The Brad Lidge "Well Wishes" Thread

[Kam]

You saw what happen.

have at it.

Brad, you had some great stuff. You tore it up.

When we sent Dotel off, you came in and kicked ass.

Now you suck.


k, thx bye!

[LonghornFan]

All you job are belong to me. By June.

Sin,

Dan Wheeler.

[finalsbound]

I wish you the best, Brad.

[tested911]

Jesus wtf is up with this guy.. After Pujol ripped him a new one a couple of years ago this dude is a shell of his former self.. Can someone donate some manly nuts to him? GOD I wish we traded someting for him in the off-season.

[v3.0]

His new moniker is now Lit Up Lidge.

[TMac640]

I know it's been discussed 500000000000 times.

but really, did the pujols shot ruin lidge THAT much??

somehow, i still fail to buy that "copout" card of well pujols ruined lidge, therefore he can't pitch anymore.

i forget how lidge was before that series, but wasn't he lights out?

[rodrick_98]

is it june 1st yet?

[russian88]

LOL.....Lidge just sucks. Get rid of this pos.

[BrieflySpeaking]

lidge was struggling before the pujols moon shot

[Achilleus]

I know it's been discussed 500000000000 times.

but really, did the pujols shot ruin lidge THAT much??

somehow, i still fail to buy that "copout" card of well pujols ruined lidge, therefore he can't pitch anymore.

i forget how lidge was before that series, but wasn't he lights out?

I think people just caught on to his stuff. It started before that hit.

[JunkyardDwg]

I know it's been discussed 500000000000 times.

but really, did the pujols shot ruin lidge THAT much??

somehow, i still fail to buy that "copout" card of well pujols ruined lidge, therefore he can't pitch anymore.

i forget how lidge was before that series, but wasn't he lights out?

I'm betting it's less to do with that one incident and more to do with the fallout from that and his mechancis as well. Already struggling with his mechanics and facing constant reminders of that moment, constant criticism, being under the microscope since that time...it's like quicksand for him.

In the grand scheme of things the Pujols shot really amounted to nothing, considering the team won that series. But ever since, he's had to walk out on the mound with the thought of an entire city wondering if he'll blow it again.

[Fegwu]

Best wishes Brad.

All the best in your new career as a bull rider.

[rodrick_98]

Somebody start a Chad Qualls "Well Wishes" Thread

[russian88]

Get rid of him too lol

[Poloshirtbandit]

haha

Where's that Photoshop the pain thread?

[Oski2005]

We should just combine these into a thread called "Bullpen? More like Bullsh*t"

[SWTsig]

I can't take another season of this.

Sincerely,

SWTsig

:(

[BrieflySpeaking]

me too, im already throwing my damn remote across the living room, just the way we lost, the way the final out was, had to be a line drive the pitcher and of course, he caught it

[LonghornFan]

Dear Comcast and MLB,

Please get the Extra Innings deal done tonight so that I can watch other games besides those here. I just found out Saturday that I cannot get Direct TV here and I cannot take watching Brad Lidge anymore. I need other options.

Your friend-ONLY if you can pull it off,

LonghornFan.

[br0ken_shad0w]

I know it's been discussed 500000000000 times.

but really, did the pujols shot ruin lidge THAT much??

somehow, i still fail to buy that "copout" card of well pujols ruined lidge, therefore he can't pitch anymore.

i forget how lidge was before that series, but wasn't he lights out?

It wasn't that incident that made him fall apart since he was struggling before that. The Pujols shot just magnified and dramaticized everything that was wrong with Lidge at that point.

And Lidge was not lights out during that series. In Game 3 he gave a double to a bench player. In Game 4 he completely fell apart (at one point it was man on third with no outs) and it took lucky bounces and unlikely plays to salvage a win. And we saw what happened in Game 5.

[DOMINATOR]

low inside pitch right where ausmus wanted it, nady just got a good rip on it.

im just mad astros couldnt get at least 1 more run so roy would get the W.

[Smokey]

Closer is probably the most mental position in pro sports...along with quarterback.

Lidge is damaged goods.

[Furious Jam]

As a fan, I'm just not interested in seeing Lidge anymore.

You ask me, he needs two months in the minor without any pressure.

[BrieflySpeaking]

Lidge is going to have pressure anywhere he pitches

[TMac640]

I think people just caught on to his stuff. It started before that hit.

Maybe, but pitchers get figured out all the time after they come up from the minors. They invent new ways of pitching, new counts to throw different pitches in to constantly stay ahead of that dreaded "scouting report".

Why couldn't lidge tweak his pitches and work it out to where the batter couldn't call what pitch lidge was throwing every time?

[chrish23]

This not a surprise to anyone except the Astros themselves. We all saw Lidge couldn't get it together last year, and he can't this year. Time to put him in the OF and slap a big R. Ankiel on the back of his jersey. Wheeler by April 3rd.

[Smokey]

He needs to go back to setup. He's done as a closer IMO.

[Kam]

On talk radio, Steve Francis was "the man."

"the man," was David Carr.

Now that David Carr is gone, who is "the man?"

Is it Brad Lidge or Rafer, or somebody else.

[percicles]

We had some great times.

Now please get on that homerun ball you gave up to Puljos in the NLCS and don't come back.

[texanskan]

F you "Round Rock Lidge"

[texanskan]

I have said this a hundred times, the Astros aint doing **** this season.

We have tons of holes and a triple A manager and a triple A closer

[Baqui99]

Brad, you are a worthless piece of garbage.

[King of 40 Acres]

Lidge is on suicide watch tonight.

[Achilleus]

I think we should give Lidge another season, and see if he can come around.

:)

[Storm Surge]

give Lidge a second chance....











...in AAA

[BrieflySpeaking]

I think we should give Lidge another season, and see if he can come around.

:)
thats like giving ur gf the third chance after shes cheated on you twice..

[franchise?..NOT]

Trade him or send him to the minors and let him pitch his way back. We fans pay to see professional major leaguers. Time to stop giving this guy the ball and hopeing.

[Kam]

I think we should give Lidge another season, and see if he can come around.

:)


It's not Brad Lidge's fault.

he just needs better set up men, and some guys to score some runs for him.

[weslinder]

Keep Lidge!!!










(But give the closer's job to Wheeler, and only use Lidge with a really short leash.)

[Lil Francis]

Wheeler is all we got in the bullpen

[Storm Surge]

Bring back Miceli and Saarloos, LOL.

[Kam]

Nuts.

