[CNNSI] Carr Visiting Carolina

[BenignDMD]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- Free agent David Carr traveled to North Carolina on Tuesday to visit with a Panthers team in need of a backup quarterback.

Carr, the No. 1 overall pick by expansion Houston in the 2002 draft, was released by the Texans last month. His agent, Mike Sullivan, did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment. Carolina general manager Marty Hurney does not comment on free-agent visits.

Carr completed 60 percent of his passes with the Texans, but threw 65 interceptions and was sacked 249 times in five seasons. Some believe Carr could flourish behind a better offensive line. Carr is also expected to visit Seattle this week.

The Panthers are looking for a backup behind Jake Delhomme after releasing Chris Weinke last month. The Panthers have also shown interest in former Miami quarterback Joey Harrington.

The Panthers, who have been quiet during the free agency period, are about $9 million under the salary cap.

Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/04/03/bc.fbn.panthers.carr.ap/index.html

[MadMax]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=126314&page=5

[msn]

David Carr does not play for the Texans! WRONG FORUM!!!!1111!!!!1!!11!!!1

(/VinceYoungIronyReset)

[BenignDMD]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=126314&page=5


Haha...I even looked for it in that thread! DOn't know how I missed it. I was even about to post this in there!

[DaDakota]

Carr sucks !!!!

From starter to backup.....just wow....

DD

[kaleidosky]

Carr sucks !!!!

From starter to backup.....just wow....

DD

Starter to backup happens. Harrington. Ramsey. Culpepper (sorta). Brunell. Jeff Garcia a couple of years ago. Not all that unusual..

[BenignDMD]

Starter to backup happens. Harrington. Ramsey. Culpepper (sorta). Brunell. Jeff Garcia a couple of years ago. Not all that unusual..

Yeah it happens, but one year after a contract extension?!? Not to mention passing on THE MAN.

[MadMax]

Starter to backup happens. Harrington. Ramsey. Culpepper (sorta). Brunell. Jeff Garcia a couple of years ago. Not all that unusual..

Benign is right. I won't go down the VY track, because that's done.

But a year after a huge extension to be searching for a backup job somewhere is crazy. I don't know if it's unprecedented, but it's certainly rare.

[Groogrux]

Carr sucks !!!!

From starter to backup.....just wow....

DD

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[weslinder]

Wrong forum.

(You don't know how good that feels.)

[ima_drummer2k]

Wrong forum.

(You don't know how good that feels.)
No kidding. I heard them talking about the workouts the team is having now this morning on the radio. For the first time EVER, there wasn't a David Carr soundbite included in the report.

[Achilleus]

Last night the NFL network was showing some film of a set of rookies from 2002. Mike Williams (the Bills OL fourth pick, 1st round..."Williams is considered by some to be the biggest bust of GM Tom Donahoe's tenure."), David Carr, Joey Harrington, Jeff Hatch (not in the league anymore, I don't think), Josh Robinson (not in the league) and Jeremy Shockey.

[BenignDMD]

Benign is right. I won't go down the VY track, because that's done.

But a year after a huge extension to be searching for a backup job somewhere is crazy. I don't know if it's unprecedented, but it's certainly rare.

I know right. What new information did they find out about Carr this past season? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! He was the same QB he has been since day 1. Why the extension then? This just goes to show you how dumb the Texans management was; hopefully not anymore.

The Texans essentially gave a gigantic contract extension to a back QB. Dumbest personnel move EVER

[texanskan]

Benign is right. I won't go down the VY track, because that's done.

But a year after a huge extension to be searching for a backup job somewhere is crazy. I don't know if it's unprecedented, but it's certainly rare.

Who cares now, we got our man. A traditional pocket passer and a real NFL caliber starting RB.

DC and DW are gone gone gone.

[ima_drummer2k]

Who cares now, we got our man. A traditional pocket passer and a real NFL caliber starting RB.

DC and DW are gone gone gone.
But, but, but, signing Carr was a MISTAKE! It was a mistake!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!

What do you have to say about that?????? Huh????? Huh?!?!?!?

It was a mistake!!!!!!!!!!111

[texanskan]

But, but, but, signing Carr was a MISTAKE! It was a mistake!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!

What do you have to say about that?????? Huh?????

Of course it was but it's gonna work out in the long run, last year we drafted very well and this offseason we landed a guy that IMO can get us to a super bowl.

[Achilleus]

Of course it was but it's gonna work out in the long run, last year we drafted very well and this offseason we landed a guy that IMO can get us to a super bowl.

