Matt Schaub a Texan???

[Nashvegas]

Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4649552.html)

I hope we don't have to give up any picks

Moss to Atlanta?
Carr to Oakland?
Schaub to Houston?

possible 3 way, or straightup?

[Stevierebel]

Starting QB

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4649552.html

After failing to sign free agents Jeff Garcia and Patrick Ramsey, the Texans have turned their attention to Atlanta quarterback Matt Schaub, according to a league official. A deal could be imminent.

The Texans are expected to trade for Schaub, a restricted free agent who was so prized by the Falcons they tendered him the maximum contract that would require first- and third-round picks for any team that signed him to an offer sheet.

Schaub would join the crowd at quarterback that includes David Carr, Sage Rosenfels and Bradlee Van Pelt.

The Texans' interest in Schaub, who played at Virginia and started only two games in his three seasons of backing up Michael Vick, is another indication that Carr will be traded after months of speculation.

The Texans wouldn't try to trade for Schaub to have him on the team with Carr and Rosenfels. Coach Gary Kubiak kept only two quarterbacks, Carr and Rosenfels, on the active roster last season.

Schaub, 6-5, 237, has completed 84 of 161 (52.2 percent) for 1,033 yards and six touchdowns. He also has thrown six interceptions. His passer rating is 69.2.

New Falcons coach Bobby Petrino has made a solid commitment to Vick that he'll be the starter and get more responsibility on game days. The Falcons resisted offers for Schaub when Jim Mora was the head coach.

john.mcclain@chron.com

[Raven Lunatic]

I really don't know much about Schaub, but by his statistics, it doesn't sound like he has had much experience to speak of at all. I surprised that teams are so high on him.

[pgabriel]

they just mentioned this on 790, grooowwwllll, the sports animal. then lopez says, "that's why you need a local middle of the day show"

[pgabriel]

Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4649552.html)

I hope we don't have to give up any picks

Moss to Atlanta?
Carr to Oakland?
Schaub to Houston?

possible 3 way, or straightup?


on 790 they said they have to give up a first and third. its expensive

[Raven Lunatic]

Other thread beat you by mere seconds. :)

[OldManBernie]

Say it ain't so, I don't like this one bit (especially for both 1st and 3rd picks). I'd rather they draft Brady Quinn.

[Stevierebel]

1st and 3rd are if they sign him because Schaub is a restricted free agent and Atlanta tendered him the highest deal.

I would be amazed if the Texans give up that much.

[updawg]

a 1st and 3rd is way too much to give up. something else would need to happen

[Nashvegas]

nfl network says it s for a 2nd round pick (39th) and "other possible compensation"

[OldManBernie]

1st and 3rd are if they sign him because Schaub is a restricted free agent and Atlanta tendered him the highest deal.

I would be amazed if the Texans give up that much.

That's what I'm hoping. I don't think I can stomach giving up the 1st for him. Regardless, I'm counting on Kubiak to be a good scout for QB, and if he thinks Schaub is the right guy, then I'm all for it.

[The Cat]

Again, they are trading for him, if this goes down. They are not signing him, which is what would cost the first and third round picks.

[ima_drummer2k]

If this is true, it sure would make the people here who think the Texans really don't want to trade Carr look....well, kind of silly.

[OldManBernie]

By trading for him, he is only signed for 1 year, right? I sure hope he doesn't bolt.

[steddinotayto]

I'm a Matt Schaub fan (maybe because the guy that's in front of him isn't really a QB so Schaub's time on the field looks 1000X better) but 1st and 3rd? That's crazy talk!

[Baqui99]

Take that Indianapolis!

[Rox225]

1st and 3rd are if they sign him because Schaub is a restricted free agent and Atlanta tendered him the highest deal.

I would be amazed if the Texans give up that much.

Yeah, the 1st and 3rd would only be given up if the Texans signed him to an offer sheet and Atlanta refused to match. I think the only way this deal goes down is if they feel they can get a similar pick in return for David Carr.

[Nashvegas]

the deal is done.....Schaub to Texans for the Texans 2nd round pick. It's on NFL network.

**update**

Schaub has a deal in place, so it's not just for one year. Houston wouldn't do the deal without a contract in place.

[JeopardE]

Well, look at it this way. Schaub is probably a better QB prospect than any quarterback in this draft not named JaMarcus Russell.

But a 1st and 3rd would certainly be too much, I agree.

[conquistador#11]

John McClain the other writer of wrongs :confused: It's hard for me to trust this man,considering his previous history."Texans to draft Young"

[Bobblehead]

This sounds like a Casserly deal. A 1st and 3rd for a proven nobody!!!
Man...I dunno!!

Supposibly Kubiak this great QB Guru right??? Then why couldn't he fix Carr!!
And pass on (you know who) one year ago??

I dunno fellas!!! I just want them to win!!

[JeopardE]

the deal is done.....Schaub to Texans for the Texans 2nd round pick. It's on NFL network.

Sounds like a fair deal to me. Sorry Kolb fans. Looks like Karl's going to another team this year.

[OldManBernie]

the deal is done.....Schaub to Texans for the Texans 2nd round pick. It's on NFL network.

I can live with that I guess... Now if they can trade down from their spot in the 1st round and get 2 decent picks, this could be a fantastic off-season.

[Stevierebel]

This sounds like a Casserly deal. A 1st and 3rd for a proven nobody!!!
Man...I dunno!!

Supposibly Kubiak this great QB Guru right??? Then why couldn't he fix Carr!!
And pass on (you know who) one year ago??

I dunno fellas!!! I just want them to win!!

Why don't you read what Nashvegas has been telling us????It's for a second round pick and maybe future considerations

[Nashvegas]

how long before the other shoe falls? You'd think we have a deal in place for Carr also right? Or do we just release him?

[updawg]

I like this move. Now time to move Carr for a pick
Plus, that means no Brady :D

[The Cat]

This sounds like a Casserly deal. A 1st and 3rd for a proven nobody!!!
Man...I dunno!!

Supposibly Kubiak this great QB Guru right??? Then why couldn't he fix Carr!!
And pass on (you know who) one year ago??

I dunno fellas!!! I just want them to win!!

They are trading a second round pick, not a 1st and 3rd.

[conquistador#11]

the deal is done.....Schaub to Texans for the Texans 2nd round pick. It's on NFL network.

**update**

Schaub has a deal in place, so it's not just for one year. Houston wouldn't do the deal without a contract in place.


In this case, I retract my harsh comment and now hail Sir John as one the best writers in the world ;)

[Stevierebel]

how long before the other shoe falls? You'd think we have a deal in place for Carr also right? Or do we just release him?


My money is on Oakland. They will trade for Carr and draft Calvin Johnson, who by far, is the number one player on the draft board.

[Major]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO :D

[MadMax]

i'm seriously excited about this. in many ways, i'm simply relieved.

so...give up a 2nd rounder...bring in Schaub.

trade Carr for a 3rd rounder. still leaves you with 3 first day picks.

[ima_drummer2k]

I can't believe we're giving up a 1st and a 3rd for this guy!!!

:mad:







I'm kidding. I like this deal. Don't know much about Schaub. Let's hope he turns into the next Steve Young....not the next Rob Johnson.

[studogg]

i'm seriously excited about this. in many ways, i'm simply relieved.

so...give up a 2nd rounder...bring in Schaub.

trade Carr for a 3rd rounder. still leaves you with 3 first day picks.

I wonder how Ric will spin this as just a PR move to sell tickets while keeping Carr? :D

[The Cat]

i'm seriously excited about this. in many ways, i'm simply relieved.

so...give up a 2nd rounder...bring in Schaub.

trade Carr for a 3rd rounder. still leaves you with 3 first day picks.

If they could get Oakland's third rounder, it would essentially be like a second given it's first overall in the round.

[Mr. Clutch]

Good pickup. On offense we will have- Andre, Shaub, Green, Daniels. Another WR would be nice.

[Raven Lunatic]

Out of curiosity, what is Schaub's pocket presence like?

[JeopardE]

Out of curiosity, what is Schaub's pocket presence like?

He looked good in brief stints last year. He was tremendous in college, set several ACC records I believe. He's sort of an unknown to some extent I think, but he looks to be as good a prospect as any of the ones coming out of the draft.

[weslinder]

I really like Schaub, but I was hoping that pick could be used on Joe Staley. Hopefully the Texans will trade down and pick him up late in the first.

[meh]

I love this deal. Since it means we're

A. not drafting Brady Quinn
B. not keeping Carr
C. only giving up a 2nd round pick for a starting QB

Granted, Schaub is unproven and could be a bust. But there's an inherent risk in everything. At least we don't need another 5 years to judge whether or not he's a bust, and we're not wasting a top pick on that gamble either.

[Joshfast]

Damn, I guess Kolb isn't coming here. :(

Trade would seem great depending on what we get for David, but this trade can only decrease his value - it's not like the Texans might keep him, no leverage now.

[OldManBernie]

Out of curiosity, what is Schaub's pocket presence like?

From what I recollect, he is the anti-Carr. He has good pocket presence and is able to step up in the pocket to buy time, but his arm strength is not nearly in the same league as Carr. He is also not quite as good an athlete as Carr, but he can scramble if necessary.

[OldManBernie]

If they could get Oakland's third rounder, it would essentially be like a second given it's first overall in the round.

That is why we are probably not getting the 3rd rounder from Oakland. I'd be happy with their 4th and future considerations though.

[Mr. Clutch]

Damn, I guess Kolb isn't coming here. :(

Trade would seem great depending on what we get for David, but this trade can only decrease his value - it's not like the Texans might keep him, no leverage now.

I don't think they were going to trade Carr before finding a replacement. Then teams would know they are desperate and they could jack up the price. Remember they tried to lock up Garcia, Plummer, and Ramsey.

[Buck Turgidson]

Depending on what happens with Carr, this could be anywhere from good to very, very good for the Texans.

I just hope that yall can find something else to argue incessantly over.

[Mr. Clutch]

I just hope that yall can find something else to argue incessantly over.

Who will have a better year- Shaub or Vince?

[pgabriel]

this is the best thing that could have happened if they really wanted to get rid of carr. I was also not on the quinn wagon, no more growing pains.


the guys on 790 were ready to do this deal at the 1st and 3rd pick. I thought they were nuts. I don't have radio in my office. I wonder what they're saying now.

[weslinder]

I love this deal. Since it means we're

A. not drafting Brady Quinn
B. not keeping Carr
C. only giving up a 2nd round pick for a starting QB


My thoughts exactly!

[rhester]

:) :) :) high five, hurray, good bye Mr. Carr

pricy move, but you cut your losses from a year ago.

Now get at least a 3rd round pick for Carr and all systems are on go.

