The Spurs OWN this league, period

[rdsgonzo13]

Bowen undercuts 110 jumpshooters. He wasn't suspended ONCE.

Amare and Diaw leave the bench after an Horry cheapshot on their bestplayer. Do they touch Horry? No. Do they add to the incident? No. Do they retreat to the bench? Yes. They have now been suspended more for their actions than Bruce Bowen ever has.

Duncan and Bowen leave the bench earlier in the game. Are they suspended? No.

The Spurs have a license to do whatver they want.

Even when they cheapshot a guy, they win the trade because Stern suspends the victims more than the perpetrators.

WOW.

Hand them the trophy now and get it over with.

[matpio]

That's ridiculous, Horry is pretty much rewarded for throwing an elbow at Nash. 2 games without Horry is nothing compared to one game without both Amare and Diaw.
I don't see the Suns winning game 5 without Diaw and Amare. I was expecting to watch a great game 5 of a great series, I don't even know if I will watch it now.

[real_egal]

What do you say about last year? If they had owned the league, Dirk wouldn't get that ridiculous bailout call in the last 5 seconds. Spurs might have swept the Heat.

[sammy]

That's ridiculous, Horry is pretty much rewarded for throwing an elbow at Nash. 2 games without Horry is nothing compared to one game without both Amare and Diaw.
I don't see the Suns winning game 5 without Diaw and Amare. I was expecting to watch a great game 5 of a great series, I don't even know if I will watch it now.

Nash made it a bit more dramatic than it really was. IMO, the suspensions don't make any sense. This has been an amazing series and the NBA has to screw it up.

[matpio]

Nash made it a bit more dramatic than it really was. IMO, the suspensions don't make any sense. This has been an amazing series and the NBA has to screw it up.
And then they will be surprised when the ratings are down.... :rolleyes:

[hooroo]

Clamping down on retaliation you stop escalation. Not my opinion just what I see as the general trend in sports.

[rdsgonzo13]

What do you say about last year? If they had owned the league, Dirk wouldn't get that ridiculous bailout call in the last 5 seconds. Spurs might have swept the Heat.

You mean the play Manure clearly whacked Dirk on the arm?

If you want to blame someone for that, blame Manu for not letting that play go. He's 6 inches shorter than a guy and wants to stop a dunk attempt with his team up 3 with 15 seconds left.

Stupid play.

How on Earth does that equate to the atrocities the Spurs are getting away with this offseason though? They have a player who's kicked a guy in the achilles and kneed a guy in the balls without getting suspended, yet they are going to win Game 5 because Amare left the bench by 5 feet or so in reaction to a dirty cheapshot by surprise surprise, another Spur.

[Luffy1]

The nba is a joke! They protect duncan and his dirty team, yet punish the suns for nothing. Suns need to send pat burke in next game to punch someone and get some spurs to leave the bench.

[Luffy1]

Duncan should get suspended too, but he didn't!! :mad:

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[aaaa]

I think the worst decision was when the NBA decided not to review what was clearly a kick by Bowen to Stoudemire. I mean, are they just going to wait until somebody's season is ended?? Even Steve Kerr said that he gets away with these 'antics'.

Stupid thinking by Stoudemire and Diaw, but no way should they have rewarded the Suns for their cheap shot. And it was -- all he had to do was grab him at that moment.

[astrosrule]

i hate both teams, bowen more then any player in the league and i don't think he should even be in the league for all the potential injuries he causes, but THE RULE IS THE RULE, amare and diaw left the bench during an altercation, there was no altercation when duncan left the bench, amare went more then "5 feet" and only "retreated" because the coaches got to him.
Nash went WWE when he was sprawled on the floor, yet poped right up like nothing happened. All this talk that they should ignore the rule for the suns because its unfair is a freakin joke, its the suns fault for being idiots when the rule has been in place for more then a decade (a stupid rule but a rule none the less)

[Cannonball]

Well, the rule should be modified in the offseason. It was obviously intended to keep incidents from escalating because of players off the court getting involved. That's fine. But if the players never actually get involved in the altercation, what's the problem. By the letter of the law, if a player used the break in the action as an opportunity to go hit on the hot cheerleader on the end, he'd be in violation as well because he left the bench. If Stoudamire of Diaw had actually gotten into the scuffle then by all means suspend them. All this did is point out how stupid this rule is. It needs to be altered in the summer.