I love the "well wishes" theme.

[BrieflySpeaking]

whyd they change the thread name?

[rodrick_98]

the question is, as kam said, right now who is hated more?

Rafer or Lidge?

[Nice Rollin]

brad lidge is funny!

[tested911]

thats like giving ur gf the third chance after shes cheated on you twice..

So what your saying is that there is a chance? :D

[BrieflySpeaking]

So what your saying is that there is a chance? :D
hell no, not with me :)

[tested911]

Ok so lets get Hunter Pence up here allready... Because it looks like this team has to be able to put on average 5-6 runs a game in order to compete :) And why the F%#k is No Hitt Everett batting 2nd?

[Lil Francis]

the question is, as kam said, right now who is hated more?

Rafer or Lidge?Lidge is. Rafer just sucks and is just doing the best he can while Lidge had talent and it flew away to the moon right next to Pujols' homerun.

[Hammer755]

For those calling for the immediate promotion of Wheeler, he was barely a couple feet away from being the goat and giving up the go-ahead homer to the only batter he faced.

[BrieflySpeaking]

Lidge is. Rafer just sucks and is just doing the best he can while Lidge had talent and it flew away to the moon right next to Pujols' homerun.
lmao...

[VesceySux]

It's not Brad Lidge's fault.

he just needs better set up men, and some guys to score some runs for him.

Outstanding job, Kam. The "Carr Defense" strikes again.

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

is Brad Lidge the equivalent to Nick Anderson of the Orlando Magic....

the guy was never the same after missing 4 Free throws during the 1994 NBA Finals againts the Rockets!

Is Brad Lidge the new Nick Anderson?

[Rule0001]

Maybe, but pitchers get figured out all the time after they come up from the minors. They invent new ways of pitching, new counts to throw different pitches in to constantly stay ahead of that dreaded "scouting report".

Why couldn't lidge tweak his pitches and work it out to where the batter couldn't call what pitch lidge was throwing every time?

Or at least have it so that the batter isn't calling his shot before every pitch.

[Cannonball]

"Round Rock Lidge"
I like it. :D

[tigermission1]

Jesus wtf is up with this guy.. After Pujol ripped him a new one a couple of years ago this dude is a shell of his former self.. Can someone donate some manly nuts to him? GOD I wish we traded someting for him in the off-season.

He's mentally weak, that's all. He was already beginning to slide, and I think the 'Pujols moment' was the capper, so to spea.

MJ said something along the lines of, "the game is 70% mental"...he was right.

In reality, very few athletes are 'unshakable' or are the types to easily overcome a 'traumatic' experience.

That's why I was dying for the Astros to trade him early on last season, I just knew the guy was never going to be the same again, I could see the fear in his eyes. In fact, I think it would be BEST for Brad Lidge himself to have a change of scenery, may be that will free his mind again and give him a chance to concentrate on baseball and only baseball.

[Kam]

What sucks the most about all of this is that Lidge is a damn good guy. You never hear things about him, atleast I've never read anything negative about him.

He has mental issues that he needs to sort out. It may not be in Houston where he sorts them out.

I wish him the best.

[Refman]

low inside pitch right where ausmus wanted it, nady just got a good rip on it.

im just mad astros couldnt get at least 1 more run so roy would get the W.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. Lidge didn't hang the ball up in the zone. Ausmus made a target, Lidge hit it, and Nady hit it really hard.

I am not the biggest Lidge fan in the world, but it doesn't look to me like that one was his fault.

What is more disturbing is that once Lidge gets into trouble like that, he falls to pieces. Right after that homer, Lidge started serving them up.

[bigbodymoe]

Dear Comcast and MLB,

Please get the Extra Innings deal done tonight so that I can watch other games besides those here. I just found out Saturday that I cannot get Direct TV here and I cannot take watching Brad Lidge anymore. I need other options.

Your friend-ONLY if you can pull it off,

LonghornFan.
Dear LonghornFan,

We are Aggies...Could you eloquently kiss our ass

With utmost respect,
Comcast and MLB

:D

[DOMINATOR]

Ok so lets get Hunter Pence up here allready... Because it looks like this team has to be able to put on average 5-6 runs a game in order to compete :) And why the F%#k is No Hitt Everett batting 2nd?
ideally its a good idea if burke is the leadoff hitter because this way pitchers will attack him and throw strikes so they dont have a man on with berkman/lee coming up. plus everett is a fast guy. BUT since biggio is the leadoff hitter for the time being the easy inning is the one where 8,9,1,2 hitters are up. no offense to biggio.
i also think Lee was trying too hard tonight... he had some really aggresive swings and shouldnt have even swung at that ball in the dirt when everett/berkman were on base. so lee just needs to relax.
lidge was unlucky and qualls i knew he would give up that HR... he just didnt look confident or something.

[dandorotik]

Was today the 1st game of the season?
There are 162 games in the season, right?

Just curious, wasn't sure. Since I'm very unfamiliar with baseball, I figured that I'd just check on here to find out. So, I was assuming after reading the comments that I must have missed something and we must be close to 1/2 way through the season.

Those of you who know baseball, please correct me if I'm wrong- it IS the first game of the season, right? And there ARE 161 left in the Major Baseball League? Thanks in advance.

[htownballa23]

Was today the 1st game of the season?
There are 162 games in the season, right?

Just curious, wasn't sure. Since I'm very unfamiliar with baseball, I figured that I'd just check on here to find out. So, I was assuming after reading the comments that I must have missed something and we must be close to 1/2 way through the season.

Those of you who know baseball, please correct me if I'm wrong- it IS the first game of the season, right? And there ARE 161 left in the Major Baseball League? Thanks in advance.

Thats true but we did miss out last year by only 1 1/2 games. So a game like this could definately make a difference.

[hatemavs4life]

His new moniker is now Lit Up Lidge.

Yep, the new math if your first game of the season is bad why even bother playing the rest of the games. Good god! :rolleyes:

[hatemavs4life]

Brad, you are a worthless piece of garbage.

Classy. :rolleyes:

[hatemavs4life]

Lidge is on suicide watch tonight.

Dude, get real! :rolleyes:

[bigbodymoe]

Classy. :rolleyes:
Brad Lidge??? :D
I kid I kid

[Kam]

Go ahead and bust out the tombstone NOW, please.

[Luckyazn]

HOW MANY MORE GAMES DOES LIDGE HAVE TO BLOW!!



before Garner REALIZE he SUCKS NOW!

