David Carr AND Domanick (Davis) Williams waived

[texanskan]

Leech is back, DW and DC cut

per 610 am

[russian88]

I guess David Carr isn't worth a trade, :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Cannonball]

And ESPN Live.

[whag00]

per 610 am

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4656573.html

Officially out: Carr released by Texans


By JOHN MCCLAIN

After weeks of trying to get a draft choice for quarterback David Carr, the Texans have decided to release the five-year veteran, making him an unrestricted free agent who can sign with any team in the league.

The Texans also are releasing running back Domanick Williams (formerly Davis), their former leading rusher who has been unable to play because of a knee injury.

An announcement is expected later today.

[aboinamedray]

omfg... unbelievable
nothing for david carr.... not even a bottom rounder

[RocketsFanSam]

wow....

[SwoLy-D]

Couldn't get something back from CARR? Wow. :mad:

[updawg]

wow, guess nobody wants that contract. I imagine this was partly a favor to him so he could choose what he wants to do. Seems if we really held out we would have got at least something. Plus the friday afternoon timing.
Time to move on

[justtxyank]

I don't understand why it surprises people. he had no value and a big contract. People hoping he could somehow be used to move up in the draft or recoup a second round pick were delusional.

[MadMax]

they tried to trade him. they got nothing back. they decided to go another way. no way they were gonna trade DC BEFORE they had the QB to replace him.

someone will pick him up. mcclain said on 610, he thinks it will be Minnesota, despite what their GM said on the radio yesterday negatively about Carr.

[TMac640]

pure genius, let's release a quarterback that at the very least, is worth a seventh round draft pick and just be left holding the bag :)

Casserly???

[MadMax]

I don't understand why it surprises people. he had no value and a big contract. People hoping he could somehow be used to move up in the draft or recoup a second round pick were delusional.

he has value...but not enough to offset that price. he's not worth his contract extension. that's it. not in the eyes of the Texans or anyone else, apparently.

[MadMax]

pure genius, let's release a quarterback that at the very least, is worth a seventh round draft pick and just be left holding the bag :)

Casserly???

trade him to who?? who is gonna give up anything for him at that price? clearly the answer is no one. that's what we've learned here.

[justtxyank]

he has value...but not enough to offset that price. he's not worth his contract extension. that's it. not in the eyes of the Texans or anyone else, apparently.

When I say value, I am lumping in his contract, his talent, and the Texans bargaining position into one catch all term.

He's a backup QB with a big contract on a team that HAD to get him off their roster. That equates to ZERO trade value.

[russian88]

Charley Cassidy's curse

[DonkeyMagic]

not really surprised.

sucks about DD, of DW.

oh well. its a new day and im actually looking forward to this year...if nothing else it will be new

[jojobabbu]

After weeks of trying to get a draft choice for quarterback David Carr, the Texans have decided to release the five-year veteran, making him an unrestricted free agent who can sign with any team in the league.

The Texans also are releasing running back Domanick Williams (formerly Davis), their former leading rusher who has been unable to play because of a knee injury.

An announcement is expected later today.


LAME!!! NOT EVEN A SIXTH ROUNDER....WORTHLESS

[Rashmon]

All the other teams knew they could just wait us out and get him on the cheap after we cut him. The Texans were in a no-win situation.

Oh well, the Carr fiasco aside, I am truly looking forward to the upcoming season and expect to see a marked improvement on the field and in the standings.

Go Texans.

[DonnyMost]

this day will go down in infaaaaaaaaaaamy.

where were you when you heard they released DC?

[shawn786]

LINK?

[Joe Joe]

Keeping leech is good.

[justtxyank]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=126390

[MadMax]

this day will go down in infaaaaaaaaaaamy.

where were you when you heard they released DC?

unlikely

[DonnyMost]

unlikely


MM, have a sense of humor for once.

[MadMax]

When I say value, I am lumping in his contract, his talent, and the Texans bargaining position into one catch all term.

He's a backup QB with a big contract on a team that HAD to get him off their roster. That equates to ZERO trade value.

misunderstood....you're exactly right.

[macalu]

One year after passing on Vince Young and they release Carr. what a great organization.

[OldManBernie]

well, it's officially a brand new start for the franchise. I wasn't exactly in favor of replacing Carr, but I'm enjoying the breath of fresh air. GO TEXANS!

[MadMax]

MM, have a sense of humor for once.

for once? :D yeah, i have a reputation for being a real hard-ass.

[ima_drummer2k]

People are outraged that we didn't get a 5th round draft pick for him, but how many 5th round draft picks even make the team? So really, who cares?

[justtxyank]

misunderstood....you're exactly right.

No problemo :cool:

[The Real Shady]

Ding dong. The witch is dead. Thank God.

One year after passing on Vince Young and they release Carr. what a great organization.

Would you prefer they hang on to Carr prolonging their mistake?