[Rocketman95]

i hate both teams, bowen more then any player in the league and i don't think he should even be in the league for all the potential injuries he causes, but THE RULE IS THE RULE, amare and diaw left the bench during an altercation, there was no altercation when duncan left the bench, amare went more then "5 feet" and only "retreated" because the coaches got to him.
Nash went WWE when he was sprawled on the floor, yet poped right up like nothing happened. All this talk that they should ignore the rule for the suns because its unfair is a freakin joke, its the suns fault for being idiots when the rule has been in place for more then a decade (a stupid rule but a rule none the less)

Why would Duncan leave the bench at all?

[hooroo]

I think the worst decision was when the NBA decided not to review what was clearly a kick by Bowen to Stoudemire.

That was niggly play, definatley worth a foul, but it wasn't a kick. I'd compare it to standing in a queue and having a snotty prepubescent kid stepping down on the back of your shoe. Hell annoying but not dangerous.

[astrosrule]

it doesnt matter why duncan left players stand up and move around all the time, theres wasnt an altercation so it doesnt matter, amare and diaw clearly and without any doubt broke a rule which requires a maditory suspension, end of story, although the rule is stupid and should be changed

[ndnguy85]

Nash made it a bit more dramatic than it really was. IMO, the suspensions don't make any sense. This has been an amazing series and the NBA has to screw it up.

thats what i been saying...nash should have won the oscar for his acting.

[Cannonball]

thats what i been saying...nash should have won the oscar for his acting.

IMO there was little acting. His flying through the air/being put on his ass was legit. He gave a little wince/grimace and threw his hand above his hands above his head for a few seconds after he landed, but that was all. The body check sending Nash into the boards was real and that's enough.

[Luffy1]

thats what i been saying...nash should have won the oscar for his acting.

Don't be ridiculous. Nash didn't embellish anything on that play. Totally dirty play by horry and his team gets rewarded for it! ****ing BS! :mad:

[KingCheetah]

Horry is a classy guy ~ Nash must have said or done something we missed to get that reaction from him.

And yeah Nash flopped to make it look worse than it was -- Horry should get a one game suspension and that's it. Amare and Diaw should not be suspended at all IMO.

[AntiSonic]

Spurs rock! Go Horry! Go Duncan!

[Invisible Fan]

I hope they go ape**** in game 5, with Duncan put out of condition because no way am I gonna watch anymore NBA this season after this series.

[ghettocheeze]

David Stern' dilemma:

Its like spending 10 years finding the perfect girl of your dreams and the night before your wedding you find out she is a cheap skank whore who has banged everyone of your friends and you just caught her blowing the best man. Now how would you deal with that?

NBA has spend so much time and effort billing the Spurs as "ULTIMATE TEAM" and now this blows up in your face and you know what Stern didn't have the balls to admit the NBA has become a league or thugs, drug dealers, rapist, wife-beaters and now his poster child team is a dirty whore. Sorry but it takes a man to let a bitch now where she belongs!

[MiniMing]

No Suns should be suspended, the Spurs easliy got the better end of this deal.

[AntiSonic]

The Spurs are the classiest organization in NBA history!

Go Horry!

[knote32]

David Stern' dilemma:

Its like spending 10 years finding the perfect girl of your dreams and the night before your wedding you find out she is a cheap skank whore who has banged everyone of your friends and you just caught her blowing the best man. Now how would you deal with that?

NBA has spend so much time and effort billing the Spurs as "ULTIMATE TEAM" and now this blows up in your face and you know what Stern didn't have the balls to admit the NBA has become a league or thugs, drug dealers, rapist, wife-beaters and now his poster child team is a dirty whore. Sorry but it takes a man to let a bitch now where she belongs!
That was necessary...