Must have a great draft,

Sounds like we will have Schaub compete with Sage and possibly draft a
QB in the later rounds (maybe)

We still have next season to look at free agent QB's also.

Who knows Schaub might have the 'it' :D

[Buck Turgidson]

Who will have a better year- Shaub or Vince?
Who cares?

Who will win more games: Titans or Texans?

Me likey Texans.

[weslinder]

Sounds like we will have Schaub compete with Sage and possibly draft a
QB in the later rounds (maybe)

Replace Van Pelt with a EA Cover athlete:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Ncaa08.gif

[CriscoKidd]

That's a great freaking move. Very low cost for a young starting qb. Surprised that atlanta let him go and that other teams didn't offer up as much for him. Wonder what the future considerations are.

[macalu]

Hou and Atl swap 1st rounders this year and Atl gets our 2nd round pick this year and next.

Bascially

Houston receives

Matt Schaud
Atl's number 1 this year

Atlanta gets

Houston's 1st this year
2nd this year
2nd next year.

[WhoMikeJames]

Yes finalllllllllly

[dandorotik]

He was interviewed on Colin Cowherd's show about 3 weeks ago, and Colin had nothing but praise for him, basically saying that he's the best backup QB in the game and that he'd be starting on many teams- an impossibility on a team with Vick. Now, I take what they say with a grain of salt, but he seemed to be pretty sincere in his praise of him. Didn't really think much about it until this came up. Maybe a diamond in the rough? We can only hope.

[HillBoy]

If this is true, it sure would make the people here who think the Texans really don't want to trade Carr look....well, kind of silly.
Not necessarily. This may be an acknowledgement by the Texans that bringing Carr back would be a sticky situation at best. But someone STILL has to take Carr and I just don't see a trade market for him out there. I'm not at all sold on this guy either so what this means is anyone's guess but it would be interesting to see the Texans' spin if they do end up giving up draft picks which they supposedly weren't going to give up anymore. Even if this trade comes about, I still remain underwhelmed over their off season moves to date. I'll just have to see how the draft works out.

[rikesh316]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

[pgabriel]

That's a great freaking move. Very low cost for a young starting qb. Surprised that atlanta let him go and that other teams didn't offer up as much for him. Wonder what the future considerations are.


sorry, its a trade. I wonder why atlanta would sign him to the max deal that required a 1st and 3rd if another team signed him, and then settle for this deal.

[Mr. Clutch]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

Yikes, I guess the Texans are high on Schaub.

[rhester]

Hou and Atl swap 1st rounders this year and Atl gets our 2nd round pick this year and next.

Bascially

Houston receives

Matt Schaud
Atl's number 1 this year

Atlanta gets

Houston's 1st this year
2nd this year
2nd next year.

That is a very HIGH price- he better be a great one

[Jeff]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

That's an awful lot.

[updawg]

ouch, thats pretty expensive. I hope they are really sure of the guy

[CriscoKidd]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

I figured there would be a little more to it.

Still a good deal. I'm thinking at 10 they may go db or possibly even *gulp* wr(hopefully not, most 1st round wrs kinda scare me).

[rhester]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

Now I'm feeling queezy :eek:

Not because we made the trade but we did it in Casserly fashion :(

[Stevierebel]

So we also fall back two spots in the draft...

[Joshfast]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

Ummmmmm, that seems to be a heck of a high price! :eek:

Falcons Boards are celebrating this coup. :mad:

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showforum=2

[Nashvegas]

wow, not as excited as I was about 10 minutes ago. I don't mind dropping back to #10, but a 2nd rounder next year also? :eek:

I just hope they have another deal in the works for Carr.

Carr to Oakland for Porter or Moss or something. I hope we just don't cut him.

[rikesh316]

This means no Laron Landry for the Texans. No way the Falcons let Landry pass them at 8.

[HillBoy]

That's an awful lot.
Amen to that! This looks like a bad deal as they could have gotten a quality player with the 8th pick. And giving up those 2nd round picks is a huge gamble seeing as how they should be high picks. So much for the Texans' finding religion and not trading away draft picks. I wonder if Casserly is back?

[steddinotayto]

lets hope we can get a 3rd rounder at least for Carr.

[v3.0]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.
Does anyone know about this guy? I don't have a good feeling about this, it feels too much for an unproven guy. It should have been just a 2nd pick and that's it.

One of the 790 guys just said he's a sure thing. Don't know who said it but he probably knows about Matt Scaub as much as I do. :rolleyes:

[Baqui99]

Don't worry about the 2nd rounders. It's not like the Texans would've known what to do with them anyways. They probably would have just wasted them on some unknown DE from Western Ohio Technical State with 30 sacks.

[kaleidosky]

this is AWESome!

yeah, now that i'm reading about the extra pick next year. But I can live with it.. ignore the 1st rnd swap if it's just 2 slots. We'll still have our shot at Landry, Branch, Brown, etc.. one of them will be around.

(Of course, if AP drops to 8 but not to 10, we'll all shoot ourselves.. but let's assume they know that won't happen)

So it's really just 2 2nd's for Schaub. Steep? yes. But with so many suitors (and they've resisted trading him for 2 years)...it was necessary. The Texans win a battle!

[Blake]

That's an awful lot.

I agree :mad:

[v3.0]

Don't worry about the 2nd rounders. It's not like the Texans would've known what to do with them anyways. They probably would have just wasted them on some unknown DE from Western Ohio Technical State with 30 sacks.
I thought Casserly was gone...

[CriscoKidd]

Amen to that! This looks like a bad deal as they could have gotten a quality player with the 8th pick. And giving up those 2nd round picks is a huge gamble seeing as how they should be high picks.

you can still get a quality player with pick 10. Probably a lot of the same players they were looking at with the 8 pick.

The 2 2nd rounders hurt, but I'd rather have a starting qb now than two 2nd rounders. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be pining my future around kolb *barf*.

[wesnesked]

Don't worry about the 2nd rounders. It's not like the Texans would've known what to do with them anyways. They probably would have just wasted them on some unknown DE from Western Ohio Technical State with 30 sacks.


Yeah, they blew that second rounder last year. :rolleyes:

[Nashvegas]

Falcons Boards are celebrating this coup. :mad:

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showforum=2


they are comparing this to the Herschel Walker trade, and saying it's the deal of the century.

[v3.0]

this is AWESome!

yeah, now that i'm reading about the extra pick next year. But I can live with it.. ignore the 1st rnd swap if it's just 2 slots. We'll still have our shot at Landry, Branch, Brown, etc.. one of them will be around.

(Of course, if AP drops to 8 but not to 10, we'll all shoot ourselves.. but let's assume they know that won't happen)

So it's really just 2 2nd's for Schaub. Steep? yes. But with so many suitors (and they've resisted trading him for 2 years)...it was necessary. The Texans win a battle!
Really? Extoll the virtues of this Matt Schaub then if you don't mind. It just seems like the Falcons drove up his price and the Texans got took.

[updawg]

I don't see getting much for carr at this point. Unless something was lined up ahead of time, everyone knows they will get him on the cheap if we deal him now

This was a lot to give up, I don't think I like it. Hopefully Schaub will prove it was a great move.

[justtxyank]

2 2nd rounders? Yikes.

Schaub better be the real deal or this trade will look an awful lot like P-Burnt.

Also, having as many holes as this team has, I'm just not sure trading away 2nd round picks is a good idea. We need those picks to fill out a competent roster. You can't build a team on first round picks.

[Groogrux]

Don't worry about the 2nd rounders. It's not like the Texans would've known what to do with them anyways. They probably would have just wasted them on some unknown DE from Western Ohio Technical State with 30 sacks.

Or the DROY, Trolly McRetardenstein. :rolleyes:

[steddinotayto]

they are comparing this to the Herschel Walker trade, and saying it's the deal of the century.

They can yak it up all they want, the Falcons will always be a team with a running back as a quarterback and a team that only plays half a season.

[HillBoy]

you can still get a quality player with pick 10. Probably a lot of the same players they were looking at with the 8 pick.

The 2 2nd rounders hurt, but I'd rather have a starting qb now than two 2nd rounders. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be pining my future around kolb *barf*.
Hey Crisco: You think this means they'll take Levi Brown at #10? I agree: Losing those 2nd rounders is going to really hurt.

[Groogrux]

Hey Crisco: You think this means they'll take Levi Brown at #10? I agree: Losing those 2nd rounders is going to really hurt.

I like it just because it means we won't be taking Quinn. Grab the CB from Michigan or Okoye and it's a good draft considering we picked up a non-rookie starter at QB in the second round basically.

[Buck Turgidson]

I just hope that yall can find something else to argue incessantly over.
Well, that took about 10 minutes!

1. Let's see what they get for Carr;
2. Trading down looks pretty attractive, unless there's someone they're really sold on at 10. They need numbers.

Oh, Baqui, Demeco says "Piss off, troll".

[Jeff]

[edit] nevermind, just listened to the radio.

[justtxyank]

They can yak it up all they want, the Falcons will always be a team with a running back as a quarterback and a team that only plays half a season.

They also happen to be a team with a better track record than the Texans and a team with extra picks over the next two years now thanks to the Texans.

The more I've thought about this deal, the less I like it. I'd be looking to move down now out of #10 to get extra picks. Way too many holes on this talent-void roster to not have a second round pick for the next two years.

[kaleidosky]

They also happen to be a team with a better track record than the Texans and a team with extra picks over the next two years now thanks to the Texans.

The more I've thought about this deal, the less I like it. I'd be looking to move down now out of #10 to get extra picks. Way too many holes on this talent-void roster to not have a second round pick for the next two years.

I'd rather have Levi Brown and Schaub out of the 1st 2 rounds (and give up next year's 2nd rounder) than have Brown and Kolb or Quinn and ____ or whatever and keep next year's 2nd rounder.

[CriscoKidd]

Hey Crisco: You think this means they'll take Levi Brown at #10? I agree: Losing those 2nd rounders is going to really hurt.

No idea. I've seen a lot of people say Levi has talent, but takes plays off and wouldn't fit what Kubiak wants to do with the zone blocking scheme. It only matters wheter Kubiak agrees with that assessment or not.

I can see them going a lot of different ways now that they have their qb and no 2nd rounder. They may reach a little to fill immediate needs(wr, db) rather than go strictly bpa. But if they have found their qb, it could go a long way towards bringing them to respectability.

[xiki]

1. Let's see what they get for Carr;
2. Trading down looks pretty attractive, unless there's someone they're really sold on at 10. They need numbers.


Well, let's just pretend Carr motors to oakland (for a 4th...and 'future considerations'?) then what does that do to every other team's Mocks? Is there a freefall for Peterson, for example?

