordan argument is that they would have beaten the Rockets in the NBA finals (since that would be the only way his team could impact the Rockets). What was the Chicago Bulls record against the Houston Rockets in the early 1990s?

I don't think you're understanding me correctly. I'm not saying I believe the Jordan argument or that I think the Rockets title is tainted in the slightest way. I'm in complete agreement with you on that. I'm just pointing out the inherent contradiction by those who do make that argument and at the same time believe the Spurs' title in 1999 is tainted. To me, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[smeiou78]

I would go as far as to say i would root for the Lakers..but yeah i hate the spurs and any other team that is not named the Rockets.

I am tired of this BS people are saying "we are in texas and we should root for a texas team to win"

MY A S S....i will not root for any damn team other than my home team...

I feel the same way.

[Groogrux]

By far my least favorite sports team on any level.

[HillBoy]

The Spurs were already a great team when they got the pick. The year before Robinson was hurt they were in the Western Conference Finals. Then they got Duncan and Robinson back. THAT is luck, not just being a being a sound, smart organization. The Rockets were crap when they got Hakeem and Yao, not just down due to a single season injury to a single player.
No, the Yao pick was flat out luck. And don't forget that in the year prior to taking Hakeem, they also had the no. 1 pick and took Ralph Sampson (our luck runneth over...). But as far as the Spurs are concerned, no matter how they got the pick, the fact is that they have been able to build championship teams first around both Duncan & Robinson and then around Duncan. That's what smart, sound organizations do something for which the Rockets organization will never be mistaken. Meanwhile over here in Margaritaville, Yao is going on year no. 6 while he waits for the Rockets to build their championship team around him. He'd have better luck searching for that lost jigger of salt...

[MR. MEOWGI]

By far my least favorite sports team on any level.

Nah, it doesn't come close to the Mavs for me. I can't really even explain why.

[HillBoy]

Nah, it doesn't come close to the Mavs for me. I can't really even explain why.
I hate the Celtics. Always have, always will. No need to hate the Mavs as they are their own worse enemy and in my book you don't hate on the opponent who takes himself out.

[Groogrux]

No, the Yao pick was flat out luck. And don't forget that in the year prior to taking Hakeem, they also had the no. 1 pick and took Ralph Sampson (our luck runneth over...). But as far as the Spurs are concerned, no matter how they got the pick, the fact is that they have been able to build championship teams first around both Duncan & Robinson and then around Duncan. That's what smart, sound organizations do something for which the Rockets organization will never be mistaken. Meanwhile over here in Margaritaville, Yao is going on year no. 6 while he waits for the Rockets to build their championship team around him. He'd have better luck searching for that lost jigger of salt...

How long did it take the Spurs to build a championship team around Robinson?

[MR. MEOWGI]

No, the Yao pick was flat out luck. And don't forget that in the year prior to taking Hakeem, they also had the no. 1 pick and took Ralph Sampson (our luck runneth over...). But as far as the Spurs are concerned, no matter how they got the pick, the fact is that they have been able to build championship teams first around both Duncan & Robinson and then around Duncan. That's what smart, sound organizations do something for which the Rockets organization will never be mistaken. Meanwhile over here in Margaritaville, Yao is going on year no. 6 while he waits for the Rockets to build their championship team around him. He'd better luck searching for that lost jigger of salt...

No, it does matter how you got the pick. You did not really have a bad team to earn it. You had a single injury to a single player the year after going to the WCF then you got Duncan and that player back. The Spurs never hat to be a bottom dweller and scrape their way back to the top. Call it good management, I call it a lucky fluke injury.

Still, the best Rockets teams would destroy the best Spurs teams, so whatever.

[Achilleus]

I'm just pointing out the inherent contradiction by those who do make that argument and at the same time believe the Spurs' title in 1999 is tainted. To me, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

You see an "inherent contradiction" because you are reforming two different situations to appear the same. As I said, maybe you posted that before I made the other one, I don't think their championship is tainted (as this year's would be), because every team played the same amount of games (there was nothing "unfair"). But there should be a note (*) that the league played only 60 % of its regular season in 1999, and the least amount of games since the league was renamed, because of the strike.