They drafted really, really well. Demeco Ryans is one of the top two or three players in the entire 2006 draft. We still don't know how good Mario can be, either.

[BenignDMD]

Of course it was but it's gonna work out in the long run, last year we drafted very well and this offseason we landed a guy that IMO can get us to a super bowl.

Possibly, but I am not as optimistic.

Schuab's career numbers

Stat Overview Passing
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Career 84 161 1033 52.2 6.42 59 6 6 12 69.2

.......and yeah, I know he has only been in the league for 3 seasons and has not had an opportunity to start. I want to see how he does this upcoming seaosn before saying I think he can get us to a super bowl.

[msn]

and this offseason we landed a guy that IMO can get us to a super bowl.
In his opinion, too, evidently: I heard a soundbite of his on the radio saying they were poised for a "championship run" and "this is the year". Direct quotes. As much as I want the Texans to succeed, I must admit I laughed out loud. I hope they can finally win 8 or 9--I'd be very pleased with such progress. If they win 10 or 11 or make noise in the playoffs I believe all of Houston will be pleasantly stunned. Heck, even Kubiak and McNair.

[MadMax]

Who cares now, we got our man. A traditional pocket passer and a real NFL caliber starting RB.

DC and DW are gone gone gone.

i don't care from the texans standpoint. i think it's interesting, though. i'm curious as to where the guy who was here for 5 seasons will end up next year and in what role.

[texanskan]

i don't care from the texans standpoint. i think it's interesting, though. i'm curious as to where the guy who was here for 5 seasons will end up next year and in what role.

No I agree with that 100%, I will watch his very close no matter where he goes.

[texanskan]

In his opinion, too, evidently: I heard a soundbite of his on the radio saying they were poised for a "championship run" and "this is the year". Direct quotes. As much as I want the Texans to succeed, I must admit I laughed out loud. I hope they can finally win 8 or 9--I'd be very pleased with such progress. If they win 10 or 11 or make noise in the playoffs I believe all of Houston will be pleasantly stunned. Heck, even Kubiak and McNair.

Kubiak thinks we are gonna win over 10 games, per a conversation overheard at MMP by many people last night.

[ima_drummer2k]

But a year after a huge extension to be searching for a backup job somewhere is crazy. I don't know if it's unprecedented, but it's certainly rare.
In his defense, he could probably get a starting job on a crappy team if he wanted to. But there was an article last week saying he would rather be the backup on a good team, since he's already tried that 'starter on a crappy team' role...and it didn't end well.

[msn]

Kubiak thinks we are gonna win over 10 games, per a conversation overheard at MMP by many people last night.
I hope they do. But, I'll be (pleasantly) surprised.

[weslinder]

Random side info (about another former Texan).

I have heard through the grapevine that Dom Capers is going to be a head coach again, as close to Houston as he could get. At a brand-new college program. My alma mater, Lamar, is (if you believe the rumors) about to announce the return of the football program for the 2009 season. (They've been working toward it for several years.) Apparently, Capers is the coach of choice, because he likes the area and has connections on the Board of Regents.

[ima_drummer2k]

because he likes the area
Who could blame him? Beaumont is such beautiful country.


http://www2.exxonmobil.com/corporate/newsroom/publications/c_ar_01/graphics/chemical/image.jpg

http://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/Public_Images/PublicAffairs/365_BeaumontTX_Aromatics.gif

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2007/20070105_exxonuk.jpg


;)

[VesceySux]

Vince Young.
Reggie Bush.
Julius Peppers.
Charlie Casserly.
Dom Capers.

/Hides behind a rock laughing like a schoolgirl while waiting for the inevitable explosion

[MadMax]

Kubiak thinks we are gonna win over 10 games, per a conversation overheard at MMP by many people last night.

bring it!

i think they'll be MUCH improved. i think they're gonna surprise people here. i'm excited about it.

[ima_drummer2k]

Vince Young.
Reggie Bush.
Julius Peppers.
Charlie Casserly.
Dom Capers.

/Hides behind a rock laughing like a schoolgirl while waiting for the inevitable explosion
I don't understand.

[weslinder]

Who could blame him? Beaumont is such beautiful country.

;)

I actually worked at the plant in the first photo. (ExxonMobil's catalyst plant, really out there, high-tech stuff goes on there. But the third photo is a nuke plant in England. None of those in Beaumont.

But apparently Beaumont gets in your blood. I came back.