[jojobabbu]

LINK?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4656573.html

[justtxyank]

Would you prefer they hang on to Carr prolonging their mistake?

I think he was just making sure that the trend of it being said in EVERY thread about the Texans continued.

[MadMax]

Would you prefer they hang on to Carr prolonging their mistake?

excellent point!!!! they had the wisdom to move on. we can't change it, now.

go Schaub. GO TEXANS!!!

[jtran]

People who seriously thought that the Texans could get decent draft pick for Carr were vastly over-rating his trade value. NO team was going to trade for an average (on his best days) qb with an 8 mil price tag. The Texans FO also made it pretty obvious that they weren't happy with his play, so IMO, the writing was on the wall (after the Titans game?), long time ago.

Plus, I think it's classy of Mcnair and management to release David instead of trading him. That way he can pick where he go back up at. It's the least they could do, since they're partially responsible for ruining his career.

[DonnyMost]

Schaub wore #7 at Virginia.

He wore #8 in Atlanta.

He should wear #9 in Houston.

[redefined]

One year after passing on Vince Young and they release Carr. what a great organization.

Damn Sherman!!

I actually care more about Davis. Was he not going to be able to play this year either?

[macalu]

I think he was just making sure that the trend of it being said in EVERY thread about the Texans continued.
at least someone got it.

[texanskan]

excellent point!!!! they had the wisdom to move on. we can't change it, now.

go Schaub. GO TEXANS!!!

that's how I feel, it was a good point

[NJRocket]

I don't understand why it surprises people. he had no value and a big contract. People hoping he could somehow be used to move up in the draft or recoup a second round pick were delusional.


i tend to agree with this to some extent....i think it also has to do with the fact that if he gets cut, which the Texans made it known that they were gonna do if they didnt trade him, that you can get him for nothing.

[justtxyank]

Damn Sherman!!

I actually care more about Davis. Was he not going to be able to play this year either?

I think many reports have said he won't ever play again.

[updawg]

would love to know how this really played out. Remember last week(or the week before) when there was speculation that a trade would happen by the end of the day. Wonder what that was about?

[jojobabbu]

I think many reports have said he won't ever play again.
TEXANS CLEANING HOUSE!

[MadMax]

i tend to agree with this to some extent....i think it also has to do with the fact that if he gets cut, which the Texans made it known that they were gonna do if they didnt trade him, that you can get him for nothing.

yeah..but if you trade for him, you make sure YOU are the team that gets him. no one was willing to give anything to make that happen, apparently.

[NJRocket]

yeah..but if you trade for him, you make sure YOU are the team that gets him. no one was willing to give anything to make that happen, apparently.


true....or maybe it means that there was only one really interested team...and that they couldnt make a deal

[justtxyank]

yeah..but if you trade for him, you make sure YOU are the team that gets him. no one was willing to give anything to make that happen, apparently.

That's where the talent level and contract issues come into play. I'm sure there are teams that like him, but none that like him so much they want to give something up for either his contract and/or his talent.

The total package that he brought with him just wasn't an attractive commodity for a trade.

[solid]

One year after passing on Vince Young and they release Carr. what a great organization.

My thoughts exactly. Why do any of us ever think this organization knows what they are doing. Until they have a winning season, they officially don't know what they are doing.

[MadMax]

That's where the talent level and contract issues come into play. I'm sure there are teams that like him, but none that like him so much they want to give something up for either his contract and/or his talent.

The total package that he brought with him just wasn't an attractive commodity for a trade.

that's exactly how i see it.

[updawg]

rumor has that Tennessee is going to sign him to back up Vince :eek:

[ima_drummer2k]

My thoughts exactly. Why do any of us ever think this organization knows what they are doing. Until they have a winning season, they officially don't know what they are doing.
macalu was being sarcastic...

[percicles]

Did McNair give Carr one last BJ on the way out? A goodbye BJ if you will.

[pgabriel]

macalu was being sarcastic...


how can it be sarcasm when its the truth?

[texanskan]

Did McNair give Carr one last BJ on the way out? A goodbye BJ if you will.

David should of blown McNair after getting paid 35 million

[tinman]

rumor has that Tennessee is going to sign him to back up Vince :eek:
they resigned collins.
that would be funny tho.

[Fatty FatBastard]

One year after passing on Vince Young and they release Carr. what a great organization.

Apples and Oranges. Were we able to get VY for a few spots down in the draft and two second rounders we would have done it in a heartbeat.

[DaDakota]

Wow - from franchise player, to Tim Couch.....too bad it is one year too late.....

DD

[DaDakota]

Apples and Oranges. Were we able to get VY for a few spots down in the draft and two second rounders we would have done it in a heartbeat.


Yeah, because taking the equivalant of Michael Jordan of football with the first pick would not be worth it.