[HillBoy]

You see an "inherent contradiction" because you are reforming two different situations to appear the same. As I said, maybe you posted that before I made the other one, I don't think their championship is tainted (as this year's would be), because every team played the same amount of games (there was nothing "unfair"). But there should be a note (*) that the league played only 60 % of its regular season in 1999, and the least amount of games since the league was renamed, because of the strike.
We're jumping the gun here so to speak by assuming that the Spurs are going to win it all but to take the position that were they to to do so that somehow this championship would be "tainted" rests on the assumption that Phoenix would have won that series but for the suspensions. That is making a HUGE leap in my book.

If anything, these playoffs have shown that it's the team capable of playing lock-down defense that has been the victor. While the Suns were a very good defensive team, it's the Spurs (and to a lesser extent the Cavs) who fit that description. That is at the core of their team identity. Thus is was no sure thing that the Suns would have prevailed in that series. The Spurs were tougher more battle tested and it showed in that series as well as the Utah series.

[HillBoy]

No, it does matter how you got the pick. You did not really have a bad team to earn it.
Ah, but that's just it: in the NBA the top pick doesn't necessarily go to a really bad team. Just look at what happened this year with Memphis & Boston. With the way the NBA runs the lottery, it really doesn't matter how you got there only that you are there.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Ah, but that's just it: in the NBA the top pick doesn't necessarily go to a really bad team. Just look at what happened this year with Memphis & Boston. With the way the NBA runs the lottery, it really doesn't matter how you got there only that you are there.

Well at least you now admit it.

[tinman]

Still, the best Rockets teams would destroy the best Spurs teams, so whatever.

Dream/Horry > Robinson/Rodman (we proved that)
Dream/Ralph > Robinson/Duncan
Dream/OT > Elsin/Duncan

[HillBoy]

Well at least you now admit it.
Admit what? That's always been the way in the NBA. Look, if you believe that the Spurs 3 championships aren't legit because of how they wound up with Duncan, then fine, I respect your opinion. But the same thing can be said ( and has been said) about our 2 titles as well. At any rate, this does not mean that the Spurs haven't been a top notch organization over the past 9 years while the Rockets have done their best to impersonate the Keystone Cops.

I like your posts a lot MEOWGI. I like the fact that you get angry because you should be angry. I am beyond angry. I watched how the Spurs executed the Jazz last night and I had to admire their grit, determination and focus. The last time I saw a team play like that was in 1995 when I saw the 6th seed team in the West go out and take the title. That's the type of team I have been waiting to see here for 12 years now. And I'm still waiting. Instead, all I/we get is more Rockets BS like we got last week and in 3 years or so, there will be another TC press conference to feed us the same old serving of Rockets BS.

[George Gervin]

Dream/Horry > Robinson/Rodman (we proved that)
Dream/Ralph > Robinson/Duncan
Dream/OT > Elsin/Duncan


Uh your saying that 1 hall of famer and a body is better than 2 hall of famers? doesn't make much sense. So since you are using these player comparisons to justify the best Rocket teams were better then the Spurs team what about the rest of each team? This year's Spurs team has 3 all stars and 6 guys with 2+ rings..I am not going to try and predict what would happen but to make a silly statement about who is better is just plain....well silly.

[MLittle577]

I used to hate the Sperms, I still don't like them very much because they were rivals in the 90s, but it's hard to hate teams, because they have passed us up, and have had okay free agents. They also drafted well, and we haven't.

I wish people hated us, that would mean we were consistently winning.

[Lady_Di]

Nope! I actually like them...they are about to be the next "Lakers" where everybody hated them becausethey kept winning!

[tinman]

Uh your saying that 1 hall of famer and a body is better than 2 hall of famers? doesn't make much sense. So since you are using these player comparisons to justify the best Rocket teams were better then the Spurs team what about the rest of each team? This year's Spurs team has 3 all stars and 6 guys with 2+ rings..I am not going to try and predict what would happen but to make a silly statement about who is better is just plain....well silly.
Ralph (pre-knee injury) was a perenial All Star, his offensive skills were spectacular. He was KG at 7'3'. That team BEAT THE LAKERS DYNASTY TEAM.
No way in hell or bizzaro world the Spurs COULD EVER BEAT the LAKERS DYNASTY TEAM. You know Magic Johnson, Kareem, Worthy..

[rrj_gamz]

I don't hate them, but I won't root for them either...

I only cheer for the Rockets...well, unless cheering for another team gets me laid...