[DonnyMost]

I actually worked at the plant in the first photo. (ExxonMobil's catalyst plant, really out there, high-tech stuff goes on there. But the third photo is a nuke plant in England. None of those in Beaumont.

But apparently Beaumont gets in your blood. I came back.

I got out as fast as possible.

total sh*t hole.

About time lamer U brought back football though

[The Real Shady]

I don't understand.

Simple.

Vince Young
Gary Kubiak
Ric Smith
Anna Nicole
George Bush

Duh.

[KingCheetah]

I will root for whatever team Carr ends up with ~ I support him that much as a person and the great QB that he has always been.

[SwoLy-D]

Wrong Forum. DAMN, even I say that sh*t. C'mon... no longer in a Texans' uniform... why not say that...? :D

See, MadMax? I get it, too. :(

I hope Carr proves everyone how wrong they were. Damn you, Offensive Line coaches.

[VesceySux]

I don't understand.

I was hoping to ignite the powder keg (which happens in EVERY Carr thread), but no one bit. This time. I will have my revenge, though.

[tinman]

I will root for whatever team Carr ends up with ~ I support him that much as a person and the great QB that he has always been.
I feel bad for Carr.

The Texans remind of the Memphis Grizzlies or Atlanta Hawks or Golden State Warriors.

You think the players suck, but its the whole organization/team not the player.

Notice how Jason Terry, Boris Diaw 'suddenly' got drastically better once they were out of Atlanta. Same with Mike Bibby. Same with everybody at golden state, Sprewell, Webber, etc

Maybe Carr is way better outside the Texans.

[msn]

I was hoping to ignite the powder keg (which happens in EVERY Carr thread), but no one bit. This time. I will have my revenge, though.
Now that he's gone (as predicted by almost everyone), all the vitriol has settled down. Even the re-vitriol and the re-re-vitriol has begun to settle down.

[Colt45]

Carr signs with Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930) per ESPN.com

Two year deal (no specifics) and he, apparently, won't even compete for the starting job. Delhomme has been named the starter, but looks to be on a pretty short leash.

[MadMax]

Carr signs with Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930) per ESPN.com

Two year deal (no specifics) and he, apparently, won't even compete for the starting job. Delhomme has been named the starter, but looks to be on a pretty short leash.

bye bye.

[garthomps]

Carr signs with Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930) per ESPN.com

Two year deal (no specifics) and he, apparently, won't even compete for the starting job. Delhomme has been named the starter, but looks to be on a pretty short leash.

It gets to me that they simply release him out of goodwill / pity. As if it wasn't enough that they gave him that freakin extension and signing bonus last year. Why couldn't they of held on to him for trade bait . .

per that article above, the following teams had interest in him as well:
seattle
miami
cleveland

just find this unbelievable

[MadMax]

It gets to me that they simply release him out of goodwill / pity. As if it wasn't enough that they gave him that freakin extension and signing bonus last year. Why couldn't they of held on to him for trade bait . .

per that article above, the following teams had interest in him as well:
seattle
miami
cleveland

just find this unbelievable

because no one wanted him enough to make an attractive offer to the Texans. they wanted to trade him before bringing in Schaub...his name was rumored on the block for weeks. there were no takers.

now he's a backup against a relatively young QB who is just a season removed from being a Pro Bowler. in a place where he's not brought in to compete for a starting job at all.

no way a team takes on the kind of contract he had for that kind of player.

[Achilleus]

It gets to me that they simply release him out of goodwill / pity. As if it wasn't enough that they gave him that freakin extension and signing bonus last year. Why couldn't they of held on to him for trade bait . .

per that article above, the following teams had interest in him as well:
seattle
miami
cleveland

just find this unbelievable

It was because of his contract. Did you want them to "restructure" it while he was here at the end, then try to trade him?

[SwoLy-D]

tinman, how about the Los Angeles Clippers? Their lone appearances in the playoffs were the only times they were good. We took them out, just like we'll take out the Panthers. AGAIN.

In five seasons with the Texans, he completed 1,243 of 2,070 passes for 13,391 yards, with 59 touchdown passes and 65 interceptions, and a passer rating of 75.3. But Carr was the most-sacked quarterback in the league during his tenure with the Texans. Playing behind one of the league's most porous offensive lines, he was sacked a remarkable 249 times. Funny. The Texans' management didn't think their offensive line was porous... they decided to get rid of Carr instead... :rolleyes:

[MadMax]

Funny. The Texans' management didn't think their offensive line was porous... they decided to get rid of Carr instead... :rolleyes:

yeah..huge mistake. Carr is so awesome.