This could add aeons hours of talking (dead) heads on the draft.

[plee]

They may have something up with Carr that will get more draft picks so I would wait to see what shakes out... :cool:

[xiki]

BTW - if The Texans were poised to pick Quinn at #1 or someone else Day 1 then how is this 'giving up picks'? It just changes the dynamics, is all.

[wesnesked]

they are comparing this to the Herschel Walker trade, and saying it's the deal of the century.

Of course they are, he's the Falcons back up QB! Anybody would be excited about getting picks for a backup. I just hope Schaub can play. Two 2nd rounders isn't that big of a price for your starting QB, as long has he can play. Lets see what we can get for Carr, now. We probably won't see anything shake down till draft day.

[weslinder]

They may have something up with Carr that will get more draft picks so I would wait to see what shakes out... :cool:
I agree. I would bet that if the Texans packaged Carr with the 1st round pick, they could trade down and pick up a couple of picks.

[pgabriel]

the second second does sting. just thought I'd say that if it wasn't mentioned.

[zoork34]

They may have something up with Carr that will get more draft picks so I would wait to see what shakes out... :cool:


exactly! everybody is making this knee-jerk reaction to the trade and we dont even know what we will get for carr. plus, if schaub ends up being good, then who cares about the 2nd rounders! everybody wants to get rid of carr, and now that the texans are starting that process, nobody likes what they are doing. people just enjoy being negative about things.

[steddinotayto]

David Carr for Jerry Porter straight up.

[MadMax]

Of course they are, he's the Falcons back up QB! Anybody would be excited about getting picks for a backup. I just hope Schaub can play. Two 2nd rounders isn't that big of a price for your starting QB, as long has he can play. Lets see what we can get for Carr, now. We probably won't see anything shake down till draft day.

yeah. that the falcons feel this is a good deal for them is not surprising. it can be a good deal for both teams. because as long as Vick is there, Schaub ain't playing. so getting two second-round picks for a guy who doesn't touch your field is gonna feel like a steal.

[No Worries]

Houston receives

Matt Schaub
Atl's number 1 this year (#10)

Atlanta gets

Houston's 1st this year (#8)
2nd this year (#39)
2nd next year

Bottom line : Matt Schaub for two second round picks.

84/161 for 1033 yards over three years.

Seems a high price for lightly proven quantity. Those two second round picks would have gone a long toward adding much needed depth.

[Groogrux]

BTW - if The Texans were poised to pick Quinn at #1 or someone else Day 1 then how is this 'giving up picks'? It just changes the dynamics, is all.

Cause we gotta bitch about something!

[Icehouse]

Trade is done. Jay Glazer said the trade is Schaub, ATL 2007 first round pick to HOU for Texans first round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2007, second round pick in 2008.

Wow...the Texans are idiots if that is true. How can one support a team that makes so many dumb decisions? You drop back in the draft and give up two 2nd round picks for a back-up QB?

Since Carr is on his way out now, can we FINALLY admit that not taking Vince #1 last year was a mistake? We just gave up two #2s!!!!

[pgabriel]

this deal IS great for Atlanta right now, if Shaub is a player it will be good for the texans. when you look at it from their perspective, getting two second rounders for a backup like an above poster mentioned, that's awesome. especially when we are hoping for a third for our starter.

[rhester]

I like it just because it means we won't be taking Quinn. Grab the CB from Michigan or Okoye and it's a good draft considering we picked up a non-rookie starter at QB in the second round basically.

Thanks, I needed that. :)

Leon Hall would be sweet
Maybe they like Reggie Nelson
Okoye wouldn't hurt my feelings

I think they just said what I have felt along time about Carr.

The price was high, especially when you factor in the screw up of last year's #1 pick.

If we can hit the first round pick and the third round and get something of value for Carr- whoo hoo

[rhester]

this deal IS great for Atlanta right now, if Shaub is a player it will be good for the texans. when you look at it from their perspective, getting two second rounders for a backup like an above poster mentioned, that's awesome. especially when we are hoping for a third for our starter.

Yep, that is Texan trade management in a nutshell

we give up 2 - 2nd's for a back up and can't get a 3rd for our starter :D

[xiki]

Houston receives

Matt Schaub
Atl's number 1 this year (#10)

Atlanta gets

Houston's 1st this year (#8)
2nd this year (#39)
2nd next year

Bottom line : Matt Schaub for two second round picks.

84/161 for 1033 yards over three years.

Seems a high price for lightly proven quantity. Those two second round picks would have gone a long toward adding much needed depth.

Is this factual or your surmisal?

[Groogrux]

Wow...the Texans are idiots if that is true. How can one support a team that makes so many dumb decisions? You drop back in the draft and give up two 2nd round picks for a back-up QB?

You've made it clear you don't support them anyway. Why you and people like Baqui99 continue to post in Texans forums is the real mystery.

Schaub has been considered one of the best back-ups in the league and could've started on a number of teams. We just used our 39th pick on a non-rookie starting QB. It frees up the first rounder to use on other needs like DB, OL, DL or possibly WR.

I'm not about to get my panties in a wad over a 2008 pick that's still 13 months from being selected.

[kaleidosky]

Wow...the Texans are idiots if that is true. How can one support a team that makes so many dumb decisions? You drop back in the draft and give up two 2nd round picks for a back-up QB?

Schaub isn't your typical backup QB. He's been stuck behind the hype that is Vick. The Falcons seriously considered giving Schaub a shot at the job this past year... they were *supposedly* entertaining trade talks about Vick for a short time because they thought Schaub could take over the team, and they talked about using Schaub at QB and Vick at RB/WR/etc (but that was eventually shot down due to the hurt it would put on Vick).

But let's not all keep saying we traded for a backup like this is Cody Carlson or something.. I'm hoping for a Matt Hasselbeck type of backup

[MadMax]

Schaub isn't your typical backup QB. He's been stuck behind the hype that is Vick. The Falcons seriously considered giving Schaub a shot at the job this past year... they were *supposedly* entertaining trade talks about Vick for a short time because they thought Schaub could take over the team, and they talked about using Schaub at QB and Vick at RB/WR/etc (but that was eventually shot down due to the hurt it would put on Vick).

But let's not all keep saying we traded for a backup like this is Cody Carlson or something.. I'm hoping for a Matt Hasselbeck type of backup

that's exactly right. this is not "just a backup." steve young was not "just a backup." i'm not saying we're looking at the next steve young...i'm saying that it's incomplete and unfair to give schaub that label and just dismiss him. he's been impressive when given the opportunity to play...and gave Vick-doubters a ton of ammunition when he had a tremendous game he started two years back (throwing for 300 yards+ and around 3 TD's, iirc)

[Icehouse]

You've made it clear you don't support them anyway. Why you and people like Baqui99 continue to post in Texans forums is the real mystery.

Schaub has been considered one of the best back-ups in the league and could've started on a number of teams. We just used our 39th pick on a non-rookie starting QB. It frees up the first rounder to use on other needs like DB, OL, DL or possibly WR.

I'm not about to get my panties in a wad over a 2008 pick that's still 13 months from being selected.

We have too many needs on our team to give up so many picks for a back-up QB. Hasn't mgmt's stance all summer been "we are trying to acquire more picks, not give them away"?

I could see if we were a QB away from being a playoff caliber club or something....

[MadMax]

We have too many needs on our team to give up so many picks for a back-up QB. Hasn't mgmt's stance all summer been "we are trying to acquire more picks, not give them away"?

they just addressed the most important position on the field. and in doing so, they'll trade away Carr for another draft pick.

[rhester]

that's exactly right. this is not "just a backup." steve young was not "just a backup." i'm not saying we're looking at the next steve young...i'm saying that it's incomplete and unfair to give schaub that label and just dismiss him. he's been impressive when given the opportunity to play...and gave Vick-doubters a ton of ammunition when he had a tremendous game he started two years back (throwing for 300 yards+ and around 3 TD's, iirc)

reminds me of when Sage went in for Carr against the Titans....... :D

But I love this move for the sake of change at the position
Now we can think of other things..........

[studogg]

there is just nothing you can do to please some people. This could have been Carr for Shaub straight up and icehouse would have complained that we got screwed.

I myself am excited and also think that something is in the works for Carr which in the Texans mind will level this.

If Shaub pans out, 2 seconds will look like a small price. I will admit, if he goes P-Burnt on us, it will hurt, but given the options in the market this seems fair.

[rikesh316]

Great trade. Schaub has all the tool to be a star. Draft picks are no sure thing. Plus the Texans will get more picks for David Carr. He has a lot of value around the league according to Jay Glazer. They will get at least a 3rd and likely more. Teams like the Raiders, Vikings, Browns, Lions, Dolphins, Chiefs could use another QB. I really like the Texans moves this offseason. Just need to add another WR and CB. If Laron Landry is there in the 1st round pick, pick him over anybody. If Craig Davis or Steve Smith in the 3rd pick if there.

[MiniMing]

Good move that most likely Carr will be moved.

Bad move in terms of what we gave up for him.

Giving up two #2's is alittle much for a backup QB.

[MadMax]

reminds me of when Sage went in for Carr against the Titans....... :D

But I love this move for the sake of change at the position
Now we can think of other things..........

i hear ya.

but i think it's different. schaub started that game...he didn't inherit a prevent defense from a blowout.

and sage has never been as highly regarded as schaub has been.

[Icehouse]

there is just nothing you can do to please some people. This could have been Carr for Shaub straight up and icehouse would have complained that we got screwed.


No, then I would be pleased because Carr would be gone. I just don't see how anyone can say trading down in the draft AND giving up two #2 picks isn't a lot for a team with holes everywhere......

[solid]

I am skeptical of every personnel move the Texans make, because they have made sooooooooooo many dumb moves, I have so little confidence in the leadership of the team, until proven otherwise. I still think Carr is going to Oakland.

[OldManBernie]

I'm sure Green Bay fans are still pissed off that they gave up their #17 overall pick for Brett Favre. I was actually ready for another year of Carr, but since Schaub is now a Texan, let's just see how it plays out.

[Groogrux]

We have too many needs on our team to give up so many picks for a back-up QB. Hasn't mgmt's stance all summer been "we are trying to acquire more picks, not give them away"?

I could see if we were a QB away from being a playoff caliber club or something....

We essentially gave up one pick considering that they were most likely going to use a pick on a QB this draft. Many mock drafts had them taking a QB with the first pick.

Dropping down two spots doesn't really mean a lot considering there are a lot of players in that range that will help a one of our needs. And like I said, I'm not going to whine about a pick that won't be picked until 13 months from now.

[franchise403]

According to nfl network we didn't trade first round picks. The texans keep the 8th pick.