[Hmm]

HOW MANY MORE GAMES DOES LIDGE HAVE TO BLOW!!



before Garner REALIZE he SUCKS NOW!


According to Garner: "Sometimes he'll give up 4 in one game, and then save 30 straight."

He had this very yeah-this-happens-but-I've-never-been-more-confident-in-him approach to his comments after the game.

It didn't sound like "Lidge sucks" had ever crossed his mind in his evaluation. It sounded like Garner had another two seasons worth of patience/"faith" with Lidge as the closer and his go-to pitcher in pressure situations..

Garner's a "gut feeling" manager.. and this all looks like an 'I believe in miracles' blindly emotional based decision. That he just believes Lidge is going to turn it around any day now, and return to his former glory aslong as he keeps using him in the 9th without sway or doubt, season after season, until he finally turns it around or he loses his job.

[Angle02]

Yep, the new math if your first game of the season is bad why even bother playing the rest of the games. Good god! :rolleyes:
Ugh...dont know what games you've been watching....but Lidge has been like this for over a year now. Not just last night.

[BenignDMD]

Go ahead and bust out the tombstone NOW, please.

Yeah, the time has come but, I really want the guy to do well. I want to him to become lights out again, and think he will, BUT he is running out of time :mad:

Why don't they just send him down to the minors to save some games there? Let him run off 8-10 straight saves there, work out his mechanics issues, and try to dominate again. Granted it is the minors, however doing well there may bring his confidence back :confused:

[tested911]

Was today the 1st game of the season?
There are 162 games in the season, right?

Just curious, wasn't sure. Since I'm very unfamiliar with baseball, I figured that I'd just check on here to find out. So, I was assuming after reading the comments that I must have missed something and we must be close to 1/2 way through the season.

Those of you who know baseball, please correct me if I'm wrong- it IS the first game of the season, right? And there ARE 161 left in the Major Baseball League? Thanks in advance.

LOL I was waiting for someone to say something like this.... Of course it's 1st game of the season but it's not like his troubles just started yesterday... They started before the first game of LAST season ... Do you not remember earlier last season when Lidge struggled people were saying the same thing??? And half the people on this board were saying give him a chance blah blah blah.. Well how many chances do we give this guy? We have given him more then 1 Full season and two Spring Trainings and 2 vacations to work on his game.... Please get rid of Carr woops I meant Lidge :D

[NJRocket]

I'll say this....he needs to be on a VERY short leash.

I dont know about the rest of you guys, but i was watching that last inning as if I was expecting something like that to happen....and frankly, they almost scored again and ended it in regulation.

I think he needs a new home, fresh start or whatever....but this isnt a one time thing...its getting old. That wasnt Albert Pujols....or even Hunter Pence....it was Xavier freakin Nady.

What is also getting old is his "i felt good...i made a good pitch....im ok" postgame rant. What the hell else is he gonna say??? You think he is going to say "well, i think my head is basically mush...and i have no idea how get a tough out anymore." ?????

I can picture Roger's face watching that last night and him having major Deja Vu.

Makes you really appreciate how friggin unbelievable Mariano Rivera really is....that he is still able to mow guys down

[DaDakota]

Makes you really appreciate how friggin unbelievable Mariano Rivera really is....that he is still able to mow guys down

He has more than 2 pitches, and more importantly movement on his fastball.

Lidge's fastball looks a lot like Astacio's these days !

DD

[NJRocket]

He has more than 2 pitches, and more importantly movement on his fastball.

Lidge's fastball looks a lot like Astacio's these days !

DD


but even more than that is the fact that Mariano threw the ball away on a pickoff attempt into CF and then gave up a WS winning blooper in Game 7.....and he has never looked back. It takes a special make up to be a closer for longer than a couple seasons.

[kaleidosky]

He has more than 2 pitches, and more importantly movement on his fastball.

Lidge's fastball looks a lot like Astacio's these days !

DD

seriously...and that damn slider has been up way too often for the last 2 1/2 years. Though I'm stlil gonna advocate Lidge closing games a bit longer.. but yeah, 96-98 mph has come down to 92-94.. and the slider has come up..

[MadMax]

The season is over, again?

wow...early this year.

[NJRocket]

The season is over, again?

wow...early this year.


Oh cmon Max....no one is saying that the season is over. (at least im not)

How much confidence do you have in Lidge in a big spot right now?

[MadMax]

Oh cmon Max....no one is saying that the season is over. (at least im not)

How much confidence do you have in Lidge in a big spot right now?

read through this thread and tell me it doesn't sound just like the stupid-ass threads in the GARM the day after the Rockets lost their first game of the season.

i love posts about what trends will be in the season based on the first game...particularly in baseball where they play 162 of them. "this team better score 5-6 runs a game to win!!"

good show, hoopsters.

[NJRocket]

read through this thread and tell me it doesn't sound just like the stupid-ass threads in the GARM the day after the Rockets lost their first game of the season.

i .

fair enuf...i didnt read thru them...i was just commenting on Lidge...i assumed that was the thread was about given what happened last nite

[MadMax]

what i can gather from last night's game, per ClutchFans logic:

1. Lidge will give up a HR every time he throws;

2. Qualls isn't nearly as good as we thought from his pitching in the umpteen other innings we've seen him...because in that one inning, he gave up runs...so he'll give up runs every time out'

3. The only reliever we have is Dan Wheeler;

4. Chris Burke will hit 324 doubles this season while batting .500;

5. I'm sorry to report that apparently Carlos Lee won't get a hit all season.

[VesceySux]

Question: Has a once-dominant closer ever regained his stuff after losing it (either physically, due to injury or age, or mentally)? Hopefully, there is precedent. I'm trying to think.

[tested911]

what i can gather from last night's game, per ClutchFans logic:

1. Lidge will give up a HR every time he throws;

2. Qualls isn't nearly as good as we thought from his pitching in the umpteen other innings we've seen him...because in that one inning, he gave up runs...so he'll give up runs every time out'

3. The only reliever we have is Dan Wheeler;

4. Chris Burke will hit 324 doubles this season while batting .500;

5. I'm sorry to report that apparently Carlos Lee won't get a hit all season.

MadMax I think your getting off the beaten path here man.. This thread is about Lidge now about the Astros Organization...

[rhester]

" David Carr is our starting QB"

"Brad Lidge is our closer"

[Zac D]

Question: Has a once-dominant closer ever regained his stuff after losing it (either physically, due to injury or age, or mentally)? Hopefully, there is precedent. I'm trying to think.