[tuus]

Totally dirty play by horry and his team gets rewarded for it! ****ing BS! :mad:
Horry - he didn't do anything to deserve 2 game suspension!
He gave one good foul.

[BroadwayBelm]

Duncan should get suspended too, but he didn't!! :mad:

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you can thank Steve KErr for that.


HE immeadiately points out to the NBA stoudamire and diaw, along with Jackson taking too long 2 weeks ago, and the NBA takes action. If he doesn't bring this forward on national tv, there is less of a chance of the punishments being handed out.

[Fuzzy Zoeller]

Man, I can see it now...


The Spurs win game 5 even though Phoenix fights hard to overcome these suspensions.

The Suns win, facing elimination on the road, when Amare and Diaw come back with extra motivation in game 6.

The score will be close in the last seconds of a hard-fought game 7...



...and then we all remember that Robert Horry's suspension is only 2 games.




Too bad that might actually happen. :(

[rhino17]

Duncan was not suspended because the rule clearly states there must be an "altercation" for you to be suspended for leaving you seat.

[rdsgonzo13]

Duncan was not suspended because the rule clearly states there must be an "altercation" for you to be suspended for leaving you seat.

Duncan left when Elson was upended by Jones (hard foul). There easily could have been an altercation.

If you want to get that technical, then Amare technically left the bench right after Nash was decked by Cheap Shot Bob.

At that point, all that had happened was a ridiculously hard foul by Horry. So the altercation between Bell and Horry (and there's no way that can clearly be called an altercation anyway, it's all subjective) happened AFTER Stoudemire was on the court.

So technically by the letter of the law he did NOT violate the rule because he was already on the court at the time the "altercation" occurred.

If you define "hard foul" as altercation, then Duncan should have been suspended as well because the Elson play was a hard foul too.

This is simply a double standard, one for SA, one for the rest of the league.

I mean they've now cheapshotted Amare and Nash in THREE consecutive games (kick to achilles Game 2, knee to balls game 3, bodycheck game 4). And the Suns are the team which has lost 2 critical players for the biggest game of their season. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6814904

This article about sums it all up.

[olliez]

Suns got raped.

The only way to get even is a good hard knock out foul on Manu or Parker

[R0ckets03]

David Stern' dilemma:

Its like spending 10 years finding the perfect girl of your dreams and the night before your wedding you find out she is a cheap skank whore who has banged everyone of your friends and you just caught her blowing the best man. Now how would you deal with that?

NBA has spend so much time and effort billing the Spurs as "ULTIMATE TEAM" and now this blows up in your face and you know what Stern didn't have the balls to admit the NBA has become a league or thugs, drug dealers, rapist, wife-beaters and now his poster child team is a dirty whore. Sorry but it takes a man to let a bitch now where she belongs!


dang, you are ghetto.

[c1utchfan925]

man it sucks but stern does basically love the spurs. an altercation is anything he says is, the suns were screwed over and thats about it. heres to the suns winning the series despite losing their center/best 6th man.

honestly if stern can't suck it up and suspend them next season thats fine by me, it only shows that he loves to take his time in considering whether or not he made a mistake, remember that NEW IMPROVED ball? yeah what happened to that GREAT idea?

Guy's ego is far too big than this world to admit his mistakes.

[Rocket River]

1. The nba will make sure the Suns win so . . .do not dispair suns fans
2. nash got hit hard. . but he flopped to make it look worse
3. I hate Raja Flop
4. A Rule is a Rule
5. If this was Stephen Jackson and Rasheed . .. we would not be having this convo
6. You cannot have special rules for special players in special situations

Allow Subectivity = Rodman getting a Tech for looking at an official . .. Duncan for laughing on the bench . . etc. . .

Rocket River
i hate Raja Flop

[Rocket River]

Suns got raped.