:rolleyes:

Vince would have this team in the playoffs THIS year......hopefully Charles Schwab will do the same.

DD

[ima_drummer2k]

how can it be sarcasm when its the truth?
Why don't you ask him?

[Stoli]

Wow - from franchise player, to Tim Couch.....too bad it is one year too late.....

DD

I can't take it any more! The Taxans are a joke!

[Baqui99]

Bwahahahaha! One year after the vote of confidence and a massive extension. Way to go Houston Texans.

[solid]

macalu was being sarcastic...

Sounded right to me.

[pgabriel]

Why don't you ask him?

because you're the one who felt the need to explain his post.

[macalu]

per solid, pgabriel, fatty:


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3460/41176509sarcasm416ru0.gif

[Fatty FatBastard]

Yeah, because taking the equivalant of Michael Jordan of football with the first pick would not be worth it.

:rolleyes:

Vince would have this team in the playoffs THIS year......hopefully Charles Schwab will do the same.

DD

VY is no MJ.

Mario Williams + Matt Shaub + 10th pic in the 1st round > VY. No doubt about it.

[Baqui99]

Vince would have this team in the playoffs THIS year......hopefully Charles Schwab will do the same.

You're damn right Houston would be in the playoffs. Imagine him throwing to Andre Johnson. Charles Schwab was a hefty investment at $48 million.

[IROC it]

What a waste of talent/trade/cap space/blah, blah, blah...


Whatever. I predict it may yet bite the Texans in the rump...

At least in the form of VY, at least twice a year. :(

I was sure they'd get a late rounder... my goodness. I pray DC doesn't spiral into depression.

btw- Dallas radio is agreeing with me... "give this kid (Carr) an offensive line and let's see what happens"..."someone will give him a nod for sure"..."had Romo not blossomed the Cowboys might have looked at him."

Wow.

[Baqui99]

What a waste of talent/trade/cap space/blah, blah, blah...


Whatever. I predict it may yet bite the Texans in the rump...

At least in the form of VY, at least twice a year. :(

I was sure they'd get a late rounder... my goodness. I pray DC doesn't spiral into depression.

I think they should've given David Carr one more year to turn it around. The O-line is really starting to come together this year. :)

[updawg]

Mario Williams + Matt Shaub - 2007 2nd - 2008 2nd -1st round pick carr < VY. No doubt about it.
fixed that fatty

[Fatty FatBastard]

fixed that fatty

Not even close. Time certainly will tell, though. And due to all of you idiot VY people, I'm actually going to enjoy it when it does.

I never had a problem with VY. Y'all have turned me into a hater.

[tinman]

what would really be funny is if David Carr grows a beard and turns evil and takes the Raiders to the playoffs . hahahaha

[IROC it]

I think they should've given David Carr one more year to turn it around. The O-line is really starting to come together this year. :)

No. But I imagine one could have drafted a Kolb, let Carr try 3 games... if not 3 and 0, bring in Sage and let Kolb have a shot after 6 or 7 more weeks..

But that's gone.

So who cares. :rolleyes: :) :D

There, I'm over it.


(But I'll be secretly cheering on DC elsewhere IF/WHEN he lands a spot)

[ima_drummer2k]

per solid, pgabriel, fatty:


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3460/41176509sarcasm416ru0.gif
LOL!!

[texanskan]

what would really be funny is if David Carr grows a beard and turns evil and takes the Raiders to the playoffs . hahahaha

yeah, kind of

[tinman]

yeah, kind of
Joey Harrington came back to Detroit to beat them..
Vince came back to.. oh wait, that's home court advantage.. nevermind
;)

[OldManBernie]

fixed that fatty

I'm a big VY fan, but that's ridiculous. You give VY fans a bad name.

[Baqui99]

D-Carr's in some pretty elite company:

Tim Couch
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf
....and

David Carr

[Cannonball]

Vince would have this team in the playoffs THIS year

I call BS!

[tinman]

You give VY fans a bad name.
An angels smile is what you sell
You promise me heaven, then put me through hell
Chains of love got a hold on me
When passions a prison, you cant break free

Youre a loaded gun
Theres nowhere to run
No one can save me
The damage is done

Chorus:
Shot through the heart
You give VY fans a bad name
I play my part and you play your game
You give VY fans a bad name
You give VY fans a bad name

Paint your smile on your lips
Blood red nails on your fingertips
A school boys dream, you act so shy
Your very first kiss was your first kiss goodbye

Youre a loaded gun
Theres nowhere to run
No one can save me
The damage is done

[pgabriel]

per solid, pgabriel, fatty:


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3460/41176509sarcasm416ru0.gif

dude apparently you don't understand sarcasm. see the texans actually did pass on three franchise qbs last season. and they actually gave up two second round picks for one this year. and they actually did sign carr to a ridiculous contract. and then they actually did cut him.


see the guy in your picture, doesn't actually want joe to not work hard. the texans actually look like fools.