You could make the argument for Jose Mesa.

[MadMax]

MadMax I think your getting off the beaten path here man.. This thread is about Lidge now about the Astros Organization...

read through this thread, again. the comments aren't limited to Lidge...and we have a couple that talk about, "see...i told you the astros wouldn't do anything!!" based off this one game.

this happens every year with the 'stros here. hell, it happened to the rockets this year after the first game in the GARM. comical.

[Oski2005]

what i can gather from last night's game, per ClutchFans logic:

1. Lidge will give up a HR every time he throws;

2. Qualls isn't nearly as good as we thought from his pitching in the umpteen other innings we've seen him...because in that one inning, he gave up runs...so he'll give up runs every time out'

3. The only reliever we have is Dan Wheeler;

4. Chris Burke will hit 324 doubles this season while batting .500;

5. I'm sorry to report that apparently Carlos Lee won't get a hit all season.

Sometimes even you get annoying MadMax. People are pissed, but nobody really believes the season is already over. This is about Lidge. He was struggling before Pujols launched that comet, struggled all last season, struggled during Spring Training, and sure enough he opens the season with a piss poor performance where even his strikeout was questionable and up in the zone. It's just one loss for the Astros, but for Lidge, last night was not just another game. It was a just as high a pressure situation as pitching deep in the season to win a playoff spot or even pitching in a playoff game because he's been crap for a while now and he's trying to prove he's still the man. That pressure flattened him. Last season he pretty muched did everything to shorten his leash and if he can't keep the ball in the park, then Garner better yank him in the first month.

[rezdawg]

Max, there may be a few here that were talking about an issue other than Lidge, but the vast majority of us are purely discussing our once dominant closer.

No, the Astros season isnt over. Not even close.

However, Brad Lidge is done. Its not just reacting to this one game...its been over a year's worth of him sucking. Its not a knee-jerk reaction. Brad Lidge sucks now and his career as a closer for the Astros is nearing an end.

[Roxfan73]

what i can gather from last night's game, per ClutchFans logic:

1. Lidge will give up a HR every time he throws;

2. Qualls isn't nearly as good as we thought from his pitching in the umpteen other innings we've seen him...because in that one inning, he gave up runs...so he'll give up runs every time out'

3. The only reliever we have is Dan Wheeler;

4. Chris Burke will hit 324 doubles this season while batting .500;

5. I'm sorry to report that apparently Carlos Lee won't get a hit all season.

You forgot that Hunter Pence will hit .500 with 80 HR and 180 RBI's, but Fatass is too stoopid and loves Jason Lane too much.

[MadMax]

Sometimes even you get annoying MadMax. People are pissed, but nobody really believes the season is already over. This is about Lidge.

1. no doubt i get annoying. ask my family.

2. ummm...i have no problem with criticizing lidge for last night's game...but this isn't just "about Lidge." and those are the posts i'm talking about..all from THIS thread:

Somebody start a Chad Qualls "Well Wishes" Thread


I have said this a hundred times, the Astros aint doing **** this season.

Wheeler is all we got in the bullpen

Ok so lets get Hunter Pence up here allready... Because it looks like this team has to be able to put on average 5-6 runs a game in order to compete And why the F%#k is No Hitt Everett batting 2nd?


It's one game, guys. 161 to go. We may suck. We may win a bunch of games. I promise you, you can't extrapolate from one game how the season will go for any one player.

[MadMax]

You forgot that Hunter Pence will hit .500 with 80 HR and 180 RBI's, but Fatass is too stoopid and loves Jason Lane too much.

right. because he did it against the aces in spring training who were pitching their hearts out to capture the much-coveted Grapefruit League Champs moniker. :D

[JeopardE]

1 game out 162. Man, it's going to be a long season.

[BigSherv]

You know what will make everything better?

A d1ck in a box!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA


1 game out 162. Man, it's going to be a long season.

[DieHard Rocket]

Seriously, can we give Nieve a chance in the late innings?

All he ever saw last year was some long relief.

[texanskan]

Well I don't know about y'all but I was telling folks around me that he was gonna blow it and then when it happened I just started to laugh (oh I was pissed as hell but what can you do). I mean what's wrong with some people I was getting dirty looks and some woman told me not to come if I was gonna be negative (I just told her to "turn around sweetheart were at a baseball game, bless your little heart").

The guy is done, he has been figured out and he is a mental midget. Everyone needs to bring signs in and boo him whenever he is in the game. Last year we supported him after the rockey 05 playoffs and he blew it. It's time for him to go.

F You Lidge and don't let the door hit you in the a$$.

Also that stupid triple A manger did not help us out with the lineup he put out there nor his in game moves.

[texanskan]

Seriously, can we give Nieve a chance in the late innings?

All he ever saw last year was some long relief.

All for that

[Blake]

Lidge, once again, choked. However, it's only one game and we have 161 more to go. If he continues to struggle, then yeah, make him a middle reliever for a while.

But one bad outing does not make a bad season. I know this is probably wishful thinking, but I think he can turn it around. And if he can't, then adios

It's only one game...the Stros have not shown anything yet

[Cannonball]

I dont know about the rest of you guys, but i was watching that last inning as if I was expecting something like that to happen

I think everyone was. That's why the boo birds came out almost immediately.

[Cannonball]

seriously...and that damn slider has been up way too often for the last 2 1/2 years. Though I'm stlil gonna advocate Lidge closing games a bit longer.. but yeah, 96-98 mph has come down to 92-94.. and the slider has come up..
To be fair to Lidge, he has been throwing a cut fastball which is slower than his 4-seamer. He was getting up to 96 last night and it's my assumption that the 91-92 MPH pitches were the cut fastball.

[HillBoy]

read through this thread, again. the comments aren't limited to Lidge...and we have a couple that talk about, "see...i told you the astros wouldn't do anything!!" based off this one game.

this happens every year with the 'stros here. hell, it happened to the rockets this year after the first game in the GARM. comical.
Comical? Perhaps, but what I think this is about is the fact that last night was a continuation of what Lidge did in Spring Training which was a continuation of what Lidge did last year so it's not like what happened last night should have come as a surprise to the Astro organization. I confess that I watched this game and I just knew that Lidge was going to give up that lead. Once that happened, it ceased feeling like opening night to me but more like game 163 of 2006.