[George Gervin]

Ralph (pre-knee injury) was a perenial All Star, his offensive skills were spectacular. He was KG at 7'3'. That team BEAT THE LAKERS DYNASTY TEAM.
No way in hell or bizzaro world the Spurs COULD EVER BEAT the LAKERS DYNASTY TEAM. You know Magic Johnson, Kareem, Worthy..


I noticed you left out winning the NBA championship..so now your telling me that a team which lost a championship was better than a 3 time NBA champ? :rolleyes: Nice logic

[Achilleus]

I noticed you left out winning the NBA championship..so now your telling me that a team which lost a championship was better than a 3 time NBA champ? :rolleyes: Nice logic

Like the Spurs could be the Larry Bird Celtics...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[tinman]

I noticed you left out winning the NBA championship..so now your telling me that a team which lost a championship was better than a 3 time NBA champ? :rolleyes: Nice logic

No.

"Could the Spurs beat the 80s Lakers?!!"

Thank you for playing Jeopardy!

[plutoblue11]

I don't really like or hate the Spurs. They're really good team and deserved to win.

1. I'll be glad when the day people shut up about Phoenix, because they lost the series...they are not entitled to anything....if they were such great team then they could've easily won the series, but they didn't. Who cares who gets suspended or injured (likes that's never happened before in playoffs) on your team, like they say it's part of the game. If you can succeded with then oh well...besides the Suns did not get it done, as I remember correctly didn't they lose game 1 (most teams who lose game 1 usually lose the series 78% of time), game 3 and got out played in game 4, but managed to win, lost the last two games. That's why they have really good players not great ones (TD, Shaq, Kobe).

If they were such great team they could've overcame adversity like all of the true great teams and won game 6 in S.A. and win the series in 7 at home, but they didn't and that's why they are not in playoffs right now. Pippen was hurt for Chicago against the Pistons (90) and Jazz (98), but Chicago did not complain. The Lakers had Kareem injured for finals in the last game agaisnt 76ers. A bunch of players were suspended in the Heat and Knicks series, but it still went on and nobody complained when it was over with.

And to be honest Phoenix, is and was flawed team when you don't play consistent defense or give up 100 in almost every game, that is not a winning formula for success, especially with quality of defenses the team left in the playoffs play.

2. The * thing is stupid, why would anybody put an * next to a record for the purpose of full season not being played or a player not being the league. Spurs were the best team 98-99, best regular season record defeated T-Wolves, Lakers, and Trailblazers in playoff with 11-1 record.

With the whole M.J. and not being with Bulls, the Bulls were still an good team without him and probably would've been the NBA finals if they defeated the Knicks, and would've had a top 3 seed if M.J. had played all of 95, but it wasn't meant to be the Bulls were not the best team those 3 years. M.J. was not an active player on the rosters so that defeats the whole purpose of the *, while 95 the Bulls simply lost to a better team in the Magic.

3. I'm surprised people are so upset about the Spurs winning when the same people on this board and in the media say you can win without offense and defense. And how sports has no great teams anymore, and is watered in mediocre...which believe is kinda b.s. they has always been great teams in basketball and especially from 90s and a few years 00s. People go on and on about how great the teams where in the 80s, but reality that was only two or three teams that were truly great (Celtics, Lakers, 76ers, and Pistons later on), most of other teams were either very good or alright, but nothing special. While if you see that most of teams in 7-8 spots in both West and East where at times 5 - 20 games under .500 and people complain about the teams now.

[George Gervin]

No.

"Could the Spurs beat the 80s Lakers?!!"

Thank you for playing Jeopardy!


Well considering we are talking about Ralph Sampson's teams I guess you look kind of stupid now don't you? Since I can't arrange both teams getting together and actually playing I will assume that we don't know if the Rocket championship teams could beat the 80s Lakers either.

[Achilleus]

Yes, I meant beat.

Could the Spurs beat either the Lakers or Celtics of the 1980s ?

The teams they have beaten are an 8th seeded Knicks, the New Jersey Nets, and the Pistons.

...and Robinson didn't play against the Pistons.

Robinson and Duncan also never won a championship without another all-star on the team, as Olajuwon did in 1994.

[plutoblue11]

No.

"Could the Spurs beat the 80s Lakers?!!"

Thank you for playing Jeopardy!

But the thing is that they don't play 80s, they play in new millenium under a different set of rules, regulations, salary caps, and Free Agency.