The only way to get even is a good hard knock out foul on Manu or Parker


Spurs got rapped. . those Two Offensive Fouls on Duncan
and that bogus Traveling calls. . . ridiculous
The Zebras taketh . .and the Zebras giveth

they seriously wants this to be a 7 game series
and not matter what happened it was going to be
this is just a convenient excuse


Rocket River

[Desert Scar]

Spurs got rapped. . those Two Offensive Fouls on Duncan
and that bogus Traveling calls. . . ridiculous
The Zebras taketh . .and the Zebras giveth

they seriously wants this to be a 7 game series
and not matter what happened it was going to be
this is just a convenient excuse


Rocket River

Rocket River you are getting tired. The Spurs suck, and are a mortal enemy of the Rockets. They also are a bunch of dirty players, floppers (Raja has nothing on Manu and company--who have brought pure soccer style flopping to the NBA), punks and whiney crybabies when they are called on it. Their fans also sound like a bunch of pre-teen girls, their most sophisicated cheer is 3 syllabuls which most of their fans couldn't follow unless "Go" was spotted twice, and their French PG isn't getting any despite having a model/actress show up for his games.

Have I missed anything else guys?

[SunsRocketsfan]

Spurs got rapped. . those Two Offensive Fouls on Duncan
and that bogus Traveling calls. . . ridiculous
The Zebras taketh . .and the Zebras giveth

they seriously wants this to be a 7 game series
and not matter what happened it was going to be
this is just a convenient excuse


Rocket River

go join the damn spurs msg board.. and change your name to spurs river.. cuz u are a bigger spurs fan than a rockets fan...

well obviously im a suns fan from my name.. but i was actually rather close to neutral before the series began. but the spurs have proven they are a bunch of dirty cheap players which i definately dont have any respect for.
and hey im a suns fan but i can admit raja bell is a dirty player sometimes but he is nothing compared to bowen and horry

[YallMean]

If I had to pick one of both, which I dont like since I am a rocket fan, I would pick the Spurs. Cant stant Mike.D melodramatic arguing and staring at the Refs after each and every call as if they were robbed.

[Achilleus]

Spurs got rapped. . those Two Offensive Fouls on Duncan
and that bogus Traveling calls. . . ridiculous
The Zebras taketh . .and the Zebras giveth

they seriously wants this to be a 7 game series
and not matter what happened it was going to be
this is just a convenient excuse


Rocket River


Are you being serious or is this a parody of an irrational Spurs fan in San Antonio ?

I guess it's funny either way.

[Rocketman95]

4. A Rule is a Rule
6. You cannot have special rules for special players in special situations


Unless you're Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen.

The only reason Duncan was on the court was because he thought there might be an altercation. Yet, he gets to play in game 5.

Easily, by far, not even close...the Spurs are my new least favorite sports team. I'd rather the Aggies win the national championship, Cowboys win the Super Bowl or the Yankees win a WS than this dirty, flopping, whiny group of bitches win another championship.

And I won't shed any tears if Bowen ruptures an achilles and tears his sack. Karma is a bitch. When you try to intentionally hurt people, you deserve it back.

[macalu]

1. The nba will make sure the Suns win so . . .do not dispair suns fans
2. nash got hit hard. . but he flopped to make it look worse
3. I hate Raja Flop
4. A Rule is a Rule
5. If this was Stephen Jackson and Rasheed . .. we would not be having this convo
6. You cannot have special rules for special players in special situations

Allow Subectivity = Rodman getting a Tech for looking at an official . .. Duncan for laughing on the bench . . etc. . .

Rocket River
i hate Raja Flop

yea he flopped. i mean how else was he gonna sell that call without throwing his head and shoulder into the scorer's table. :rolleyes:

[Rocketman95]

yea he flopped. i mean how else was he gonna sell that call without throwing his head and shoulder into the scorer's table. :rolleyes:

Sure, he was nailed in the nads, but he completely flopped there too.

Spurs fans are functionally retarded. I give them props for even being able to type in semi-coherent sentences.