[Another Brother]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2809870

[Storm Surge]

domanick Williams???

what happened

[htownzplaya03]

I UNDERSTAND THE REALEASE OF DAVID CARR, BUT WHY RELEASE DOMINICK WILLIAM?????? HE WAS GOOD

[tinman]

dude apparently you don't understand sarcasm. see the texans actually did pass on three franchise qbs last season. and they actually gave up two second round picks for one this year. and they actually did sign carr to a ridiculous contract. and then they actually did cut him.


see the guy in your picture, doesn't actually want joe to not work hard. the texans actually look like fools.
http://www.thegarden.com/thegarden/resources/images/I_Thomas_160x208.gif http://www.thegarden.com/thegarden/resources/images/I_Thomas_160x208.gif http://www.thegarden.com/thegarden/resources/images/I_Thomas_160x208.gif

[Fuzzybear]

Why is no one talking about Leech being back? He's probably the best blocker we have on the team. Yay Leech!

[IROC it]

A little different take... sounds kinda sad.

Carr and Williams released
March 23, 2007
By Carmine Pirone
link - www.HoustonTexans.com

In a move that only amplifies the Texans' desire to move forward instead of looking back, the team announced Friday the release of quarterback David Carr and running back Domanick Williams.

The duo’s days in Houston were numbered. Carr, when the Texans traded for quarterback Matt Schaub Thursday and Williams when he had yet another setback in an attempted comeback from knee surgery a few weeks back.

An era has ended and with it the careers of Houston ’s all-time leading passer and rusher. Carr passed for more than 13,000 yards in his five-year career while Williams has amassed over 3,000 on the ground.

Carr passed for 59 touchdowns, setting a franchise mark that likely won’t be challenged for years. Williams’ 28 total touchdowns will likely last a while as well.

As rare as it is for a team to release a tandem of players so decorated in franchise history, Friday’s move is not really surprising.

Thanks to debilitating knee injury, Williams did not play a down during the 2006 campaign and with yet another setback on the road to recovery this offseason, his career in the NFL could be over.

Carr is nothing if not durable, but a change in direction by the front office had Carr looking for a new home this offseason. Since a trading partner could not be found, Carr will spend the next weeks and months looking for another home.

The former number one overall pick has plenty of football left in him. At 27, his best day’s in the NFL could be ahead. Whether or not a team will give him a chance to start for them in 2007 is anyone’s best guess, but considering Carr’s raw athleticism he will certainly find a home somewhere before this season begins, but for the first time in his career he’ll be taking snaps in a uniform other then the Texans.


---almost sounds like they're doubtful Carr will even play again? Maybe he is considering calling it a career?

---also, Houston fans were forever spoiled by Moon, and hated him when he was here...

[Joe Joe]

I'm a big VY fan, but that's ridiculous. You give VY fans a bad name.

I wouldn't say it is ridiculous. It is hindsight. Of course VY would be a better pick than Mario Williams if you subtract the Texan Management's mistakes at the QB spot from his value. If you replace VY with Cutler or Leinart, the equation would hold true because the Texans have spent a lot of resources (cap room and picks) on the QB position.

VY still has as much to prove in the NFL as MW.

[pgabriel]

the 59 touchdowns won't be be challenged for years remark must be sarcasm. :confused:

[BigSherv]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out

http://cdn.channel.aol.com/channels/06/07/4521300f-00243-01a96-400cb8e1

[Buck Turgidson]

the 59 touchdowns won't be be challenged for years remark must be sarcasm. :confused:
Nope.

3 = "years"

[Uprising]

Yeah, because taking the equivalant of Michael Jordan of football with the first pick would not be worth it.

:rolleyes:

Vince would have this team in the playoffs THIS year......hopefully Charles Schwab will do the same.

DD


Why do you keep calling Voung the MJ of the NFL? What has he proven? Show me all those rings. :rolleyes:

You're like the people calling LJ MJ.

[Baqui99]

http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2004/12/27/inside1-guinness.jpg

[ima_drummer2k]

I UNDERSTAND THE REALEASE OF DAVID CARR, BUT WHY RELEASE DOMINICK WILLIAM?????? HE WAS GOOD
Well, it might have something to do with the fact that....




Forget it.

[ima_drummer2k]

Why do you keep calling Voung the MJ of the NFL? What has he proven?
He threw almost as many TD's last year as INTs and his QB rating was almost 70. Duh!

[IROC it]

59 / 5 = 11.8

59 / 4 = 14.75

59 / 3 = 19.6

59 / 2 = 29.5


I see Schaub taking at least three, maybe four years to reach 59 TD's at the helm.. but hey, Lets' hope for 2!