[TheFreak]

Plus the Texans will get more picks for David Carr. He has a lot of value around the league according to Jay Glazer.

Also according to RM95 he's as good as 95 percent of the QBs in the NFL.

[updawg]

If Shaub pans out, 2 seconds will look like a small price. I will admit, if he goes P-Burnt on us, it will hurt, but given the options in the market this seems fair.
this is a good point, and you got to give them credit for trying to improve the team. I hope this works out, I think they must see something in him to make this move. Finally moving on.

[macalu]

You've made it clear you don't support them anyway. Why you and people like Baqui99 continue to post in Texans forums is the real mystery.

Schaub has been considered one of the best back-ups in the league and could've started on a number of teams. We just used our 39th pick on a non-rookie starting QB. It frees up the first rounder to use on other needs like DB, OL, DL or possibly WR.

I'm not about to get my panties in a wad over a 2008 pick that's still 13 months from being selected.
you stole my thunder. he and baqui99 don't care for the texans yet they're always in the middle of every thread. :rolleyes:

[rhester]

i hear ya.

but i think it's different. schaub started that game...he didn't inherit a prevent defense from a blowout.

and sage has never been as highly regarded as schaub has been.

I am slowly recovering from Phillip Buchanon, Casserly, Tony Hollings, VY,
Travis Johnson.....

I'm warming up now, Schaub getting AJohnson the ball 25 yds downfield, converting in the red zone, making big plays

YEAH! I'm feeling it a little now..... :cool:

[pgabriel]

You've made it clear you don't support them anyway. Why you and people like Baqui99 continue to post in Texans forums is the real mystery.

Schaub has been considered one of the best back-ups in the league and could've started on a number of teams. We just used our 39th pick on a non-rookie starting QB. It frees up the first rounder to use on other needs like DB, OL, DL or possibly WR.

I'm not about to get my panties in a wad over a 2008 pick that's still 13 months from being selected.

so with Baqui its, hey we got the defensive rookie of the year with a second rounder,

with Icehouse its who gives a flip about a second rounder? wasn't that baqui's argument?

[JeopardE]

that's exactly right. this is not "just a backup." steve young was not "just a backup." i'm not saying we're looking at the next steve young...i'm saying that it's incomplete and unfair to give schaub that label and just dismiss him. he's been impressive when given the opportunity to play...and gave Vick-doubters a ton of ammunition when he had a tremendous game he started two years back (throwing for 300 yards+ and around 3 TD's, iirc)

The guys on 790 are positively giddy about this trade. They played a clip quoting several Falcons players as saying that they would've been better off with Schaub than Vick. In other words, Michael Vick's own teammates think Matt Schaub is a better starting QB. Schaub was one of the best quarterbacks in the league not starting for his team. And the best part is - he's still young, so we're not overpaying for an old guy like Garcia. For 2 second round picks? I love it. I can't really think of a better way they could've solved the quarterback problem than this. Whatever we get for Carr is just gravy on top.

[Clutch]

I'm glad they got Schaub, but it does seem a little steep. We'll see how it pans out. Looking forward to seeing what they get for David Carr -- maybe someone will overpay. A new environment could really work for Carr.

Cause we gotta bitch about something!

What are you and Ric going to do from here when the BBS' favorite tag team, the Human Rolleyes and the Sarcaschewan Giant, can no longer mock all those who thought David Carr might be done in Houston? :)

[Silfam]

My assessment of the trade has now changed 3 times.

First I was happy when I thought it was only a 2nd round pick

Then I got pissed when I realized it was all the other picks

Now here is how I look at it:

1) Trading the 1st round picks is a wash

2) It's as if we are drafting Matt Schaub with our 2007 2nd round pick (#39) ----- which is a very good pick then.

3) The 2008 2nd round pick hurts a little bit. If we can get a 2008 2nd or 3rd for Carr that will make it better.


Let's wait to see what happens with Carr before saying this trade is good or bad. Now if we only get a 5th or 6th round pick in 2007, I will be pretty pissed.

At least I'm happy to root for some NEW GUYS -- Schaub and Ahman Green. We now must get Branch, Okoye, Levi, or Landry (I prefer Landry since we never have had a safety on this team in FIVE years, but he may not fall to us now).

[JeopardE]

Also according to RM95 he's as good as 95 percent of the QBs in the NFL.

Well, a lot of people around the league seem to think he can resurrect his career in a new environment, so there's definitely a market for him.

[MadMax]

According to nfl network we didn't trade first round picks. The texans keep the 8th pick.

more good news! :)

[rikesh316]

My assessment of the trade has now changed 3 times.

First I was happy when I thought it was only a 2nd round pick

Then I got pissed when I realized it was all the other picks

Now here is how I look at it:

1) Trading the 1st round picks is a wash

2) It's as if we are drafting Matt Schaub with our 2007 2nd round pick (#39) ----- which is a very good pick then.

3) The 2008 2nd round pick hurts a little bit. If we can get a 2008 2nd or 3rd for Carr that will make it better.


Let's wait to see what happens with Carr before saying this trade is good or bad. Now if we only get a 5th or 6th round pick in 2007, I will be pretty pissed.

At least I'm happy to root for some NEW GUYS -- Schaub and Ahman Green. We now must get Branch, Okoye, Levi, or Landry (I prefer Landry since we never have had a safety on this team in FIVE years, but he may not fall to us now).

Levi Brown sucks. Spencer says he should be healthy by camp. Black is insurance.

[MadMax]

I am slowly recovering from Phillip Buchanon, Casserly, Tony Hollings, VY,
Travis Johnson.....

I'm warming up now, Schaub getting AJohnson the ball 25 yds downfield, converting in the red zone, making big plays

YEAH! I'm feeling it a little now..... :cool:

see??!! isn't that fun?? :D

GO TEXANS!

[JeopardE]

My assessment of the trade has now changed 3 times.

First I was happy when I thought it was only a 2nd round pick

Then I got pissed when I realized it was all the other picks

Now here is how I look at it:

1) Trading the 1st round picks is a wash

2) It's as if we are drafting Matt Schaub with our 2007 2nd round pick (#39) ----- which is a very good pick then.

3) The 2008 2nd round pick hurts a little bit. If we can get a 2008 2nd or 3rd for Carr that will make it better.


Let's wait to see what happens with Carr before saying this trade is good or bad. Now if we only get a 5th or 6th round pick in 2007, I will be pretty pissed.

At least I'm happy to root for some NEW GUYS -- Schaub and Ahman Green. We now must get Branch, Okoye, Levi, or Landry (I prefer Landry since we never have had a safety on this team in FIVE years, but he may not fall to us now).

The value of the 2008 2nd is still TBD. If Schaub does take this team to the next level, that pick would end up being a low pick anyway, making the deal even sweeter for the Texans.

[OldManBernie]

this is a good point, and you got to give them credit for trying to improve the team. I hope this works out, I think they must see something in him to make this move. Finally moving on.

Yup, and we can finally hold Kubiak accountable for the offense now. He has his guy at QB, and he better get us a winning season in 2 years.

[Groogrux]

so with Baqui its, hey we got the defensive rookie of the year with a second rounder,

with Icehouse its who gives a flip about a second rounder? wasn't that baqui's argument?

Baqui99 was saying the second rounder wouldn't matter since the Texans would just screw the pick up anyway. That sounds even more retarded than usual from him considering this regime picked the DROY with the only second round pick they've used.

I don't give a flip about a second rounder in 2008 when it fills a need by adding a non-rookie starting QB and opens up our first round pick to be used on a position that's more likely to come in and contribute faster than a rookie QB normally would.

[macalu]

so with Baqui its, hey we got the defensive rookie of the year with a second rounder,

with Icehouse its who gives a flip about a second rounder? wasn't that baqui's argument?
Baquii's argument is just to troll.

[Groogrux]

What are you and Ric going to do from here when the BBS' favorite tag team, the Human Rolleyes and the Sarcaschewan Giant, can no longer mock all those who thought David Carr might be done in Houston? :)

I've said from a little after halfway through the 2006 that I a) thought Carr was gone and b) wanted Carr gone.

So, I'm happy as all get out right now. :)

[Khal80]

if we are not trading down in the first round this year and giving up the 2 second rounders isnt much....

we were likely going to draft a QB so just take it as we drafted schaub as the 39th pick and gave up ONE second rounder next year

people just think of it as 2 2nd rounders, when they dont realize we are getting a player in return...so really just one....well thats how i see it

he will be a great qb here....he is the anti-carr which many people will be happy about...good play making skills..pretty sure andre will be very happy

as far as the texans, i think they are addressing alot of holes on the team and adding depth where needed......im ready for the season

and we havnt even gotten to the draft nor made any other trades/moves

go texans

[OldManBernie]

Baqui99 was saying the second rounder wouldn't matter since the Texans would just screw the pick up anyway. That sounds even more retarded than usual from him considering this regime picked the DROY with the only second round pick they've used.

I don't give a flip about a second rounder in 2008 when it fills a need by adding a non-rookie starting QB and opens up our first round pick to be used on a position that's more likely to come in and contribute faster than a rookie QB normally would.

I'm starting to agree with you about the second rounder. Also, considering we have some significant cap space next year, that should absorb the loss of the 2nd round pick.

[Icehouse]

you stole my thunder. he and baqui99 don't care for the texans yet they're always in the middle of every thread. :rolleyes:

As a non-caring Houstonian that is forced to spend money on the Texans if my girl or lil brothers want to go to a game I have a right to bi*%h when I feel they do something stupid, as I am forced to watch the stupidity on the field and pay money for others to watch as well. ;)

[rikesh316]

Consdering the Patriots got a 1st round pick for Deion Branch and the Dolphins got a 2nd round pick for Wes Welker, 2 2nd round picks for good QB is not much.

[studogg]

As a non-caring Houstonian that is forced to spend money on the Texans if my girl or lil brothers want to go to a game I have a right to bi*%h when I feel they do something stupid, as I am forced to watch the stupidity on the field and pay money for others to watch as well. ;)

well hell, if that's the case. You can pay for me to go to some games and I'll listen to you complain the whole way through :D

[msn]

I'm not going to whine about a pick that won't be picked until 13 months from now.
I agree about the no whining part--but a 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick no matter when it happens; let's not write off its value. The Texans will need a strong draft next year, too; I hope they are able to acquire a pick or two to replenish this one.

IMO the question of whether 2 2nd round picks is too much for Schaub, especially given that we may not get one 2nd round pick for our starting QB, is a valid question, whining aside. That said, I like the deal on its surface--especially given the hope that we acquire a pick or two for Carr.

David, I wish you the best buddy. May you get 300 yds and 2 TDs per game until you play the Texans, at which point, (nothing personal) I hope you get your ass kicked.

