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A_3PO
03-31-2007, 06:30 PM
I'm tired of it all. Carlisle, JO, Tinsley all have to go. Even if it means sacrificing some success next year, the Pacers have to chart a new direction and clear out the old furniture. I understand JO's frustration, but he isn't a franchise-level player and you can't build a team around him. He needs to be added to a team with a dynamic perimeter player as the first option.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070331/SPORTS04/703310439/1062/SPORTS04

Playoffs now seem dubious ambition
Pacers look dispirited in another loss to rival for postseason berth

By Mike Wells
mike.wells@indystar.com
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The goal sounded good at first.

The Indiana Pacers would go on the road, roll up their sleeves and work hard to salvage their disappointing season.
They were knocked around and bruised in their first stop, New Jersey, on Wednesday.
The Pacers' second stop, Orlando, to which they went staggering, wasn't much better, and now their chance of making the playoffs is on life support.
In a game in which the final score was misleading and after which All-Star forward Jermaine O'Neal was near tears, the Pacers continued their losing skid, falling 95-87 to the Magic on national television Friday.
"It's just disappointing to lose the way we have been losing," O'Neal said. "It's embarrassing; it's a lot of things."
The losing has taken its toll on O'Neal, and the writing on the wall about his future in the organization is becoming clearer every day.
As he sat with his injured left ankle in a tub of ice water, O'Neal was asked about wanting to be traded, a question likely to continue to come up as the Pacers move closer to missing the playoffs for the first time since 1996-97.
After pausing for 10 seconds to take in the question, O'Neal put a towel over his face to hide his emotions and ended the interview session. O'Neal has said a number of times since last summer that he plans to sit down with CEO Donnie Walsh and president Larry Bird at the end of the season to address future plans.
The loss has the Pacers 21/2 games behind the Magic and trailing New Jersey by two games in the playoff race. They don't own the tiebreaker over either team, making their playoff chances that much more difficult.
"I would have thought a long time ago we would have had this thing turned around," O'Neal said. "We lost seven games in a row and I thought we would have had the incentive to go out and try and be a better team and get into the postseason."
The Pacers are saying the right things, like their season isn't over and they can still make the playoffs.
But as the saying goes, action speaks louder than words. The only action the Pacers have shown lately is that of a team that has given up any hope of making the playoffs, which is evident by their body language on the court. They've lost 17 of the past 19 games, including 11 straight on the road.
The schedule doesn't get any easier for the Pacers. Their next two games are against San Antonio and Detroit, two of the best teams in the league.
"We are not giving into anything," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "We are going to keep fighting this thing and getting ready for the next (game). We will break through. It's about winning games and competing. It's a tough situation, but nothing comes out of giving in. That ain't going to happen."
With playoff implications on the line, the only Pacers player seemingly putting forth any effort was point guard Jamaal Tinsley, who led the Pacers with 27 points.
O'Neal, who missed Wednesday's game against the Nets, struggled all night, going 4-of-18 from the field for 10 points and three rebounds. He limped throughout most of the game and sat out the final few minutes.
Forward Grant Hill led the Magic with 22 points. Trevor Ariza came off the bench to add 17 points.
"That's a good win for us, obviously, with the situation in the standings," Magic coach Brian Hill said. "It gives us a two-game lead in the loss column right now, which is a tiny bit of breathing room, anyway."

Call Star reporter Mike Wells at (317) 444-6053.

Fuse
03-31-2007, 06:36 PM
I actually feel bad for JO. He is a very good player when he is healthy. He is close to being a franchise player, but just falls short of being one.

He did play his heart out last night, and it was really sad watching him play through plain.

Its funny watching the Pacers though, a few years ago they had one of the deepest teams in the NBA. Its fascinating how fast the NBA landscape changes. If only he was available for 10 MM or less, I would gladly trade away J-ho plus a scrub or two for him.

That would make our front court almost invincible. Imagine, with Yao, JO, Battier and T-mac alternating at SF.

I can only dream on.

steddinotayto
03-31-2007, 06:42 PM
Has there ever been an era where there are more Second Bananas than Alpha-dogs?

dntrwl
03-31-2007, 06:43 PM
If only a superstar would sacrifice their $$ for the greater good of winning! But eh I probably wouldn't either haha.

Baqui99
03-31-2007, 06:45 PM
The problem is that Indiana made a horrible trade for a bunch of overpaid, underachievers guys when they did the deal with Golden State.

thacabbage
03-31-2007, 07:00 PM
If only he was available for 10 MM or less, I would gladly trade away J-ho plus a scrub or two for him.