No, they are not as good as the 80s Lakers, but they don't have to be.

[tinman]

Well considering we are talking about Ralph Sampson's teams I guess you look kind of stupid now don't you? Since I can't arrange both teams getting together and actually playing I will assume that we don't know if the Rocket championship teams could beat the 80s Lakers either.
uh,
I said Ralph/Hakeem > Robinson/Duncan

Ralph/Hakeem did beat the 80s Lakers. you got my comparisons mixed up.
Besides the Rockets championship teams could make the Spurs remember the Alamo.

[George Gervin]

Yes, I meant beat.

Could the Spurs beat either the Lakers or Celtics of the 1980s ?

The teams they have beaten are an 8th seeded Knicks, the New Jersey Nets, and the Pistons.

...and Robinson didn't play against the Pistons.

Robinson and Duncan also never won a championship without another all-star on the team, as Olajuwon did in 1994.


What does this have to do with the Rocket champiosnhip teams being better the spurs champiosnhip teams? Your going off on a tangent now..

[macalu]

saying one championship team could or could not defeat another championship team is sofa king dumb.

a lot of Rockets fans think that if the '96 Rockets team got past Utah, the Rockets would have beaten the Bulls. Oh really? they couldn't even get passed Utah (and of course all of you are gonna blame Malone for the bearhug :rolleyes: ), yet you think they could take the Bulls?

[superfob]

Admit what? That's always been the way in the NBA. Look, if you believe that the Spurs 3 championships aren't legit because of how they wound up with Duncan, then fine, I respect your opinion. But the same thing can be said ( and has been said) about our 2 titles as well. At any rate, this does not mean that the Spurs haven't been a top notch organization over the past 9 years while the Rockets have done their best to impersonate the Keystone Cops.

I like your posts a lot MEOWGI. I like the fact that you get angry because you should be angry. I am beyond angry. I watched how the Spurs executed the Jazz last night and I had to admire their grit, determination and focus. The last time I saw a team play like that was in 1995 when I saw the 6th seed team in the West go out and take the title. That's the type of team I have been waiting to see here for 12 years now. And I'm still waiting. Instead, all I/we get is more Rockets BS like we got last week and in 3 years or so, there will be another TC press conference to feed us the same old serving of Rockets BS.

I believe MEOWGI was referring to your notion that the Spurs organization is so much superior by being able to build a championship contender for such a long time. He is pointing to the fact that sometimes dumb luck has to do with such a thing. Let's assume in 2003, Tmac and Yao were hurt right after the trade so we get Dwight Howard the next year. Are we not automatically championship contenders without the need of a "great GM".

Granted the Spurs have done well drafting foriegn players late in the draft before most teams were scouting European players, but how well would they have faired if they didn't get Duncan and Robinson retired. Their talent level would have be depleted like ours after Hakeem. It would have taken them longer to rebuild after being at the top for so long.

[Achilleus]

What does this have to do with the Rocket champiosnhip teams being better the spurs champiosnhip teams? Your going off on a tangent now..

Tinman

I said Ralph/Hakeem > Robinson/Duncan

[Achilleus]

a lot of Rockets fans think that if the '96 Rockets team got past Utah, the Rockets would have beaten the Bulls. Oh really? they couldn't even get passed Utah (and of course all of you are gonna blame Malone for the bearhug :rolleyes: ), yet you think they could take the Bulls?

It's about match-ups, pendee.

[macalu]

It's about match-ups, pendee.

oh yea, Utah total outmatched the Rockets that year....please.

[Achilleus]

oh yea, Utah total outmatched the Rockets that year....please.

...okay.

[George Gervin]

It's quite possible (although i disagree) that Hakeem/Sampson were better than Duncan/Robinson but to state it as a matter of fact is disingenious. I assume most , if not all, on this website would say the Rocket tandem was better. If I went to a Spurs site the majority would say that the Spurs tandem was better so in the end it is up for debate and personal opinion. Can we at least agree on this?

[macalu]

It's quite possible (although i disagree) that Hakeem/Sampson were better than Duncan/Robinson but to state it as a matter of fact is disingenious. I assume most , if not all, on this website would say the Rocket tandem was better. If I went to a Spurs site the majority would say that the Spurs tandem was better so in the end it is up for debate and personal opinion. Can we at least agree on this?

they won't agree with you b/c their hate for the Spurs is so great, its clouded any unbaised judgment they may have.