[macalu]

That was niggly play, definatley worth a foul, but it wasn't a kick. I'd compare it to standing in a queue and having a snotty prepubescent kid stepping down on the back of your shoe. Hell annoying but not dangerous.

NOT dangerous? how about you jump up, let me "nick" on your achilles and tell me that you don't mind losing your balance coming down.

[Rocketman95]

NOT dangerous? how about you jump up, let me "nick" on your achilles and tell me that you don't mind losing your balance coming down.

Like I said, functionally retarded.

[tinman]

the spurs are always complaining and whining to the refs.

[MR. MEOWGI]

The Bowen play was way worse the Horry giving Nash a bump and Nash hamming it up. The flopping is ridiculous.

[Rocketman95]

The Bowen play was way worse the Horry giving Nash a bump and Nash hamming it up. The flopping is ridiculous.

I'm sure you would've just held your ground if someone 9 inches taller than you threw their shoulder into you. :rolleyes:

[MR. MEOWGI]

I'm sure you would've just held your ground if someone 9 inches taller than you threw their shoulder into you. :rolleyes:

Nash fell on his bottom. whaaaa. :( :(

[Rocketman95]

Nash fell on his bottom. whaaaa. :( :(

Nope, he was shoulder-checked onto his bottom.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Nope, he was shoulder-checked onto his bottom.

Nash was milking it so bad. He made it look far worse than what it was.

[giddyup]

Hand them the trophy now and get it over with.
If that means that they move up the NBA draft it's okay by me....

[Rocketman95]

Nash was milking it so bad. He made it look far worse than what it was.

Right, because most people wouldn't fall down at all if they were shoulder-checked by someone nine inches taller than them while dribbling down the court.

I'm sure you thought Nash was milking his nose cut from game one as well.

Functionally. Retarded.

[giddyup]

Didn't Nash also bang the side of his head on the scorer's table?

[KingCheetah]

When I first saw the play I thought Nash had been hit simultaneously by a sniper with a 50-caliber rifle.

[conquistador#11]

When I first saw the play I thought Nash had been hit simultaneously by a sniper with a 50-caliber rifle.


from my angle, it looked like there was a second shooter involved :p

[Rocketman95]

Didn't Nash also bang the side of his head on the scorer's table?

He did it on purpose. Duh.

[jpsamhyz]

Bruce Bowen missed a total of ZERO games over the last 5 seasons. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bruce_bowen/career_stats.html I guess the players he injured over the 5 seasons probably missed at least some 200 games. The SOB is almost 36 years old, and it's about time that the jerk suffer a career-ending injury now.

[DaDakota]

Nash embelished, no doubt about it. I kept thinking about that Italian player in the world cup when Zidane head butted him.......total over-dramatization.

But, Horry gave him a good check....which was dirty dirty dirty !!


I think the league should have suspended Duncan and Bowen to even it out.

If game 6 gets out of hand, look for Pat Burke to come in and body slam Bowen.....

I rarely wish an injury on anyone, but that guy is friggen dirty to the extreme.

DD

[macalu]

Robert Horry - 6'10", 240 lbs of muscle
Steve Nash - 6'3", 195 lbs of skin and bones

one vicious unexpected shoulder check and Nash decides he's gonna use his head as a prop to get a foul call. :rolleyes:

he may have acted like the effects were worse than they were, but that crash into the scorer's table was legit. just b/c he wasn't hurt by it, doesn't take away the fact it was a cheap shot and deserved a F2.

for goodness sake, a few of you are even defending Bowen....Bruce "Karate kick" ****in Bowen!

[bnb]

I'm guessing y'all have never been hip checked.

You go down. Simple as that. Nash did a bit of the arms in the air and head flip...but on the scale of flops...this does not rate.

And he got right up. No feigned injury.

[TheFreak]

The only reason Duncan was on the court was because he thought there might be an altercation. Yet, he gets to play in game 5.


He got up to celebrate the dunk. Pretty easy to see that. Plus there was no altercation.