The other thing that PO's folks is the steadfast support for Lidge being the closer by Garner & Purpura despite what is looking like a mountain of evidence to the contrary. I mean seriously - it took him 26 pitches to get out of the inning. If that's not an indication of trouble, then I just don't know what trouble really means. I think it serves no purpose to keep sending him out there in the blind hope that somehow things will be different this time.

[HillBoy]

You know what will make everything better?

A d1ck in a box!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA
ROTFLMAO!!! No you didn't go there!

[TMac640]

What is also getting old is his "i felt good...i made a good pitch....im ok" postgame rant. What the hell else is he gonna say??? You think he is going to say "well, i think my head is basically mush...and i have no idea how get a tough out anymore." ?????

I can picture Roger's face watching that last night and him having major Deja Vu.



i nearly died laughing when i heard that.

and then when qualls topped it off with "brad made a good pitch, nady just hit a good pitch... etc etc etc"

since when does a fastball right down the middle equal a good pitch? oh right, maybe we should ask the home run king, QUALLS.

I know you don't throw your teammates under the bus, but for Christ's sake, how do they sleep at night with the bull**** that comes out in the postgame interviews? lol

[TMac640]

You know what will make everything better?

A d1ck in a box!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA


****in hilarious lol

[NJRocket]

i nearly died laughing when i heard that.

and then when qualls topped it off with "brad made a good pitch, nady just hit a good pitch... etc etc etc"



BTW - i was watching on TV (had to miss it live due to 1st night of Passover) and when they showed Nolan Ryan, he looked very uncomfy watching Lidge....almost as if he was just hoping nothing bad happened (as was I) instead of a look that said "ok, Brad, show em what u got"

I think if Lidge wants to help the ballclub, he needs to come out in one of those postgames interviews and say " u know what guys, im trying but if there is someone else like Wheels or whoever who can do this, I'm all for it"

[kaleidosky]

Well I don't know about y'all but I was telling folks around me that he was gonna blow it and then when it happened I just started to laugh (oh I was pissed as hell but what can you do). I mean what's wrong with some people I was getting dirty looks and some woman told me not to come if I was gonna be negative (I just told her to "turn around sweetheart were at a baseball game, bless your little heart").

The guy is done, he has been figured out and he is a mental midget. Everyone needs to bring signs in and boo him whenever he is in the game. Last year we supported him after the rockey 05 playoffs and he blew it. It's time for him to go.

F You Lidge and don't let the door hit you in the a$$.

Also that stupid triple A manger did not help us out with the lineup he put out there nor his in game moves.


Wow, you predicted a negative result. Amazing. So if it happens, you're right. If it doesn't, you're happy cause we won. Good job assuring that you'll look/feel good. Just like with pretty much every word out of your mouth (keyboard) about the astros for this season

[texanskan]

Wow, you predicted a negative result. Amazing. So if it happens, you're right. If it doesn't, you're happy cause we won. Good job assuring that you'll look/feel good. Just like with pretty much every word out of your mouth (keyboard) about the astros for this season

Go Astros!

If Lidge can't do it Go Wheeler or Nieve or whoever they make the closer

[kaleidosky]

read through this thread, again. the comments aren't limited to Lidge...and we have a couple that talk about, "see...i told you the astros wouldn't do anything!!" based off this one game.

this happens every year with the 'stros here. hell, it happened to the rockets this year after the first game in the GARM. comical.


Max, I was reading the thread this morn and was gonna comment that it was looking like the GARM after a Rockets loss.. decided to just shut my mouth and ignore it for a while. I did make a comment about Lidge's velocity, but I'm still all for keeping him as the closer for now..

Then I went and voted for "this forum would be better off if it was a pay-only forum". Seriously...the Astros forum has never been this bad before.

[Master Baiter]

Max, you can't tell me that you watched that game last night and didn't think, "Here we go again."

[The Cat]

since when does a fastball right down the middle equal a good pitch? oh right, maybe we should ask the home run king, QUALLS.

I know you don't throw your teammates under the bus, but for Christ's sake, how do they sleep at night with the bull**** that comes out in the postgame interviews? lol

That pitch was anything but right down the middle. It wasn't even a strike! It was well low and inside, and Nady guessed right and made a good swing. I understand the frustration because it's Lidge, but let's not act like this was a hanging slider or a belt-high fastball with no movement.

[Refman]

1. no doubt i get annoying. ask my family.
Ummmm...no comment. :eek: :D

[kaleidosky]

That pitch was anything but right down the middle. It wasn't even a strike! It was well low and inside, and Nady guessed right and made a good swing. I understand the frustration because it's Lidge, but let's not act like this was a hanging slider or a belt-high fastball with no movement.

I definitely agree with that. But I do think he threw a slider or 2 that could/should have been belted..

[MadMax]

Ummmm...no comment. :eek: :D

ok, family AND friends! :D

[BrieflySpeaking]

I definitely agree with that. But I do think he threw a slider or 2 that could/should have been belted..
he did throw a hanging slider that was belted for a double..

[MadMax]

Max, you can't tell me that you watched that game last night and didn't think, "Here we go again."

of course i did! but i'm not willing to sit here today and say, "see...i told you they would suck!!" because of one game. geez, we have people extrapolating for all sorts of things now. Qualls needs to go!!! Lidge needs to go!!!

give me a break. it's a joke. we see it here every year.

lidge's history of blown saves < this forum's propensity to write off the Astros after one game.

[TMac640]

That pitch was anything but right down the middle. It wasn't even a strike! It was well low and inside, and Nady guessed right and made a good swing. I understand the frustration because it's Lidge, but let's not act like this was a hanging slider or a belt-high fastball with no movement.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040224/sp2.jpg

reporters claim nady looked like this shortly thereafter the pitch.

[The Cat]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040224/sp2.jpg

reporters claim nady looked like this shortly thereafter the pitch.

Hitters look like that against the best of pitchers when they guess exactly right.

My concern with Lidge is the ensuing double he gave up and how close he came to a complete meltdown after the home run... those were bad pitches and poor mechanics. But I didn't see that much wrong with the pitch he threw to Nady... looked like he hit his spot, and it wasn't even in the zone... Nady just guessed right.

[TMac640]

Hitters look like that against the best of pitchers when they guess exactly right.

My concern with Lidge is the ensuing double he gave up and how close he came to a complete meltdown after the home run... those were bad pitches and poor mechanics. But I didn't see that much wrong with the pitch he threw to Nady... looked like he hit his spot, and it wasn't even in the zone... Nady just guessed right.


the point i'm trying to make is nady hit it with a golf club.