[MadMax]

Consdering the Patriots got a 1st round pick for Deion Branch and the Dolphins got a 2nd round pick for Wes Welker, 2 2nd round picks for good QB is not much.

what a great point. i didn't even consider that.

[Baqui99]

so with Baqui its, hey we got the defensive rookie of the year with a second rounder,

with Icehouse its who gives a flip about a second rounder? wasn't that baqui's argument?

He played quarterback for Virginia in college, has 2 career starts in the NFL, has the same # of career touchdowns (6) as interceptions, has a career passer rating of less than 70.

[macalu]

if we are not trading down in the first round this year and giving up the 2 second rounders isnt much....

we were likely going to draft a QB so just take it as we drafted schaub as the 39th pick and gave up ONE second rounder next year

people just think of it as 2 2nd rounders, when they dont realize we are getting a player in return...so really just one....well thats how i see it

he will be a great qb here....he is the anti-carr which many people will be happy about...good play making skills..pretty sure andre will be very happy

as far as the texans, i think they are addressing alot of holes on the team and adding depth where needed......im ready for the season

and we havnt even gotten to the draft nor made any other trades/moves

go texans

anyone who thinks we overpayed, please read this post. especially the bolded part.

[updawg]

He played quarterback for Virginia in college, has 2 career starts in the NFL, has the same # of career touchdowns (6) as interceptions, has a career passer rating of less than 70.
that doesn't mean anything at this point in his career.

[pgabriel]

Consdering the Patriots got a 1st round pick for Deion Branch and the Dolphins got a 2nd round pick for Wes Welker, 2 2nd round picks for good QB is not much.


branch was a starter. also consider schaub was a third round pick. Its a wait and see deal for the texans right now. the price right now seems steep.

[rrj_gamz]

I agree, the 1st rounder is a wash...But two seconds...Well, we have a lot of holes to fill, so maybe this is the first part of the Texans plan...The second part would be to get some value for Carr, albeit, I don't think it'll be a first, but definitely a 2nd and a 3rd...Two 2nds would be great, but I don't think anyone is that dumb...

This also hurts as we won't be getting Kolb...I really think this guy will have a great future...

As for Matt, I know a lot of teams wanted him and I think this will be a good thing...I hope Gary, Rick et al are right...

[msn]

GO TEXANS!
Whoa, MM!!! Did you just say, "go Texans," in all caps with an exclamation point?? :D :D

[Baqui99]

Or the DROY, Trolly McRetardenstein. :rolleyes:

I'll see your DROY, and raise you Tony Hollings, Travis Johnson, Philip Buchanon, and Jason Babin.

[macalu]

As a non-caring Houstonian that is forced to spend money on the Texans if my girl or lil brothers want to go to a game I have a right to bi*%h when I feel they do something stupid, as I am forced to watch the stupidity on the field and pay money for others to watch as well. ;)
your girl and brother should be bitching on here then. you should just sit quietly in the corner wallowing in your apathy. :)

[kaleidosky]

Consdering the Patriots got a 1st round pick for Deion Branch and the Dolphins got a 2nd round pick for Wes Welker, 2 2nd round picks for good QB is not much.

well said. And that's with Branch being in the bitchy "trade me" mode...which usually decreases value.

As we've said, I think if people would stop thinking of Schaub as a "backup QB", people wouldn't be as upset. If we traded for the starting QB for the Falcons, I think a bunch of people would say "oh ok, not a bad price".


--random sidenote memory..."Sean Jones of the Houston Oilers" just appeared on a rerun of Home Improvement ;) Yeah, I'm taking the day off semi-sick, heh

[Blake]

I'll see your DROY, and raise you Tony Hollings, Travis Johnson, Philip Buchanon, and Jason Babin.

different coach/GM

and about your stats on Schaub...look at Brady's resume before taking over full time for Bledsoe

Not saying Schaub is Brady, but I am saying that college and limited experience can mean jack $hit

[rikesh316]

branch was a starter. also consider schaub was a third round pick. Its a wait and see deal for the texans right now. the price right now seems steep.

It doesn't matter Schaub was a third round pick. Branch is a number two receiver at best.

[dntrwl]

guess this means no Quinn or Peterson anyways, going to be another unexciting year for the Texans, what a load of bs in my opinion.

[Groogrux]

I'll see your DROY, and raise you Tony Hollings, Travis Johnson, Philip Buchanon, and Jason Babin.

Considering your playing with players that were picked in the second round by people no longer employed by the Texans, I go all-in, Trolly.

[MiniMing]

guess this means no Quinn or Peterson anyways, going to be another unexciting year for the Texans, what a load of bs in my opinion.

We had no chance at Peterson and Quinn would of been the next Carr anyways..

[Mr. Clutch]

branch was a starter. also consider schaub was a third round pick. Its a wait and see deal for the texans right now. the price right now seems steep.

I agree it is steep. But considering the situation the Texans were in- Garcia, Plummer, and Ramsey were all gone, and there were no other viable options- then it was probably the best they could do. Quinn would be the other option, but it probably would be unlikely that they could trade up for him if another team really wanted him.

[kaleidosky]

guess this means no Quinn or Peterson anyways, going to be another unexciting year for the Texans, what a load of bs in my opinion.

If Quinn or Peterson is the only thing that would excite you, then you're already screwed

[pgabriel]

It doesn't matter Schaub was a third round pick. Branch is a number two receiver at best.

I don't know why you guys keep pumping up the branch deal. common thought is seattle way overpaid for him then and after he's been there, people still think they overpaid. so I wouldn't use that as a standard. and you can say, "yeah but he's not your avg backup" he's a backup with little game experience, branch came off being superbowl mvp.

[MadMax]

Whoa, MM!!! Did you just say, "go Texans," in all caps with an exclamation point?? :D :D

not the first time i've done that!

[Baqui99]

I wonder if Schaub will enjoy playing behind that badass Texan o-line.

[rhester]

I wonder if Schaub will enjoy playing behind that badass Texan o-line.

I think their OL just got better ;)

[Mr. Clutch]

I wonder if Schaub will enjoy playing behind that badass Texan o-line.

It wont be the same line. Healthy players (like the promising rook Spencer) will return. And there is this thing called free agency where teams can get new players.

[Blake]

I wonder if Schaub will enjoy playing behind that badass Texan o-line.
why do you post in this thread?

[BigM]

so any printed confirmation that we didn't swap first rounders? i guess 10 isn't that big of a slide down, but could be for those that want landry.

[pgabriel]

I agree it is steep. But considering the situation the Texans were in- Garcia, Plummer, and Ramsey were all gone, and there were no other viable options- then it was probably the best they could do. Quinn would be the other option, but it probably would be unlikely that they could trade up for him if another team really wanted him.

actually I agree, and one thing I will say is that its nice to see them making a move of any sort. and not going after some retread, I didn't want to see plummer here, nor garcia, and I didn't want them to draft a rookie high. I think this is the best move on their part outside of drafting a project in the later rounds. at least you can say this is truly a move for the future.

[MadMax]

uh, oh..time to re-think my opinion. Justice likes the deal:

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/03/texans_get_a_qb.html

I love this trade. Matt Schaub could be a star.
This is a terrific day for the Texans. Matt Schaub has more physical tools than any quarterback they could have acquired in free agency or the draft. He would surprise almost no one by becoming a star.

About all he hasn't done is prove he's the real deal. That's the risk in the trade the Texans were on the verge of making Wednesday. Until Matt Schaub has a chance to get on the field and prove he can play, we're not going to know. That's life. Give the Texans credit for identifying the guy they wanted and zeroing in on him. Suddenly, the off-season has some focus.

It was clear they were lukewarm about Jeff Garcia and Jake Plummer. It was clear they didn't want David Carr back. It was also clear Brady Quinn wasn't going to be available unless the Texans moved way up from their eighth position in the first round. So they went for Schaub, apparently surrendering their 2007 and 2008 second-round picks and exchanging first-round picks in 2007. The Texans will drop from eighth to 10th in the first round.

He's 25 years old. He's 6-5, 237 pounds. He has started just two games in three NFL seasons and has as many interceptions (six) as touchdown passes (six). Gary Kubiak clearly believes he can do great things with Schaub. There's much work to do around him. The Texans need a speed wide receiver to line up across from Andre Johnson.

But with Ahman Green and Owen Daniels and Andre Johnson, and now with Schaub, there are the makings of a very good offensive team--if Kubiak and GM Rick Smith are right about Schaub.

If this move works out, the Texans won't just be better next season. They could be dramatically better. They improved from 2-14 to 6-10 in the first season under Kubiak and Smith. They were one play from winning four other games. Yes, the next step up is the hardest to take.

That said, they seem to be getting there. Chemistry matters, especially in the NFL. Experience matters, too, especially in the NFL. Until today, improving the chemistry and professionalism was the most impressive thing the Texans had done in this off-season. Yes, they signed a lot of old guys who aren't costing a lot of money. Given their salary cap issues, they had no choice. They're also bringing professionalism into the locker room.

Once upon a time, you could look around their locker room and not see enough experienced, solid guys, the kind of guys every successful NFL team has. That began to change dramatically last season with the addition of Anthony Weaver and Ephraim Salaam. There was the day Salaam cut short a news conference to be at the hospital with Charles Spencer after his surgery. He was just as diligent in helping Spencer learn the ropes of playing offensive line in the NFL.

With Tuesday's signing of 32-year-old Shawn Barber, the Texans have added four free agents with at least seven years of experience: Barber, LB Danny Clark, RB Ahman Green and DT Jeff Zgonina. Salaam and DE N.D. Kalu have been re-signed.

"First and foremost, the guys we've signed and re-signed are good players that we think can help our team," GM Rick Smith said. "Then, there's the added benefit of them being good leaders."

These are important additions in the grand scheme of things. The Texans still have many needs. Good teams have a blend of youth and experience. The Texans need more talented kids. They need more speed. Okay, they need a lot of things. One of their pressing needs has been more veteran players, the guys who set an example and have a presence. The Texans are filling this need. With the talent gap slight in the NFL, the teams that go around their business the right way have an edge.

[Groogrux]

Now you're going to disagree with Justice? ;)

[MadMax]

uh, oh...McClain likes it too:

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/03/what_schaub_could_mean_to_the_1.html

What Schaub could mean to the Texans
To those of you who e-mailed me and suggested that the Texans should go after Falcons quarterback Matt Schaub, I stand corrected. I didn't think he'd be traded, and I didn't think Schaub would be coming to Houston if Atlanta did decide to part with him.

Although nothing is official, the Texans are getting Schaub, a highly thought of backup to Michael Vick the last three years, for at least a second-round draft choice.