[DaDakota]

I can't believe anyone would be defending this guy.....he was the number 1 pick and now the only job he can get is a BACKUP QB, to Jake Delhoume.....

ROFLOL !!!

The Texan's will be better this year and maybe Carr can get a fresh start.

DD

[SwoLy-D]

yeah..huge mistake. Carr is so awesome.:o

One of these days I am going to write a nasty letter to the NFL and have them start stats on what offensive lineman was the one to release his DE to allow a sack. Only then will the true story of the sack be told from the eyes of the... oh, what the hell, it's not even worth it... he's gone now. :(

[MadMax]

:o

One of these days I am going to write a nasty letter to the NFL and have them start stats on what offensive lineman was the one to release his DE to allow a sack. Only then will the true story of the sack be told from the eyes of the... oh, what the hell, it's not even worth it... he's gone now. :(

dude, he's a backup now. no one wanted him at his price. his problems go beyond the OL.

[DaDakota]

dude, he's a backup now. no one wanted him at his price. his problems go beyond the OL.

EXACTLY !!!

Some of the sacks are because of a bad line, some of the sacks are because he is a bad QB.

DD

[updawg]

wow, so he signed to be a backup. Probably a good move on his part, I don't think he has it to be a starter in this league.

[SwoLy-D]

EXACTLY !!!

Some of the sacks are because of a bad line, some of the sacks are because he is a bad QB.

DDSo... give a percentage. Be fair. :cool:

[DaDakota]

So... give a percentage. Be fair. :cool:

I really can't give a percentage. There is no way to accuratly do that. Lots of times the line just fell apart, but lots of times he held the ball too long, or failed to simply throw it away.

What does it matter, he is gone, the rest of the NFL had their chance at him and only backup positions were available, that speaks volumes to anything you or I could say.

DD

[MadMax]

So... give a percentage. Be fair. :cool:

John McLain reported after the 2005 season that the Texans believed that Carr was responsible for over 1/4 of the sacks.

The real problem to me wasn't that..but that he was making incredibly bad/stupid mistakes even when there wasn't pressure.

[SwoLy-D]

That TITANS' game sorta started it all, MadMax. Those were blatantly obvious... TRIPLE-COVERED pass into interception. :(

Well, DaDa, you can STILL talk about a player, whether with or without the Texans, here in the BBS, but please don't say "what does it matter..." it makes it seems like you never cared or never will care. Let it be in the correct form, mods, please. :(

[DaDakota]

That TITANS' game sorta started it all, MadMax. Those were blatantly obvious... TRIPLE-COVERED pass into interception. :(

Well, DaDa, you can STILL talk about a player, whether with or without the Texans, here in the BBS, but please don't say "what does it matter..." it makes it seems like you never cared or never will care. Let it be in the correct form, mods, please. :(

No no Swoly, I don't mind the discussion, I just think Carr has been beaten to death in the NFL, partly his fault, partly the lines.

And, I am truly frustrated that the team reached this conclusion one year too late.

But, I am happy that the Texan's finally made the call, released him, and got someone new in here to take the reigns.

Carr was a class act in Houston, but he never felt like a leader or a winner...he was too laid back for my taste.....

DD

[MadMax]

That TITANS' game sorta started it all, MadMax. Those were blatantly obvious... TRIPLE-COVERED pass into interception. :(

Well, DaDa, you can STILL talk about a player, whether with or without the Texans, here in the BBS, but please don't say "what does it matter..." it makes it seems like you never cared or never will care. Let it be in the correct form, mods, please. :(

No, the Cleveland Browns game in 2004 started it all. That's when the honeymoon was officially over. That' why it was so frustrating for many of us to see them commit to DC for the long term.

Actually that wasn't triple-coverage vs. the Titans...it was quadruple coverage. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen by a QB in my life.

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

Speaking of the Browns....Hey Bernie Kosar was a starting QB with the Browns back in the day and then became a backup QB for the Cowboys where he ended up with a ring. Carr might just have the same chance an opportunity. Carr=Kosar

[MadMax]

Speaking of the Browns....Hey Bernie Kosar was a starting QB with the Browns back in the day and then became a backup QB for the Cowboys where he ended up with a ring. Carr might just have the same chance an opportunity. Carr=Kosar

Kosar was a far better QB than anything we've seen from David Carr at the pro level.

[Faos]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4693416.html

Carr signs two-year deal as backup with Panthers

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle



After visiting Carolina and Seattle this week, former Texans quarterback David Carr has agreed to a contract with the Panthers to back up Jake Delhomme.