[tinman]

Dream/Horry > Robinson/Rodman (we proved that)
Dream/Ralph > Robinson/Duncan
Dream/OT > Elsin/Duncan

I'm reposting what I wrote cause some Spurs fans weren't lucky enough to get David Robinson to come over to their school through the read to achieve program.

http://www.dare.com/IDAV/Charlie_and_David_Robinson_copy.JPG

[MR. MEOWGI]

It's quite possible (although i disagree) that Hakeem/Sampson were better than Duncan/Robinson but to state it as a matter of fact is disingenious. I assume most , if not all, on this website would say the Rocket tandem was better. If I went to a Spurs site the majority would say that the Spurs tandem was better so in the end it is up for debate and personal opinion. Can we at least agree on this?

Right brah. Timmy and Davey would have been demolished.

[Achilleus]

they won't agree with you b/c their hate for the Spurs is so great, its clouded any unbaised judgment they may have.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/riotofred/JimHalpert.jpg

[tchenps]

What is there to hate about Big Shot Bob getting his 7th ring?



ok, maybe not those suns fans.

[tinman]

http://www.nba.com/rockets/history/lookingback_86finals.html
1986: Tough to the Finish
Looking back
By Dave Winder
http://www.nba.com/history/images/moments/sampson_r_scrap.jpg
THE ROCKETS STARTED THE YEAR with John Lucas at the point; however, 65 games into the season, Lucas left the team. Allen Leavell replaced Lucas and averaged more than 17 points per contest in 12 games before breaking his wrist. For playmaker No. 3, Rockets Head Coach Bill Fitch looked to his bench and inserted Robert Reid into the starting lineup.

Critics thought the Rockets' lack of point guard depth would hurt them against the guard-oriented teams of the Western Conference. A little more than a month later, Houston was playing the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals.

In the first round the Sacramento Kings could not find an answer for the "Twin Towers" of Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson. Olajuwon and Sampson scored at will while holding the Kings' top inside players to a combined 52 points in a three-game sweep.

In the Western Conference Semifinals, the Rockets prevailed over the Denver Nuggets 4-2 with a 126-122 win in double overtime in Game Six. Houston played the last 6:40 of the game without Sampson because of a foul out and Olajuwon because of an ejection.

The win set up a showdown in the Western Conference Finals with the Lakers. Most Los Angeles players already had their bags packed for the NBA Finals after going up 1-0 with a 119-107 win.

"Robert's done a real good job for them, but they don't have a real point guard," Lakers guard Michael Cooper said. "I think that's going to work to our advantage the entire series."

It worked to the Lakers' advantage for that one game. The Rockets were able to regroup and win the next three games behind Reid's passing, Olajuwon's scoring and a team defense that shut down the Lakers' high scoring attack.

In Game Five Olajuwon scored 30 points, grabbed seven rebounds, and blocked four shots before being ejected in the fourth quarter for fighting.

A Byron Scott jumper could have given the Lakers the win, but his shot was long and Leavell grabbed the rebound and called timeout with one second remaining on the clock.

Sampson demanded the ball as the Rockets gathered around to see which play Fitch would draw up for the last-second shot. Fitch stationed Rodney McCray at midcourt and called for a lob pass to Sampson. As the Rockets walked out of the huddle, Sampson told McCray to inbound the ball as high as he could. "He told me not to worry about the pass," McCray said. "He said that he would go and get it." When Sampson caught the ball in midair, he had his back to the basket and there was no time to square up for the shot or to even come down. Instead, he corkscrewed his body to get a glimpse of the basket and gently released the ball over Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The shot hit the rim, bounced in and the Rockets were on their way to the NBA Finals.

"We're going to Boston with confidence," Sampson said. "We are not just happy to be going there. We're going there intent on winning the series."

The Celtics were intent on winning the series, also. Boston won the opener 112-100 and then followed with a 117-95 blowout victory in Game Two. The Rockets rebounded with a 106-104 win in Game Three, but their quest to even the series at 2-2 ended with a late tip-in by Bill Walton, which gave the Celtics a 106-103 victory.

In Game Five, the Rockets came out fighting for their playoff lives - literally. Early in the second quarter, with Houston holding a 34-33 advantage, Sampson broke free of a Jerry Sichting hold and punched the Celtics guard twice. Sampson then leveled Boston point guard Dennis Johnson as both benches cleared. When the smoke cleared, Sampson was ejected for fighting.