Yes, and I'm sure the Pacers would gladly trade O'Neal away for Juwan Howard.

hooroo
03-31-2007, 07:17 PM
Troy Murphy is looking attainable for the Rockets.

ivanyy2000
03-31-2007, 07:41 PM
I don't mind KG or O'neal go to Lakers next season.

Fuse
03-31-2007, 07:46 PM
Yes, and I'm sure the Pacers would gladly trade O'Neal away for Juwan Howard.

Its called my wishful thinking :p

Never said that was realistic by any means. Just thinking about matching them in salary terms, since Jho is our third largest wage earner.

saleem
03-31-2007, 07:55 PM
Troy Murphy is looking attainable for the Rockets.
We don't need him. He can shoot and rebound but can't stop the fast 4's and is too expensive.

tiger0330
03-31-2007, 07:55 PM
Troy Murphy is looking attainable for the Rockets.
So if he played for the Rockets he wouldn't be overpayed. Just say no to Troy Murphy.

sbyang
04-01-2007, 01:29 AM
they waited too long to blow it up and now it's kind of blowing up in their face. The team is mediocre and tensions are high between players and coaches. Everyone in the league knows they're blowing it up and the value of their guys is declining fast.

If Bird had pulled the trigger on O'neal before the season, he might have received something like Al Jefferson + a number 1, he's not coming close to that kind of value this summer. The worst thing about not blowing it up this year is missing out on the blue chippers in this draft class.

Deuce
04-01-2007, 06:28 AM
I don't blame JO. They guys playing on one leg right now. He is doing all he can do. I still think JO is a fantastic player. And he was even having a career year in shot blocking earlier in the year.

The problem is the chemistry is terrible. They STILL haven't recovered from the Ron Artest situation. Artest was HUGELY important to that team from the defensive standpoint.

When Tinsley is at his best, that makes the team even better. The problem is he almost never plays that way anymore. He is seriously injury prone and at this point I think one of the problems chemistry-wise.

I don't think their Trade in mid-season was a bad one. I think Troy Murphy is a very good fit next to JO. And I think Diogu is a very nice young prospect. Moving Harrington just gave them more time to develop Granger and I think that is a godo thing.

Dunleay sucks. If they can move him for a Maggette type player they should do so. But in my opinion they need to clean some house. They need to move Tinsley/Dunleavy out of there. The probably need a new coach as well.

Speaking of trades, that Croshere for Marquis Daniels trade doesn't look very good either. Daniels regression has been astounding ever since Dallas gave him that full MLE deal. You can throw Daniels in that pile that needs to go.

McGrady
04-01-2007, 07:12 AM
OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose can save that franchise if they tank next year.

m_cable
04-01-2007, 07:18 AM
Has there ever been an era where there are more Second Bananas than Alpha-dogs?

Huh? How about every era. There's never enough alpha dogs to go around, but there are a ton of guys that could thrive playing the sidekick role opposite a great player.

A_3PO
04-01-2007, 07:42 AM
I don't blame JO. They guys playing on one leg right now. He is doing all he can do. I still think JO is a fantastic player. And he was even having a career year in shot blocking earlier in the year.

The problem is the chemistry is terrible. They STILL haven't recovered from the Ron Artest situation. Artest was HUGELY important to that team from the defensive standpoint.

When Tinsley is at his best, that makes the team even better. The problem is he almost never plays that way anymore. He is seriously injury prone and at this point I think one of the problems chemistry-wise.

I don't think their Trade in mid-season was a bad one. I think Troy Murphy is a very good fit next to JO. And I think Diogu is a very nice young prospect. Moving Harrington just gave them more time to develop Granger and I think that is a godo thing.

Dunleay sucks. If they can move him for a Maggette type player they should do so. But in my opinion they need to clean some house. They need to move Tinsley/Dunleavy out of there. The probably need a new coach as well.

Speaking of trades, that Croshere for Marquis Daniels trade doesn't look very good either. Daniels regression has been astounding ever since Dallas gave him that full MLE deal. You can throw Daniels in that pile that needs to go.
Very good analysis Deuce. All you left out was SJax's issues that necessitated his departure. I still wonder if they had dumped him before Ron Ron that maybe Ron Ron would still be a productive Pacer.

ubigred
04-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Huh? How about every era. There's never enough alpha dogs to go around, but there are a ton of guys that could thrive playing the sidekick role opposite a great player.

Nash 2 time MVP ......I laugh once again