I didn't think Schaub would be traded by new Atlanta coach Bobby Petrino, but, man, was I wrong. Teams inquired about trading for Schaub in the past, but former coach Jim Mora wouldn't deal him.

The Texans are signing Schaub to a long-term contract. He'll compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels.

Now, what does this mean for David Carr and the draft? I've been telling you since December that I thought Carr would be traded. I still believe he will be. But it takes two to tango. The Texans want a first-day pick, but so far, there have been no takers. They're hoping that on draft day or right after, a team that hasn't solved its quarterback problem will step up and make them an offer that appeals to them.

As for the draft, getting Schaub means the Texans don't think Brady Quinn will be available at the eighth spot. It also means they won't be planning to use a first-day pick on a quarterback for coach Gary Kubiak to develop. Mock drafts will have to be altered.

Here's what I believe about the first round: They won't draft a quarterback or an offensive tackle. They might trade down and take a receiver or a cornerback or free safety. General manager Rick Smith would love to acquire extra picks to help restock the roster.

Remember when the Texans tried to sign Jeff Garcia and Patrick Ramsey but lost out to Tampa Bay and Denver? It was obvious they wanted another quarterback to go with Rosenfels because Carr won't be on the team next season. There were no more free agents worth pursuing. Once Falcons general manager Rich McKay and Petrino decided to trade Schaub, the Texans got interested.

Schaub hasn't played a lot during his three-year career. His statistics aren't very impressive, but just about everyone in the NFL who has paid attention to him in preseason and regular season thinks he's got a chance to become a big-time quarterback.

Schaub, who turns 27 in June, is 6-5, 237. The Falcons speak highly of him. But he was a restricted free agent who would have been gone after next season, and they would have received no compensation for him. Teams don't slap the franchise tag on backup quarterbacks.

Although Schaub has excellent size, he also moves well. In Kubiak's system, the quarterback has to be able to roll out to both sides. Scouts who have watched Schaub say he throws well on the run and that he moves well enough to avoid the rush and to gain yards when he's forced to run.

The Texans didn't want to part with draft choices, but Smith and Kubiak believed Schaub was too good to pass up. Kubiak has been looking for a quarterback who he believes is ideal for what he wants to do with the Texans' offense.

The trade makes sense for the Falcons because they'll have an extra high draft choice. They like D.J. Shockley as their backup quarterback behind Vick, although Petrino might want to acquire another one.

[conquistador#11]

I've been one of david carr's biggest supporters.Infact,I still believe that the organization failed him and not the other way around;but I must admit this trade has made my day :).Now what do I with my carr Jersey?

[MadMax]

Now you're going to disagree with Justice? ;)

not at all! which is scary! :D he has a bit of a streak going with me.

[Blake]

I love how Justice flip-flops from week to week. He isn't too bad when it comes to baseball, but he really should stay away from the other sports

(Though that article is pretty good) :D

[kaleidosky]

so any printed confirmation that we didn't swap first rounders? i guess 10 isn't that big of a slide down, but could be for those that want landry.

espn confirmed that we DID swap 1st's and we gave up 2 2nd's as originally thought

[kaleidosky]

I've been one of david carr's biggest supporters.Infact,I still believe that the organization failed him and not the other way around;but I must admit this trade has made my day :).Now what do I with my carr Jersey?

trade it for a schaub jersey and a practice jersey to be turned over in 2008

[MiniMing]

Our line does need to improve in order for Schaub to suceed.

And handing the ball off to Ahman won't take any pressure off..

[macalu]

Our line does need to improve in order for Schaub to suceed.

And handing the ball off to Ahman won't take any pressure off..

????

i thought you gave up on the Texans on draft day last year.

[KingCheetah]

Wow, this is a great move by the Texans -- I did not think anyone had a chance to grab Schaub from Atlanta. :eek:

[Lil' Worm]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2807051

[Mr. Clutch]

From Justice:
It was clear they were lukewarm about Jeff Garcia and Jake Plummer.

From McLane:
Remember when the Texans tried to sign Jeff Garcia and Patrick Ramsey but lost out to Tampa Bay and Denver? It was obvious they wanted another quarterback to go with Rosenfels because Carr won't be on the team next season.


Figure it out, guys. How on earth does Justice know they were lukewarm about Garcia and Plummer? All indications were the Texans made a serious effort to get them.

[MiniMing]

????

i thought you gave up on the Texans on draft day last year.

Was just meaning the Texans.. my bad. Don't really mean "our", "our" as in people who live in Houston, and I live in Houston.

Still don't think this is a good move or it will work out.

I'll check myself next time I say "our" and put in "The Texans".

[studogg]

From Justice:
It was clear they were lukewarm about Jeff Garcia and Jake Plummer.

From McLane:
Remember when the Texans tried to sign Jeff Garcia and Patrick Ramsey but lost out to Tampa Bay and Denver? It was obvious they wanted another quarterback to go with Rosenfels because Carr won't be on the team next season.


Figure it out, guys. How on earth does Justice know they were lukewarm about Garcia and Plummer? All indications were the Texans made a serious effort to get them.

they could both be right. Just because we wanted them, doesn't mean we were willing to pay what they signed for or what they wanted from us.

[#1rocketsfan]

God this board has gotten so ridiculous at times. Half of you people on here are just puppets. You like the trade at first then when a few start saying that its too steep you do a complete 180. Are most of the ages on this board under the age of twelve? If so things would be a lot clearer. Ive got news for most of you, in trades you usually have to to take what we call a gamble. Say it with me now. If it were a sure thing then why the hell would another team ever do the trade? To get worse? I am just so sick of the immaturity. Dont get me wrong there are alot of people with alot of stuff to say that is actually meaningful on this board but as for the puppets, and you should know who you are by now, please I beg you to just grow up. God I cant wait for the next two seasons where the idiots start starting threads about anybody that panned out in the second round for these next two drafts. Should really create some meaningful conversation.

[Clutch]

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/65x90/6849.jpg

He looks like Tom Brady's hillbilly cousin.

[leroy420]

this is quite the shocker from the Texans. No one knew he was on the block, let alone that the Texans would be the destination. I say this is a great move. Whether or not Carr will be good is a moot point. The Texans have to shake off that odor of losing and it's face is David Carr. He's lost fan support and most likely, worst of all, teammate support (Dunta's comments on Cold Pizza for example).

Good move by the Texans...sometimes you have to spend money (2 2nd's) to make money.

[Mr. Clutch]

they could both be right. Just because we wanted them, doesn't mean we were willing to pay what they signed for or what they wanted from us.

Yes it's very possible, but I didn't read any evidence that we weren't willing to pay Plummer and Garcia what was necessary. I think Justice might have pulled that one out of his arse. If we liked Schaub more then why weren't there any rumors about him until after Plummer and Garcia were gone?

[The Cat]

He played quarterback for Virginia in college, has 2 career starts in the NFL, has the same # of career touchdowns (6) as interceptions, has a career passer rating of less than 70.

I don't see why that's such a big deal to you, considering you're in love with a quarterback who has thrown fewer career touchdowns than interceptions and also has a career passer rating of less than 70.

[Mr. Clutch]

I don't see why that's such a big deal to you, considering you're in love with a quarterback who has thrown fewer career touchdowns than interceptions and also has a career passer rating of less than 70.

but does Shaub have "IT" ?

[msn]

I love how Justice flip-flops from week to week. He isn't too bad when it comes to baseball, but he really should stay away from the other sports

(Though that article is pretty good) :D
Huh??? Clearly and easily one of the worst baseball writers I've ever read. Historic flip-flops where baseball is concerned. Justice is a BBS'er who landed a job in journalism--all emotion, all sarcasm, and precious little meaningful content. Certainly no respectable journalism. Berkman calls him "Richard Justice, Writer of Wrongs"; I just call him that idiot that writes that drivel for the Chronicle which embarrases on an increasing basis week after week.

Fourth largest city. Worst sports section in the nation.

[MiniMing]

God this board has gotten so ridiculous at times. Half of you people on here are just puppets. You like the trade at first then when a few start saying that its too steep you do a complete 180. Are most of the ages on this board under the age of twelve? If so things would be a lot clearer. Ive got news for most of you, in trades you usually have to to take what we call a gamble. Say it with me now. If it were a sure thing then why the hell would another team ever do the trade? To get worse? I am just so sick of the immaturity. Dont get me wrong there are alot of people with alot of stuff to say that is actually meaningful on this board but as for the puppets, and you should know who you are by now, please I beg you to just grow up. God I cant wait for the next two seasons where the idiots start starting threads about anybody that panned out in the second round for these next two drafts. Should really create some meaningful conversation.

Well.. the Falcons had to trade him in some point in time, because he was going to be a restricted free agent and they weren't going to sign him to a long-term deal.

So they had to get what they could.. they got the better end of this deal.

I still don't see how this backup QB gets some much hype. The Falcons robbed us.

[ryan17wagner]

For the record, he has two career starts...both losses. And one team was the Texans! :o

[Ziggy]

San Diego Chargers need to take not of this trade. Although they have an excellent GM and management they should have traded Rivers for major picks and held on to Brees.

The Falcons just traded a bench player for significant draft picks. This trade will be huge for them. Way smarter than just letting Schaub leave in the future. This trade will have an immediate impact on their talent level whereas hanging onto Schaub did nothing.

[MadMax]

i'm going out as soon as possible and buying a schaub jersey for my son.

[msn]

The Texans have to shake off that odor of losing and it's face is David Carr. He's lost fan support and most likely, worst of all, teammate support (Dunta's comments on Cold Pizza for example).
Be careful, there are those that will construe this as "irresponsibly making s*** up". After all, Dunta's comments weren't as bad as people make them out to be, and there is no factual evidence--none--that any other teammates are unhappy with David. Since there is no factual evidence, it's completely unreasonable to assume anything but that all Texans *love* to play with a piece of crap QB who hasn't improved since 2004. Any other assumption is irresponsible.

(/sarcasm)

[MadMax]

San Diego Chargers need to take not of this trade. Although they have an excellent GM and management they should have traded Rivers for major picks and held on to Brees.

The Falcons just traded a bench player for significant draft picks. This trade will be huge for them. Way smarter than just letting Schaub leave in the future. This trade will have an immediate impact on their talent level whereas hanging onto Schaub did nothing.

i agree...

and let me say, just because it's a good trade for ATL doesn't mean it can't be a good trade for us, too.

[MadMax]

Be careful, there are those that will construe this as "irresponsibly making s*** up". After all, Dunta's comments weren't as bad as people make them out to be, and there is no factual evidence--none--that any other teammates are unhappy with David. Since there is no factual evidence, it's completely unreasonable to assume anything but that all Texans *love* to play with a piece of crap QB who hasn't improved since 2004. Any other assumption is irresponsible.