[TMac640]

Hitters look like that against the best of pitchers when they guess exactly right.

My concern with Lidge is the ensuing double he gave up and how close he came to a complete meltdown after the home run... those were bad pitches and poor mechanics. But I didn't see that much wrong with the pitch he threw to Nady... looked like he hit his spot, and it wasn't even in the zone... Nady just guessed right.

kidding aside for a minute...

i'm always interested in theories on lidge since the pujols debacle of '05. why did lidge become so bad, so fast?

like i was saying earlier in the thread, pitchers get figured out all the time once they come up, it's called a scouting report. surely, the pitching staff could have helped lidge not tip his pitches as much or change the pitches he throws in certain counts? (if that's one theory you buy into).

then again, if it's mechanics, why did they go south shortly before/after the '05 playoffs?

[macalu]

Max, I was reading the thread this morn and was gonna comment that it was looking like the GARM after a Rockets loss.. decided to just shut my mouth and ignore it for a while. I did make a comment about Lidge's velocity, but I'm still all for keeping him as the closer for now..

Then I went and voted for "this forum would be better off if it was a pay-only forum". Seriously...the Astros forum has never been this bad before.

except when it's football season.

[franchise?..NOT]

We cannot afford to give Lidge any chances. Spring training is over!

It's time to put it all out there every game to win as many as possible.

We missed the playoffs by a game and a half last year. Lidge, by himself, cost us at least six games. Yeah, it's not all his fault but you can only afford so many weak spots on a team.

Let him gain his confidence in the minors and let Estrada or Albers or Nieve have a shot at fronting for Wheeler. Let's try smething different. Over a year of this Lidge crap is enough. He ain't got it and is not even close.

[rrj_gamz]

I use to be one of Brad's biggest supporters and honestly, still am...Did he lose his edge, maybe, but its one game...If he continues to do this a number of times, say 6 times between now and the end of May, ship him out...

[DieHard Rocket]

I use to be one of Brad's biggest supporters and honestly, still am...Did he lose his edge, maybe, but its one game...If he continues to do this a number of times, say 6 times between now and the end of May, ship him out...

6 games? That's a lot of games to blow in two months. Especially considering what he did last season. I don't have the numbers convenient, but you can almost say that Lidge single-handedly cost us the playoffs last year with the games he blew or let the other team come back and tie it. You can argue run support all you want, but the fact of the matter is we had leads in those games no matter how many runs we had.

I'm not ready to let Lidge kill any playoff hopes again this year. Move him back to middle relief (7th inning type), and if he continues to struggle cut him loose. After all, it could just be the 9th inning nerves getting to him.

[rhester]

Hitters have Lidge figured.

He has two pitches-
fast ball and hard slider

His fast ball is straight, his slider doesn't have as much break as you need.

Most batters are starting to lay off the slider and wait on the fast ball.

Unless he develops more movement on his fastball or another pitch I think he is in trouble. He will only be marginally effective with these pitches because his control has never been good.

Phil Garner was interviewed on Channel 13 over the weekend he put it best when he said-

" I (Garner) watched all of his games from 04-05 season and he wasn't getting the ball in the strike zone, batters were swinging at bad pitches, batters are going to figure you out, he has to get the same results with the ball in the strike zone..."

[H-Town Info]

Hitters have Lidge figured.

He has two pitches-
fast ball and hard slider

His fast ball is straight, his slider doesn't have as much break as you need.

Most batters are starting to lay off the slider and wait on the fast ball.

Unless he develops more movement on his fastball or another pitch I think he is in trouble. He will only be marginally effective with these pitches because his control has never been good.

Phil Garner was interviewed on Channel 13 over the weekend he put it best when he said-

" I (Garner) watched all of his games from 04-05 season and he wasn't getting the ball in the strike zone, batters were swinging at bad pitches, batters are going to figure you out, he has to get the same results with the ball in the strike zone..."


yea he needs an off-speed pitch (breaking ball, change-up, knuckle, whatever). I still rooting for Lidge to succeed but he needs an off-speed pitch

[BigSherv]

"It's not Lidge's fault. He's not getting any protection from the o-line







I heard that this morning on 610.

[rrj_gamz]

6 games? That's a lot of games to blow in two months. Especially considering what he did last season. I don't have the numbers convenient, but you can almost say that Lidge single-handedly cost us the playoffs last year with the games he blew or let the other team come back and tie it. You can argue run support all you want, but the fact of the matter is we had leads in those games no matter how many runs we had.

I'm not ready to let Lidge kill any playoff hopes again this year. Move him back to middle relief (7th inning type), and if he continues to struggle cut him loose. After all, it could just be the 9th inning nerves getting to him.

Your right, I'm not sure the number of blown saves it'll take, but I guess I was being optimistic in we would have more run support and not have so many save opportunities...

[Cannonball]

6 games? That's a lot of games to blow in two months. Especially considering what he did last season. I don't have the numbers convenient, but you can almost say that Lidge single-handedly cost us the playoffs last year with the games he blew or let the other team come back and tie it.

Lidge blew 6 games last season. He also entered 4 tied games and gave up runs.

At the end of April last year he had 8 saves, 2 blown saves, 1 loss, and a 6.39 ERA in 13 appearances.

[VicVictory]

"Every time Brad Lidge comes into the game, I get an anxiety attack. So whenever he hits the mound, I have to pop a xanax." - Paul Wall speaking on Brad Lidge after last night's game.

[MadMax]

i just threw up a little...make that a lot.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/04/the_astros_are_dead_if_lidge_c_1.html

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/tombstone.jpg

April 03, 2007
The Astros are dead ... this time it's real
Shortest post in history ... thanks to Brad Lidge

[MadMax]

6 games? That's a lot of games to blow in two months. Especially considering what he did last season. I don't have the numbers convenient, but you can almost say that Lidge single-handedly cost us the playoffs last year with the games he blew or let the other team come back and tie it. You can argue run support all you want, but the fact of the matter is we had leads in those games no matter how many runs we had.

I'm not ready to let Lidge kill any playoff hopes again this year. Move him back to middle relief (7th inning type), and if he continues to struggle cut him loose. After all, it could just be the 9th inning nerves getting to him.

we lost the division by 1.5 games. any closer who blew 2 games would be pinned with "single-handedly" costing us the division crown.

i am unaware of ANY closer in all of baseball that didn't blow at least 2 saves.