Wouldn't that be sweet? ;)

He threw almost as many TD's last year as INTs and his QB rating was almost 70. Duh!
btw- that described Carr last season.. that's the irony of DD's views on VY. :D (yeah I know... in less games, but still)

[DaDakota]

Well, it might have something to do with the fact that....he is bone on bone on his knee and his career is over.


Fixed it for you.

DD

[Cannonball]

the 59 touchdowns won't be be challenged for years remark must be sarcasm. :confused:

Of course it's sarcasm. We all know Shaub is going to throw 62 TD's this season and only 3 INT's. No way this franchise record lasts more than one season.

[IROC it]

Well, it might have something to do with the fact that.... he embodies the Carr era running back, and is injured to the point of no return.

Fixed it again.

[Cannonball]

He threw almost as many TD's last year as INTs and his QB rating was almost 70. Duh!

Don't forget his 52% completion percentage. :D

[VesceySux]

http://www.tk421.net/lotr/film/rotk/img/rotk2335.jpg

"He's gone. It's done."
"Yes, Mr. Frodo. It's over now."

[Baqui99]

He threw almost as many TD's last year as INTs and his QB rating was almost 70. Duh!

Yet, his inspired play down the stretch earned him an invite to the Pro Bowl in his rookie season. Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning...and Vince Young.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/images/daily/sat/palmer_young_vert.jpg

[Blake]

Well, this is what happens when you sign a QB to a huge deal and still have a QB with a huge deal on your roster who has underperformed (behind a terrible o-line)

You get nothing because you have no leverage. Said it yesterday.

That said, I am excited about Matt and wish Carr the best...

Typical Texan move, though. Of course, a winning season will change all that

[Alimoe84]

This franchise is a joke. That's all I have to say....

[WhoMikeJames]

No team in the League wanted Carr, wow.

[IROC it]

Perhaps this is a good thing for the Rockets...


Last time a Houston Pro QB went out of town with mixed emotion was 1994.

We know what the Rockets did that year.

Moon played his last game in 1993 in a Houston uniform... Rockets 1993-1994 season... Rockets champs of '94 finals.

Carr played his last game in 2006 in a Houston uniform... Rockets 2006-2007 season... and let's just stop right there for now...

[kaleidosky]

Perhaps this is a good thing for the Rockets...


Last time a Houston Pro QB went out of town with mixed emotion was 1994.

We know what the Rockets did that year.

Moon played his last game in 1993 in a Houston uniform... Rockets 1993-1994 season... Rockets champs of '94 finals.

Carr played his last game in 2006 in a Houston uniform... Rockets 2006-2007 season... and let's just stop right there for now...

except I don't think there's much mixed emotion here. Once we got Schaub, were there a lot of people that wanted Carr to stick around?

[IROC it]

I distinctly remember several people all over Houston, in the media, and friends of mine saying "good riddance" and "go Cody!" when Moon left.

I know they are no where near the same goose... but you see the "analogy" I was attempting nonetheless, right?

[Mr. Clutch]

I'm not a Vince Young fan, but there is no doubt that if we had last year's draft to do over again, we would have taken VY, Cutler, or Leinart. Sure we wouldn't have Mario, but we wouldn't have to give up 2 draft picks, move down 2 spots in the 1st round, and take a cap hit on Carr.

[Stoli]

This franchise is a joke. That's all I have to say....

My sentiments exaclty. From the Carr release thread:

"I can't take it anymore! The Texans are a joke!"

[Stoli]

No team in the League wanted Carr, wow.

Not when they knew they could have him for free by waiting just 24 hours!

[SwoLy-D]

Time to move on. Welcome Schaub. I hope Carr proves how much this was a mistake from the beginning, and I am talking the shotty OFFENSIVE LINE and butter-fingered receivers before Andre Johnson and Daniels were here. :mad:

Yet, his inspired play down the stretch earned him an invite to the Pro Bowl in his rookie season. Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning...and Vince Young.You mean Phillip Rivers...? :rolleyes: And we know Tom Brady should have been there. Don't start this PROBOWL bull.

This franchise is a joke. That's all I have to say.... Thank you :rolleyes:. Now you can go home to wherever that is.
See, it's fans like these that we don't need, dudes.

Of course it's sarcasm. We all know Shaub is going to throw 62 TD's this season and only 3 INT's. No way this franchise record lasts more than one season.Strong words. Care to make a bet?

[Achilleus]

Yet, his inspired play down the stretch earned him an invite to the Pro Bowl in his rookie season. Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning...and Vince Young.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/images/daily/sat/palmer_young_vert.jpg

Thank goodness Rivers got injured and Tom Brady was out of the country with his girlfriend.

[Bobblehead]

It's funny...but I won't miss Carr at all. There is such a poor history with him, that any change is good.

Losing a QB that has had success, Like Moon, hurts a lot more.

Carr has been a failure from day one...it just took the damn front office 5 freaking years to realize what us fans have always known.