The Charlotte Observer reported that Carr’s deal is for two years.

Carr replaces Chris Weinke, who was released after a season in which he played poorly and was 1-2 as a starter after Delhomme suffered a thumb injury. The Panthers also brought in Joey Harrington for an interview before deciding on Carr.

The Texans play at Carolina this season. Although Carr will go to camp as the backup, because Delhomme was inconsistent last season and often under fire from fans and media, there already is speculation in Charlotte that Carr could push for a starting job.

Once the Texans decided to go in another direction from Carr, the first pick in franchise history and a five-year starter, they traded for Atlanta quarterback Matt Schaub.

Carr became an unrestricted free agent after he asked for and got his release from the Texans.

Carr started 75 games for the Texans and won 23 of them, including one in which he came off the bench to pull out a victory. He was sacked 249 times. Last season, his first and only season under coach Gary Kubiak, Carr completed a career-high 68.3 percent of his passes.

The Panthers believe Carr will play better when he gets an opportunity because they'll provide him with solid pass protection.

[tinman]

the texan's former starter becomes a backup QB.
the texan's sign Atlanta's backup QB to become a starter.

[MadMax]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4693416.html

Carr signs two-year deal as backup with Panthers

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle



After visiting Carolina and Seattle this week, former Texans quarterback David Carr has agreed to a contract with the Panthers to back up Jake Delhomme.

The Charlotte Observer reported that Carr’s deal is for two years.

Carr replaces Chris Weinke, who was released after a season in which he played poorly and was 1-2 as a starter after Delhomme suffered a thumb injury. The Panthers also brought in Joey Harrington for an interview before deciding on Carr.

The Texans play at Carolina this season. Although Carr will go to camp as the backup, because Delhomme was inconsistent last season and often under fire from fans and media, there already is speculation in Charlotte that Carr could push for a starting job.

Once the Texans decided to go in another direction from Carr, the first pick in franchise history and a five-year starter, they traded for Atlanta quarterback Matt Schaub.

Carr became an unrestricted free agent after he asked for and got his release from the Texans.

Carr started 75 games for the Texans and won 23 of them, including one in which he came off the bench to pull out a victory. He was sacked 249 times. Last season, his first and only season under coach Gary Kubiak, Carr completed a career-high 68.3 percent of his passes.

The Panthers believe Carr will play better when he gets an opportunity because they'll provide him with solid pass protection.

you're about 4 hours late. :D

[msn]

the Packers' former starter becomes a backup QB.
the Packers sign Atlanta's backup QB to become a starter.
Fixed it. :D

[Smokey]

Andre Johnson was funny on 13 sports last night. He said Carr didn't learn how to make reads until last year. The Capers crew just "told him where to throw it."

[Achilleus]

I wonder if the Panthers signed Carr so they could say they have the first two players picked in the 2002 draft.

Carr
Peppers

[tinman]

Ah dudes,
the funniest thing on NFL Radio on Sirius. I was driving and listening and they were talking about Carr going to the Panthers.
This Panther fan calls up and says " I can't believe we got GREG LUGAINIS!! as QB"
I couldnt stop laughing.

[DaDakota]

Ah dudes,
the funniest thing on NFL Radio on Sirius. I was driving and listening and they were talking about Carr going to the Panthers.
This Panther fan calls up and says " I can't believe we got GREG LUGAINIS!! as QB"
I couldnt stop laughing.

ROFLMAO !!!

DD

[thunderkyss]

It was because of his contract. Did you want them to "restructure" it while he was here at the end, then try to trade him?


The truth is, while McNair was doing his best to be a nice guy, David was being a buttwipe. It would have helped McNair save a little face, to get a second day pick out of the deal.

If David felt half as grateful as he should($35mill is a lot of jack) he should have dealt with the Texans & worked out a trade.

I'm sure teams like the Dolphins, Carolina & Seattle offered a 6th, but they were going to need David to restructure. & David balked.

[swilkins]

The truth is, while McNair was doing his best to be a nice guy, David was being a buttwipe. It would have helped McNair save a little face, to get a second day pick out of the deal.

If David felt half as grateful as he should($35mill is a lot of jack) he should have dealt with the Texans & worked out a trade.

I'm sure teams like the Dolphins, Carolina & Seattle offered a 6th, but they were going to need David to restructure. & David balked.

That's quite an imagination.

I still think it's funny that #8 replaced #8. There are going to be so many modified Carr jerseys, the NFL will have to show it. :D