[Groogrux]

i just threw up a little...make that a lot.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/04/the_astros_are_dead_if_lidge_c_1.html

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/tombstone.jpg

April 03, 2007
The Astros are dead ... this time it's real
Shortest post in history ... thanks to Brad Lidge

Just pandering to their audience.

[rrj_gamz]

"Every time Brad Lidge comes into the game, I get an anxiety attack. So whenever he hits the mound, I have to pop a xanax." - Paul Wall speaking on Brad Lidge after last night's game.

Ok, that was funny... :D

What's with the double post MadMax... :p I'm just lucky someone posted in between my posts...

Garner has already stated if it was the same situation tonight, he'd do it again and that's what you want from a coach...Now, let's hope he's right...

[msn]

The sports section of the Houston Chronicle is an embarrassment to the city of Houston.

[Kam]

When I started this thread, it was called The Brad Lidge "Well Wishes" thread.

It was because Lidge is done. I wouldn't say the Astros are done either. You won't win the division at the start of the season, but you can easily lose it. A few blown saves here and there, and every game following will cost you the season.

They can easily fix the situation by seeking help for Lidge by sending him to RR so he can get his **** straight.

He can blow saves in AAA.

[Smokey]

Jerome Solomon:

Nice! :D

[Major]

Hitters have Lidge figured.


This would make sense if he slowly got worse over time. But it was fairly sudden - the entire NL didn't just wake up one day and realize they knew how to hit him. There's something else going on, though I can't say I have any clue what it might be.

[Nick]

This would make sense if he slowly got worse over time. But it was fairly sudden - the entire NL didn't just wake up one day and realize they knew how to hit him. There's something else going on, though I can't say I have any clue what it might be.

I dunno... I did see a slow decline towards the end of the 2005 season... the Cubs games being the breaking point that people possibly started analyzing his pitch sequences even more.

The Cardinals series was like slow water torture when he was out there. It wasn't one moment... it was a series of them.

[texanskan]

Ok, that was funny... :D

What's with the double post MadMax... :p I'm just lucky someone posted in between my posts...

Garner has already stated if it was the same situation tonight, he'd do it again and that's what you want from a coach...Now, let's hope he's right...

Man I am praying it happens again, I love high stakes

[Smokey]

I'm more interested in seeing what Jason "we traded a lot of guys for you" Jennings can do.

[solid]

i just threw up a little...make that a lot.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/04/the_astros_are_dead_if_lidge_c_1.html

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/tombstone.jpg

April 03, 2007
The Astros are dead ... this time it's real
Shortest post in history ... thanks to Brad Lidge

What an absolutely crummy way to open the season. Your 100 million man goes 0-4, your closers give up game winning HR's, and you waste one of your ace pitcher's starts before a sell out crowd. Wow, that is a PR nightmare.

[Major]

I dunno... I did see a slow decline towards the end of the 2005 season... the Cubs games being the breaking point that people possibly started analyzing his pitch sequences even more.

The Cardinals series was like slow water torture when he was out there. It wasn't one moment... it was a series of them.

Certainly true - it just seemed like it all fell apart over weeks as opposed to over a season or two. And the White Sox hitters who'd never seen him lit him up too. It seems like if it was just a matter of learning him, someone like Podsednik still wouldn't have been able to hit a HR off of hm in his first at-bat. Who knows, though.

[texanskan]

Question, would you freak out more if Jennings and Lee both suck it up tonight or if Lidge's comes in and blows it in the 9th?

[IROC it]

Easy.. eeeeasy.. one game. :eek: Only 161 left.

[MykTek]

it's only 1 game....it was actually i thought a good low fastball right below the knees, he went down just served it up...I give more credit to Nady then Lidge throwing a bad pitch.

[Groogrux]

Question, would you freak out more if Jennings and Lee both suck it up tonight or if Lidge's comes in and blows it in the 9th?

Considering the season will be 1/81 completed after tonight...neither.

[JunkyardDwg]

it's only 1 game....it was actually i thought a good low fastball right below the knees, he went down just served it up...I give more credit to Nady then Lidge throwing a bad pitch.

Did Ausmus call for it in that location? If so, then I'd agree too, that it looked like Lidge put it in a decent spot. And if Nady was sitting "dead red" then perhaps more blame should lie on Ausmus for calling for the fastball. But then again, when you have only 2 pitches, and you're having trouble throwing one of them for strikes, you aren't left with much options.

[msn]

Did Ausmus call for it in that location?
From what I've read (I didn't get to see it), the pitch was headed straight for Ausmus's mitt.

If so, then I'd agree too, that it looked like Lidge put it in a decent spot. And if Nady was sitting "dead red" then perhaps more blame should lie on Ausmus for calling for the fastball. But then again, when you have only 2 pitches, and you're having trouble throwing one of them for strikes, you aren't left with much options.
The folks commenting on Lidge being "figured out", what with his two pitches, are really intriguing me. This seems a lot more reasonable than "he's a head case" or he was "Pujolsed".

[JunkyardDwg]

The folks commenting on Lidge being "figured out", what with his two pitches, are really intriguing me. This seems a lot more reasonable than "he's a head case" or he was "Pujolsed".

Well it definitely makes the most sense, considering Lidge has NEVER backed away from the constant criticisms he has faced sinced that day. That doesn't strike me as a guy who is truly shellshocked.

And seems to point to even more of a need for a 3rd pitch, perhaps that cutter he's been working on...if hitters have a 50-50 chance of guessing fastball, and can see slider coming because it's not falling into the strike zone consistently enough, then that's pretty good odds for them getting a hold of one.

[Pocket Rockets]

any possibility of trading him to the cards and watching berkman pull a "pujols"?

[percicles]

Brad Lidge = Mitch Williams.

[Hmm]

Garner has already stated if it was the same situation tonight, he'd do it again and that's what you want from a coach...Now, let's hope he's right...

The 05 Playoffs and all of the '06 season isn't enough for you to see he is not right?

[JuLiO-R-]

Old photoshop, but might as well:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/jul1oxr/lidge_littleleague.jpg

[Rule0001]

I've been calling for Lidge to start throwing a 2 seamer. It will add a lot more movement to the ball. When you see batters constantly turning around 97mph, it means it's too straight, and they've caught on to the timing.

[kaleidosky]

I've been calling for Lidge to start throwing a 2 seamer. It will add a lot more movement to the ball. When you see batters constantly turning around 97mph, it means it's too straight, and they've caught on to the timing.

like people said, he added a cutter..

[msn]

like people said, he added a cutter..
Did he throw it Monday night?