(/sarcasm)

i think we can now safely and responsibly assume the texans lost confidence in david carr.

[xiki]

This guy had better be the real deal because this is a tres expensive deal.

[studogg]

the voice of the Atlanta Falcons was just on with Vandertexan and sounded quite disheartened by the trade. In his opinion, they didn't get enough and he feels that Schaub will be a very good qb.

[MiniMing]

This guy had better be the real deal because this is a tres expensive deal.

Yeah it is..

Our 2nd round picks for 2007 and 2008, and then moving two spots back in this years draft.

I don't get this trade.

[Mr. Clutch]

actually I agree, and one thing I will say is that its nice to see them making a move of any sort. and not going after some retread, I didn't want to see plummer here, nor garcia, and I didn't want them to draft a rookie high. I think this is the best move on their part outside of drafting a project in the later rounds. at least you can say this is truly a move for the future.

I also still like the move. Though I bet Schaub was the FOURTH choice, after Plummer, Garcia, and Ramsey. I think they Texans preferred to keep all their picks and take one of those guys (who IMO would be worse than Schaub). And mybe Kubiak is too confident in his QB- molding abilities if he really wanted Plummer and Ramsey.

[pgabriel]

God this board has gotten so ridiculous at times. Half of you people on here are just puppets. You like the trade at first then when a few start saying that its too steep you do a complete 180. Are most of the ages on this board under the age of twelve? If so things would be a lot clearer. Ive got news for most of you, in trades you usually have to to take what we call a gamble. Say it with me now. If it were a sure thing then why the hell would another team ever do the trade? To get worse? I am just so sick of the immaturity. Dont get me wrong there are alot of people with alot of stuff to say that is actually meaningful on this board but as for the puppets, and you should know who you are by now, please I beg you to just grow up. God I cant wait for the next two seasons where the idiots start starting threads about anybody that panned out in the second round for these next two drafts. Should really create some meaningful conversation.


so now its being a puppet critically looking at a deal? :confused:

[macalu]

Yeah it is..

Our 2nd round picks for 2007 and 2008, and then moving two spots back in this years draft.

I don't get this trade.

we get Schaub at QB. this prevents us from picking a QB with our 8th pick. at number 10, we can go a number of ways.

we still have Carr to move. this deal really isn't done until we see what we get for Carr.

[MadMax]

Yeah it is..

Our 2nd round picks for 2007 and 2008, and then moving two spots back in this years draft.

I don't get this trade.

then you're underrating matt schaub's potential and how highly those around the NFL think of him.

[MadMax]

I also still like the move. Though I bet Schaub was the FOURTH choice, after Plummer, Garcia, and Ramsey. I think they Texans preferred to keep all their picks and take one of those guys (who IMO would be worse than Schaub). And mybe Kubiak is too confident in his QB- molding abilities if he really wanted Plummer and Ramsey.


i disagree. i think they felt schaub was not obtainable, because that's what the falcons communicated. but at this point of his career, he is the only one of the guys you listed who has anything remotely resembling upside.

[jeff from vandy]

I'll take a long term answer behind center and possibly a great quarterback for two 2nd round pick any day of the week.

Hopefully the Falcons will be known for giving up Favre and now Schaub.

GREAT MOVE! :cool:

[MadMax]

I'll take a long term answer behind center and possibly a great quarterback for two 2nd round pick any day of the week.

Hopefully the Falcons will be known for giving up Favre and now Schaub.

GREAT MOVE! :cool:

particulalry when you consider what other trades have cost teams this offseason in terms of draft picks.

[BigSherv]

Chunk up the deuce for Carr!

"See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!"

http://cdn.channel.aol.com/channels/06/07/4521300f-00243-01a96-400cb8e1

[Mr. Clutch]

i disagree. i think they felt schaub was not obtainable, because that's what the falcons communicated. but at this point of his career, he is the only one of the guys you listed who has anything remotely resembling upside.

So the Texans didn't bother inquiring about Schaub until after Plummer and Garcia were gone? I doubt that, I bet they just didn't want to give up so many picks.

[Cannonball]

For a comparison:

When Seattle aquired Matt Hasselbeck from Green Bay, they swapped first rounders (pick 10 for 17) and gave up a 3rd round pick (#72 overall).

[rimbaud]

He's 25 years old. He's 6-5, 237 pounds.

Schaub, who turns 27 in June, is 6-5, 237.

You gotta love the Houston sports media.

Schaub was born June 1981...so he will be 26.

[Cannonball]

You gotta love the Houston sports media.

Schaub was born June 1981...so he will be 26.

Well, then Justice is right. He's 25 and then be 26 in June.

[steddinotayto]

So the Texans didn't bother inquiring about Schaub until after Plummer and Garcia were gone? I doubt that, I bet they just didn't want to give up so many picks.

wasn't this because:

1. Plummer is a QB that Kubiak knows well. There would have been little to no learning curve when it came to Kubiak's offense for Jake. And Jake was shown the door once Cutler got going.

2. Garcia's hot streak probably made him too expensive on the FA market. He would have came at a lower price if he had signed with Houston instead of Philly BEFORE last season.

3. Schaub was being held at a King's ransom by the Falcons at the end of the season I believe. The Falcons knew that they couldn't give up on Vick at QB (which would have set their franchise back about 10 years) and also knew that there were a lot of teams out there that needed a QB.

4. And once Plummer's rights were traded and then the Snake retired (tacked on the signing of Garcia to the Bucs), both the Texans and the Falcons were in a bind. Texans saw the well for FA or available QBs were getting dry and the Falcons saw that they couldn't try to finagle a better deal for Schaub, so both teams got this deal done.

Granted, this is all based on what I've read and heard, but it seems plausible. Schaub is better than Jake in terms of age and athleticism. Sure, the guy hasn't won a single game yet, but I rather see Schaub as our QB than a retread Plummer. As for Schaub vs. Garcia, I don't know. I wouldn't mind having Garcia, but I think he would also have been just another stop-gap player for the Texans. With Schaub, you at least get the satisfaction that you're starting with a QB that has potential and not one that has seen better days.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

My only regret is that I wish we'd have given up our third this year instead of our second.

Swapping draft positions, that's basically nothing, considering all signs pointed to Quinn and Peterson being taken before 8. With the 10, we can go a few different ways...Offensive Line (Levi Brown), Safety (LaRon Landry or Nelson), Cornerback (Hall), Defensive Line (Okoye or Branch), Receiver (Ginn), Line Backer (Willis), etc. We could even go after Marshawn Lynch, or force the Bills to move up two spots to select him (if they're interested), possibly getting a pick back.


I'm curious to see what Schaub and Carr can do on their respected new teams.

[Major]

So the Texans didn't bother inquiring about Schaub until after Plummer and Garcia were gone? I doubt that, I bet they just didn't want to give up so many picks.

Either that, or the Falcons were holding out thinking the market would be bigger. They had to dump him for something or they were going to lose him for nothing next offseason.

This really didn't cost the Texans that much.

We lost two #2 picks. However, we saved one that would have been used on a QB (probably a #3 pick). We hopefully get a #3 or #4 pick out of Carr. So in effect, it's not THAT much off a loss.

[Blake]

Huh??? Clearly and easily one of the worst baseball writers I've ever read. Historic flip-flops where baseball is concerned. Justice is a BBS'er who landed a job in journalism--all emotion, all sarcasm, and precious little meaningful content. Certainly no respectable journalism. Berkman calls him "Richard Justice, Writer of Wrongs"; I just call him that idiot that writes that drivel for the Chronicle which embarrases on an increasing basis week after week.

Fourth largest city. Worst sports section in the nation.

I always thought he did an okay job on the radio when talking about the Stros. I didn't realize he flip flops on the stros like he does our other teams. I don't read much about the Stros in the Chron, as I live in Dallas (just really the Rockets)

As for my thoughts on him as well, see sig

[MiniMing]

we get Schaub at QB. this prevents us from picking a QB with our 8th pick. at number 10, we can go a number of ways.

we still have Carr to move. this deal really isn't done until we see what we get for Carr.

LaRon Landry..

[Mr. Clutch]

wasn't this because:

1. Plummer is a QB that Kubiak knows well. There would have been little to no learning curve when it came to Kubiak's offense for Jake. And Jake was shown the door once Cutler got going.

2. Garcia's hot streak probably made him too expensive on the FA market. He would have came at a lower price if he had signed with Houston instead of Philly BEFORE last season.

3. Schaub was being held at a King's ransom by the Falcons at the end of the season I believe. The Falcons knew that they couldn't give up on Vick at QB (which would have set their franchise back about 10 years) and also knew that there were a lot of teams out there that needed a QB.

4. And once Plummer's rights were traded and then the Snake retired (tacked on the signing of Garcia to the Bucs), both the Texans and the Falcons were in a bind. Texans saw the well for FA or available QBs were getting dry and the Falcons saw that they couldn't try to finagle a better deal for Schaub, so both teams got this deal done.

Granted, this is all based on what I've read and heard, but it seems plausible. Schaub is better than Jake in terms of age and athleticism. Sure, the guy hasn't won a single game yet, but I rather see Schaub as our QB than a retread Plummer. As for Schaub vs. Garcia, I don't know. I wouldn't mind having Garcia, but I think he would also have been just another stop-gap player for the Texans. With Schaub, you at least get the satisfaction that you're starting with a QB that has potential and not one that has seen better days.

I agree with you up until #4. I don't see why the Falcons were in a bind. First, they didn't need to trade Schaub at all, and they could have gotten him for good value next year. That's not the same as the Texans, who couldn't afford to keep Carr any longer.

Don't get me wrong, I personally like Schaub better than those other guys. But I don't think the Texans thought Schaub was better than Plummer/Garcia/Ramsey + two 2nd rounders. Hence all the rumors about the Texans going after those guys first.

Also, I think the Falcons got as much as they could hope for. They got a kings ransom for their backup QB, as far as they are concerned. We probably won't even get that much for Carr.

[Mr. Clutch]

Either that, or the Falcons were holding out thinking the market would be bigger. They had to dump him for something or they were going to lose him for nothing next offseason.

This really didn't cost the Texans that much.

We lost two #2 picks. However, we saved one that would have been used on a QB (probably a #3 pick). We hopefully get a #3 or #4 pick out of Carr. So in effect, it's not THAT much off a loss.

Why would the Falcons need to dump him? They could have easily held onto him another year and he'd still have lots of value. Also, I don't think the Texans ever planned on using a lower pick on a QB, the plan was to get one in free agency. So in that sense it is losing 2 2nd rounders. My guess is the Texans sweetened the offer enough that they decided they could let him go after all.