The Rockets used the scuffle as an emotional lift, going on a 24-14 run as the fans chanted, "We want Ralph" until halftime. The Rockets then rolled to a 111-96 win to send the series back to Boston.

In Game Six, Larry Bird and Kevin McHale each scored 29 points as Boston won the NBA title with a 114-97 win.

[Manny Ramirez]

It's quite possible (although i disagree) that Hakeem/Sampson were better than Duncan/Robinson but to state it as a matter of fact is disingenious. I assume most , if not all, on this website would say the Rocket tandem was better. If I went to a Spurs site the majority would say that the Spurs tandem was better so in the end it is up for debate and personal opinion. Can we at least agree on this?
Nope...Dream and Ralph pwns Timmy and The Little Mermaid aka Robinson... CASE CLOSED :p

[George Gervin]

Nope...Dream and Ralph pwns Timmy and The Little Mermaid aka Robinson... CASE CLOSED :p


well there you have it Mary said so.. :rolleyes:

[tinman]

What is there to hate about Big Shot Bob getting his 7th ring?



ok, maybe not those suns fans.

yeah, they cant win a championship without help from an original Clutch City player, Mario Elie, Horry.

Horry -saving the Spurs from Detroit (the posterizing of Hamilton game)
Horry -the Nash play

Note how Horry and Elie say that DREAM WAS THE BEST PLAYER THEY EVER PLAYED WITH. Not Duncan Not Robinson.

[Manny Ramirez]

well there you have it Mary said so.. :rolleyes:

Sorry jabroni, but you aren't going to get any Sperm loving here (well except from The Cat). If you are expecting that, then I would suggest that you close your window to clutchfans and go to google and do a search for "Spurs Basketball Forums". Maybe you'll find that Sperms Heaven that you so desperately thought was here.

[Manny Ramirez]

yeah, they cant win a championship without help from an original Clutch City player, Mario Elie, Horry.

Horry -saving the Spurs from Detroit (the posterizing of Hamilton game)
Horry -the Nash play

Note how Horry and Elie say that DREAM WAS THE BEST PLAYER THEY EVER PLAYED WITH. Not Duncan Not Robinson.

Word and Dream never resorted to cheapshot tactics as did none of his teammates (well we will overlook Maxwell who was banished by the time of the 2nd run and this also was back in the day when Horry hadn't drunk the Sperms Kool-Aid of thuggery, bushleague moves, and cheapshot tactics).

[Groogrux]

Sorry jabroni, but you aren't going to get any Sperm loving here (well except from The Cat).

Well, if outlaw was still around...

[tinman]

Word and Dream never resorted to cheapshot tactics as did none of his teammates (well we will overlook Maxwell who was banished by the time of the 2nd run and this also was back in the day when Horry hadn't drunk the Sperms Kool-Aid of thuggery, bushleague moves, and cheapshot tactics).
Maxwell was never a dirty player like Bowen.
However Maxwell did use some 'lively words starting with the letter F' during his play!

[HillBoy]

uh,
I said Ralph/Hakeem > Robinson/Duncan

Ralph/Hakeem did beat the 80s Lakers. you got my comparisons mixed up.
Besides the Rockets championship teams could make the Spurs remember the Alamo.
You see tinman? This is what it's come to for Rockets' fans: Worthless speculation on who's better about players long since out of the NBA. Give thanks to Les, CD & the crew for making your Houston pro basketball experience such a memorable experience. And just think: now that Adelman is on board, the best is yet to come.

[tinman]

You see tinman? This is what it's come to for Rockets' fans: Worthless speculation on who's better about players long since out of the NBA. Give thanks to Les, CD & the crew for making your Houston pro basketball experience such a memorable experience. And just think: now that Adelman is on board, the best is yet to come.
Next season is a LONG TIME from now.

I had my good memories this year, I was at the AT&T center with the rowdies. Finally a victory on their court.
Spurs fan, why is your stadium in the hood? why can't it be cool like Toyota Center in which is in the middle of downtown?
you can build a really nice house, but now one wants to live in it if its in the hood.

[HillBoy]

I believe MEOWGI was referring to your notion that the Spurs organization is so much superior by being able to build a championship contender for such a long time. He is pointing to the fact that sometimes dumb luck has to do with such a thing. Let's assume in 2003, Tmac and Yao were hurt right after the trade so we get Dwight Howard the next year. Are we not automatically championship contenders without the need of a "great GM".