[macalu]

dude apparently you don't understand sarcasm. see the texans actually did pass on three franchise qbs last season. and they actually gave up two second round picks for one this year. and they actually did sign carr to a ridiculous contract. and then they actually did cut him.


see the guy in your picture, doesn't actually want joe to not work hard. the texans actually look like fools.
dude, apparently you don't understand a joke. see, it was a preemptive post to mock what was eventually gonna be a repost of a repost of a repost.

[SwoLy-D]

Well, it might have something to do with the fact that.... we have like... 34026402846 running backs on the roster that are NOT injured?Fixed it again, IROC it. ;)

[hatemavs4life]

Bwahahahaha! One year after the vote of confidence and a massive extension. Way to go Houston Texans.

I knew you would be chiming in on this one! You can't help but be positive about any Houston sports. :rolleyes:

[hatemavs4life]

Fixed it again, IROC it. ;)

Where have you been wildman? Oh yeah, you're probably pretty busy with all that crow you have to eat you know MM's, DD's and my share. We tried to tell you that DC was history but, to the very end you showed loyalty to DC which was both admirable and a complete waste of time. It's all good, dude! We know you just want a winner like we all do. :D

[leebigez]

Keeping Leach is a good move. He's a powerful lead blocker and didn't seem like he would fumble as much as the other guy norris. I never thought Carr should have been drafted ahead of Peppers anyway. They are building the team the right way now. Both lines 1st then skill players. I think this team can win 8 games next yr.

[leebigez]

What a waste of talent/trade/cap space/blah, blah, blah...


Whatever. I predict it may yet bite the Texans in the rump...

At least in the form of VY, at least twice a year. :(

I was sure they'd get a late rounder... my goodness. I pray DC doesn't spiral into depression.

btw- Dallas radio is agreeing with me... "give this kid (Carr) an offensive line and let's see what happens"..."someone will give him a nod for sure"..."had Romo not blossomed the Cowboys might have looked at him."

Wow.

People thought the Dallas line sucked until Romo came in and was getting rid of the ball. NO line sucked too until drew brees replaced Brooks and got rid of the ball.

[SwoLy-D]

Where have you been wildman? Oh yeah, you're probably pretty busy with all that crow you have to eat you know MM's, DD's and my share. We tried to tell you that DC was history but, to the very end you showed loyalty to DC which was both admirable and a complete waste of time. It's all good, dude! We know you just want a winner like we all do. :DI agree with your last statement. F*cker. ;)

No CROW here. :o Hey, as long as DC was in a TEXANS' Uniform, he was still going to get props from me. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm loyal to my own. What do you want me to do? Spit on my own players' faces? No way, man. So now... let's talk about this Schaub guy...

[hatemavs4life]

I agree with your last statement. F*cker. ;)

No CROW here. :o Hey, as long as DC was in a TEXANS' Uniform, he was still going to get props from me. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm loyal to my own. What do you want me to do? Spit on my own players' faces? No way, man. So now... let's talk about this Schaub guy...

I'm just saying the last few weeks you were like Saddam's misinformation minister who until the very end refused to give in and submit until Saddam's statue came a crashing down. :D

As I said many times over, DC was not given a fair opportunity for success but that blame lays at Asserly and Crappers' feet. Kuby and Smitty clearly saw by midseason and indelibly shoved the obvious in McNair's face that DC for this organization was garbage and would not lead us to the playoffs.

For the record, I said give DC to midseason before passing judgment. I thought Kuby in all honesty could mold DC similar to the job he did resurrecting Jake's career and progressing the Great Elway's career as well.

Also, as Carr did many times here he started well but ... it was the last third to half of the season that seemed to do him in.

I hold no grudge against DC and wish him well elsewhere but, until further notice, Carr will be nothing more than a washout starter or a well paid, utility backup in the NFL.

[DaDakota]

Don't forget his 52% completion percentage. :D

You and Ima must be joking......

Stats? How about WINS...that is the only stat that matters.

I have said it before and will say it again.

Barring injury, Vince Young will be the best player in the NFL within the next 3 years.

DD

[DaDakota]

People thought the Dallas line sucked until Romo came in and was getting rid of the ball. NO line sucked too until drew brees replaced Brooks and got rid of the ball.

DING DING DING !!!!

We have a winner !!!


DD

[Mr. Clutch]

You and Ima must be joking......

Stats? How about WINS...that is the only stat that matters.

I have said it before and will say it again.

Barring injury, Vince Young will be the best player in the NFL within the next 3 years.

DD

Wrong thread. There are about 55 VY threads you can revive.

[hatemavs4life]

domanick Williams???

what happened

This one was a surprise to me. I guess the medical reports said his knee had little or no cartilage and that he was a definite liability. DAMN!!! :mad:

At the very least I was hoping we could get a middle draft pick for him. Outright releasing him really blows. Oh well ...