[NJRocket]

. We probably won't even get that much for Carr.


agreed...if the texans replace even ONE of those 2 second rounders back, it would be a lot.

[steddinotayto]

I agree with you up until #4. I don't see why the Falcons were in a bind. First, they didn't need to trade Schaub at all, and they could have gotten him for good value next year. That's not the same as the Texans, who couldn't afford to keep Carr any longer.

Don't get me wrong, I personally like Schaub better than those other guys. But I don't think the Texans thought Schaub was better than Plummer/Garcia/Ramsey + two 2nd rounders. Hence all the rumors about the Texans going after those guys first.

Also, I think the Falcons got as much as they could hope for. They got a kings ransom for their backup QB, as far as they are concerned. We probably won't even get that much for Carr.


Well I think they (Atlanta) were in a bind because wasn't Schaub's contract up after next season? I can honestly say I don't know enough about how free agency works in the NFL, but I doubt they wanted to see him walk without nothing in return. Add that to the notion that the rookie QBs in this draft class could fill some holes around the league (i.e. Oakland, Miami, Detroit, etc), this would be the PERFECT time to dangle Schaub out there. Of course, the Texans bit and now they have a starting QB.

All in all, I kind of frown upon giving up "that much" for Schaub, but it was time for a fresh start. Hell, even if we didn't do the deal and Sage was going to start for us, I'd be happy just to see some new blood on the field. All I hope for now is that our O-line can actually protect Schaub.

[Groogrux]

Why would the Falcons need to dump him? They could have easily held onto him another year and he'd still have lots of value. Also, I don't think the Texans ever planned on using a lower pick on a QB, the plan was to get one in free agency. So in that sense it is losing 2 2nd rounders. My guess is the Texans sweetened the offer enough that they decided they could let him go after all.

I thought he was going to be unrestricted next offseason.

[robbie380]

wow so it is TWO 2nd rounders and move back 2 spots for schaub????? very questionable. someone please tell me this guy is that good.

[NJRocket]

The more I think about it, there are 3 ways you can build a team....draft, trades (which are next to impossible in the nfl) and free agency.....the Texans are using the latter two...and it looks pretty good so far I think.

They obviously had a plan B ;)

EDIT - the draft thing hasnt exactly worked out thus far anyway...

[Groogrux]

wow so it is TWO 2nd rounders and move back 2 spots for schaub????? very questionable. someone please tell me this guy is that good.

Basically, it's two spots and one pick for Schaub considering we were most likely going to use a first day pick on a QB. This opens up our first pick to take anyone other than Quinn, which is beautiful.

[Groogrux]

The more I think about it, there are 3 ways you can build a team....draft, trades (which are next to impossible in the nfl) and free agency.....the Texans are using the latter two...and it looks pretty good so far I think.

They obviously had a plan B ;)

EDIT - the draft thing hasnt exactly worked out thus far anyway...

Well, the draft last year was pretty good.

[NJRocket]

Well, the draft last year was pretty good.

true...but compared to what it could have been had they taken.....forget it...wrong thread..

[Major]

Why would the Falcons need to dump him? They could have easily held onto him another year and he'd still have lots of value. Also, I don't think the Texans ever planned on using a lower pick on a QB, the plan was to get one in free agency. So in that sense it is losing 2 2nd rounders. My guess is the Texans sweetened the offer enough that they decided they could let him go after all.

Schaub is an unrestricted free agent next year, I believe. They would have lost him for nothing.

[NJRocket]

Schaub is an unrestricted free agent next year, I believe. They would have lost him for nothing.

i think thats why the deal is contingent upon Schuab signing a contract here

[steddinotayto]

wow so it is TWO 2nd rounders and move back 2 spots for schaub????? very questionable. someone please tell me this guy is that good.

When he actually gets on the field he actually make the Falcons look like they have a passing game. It's not all scramble and QB option like when Vick is in there. And that's where the debate will start at: Does he look good because Vick is a piss poor passing QB or is it because he's just good?

[MadMax]

And that's where the debate will start at: Does he look good because Vick is a piss poor passing QB or is it because he's just good?

or a little of both?

the game he had two seasons back was sort of a "breakout." vick was injured, so schaub got the start. he was struggling with passing. schaub threw in excess of 300 yards and threw for 3 TD's or more..i can't remember who that game was against.

he's also looked very good in preseason starts. i think he's a good thing waiting to happen. we'll see. at the very least, it's interesting...and it's been a while since i've felt that way.

GO TEXANS!!!

[Mr. Clutch]

Schaub is an unrestricted free agent next year, I believe. They would have lost him for nothing.

I looked it up, that is correct.

[Icehouse]

your girl and brother should be bitching on here then. you should just sit quietly in the corner wallowing in your apathy. :)

I'm not bitching...just saying we gave up a lot...which IMO was stupid. Even McClain thinks we paid a steep price...

[robbie380]

Basically, it's two spots and one pick for Schaub considering we were most likely going to use a first day pick on a QB. This opens up our first pick to take anyone other than Quinn, which is beautiful.

yeah that doesn't actually make me feel better about schaub as a player. i am just saying it's pretty questionable to give up 2 2nds and move down 2 spots for an unproven hyped up player.


oh and i just checked....schaub was a late 3rd round pick.

[MadMax]

I'm not bitching...just saying we gave up a lot...which IMO was stupid. Even McClain thinks we paid a steep price...

he also thinks it's a good deal.

[Mr. Clutch]

I'm not bitching...just saying we gave up a lot...which IMO was stupid. Even McClain thinks we paid a steep price...

It is a lot, but our other options were Carr, Sage, or a rookie.

[MadMax]

yeah that doesn't actually make me feel better about schaub as a player. i am just saying it's pretty questionable to give up 2 2nds and move down 2 spots for an unproven hyped up player.


oh and i just checked....schaub was a late 3rd round pick.

deion branch is a 2nd receiver. he just commanded a 1st round pick in a trade.

a guy who a lot of folks in the NFL think is a legit starting QB is gonna command a price like this.

[steddinotayto]

or a little of both?

the game he had two seasons back was sort of a "breakout." vick was injured, so schaub got the start. he was struggling with passing. schaub threw in excess of 300 yards and threw for 3 TD's or more..i can't remember who that game was against.

he's also looked very good in preseason starts. i think he's a good thing waiting to happen. we'll see. at the very least, it's interesting...and it's been a while since i've felt that way.

GO TEXANS!!!

I think he can succeed in Houston IF he has an O-Line that can give him time in the pocket.

For the ones that don't really know about Matt Schaub, he used to have a pretty high rating in Madden even for a backup QB. :D Madden never lies folks.

[bigboymumu]

Questions that I have that maybe someone can answer for me:

Who is going to be the second receiver?
Starting cornerback other than Dunta?
I am hoping Spencer is our left tackle, who is our right? Black?
What's our defensive line rotation?

I think we are trading down for a 1st and 2nd. We need a corner and a receiver.

[MadMax]

I think he can succeed in Houston IF he has an O-Line that can give him time in the pocket.
.

by the end of the year, they showed vast improvement in that. it's gonna get better. schaub will do well, i believe.

i'm really excited about it.

[NewRoxFan]

Sounds like a consistent description of the new QB... pocket passer, throws a more traditional "over the top" motion, good touch on short and medium passes but doesn't have a strong arm, good decision maker but tends to get "happy feet".

[steddinotayto]

Questions that I have that maybe someone can answer for me:

Who is going to be the second receiver?



Honestly, the funny thing is I think Moulds would be perfect with Schaub at QB. He might have shown some signs of aging, but I felt he was underutilized last year with Carr and his love for quick outs.

[Jared Novak]

The Texans are most likely going to trade down and try to recoup the lost second rounder this year. I think its a smart move to trade down and get more picks for all the holes on this team.

I'm not too keen on this trade, but you have to give up value in order to get value. Hopefully Schaub will prove to be the QB that we need to get us over .500.

[rezdawg]

Wow, just got home and noticed this...

My thoughts.

I like Schaub and I think he can do well. Not sure where is ceiling is, but it will definitely be an improvement.

2 second round picks is a little steep, imo. Im not too sure I like that since I am a big fan of hoarding draft picks. Im hoping Carr can give us back one of those...but it will probably be a 3rd rounder in exchange for him.

Im disappointed about swapping first round picks. That means no Landry. In other words, Atlanta got 2 second rounders and essentially guaranteed themselves Landry. Great, great deal for them.

That would be awesome if we could give Oakland the keys to Carr in exchange for Porter and their 3rd.

That, or I'd look to trade down...again, focusing on NE two first rounders or the Bears, pick 31 and 37.

[robbie380]

Great, great deal for them.


i think that sums it up.
:(

[MadMax]

i think that sums it up.
:(

deals can be good for both sides.

[steddinotayto]

That would be awesome if we could give Oakland the keys to Carr in exchange for Porter and their 3rd.
.

I know there has been ZERO info about this but I honestly think if it is manageable, I don't see why a Carr for Porter trade wouldn't be beneficial for both clubs.

We get the 2nd WR we need and they get the QB they need to go along with Moss and maybe Calvin Johnson. Would I rather get more for Carr? Of course, but getting Porter isn't bad at all.

[percicles]

What a bunch of retards. Is casserly behind this? It has his fingerprints all over? Butt rape and all.

[BigM]

2 second round picks is a little steep, imo. Im not too sure I like that since I am a big fan of hoarding draft picks. Im hoping Carr can give us back one of those...but it will probably be a 3rd rounder in exchange for him.

Im disappointed about swapping first round picks. That means no Landry. In other words, Atlanta got 2 second rounders and essentially guaranteed themselves Landry. Great, great deal for them.



exactly, how i feel. i'm very interested in landry but if it's true that the texans planned on getting quinn at 8 then we wouldn't have gotten him anyway. this gives us our quarterback and frees up the 10th pick for someone else. plus i don't know that the talent level between 8 and 10 is even a dropoff at all. that second-rounder this year really hurts, especially coming off stealing demeco in the second.

[Baqui99]

How can a team with so many holes on it, afford to give away high draft picks like this? If I were them I would've used the 1st rounder on a OT like Levi Brown or a Safety in LaRon Landry. Then they could spend the second round on a Justin Blaylock or Dameion Hughes. There are gaping holes on the O-line and Secondary, and the LBs are shaky, and those 2nd round picks are valuable.

I'm not bashing Schaub -> I happen to think he might be worth the gamble, and might even end up as a Matt Hasselbeck type if given the chance to shine. But with so many holes, I would've rather addressed the QB via free agency. It's not like this team is in "win-now" mode anyways. So what's the rush?