Granted the Spurs have done well drafting foriegn players late in the draft before most teams were scouting European players, but how well would they have faired if they didn't get Duncan and Robinson retired. Their talent level would have be depleted like ours after Hakeem. It would have taken them longer to rebuild after being at the top for so long.
I see. OK, I'll admit that luck can be a factor but in the long run the superior organization wins out. My point is that since 1999, that describes San Antonio, not Houston. Since 2000, Houston has been in the lottery 5 times while San Antonio has won 2 championships. We can keep telling ourselves that the Spurs aren't really that good - that they are lucky or whatever but the facts are that they are in the NBA Finals this year while we get to watch on TV AGAIN!

I'm not saying that everything SA has done has worked because they have had their fair share of mistakes but unlike here, they have managed to get enough things right to offset the things they got wrong. One day, this organization may actually pull it's head out of the sand and realize what it takes to succeed.

Oh and about your scenario for 2003: It wouldn't have made the slightest difference. You see, our illustrious GM traded away our 1st round pick that year - that's how they ended up drafting Badianne late in the 2nd round.

[HillBoy]

Next season is a LONG TIME from now.

I had my good memories this year, I was at the AT&T center with the rowdies. Finally a victory on their court.
Spurs fan, why is your stadium in the hood? why can't it be cool like Toyota Center in which is in the middle of downtown?
you can build a really nice house, but now one wants to live in it if its in the hood.
Whoa! Careful dude! I grew up in the hood and my folks still live there... :)

[weslinder]

No strong feelings about the Spurs. I love Robert Horry. I like Tim Duncan (knocked Karla Malone out of the greatest PF spot). I like Tony Parker, even though I think he's vastly overrated. I do hate Bruce Bowen and don't like Manu Ginobli much.

I'm rooting for Detroit, but I rooted for the Spurs in WCF.

[FranchiseBlade]

I don't actually hate the Spurs. I hate Popovich, Parker, and Manu. I like Horry and Duncan. I dislike Bowen, and don't really care one way or the other about the rest of the team.

I enjoy beating them because they are a worthy rival for the Rockets. But I don't hate them the way I do the Lakers, the Mavs, or the Jazz.

[tinman]

I don't actually hate the Spurs. I hate Popovich, Parker, and Manu. I like Horry and Duncan. I dislike Bowen, and don't really care one way or the other about the rest of the team.

I enjoy beating them because they are a worthy rival for the Rockets. But I don't hate them the way I do the Lakers, the Mavs, or the Jazz.

all of you who dont hate the spurs just don't know how it feels to live in a neutral site like Austin, where you see Yao, Nowitski, and Duncan jerseys all over the place. There's a big Astros following.. And you know what we think about the Texans! ;)

[TBar]

You see tinman? This is what it's come to for Rockets' fans: Worthless speculation on who's better about players long since out of the NBA. Give thanks to Les, CD & the crew for making your Houston pro basketball experience such a memorable experience. And just think: now that Adelman is on board, the best is yet to come.

Enjoy yourself Spurs fan-I have to hear this stuff everyday at work from 4 die hard Spurs fans. It really gets old- all the gloating. They actually think they could have won without Tim Duncan with Pop's superior coaching, Bowen being "gritty", Parker the top 3 point, and Manu - the best swingman.

[HillBoy]

Enjoy yourself Spurs fan-I have to hear this stuff everyday at work from 4 die hard Spurs fans. It really gets old- all the gloating. They actually think they could have won without Tim Duncan with Pop's superior coaching, Bowen being "gritty", Parker the top 3 point, and Manu - the best swingman.
Listen TBar, I'm no Spurs' fan but neither am I some whiney ass Rockets' fan who tries to console himself by coming up with excuses for why the Rockets find themselves sitting at home again and why the Spurs' championships aren't really legit. I am man enough to give credit where credit is due. The Spurs deserve to be where they are right now because they have earned it. Their fans have also earned the right to gloat so I would suggest that you grow a thicker skin amigo. If you want a target for your anger try directing it at the folks really responsible for the sorry state of affairs that is the Rockets and that's the team ownership and management.