I guess the purge of Asserly's regime is near full completion. It is official, he IS the worst GM ever! Even Mike Lynn only made ONE mistake with Vikes, though the Herschel Walker deal was a major blunder, but Asserly set a standard for futility that can never again be surmounted.

The biggest idiot EVER !!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Cannonball]

You and Ima must be joking......

Stats? How about WINS...that is the only stat that matters.

I have said it before and will say it again.

Barring injury, Vince Young will be the best player in the NFL within the next 3 years.

DD

You must be joking......

Wins? How can you attribute wins to a single player?

It's been said before but I'll say it again.

Trent Dilfer won a freakin' Super Bowl and Rex Grossman, who some people think could be worse than Carr, made it to the big game this year. Don't try to tell me that team success is an accurate barometer of how good the QB is. The Texans improved by four wins this year. Obviously due to the influence of Mario Williams.

[SwoLy-D]

Bwahahahaha! One year after the vote of confidence and a massive extension. Way to go Houston Texans.Actually, that was February 9th.

Fair enough, hatemavs4life. :D Thanks, man, for accepting it wasn't ALL DC's fault.

[rhino17]

People thought the Dallas line sucked until Romo came in and was getting rid of the ball. NO line sucked too until drew brees replaced Brooks and got rid of the ball.

:D GREAT POINT :D

[hatemavs4life]

pure genius, let's release a quarterback that at the very least, is worth a seventh round draft pick and just be left holding the bag :)

Casserly???

Yep, Asserly deserves the Honor of being Magna Cum Laude graduate of the International Persistent Institute of Imbeciles!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Asserly better never show his face in this town ever again! 'Cause there are some rednecks here that want to whoop HIS ASS !!!

Casserly's resume ... how many picks worth a sh*t? Dunta, AJ, Pitts (maybe). Babin? Travis Johnson? Oh please ...

From #1 pick five years ago ... to complete worthless sh*t! Yep, Con artist Charley really knows how to pick them. :mad:

[Major]

Trent Dilfer won a freakin' Super Bowl and Rex Grossman, who some people think could be worse than Carr, made it to the big game this year.

And most fans could easily see that those players weren't the reason that they got to the Superbowls. On the other hand, most people could see that Peyton Manning was a key cog in winning Indy's Superbowl. Pointing out that Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl has no bearing on whether a QB has a huge impact on winning.

Can you name a single great QB that never had ANY team success?

[tested911]

That sucks!!! Was there anyways to get like a 7th round pick from any team in the year 2020? I mean common... Something a bag of chips or gum..

[KingCheetah]

I'm thrilled that the Texans were able to grab Schaub, but the Carr/ Mario debacle will be fodder for eternity.

The players are in place now though for the Texans to make a major turn around -- who we grab in the first round will be telling...

[Smokey]

Thanks to the technology that is slingbox I can watch these jokesters every week.

1) Texans


...


2) Cowboys
3) Notre Dame
4) Aggies

[ryan17wagner]

Wow - from franchise player, to Tim Couch.....too bad it is one year too late.....

DD


I felt this way when he was drafted. NEVER draft a QB from the WAC to be your franchise QB. Backup? Yes. Starter, no.

[ryan17wagner]

That sucks!!! Was there anyways to get like a 7th round pick from any team in the year 2020? I mean common... Something a bag of chips or gum..

Nope. Not even the Vikings wanted to give up Drew Henson for Carr....

[magnetik]

Don't try to tell me that team success is an accurate barometer of how good the QB is. The Texans improved by four wins this year. Obviously due to the influence of Mario Williams.

are you being sarcastic? If anything.. it was more because of Demeco.

[Joe Joe]

Can you name a single great QB that never had ANY team success?

Depends on what you say by team success, but Warren Moon may be the best QB without leading a team to the super bowl.

[Deckard]

I'm thrilled that the Texans were able to grab Schaub, but the Carr/ Mario debacle will be fodder for eternity.

The players are in place now though for the Texans to make a major turn around -- who we grab in the first round will be telling...
A debacle it is. So we get nothing for Carr at the end of the day, and might have gotten something in a trade had it been handled well. I have to say that the management of the Texans have managed to make themselves look like fools. In my opinion.

[krnxsnoopy]

Texans finally realized David Carr wasn't the answer?

A year too late.. Bush and Young are long gone.. Oh well... back to the drawing board...

[kaleidosky]

Texans finally realized David Carr wasn't the answer?

A year too late.. Bush and Young are long gone.. Oh well... back to the drawing board...

thanks for the original response

[Cannonball]

Pointing out that Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl has no bearing on whether a QB has a huge impact on winning.

But it proves that you can't say a QB is good because his team is good. That's my point. Yes, a QB has an effect. But people grossly overvalue that effect to the point that they believe that team performance and QB performance are so intertwined that one can't succeed with out the other and that simply isn't true. Any arguement that says VY has to be good because his team became good without giving anything other "evidence" is completely without merit.

are you being sarcastic? If anything.. it was more because of Demeco.