[Cannonball]

Did he throw it Monday night?

Yes, he did.

[msn]

Yes, he did.
Didn't get to see or hear. Was he throwing it for strikes? Was it moving well?

[Buck Turgidson]

Didn't get to see or hear. Was he throwing it for strikes? Was it moving well?
He developed it primarily to use against lefties. It's what he struck LaRoche out with Monday.

[SwoLy-D]

He developed it primarily to use against lefties. It's what he struck LaRoche out with Monday.Milo's partner mentioned this about three times during the broadcast even before he struck him out.

I still can't believe how so many of you are running around with your arms up in the air and asking for the TOMBSTONE on the Chron. :( No loyalty at all, gentlemen. No loyalty and no optimism at all. :mad:

[msn]

Milo's partner mentioned this about three times during the broadcast even before he struck him out.

I still can't believe how so many of you are running around with your arms up in the air and asking for the TOMBSTONE on the Chron. :( No loyalty at all, gentlemen. No loyalty and no optimism at all. :mad:
Where have you been? Some idiot at the Comical has already posted a tombstone.

[GraingerGuy]

Qualls...Wheeler...AND lidge. Well...Qualls did well last night while Wheeler blew up.

Wow....I guess Trevor Miller is going to have to close games now....;)

[texanskan]

Qualls...Wheeler...AND lidge. Well...Qualls did well last night while Wheeler blew up.

Wow....I guess Trevor Miller is going to have to close games now....;)

anyone else miss Russ Springer?

[macalu]

He developed it primarily to use against lefties. It's what he struck LaRoche out with Monday.
that strikeout was gift-wrapped from the ump. those pitches were high.

we could use that upgraded offense anytime now.

[kaleidosky]

anyone else miss Russ Springer?

not at all (right now). When would we have brought him in?

Not in place of Qualls/Wheeler/Lidge combo the first night. And not in place of Qualls/Wheeler the 2nd night. Maybe in place of Rick White after we gave up the lead.. which would have meant we replaced Rick White's scoreless inning with one (possibly) from Springer?

[texanskan]

not at all (right now). When would we have brought him in?

Not in place of Qualls/Wheeler/Lidge combo the first night. And not in place of Qualls/Wheeler the 2nd night. Maybe in place of Rick White after we gave up the lead.. which would have meant we replaced Rick White's scoreless inning with one (possibly) from Springer?

dude I was just playing

[Raven Lunatic]

I'd like to see Hunter Pence in the closers role.

[msn]

I'd like to see Hunter Pence in the closers role.
Post of the day!

[Buck Turgidson]

I'd like to see Hunter Pence in the closers role.
But Jason Lane is left handed.

[leroy420]

But Jason Lane is left handed.

And he pitched in college.

[jev5555]

It's only been 2 freakin games people. LOL! You should hear some of the callers to the radio sports shows...why are we panicking? I will say that if by week 3 we aren't looking better there should be a Hunter Pence sighting and a new closer. But until then I wait.

[BigM]

It's only been 2 freakin games people. LOL! You should hear some of the callers to the radio sports shows...why are we panicking? I will say that if by week 3 we aren't looking better there should be a Hunter Pence sighting and a new closer. But until then I wait.


well no one should be worried after 2 games certainly, but when the team looks disturbingly similar to last year after 2 home losses to the pirates, you're going to have to expect some bitching.

[msn]

you're going to have to expect some bitching.
If the team was 2-0 and Roy O pitched a perfect game I'd expect some of that.

[MadMax]

well no one should be worried after 2 games certainly, but when the team looks disturbingly similar to last year after 2 home losses to the pirates, you're going to have to expect some bitching.

2 games

this isn't football

this isn't basketball

2 games. imagine taking 2 games in July this seriously. it's beyond silly.

[justblaze]

anyone else miss Russ Springer?
Not one bit haha...it was inevitable, if he was left in for any amount of time he would try to throw his junky 92 mph fastball by somebody at the letters and get yacked on.

[GraingerGuy]

anyone else miss Russ Springer?


lol....look at his line from yesterday's Cardinals game.

0.1in 2h 5r 3er 2bb 1so era of 40.50

Yup...missing him quite a lot right now.....:)

[texanskan]

lol....look at his line from yesterday's Cardinals game.

0.1in 2h 5r 3er 2bb 1so era of 40.50

Yup...missing him quite a lot right now.....:)

like I mentioned before I was just messing around and stirring the pot. I don't miss that douch at all.

[leroy420]

lol....look at his line from yesterday's Cardinals game.

0.1in 2h 5r 3er 2bb 1so era of 40.50

Yup...missing him quite a lot right now.....:)

Only slightly worse than Taylor Buccholz's era of 27 (.2 IP, 2 er). And Willy T's 1-9 (.111 average) w/ 6 K's.

[Nick]

Only slightly worse than Taylor Buccholz's era of 27 (.2 IP, 2 er). And Willy T's 1-9 (.111 average) w/ 6 K's.

I really don't understand why the Rockies use Willy as a leadoff hitter. With us, it was more because we had no other options... and our 7th and 8th hitters were just as bad. But with them, they have to have somebody better in that lineup to warrant putting Willy in the 8 hole (where he should be, until he proves otherwise).

[tigermission1]

" David Carr is our starting QB"

"Brad Lidge is our closer"

You're not praying hard enough, rhester. ;)

[tigermission1]

There are only two keeper on this entire roster: Roy Oswolt and Lance Berkman. The rest are expendable.

I am not too worried about Lidge, I think we can find another effective closer to take over for him. It might not be this season, but it will eventually happen.

GO ASTROS!

[DOMINATOR]

There are only two keeper on this entire roster: Roy Oswolt and Lance Berkman. The rest are expendable.

it's Roy Oswalt. yeah with attitude like that go be a yankee fan they buy all the all-stars(i dont blame them). im not too worried. i mean look at the mavs record and they lost their first 4 games.
astros arent the only team off to a slow start...

[tigermission1]

with attitude like that go be a yankee fan they buy all the all-stars(i dont blame them).

:confused:

All I meant was Oswalt and Berkman were the only 'untouchables', I am not dissing the other guys.

A bit sensitive, eh?

[DOMINATOR]

maybe a little... im just tired of hearing people say everybody sucks besides berkman/oswalt. i also think scott is turning into a very big asset to this team and is on the bubble of untouchables.
so they had 3 games where things havent clicked yet... big deal.

BTW i didnt mean to attack you personally or anything.