[thumbs]

Listen TBar, I'm no Spurs' fan but neither am I some whiney ass Rockets' fan who tries to console himself by coming up with excuses for why the Rockets find themselves sitting at home again and why the Spurs' championships aren't really legit. I am man enough to give credit where credit is due. The Spurs deserve to be where they are right now because they have earned it. Their fans have also earned the right to gloat so I would suggest that you grow a thicker skin amigo. If you want a target for your anger try directing it at the folks really responsible for the sorry state of affairs that is the Rockets and that's the team ownership and management.

Concur. Looks like we are on the same hilltop with the same view -- a rare event. ;)

[HillBoy]

all of you who dont hate the spurs just don't know how it feels to live in a neutral site like Austin, where you see Yao, Nowitski, and Duncan jerseys all over the place. There's a big Astros following.. And you know what we think about the Texans! ;)
I thought Austin and San Antonio was Cowboys' country...

[tinman]

I thought Austin and San Antonio was Cowboys' country...
it is! we didn't even get the Texans last season cause the ratings were so low.
This year they will start showing the Texans again. maybe if they win and don't suck they'll stay on tv. the Cowboys, people hate them or love them. The Texans, no one cares about them (could it be what happened in the draft?!! hmmm)

i was on xboxlive last night and some spurs fans recognized my handle and rubbed it in. saying how they easily whipped Utah.
my handle = clutchcity93

at least they know what it means. but all i could say is that we won 1 game in your house this year! :D :(

[HillBoy]

Man! I have no idea how they were able to tell you were a Rockets' fan...

[TBar]

Listen TBar, I'm no Spurs' fan but neither am I some whiney ass Rockets' fan who tries to console himself by coming up with excuses for why the Rockets find themselves sitting at home again and why the Spurs' championships aren't really legit. I am man enough to give credit where credit is due. The Spurs deserve to be where they are right now because they have earned it. Their fans have also earned the right to gloat so I would suggest that you grow a thicker skin amigo. If you want a target for your anger try directing it at the folks really responsible for the sorry state of affairs that is the Rockets and that's the team ownership and management.

No problem friend. I'm not angry at anything or anybody. I really like Tim Duncan as a player and have followed his career since Wake Forest. He is a class guy and one of my favorite players. I think he is a great role model.

I personally think Bowen is a dirty player. No big deal though- I won't lose sleep over it.

The Spurs are a great organization.

I am a Rockets fan and am at peace with mistakes the team has made in drafts, trades, and management. I want my team to do better. I am happy, but would be happier if my team had at least beaten Utah one game in Utah.

Next year -next season I'm hoping will be better. I will be happy with improvement.

Peace friend!

Go Rockets!!!!

[Icehouse]

So I guess I'm the only one who really likes the Spurs. How can you not appreciate a player like Duncan (even though I do fear him going down ahead of Dream if he wins another two titles...which is quite possible).

[v3.0]

I hate anyone that can talk trash or look down on the Rockets...so...

KCUF EHT SRUPS DNA SRUPS SNAF!!!

ps. just because I acknowledge their excellent team play doesn't mean I should like them.

[saleem]

I hate anyone that can talk trash or look down on the Rockets...so...

KCUF EHT SRUPS DNA SRUPS SNAF!!!

ps. just because I acknowledge their excellent team play doesn't mean I should like them.
I dislike their arrogant fans and the floping from Ginobili although I do like his grit and determination. I can't stand Bowen's hitting and kicking but I was still happy to see the Jazz beaten.
The teams that I dislike the most are
1.Utah Jazz
2.Dallas Mavericks
3. San Antonio Spurs

[TBar]

So I guess I'm the only one who really likes the Spurs. How can you not appreciate a player like Duncan (even though I do fear him going down ahead of Dream if he wins another two titles...which is quite possible).

It appears many people here do like the Spurs friend

[tinman]

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[tinman]

http://nightmare.org/wp-images/smlbj_we_are_all_witnesses.jpg

[rocketsmetalspd]

Don't like them Spurs. Down here in the Rio Grande Valley everyone wants everyone to be Spurs fans. Would a Texas Longhorns fan root for the Aggies to win a National Title or vise versa? Nuff Said.

[SwoLy-D]

In the SwoLy household, we teach respect, we teach the Golden Rule, we teach intelligence and we teach self-esteem, including all those teachings are respecting the RED and WHITE and disliking the Jazz, Lakers, Suns, Mavericks and Spurs. :o