Yeah, that last sentece was sarcastic. I was trying to illustrate how absurd it is to give any one player credit for team success or improvement. There's no big cog in the machine that everything depends on. Yes, it helps to have a good QB, RB, WR, OL, Defense, etc. But no one piece is essential and you can always find examples of team that succeeded despite lacking in certain areas.

[Cannonball]

Texans finally realized David Carr wasn't the answer?

A year too late.. Bush and Young are long gone.. Oh well... back to the drawing board...

Agreed. I would have loved to have seen Bush taking the snaps last year instead of Carr. :rolleyes:

[JoeBarelyCares]

Jake Plummer = 4th round pick
David Carr = 0
Jake Plummer > David Carr

[gr8-1]

Casserley won't back down though. I think he had VY out of his top ten qb's under the age of 25 after the Giants game.

[Stack24]

Mr. Carr meet Mr. Courtney Brown and Tim Couch. Yes you guys were release by your original team after being number 1 picks...my god...

[Nick]

Mr. Carr meet Mr. Courtney Brown and Tim Couch. Yes you guys were release by your original team after being number 1 picks...my god...

Thats also a testament to how the new expansion teams had ZERO margin for error (after the NFL rule changes b/c of jax and carolina). Then again, both teams were terribly mismanaged.

[HillBoy]

One year after passing on Vince Young and they release Carr. what a great organization.
I expect to hear a lot of this type of reaction in the months to come. By releasing David Carr, it opens them up to the charge that the Texans are admitting that they did make a mistake last year by passing on Leinart, Cutler & Young. Just wait until CBS has Charley "The GM" Casserly on the air pontificating about what has gone down. I can guarantee that the venom on this board will spew forth in volumes.

[HillBoy]

People are outraged that we didn't get a 5th round draft pick for him, but how many 5th round draft picks even make the team? So really, who cares?
I though people were outraged that all they were being offered was 4th & 5th round picks for Carr. It just goes to show that the more things change, the more they remain the same.

BTW ima, I just got back from Atlanta and the mood there is like they had hit the lotto. On Saturday, you could buy Vick jerseys on the street by the Olympic Park so I suppose that the love affair continues...for now. Justice was right on one count: Atlanta has far too much invested in Vick to back down now but it will be ugly over there if they don't win.

I am taking a wait-and-see approach to this trade because nothing will be known until Schaub steps on the field and gets tested against the teams in this division.

[HillBoy]

VY is no MJ.

Mario Williams + Matt Shaub + 10th pic in the 1st round > VY. No doubt about it.
Ok, now you're just being weird...

[HillBoy]

I'm not a Vince Young fan, but there is no doubt that if we had last year's draft to do over again, we would have taken VY, Cutler, or Leinart. Sure we wouldn't have Mario, but we wouldn't have to give up 2 draft picks, move down 2 spots in the 1st round, and take a cap hit on Carr.
Yeah, that's why this move will be used and harped on to show the Texans as football idiots for years to come until they can break through in their division and start winning some games. And beating VY & the Titans would be a good start. I just hope that for once, this time, a team actually learns something from its little exercise in hubris and vows to never make that sort of mistake again. If that happens, at least the Houston franchise will have something over the Dallas one in that respect.

[IROC it]

DING DING DING !!!!

We have a winner !!!


DD

Says Mr. "HATRED for the Cowboys" :rolleyes:


and


Depends on what you say by team success, but Warren Moon may be the best QB without leading a team to the super bowl.

You could say Dan Fouts on that one too probably.

[Smokey]

Thats also a testament to how the new expansion teams had ZERO margin for error (after the NFL rule changes b/c of jax and carolina). Then again, both teams were terribly mismanaged.

Browns made the playoffs in year 4.

League must have tightened up afterwards to screw Houston.

[SLIMANDTRIM]

Mario Williams + Matt Shaub + 10th pic in the 1st round
versus
VY + 2007 2nd, + 2008 2nd, + 2007 8th pic in the 1st round

It's really to soon to tell which package is greater. Mario will be in his second year, Schaub is still an unknown, plus the value of those draft picks will be unknown for some time.

With Young give defensive coordinators a year to game plan against him then lets find out how good he is. The term Sophomore jinx was created for QB's for a reason

[rrj_gamz]

I can't believe we couldn't get jack for DC...Not even a 4th...crazy...

DD was expected as there was no way he can take up that roster spot...

Ok, I know hindsight is 20/20, but damn, couldn't they have done this when all of us were saying draft VY (obligatory we should have drafted VY statement)... ;)

Doesn't Sage wear number 8? If so, all I need is ducktape and a majic marker...

[VesceySux]

Doesn't Sage wear number 8? If so, all I need is ducktape and a majic marker...

He wears #18.