Carr to be traded?

[Joshfast]

Word over on the official Texans board is that they have been told to remove Carr from the banner today. Also some stuff about 610 saying Marc Berman has told them we might hear something by the end of the day.......

EDIT: http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=36409

[updawg]

please...

[rrj_gamz]

Cool...oh wait...wtf do I do with my Carr jersey...

[ima_drummer2k]

Hmmm, an interesting topic for discussion. It's something no one wants to talk about on this bbs.

Maybe we should start. Ric? MadMax? Major? up and rez dawgs? msn? Care to chime in? I'm interested to know your opinions on this subject.

;)

[redefined]

Cool...oh wait...wtf do I do with my Carr jersey...

Sell it to someone with the last name Carr :p

[rhester]

As soon as John and Lance get back on Clutchfans they will say something on 610 :D

[MadMax]

Word over on the official Texans board is that they have been told to remove Carr from the banner today. Also some stuff about 610 saying Marc Berman has told them we might hear something by the end of the day.......

can you link us to that board? is it on the texans website?

[studogg]

paging ric....

[Joshfast]

can you link us to that board? is it on the texans website?

Edited with the link. I hope it's true and we can just move on..

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=36409

[pradaxpimp]

Cool...oh wait...wtf do I do with my Carr jersey...

wipe ur ass with it.

[MadMax]

interesting. thanks for posting it.

[updawg]

Edited with the link. I hope it's true and we can just move on..

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=36409
from that link, one of the posters said he was supposed to change the banner to one w/o carr. Interesting. I assume thats the official Texans website, and not a fan site?

[chow_yun_fat]

Finally...good riddens (carr)!!!

[Achilleus]

My guess is it is a for a second round draft pick.

!!!

Maybe a third...

[rhester]

Wow- they are hot on it on the Texan board... but its just rumor as of now...

BTW- this is the time for my trade idea-
Offer Oakland Carr for a 3rd round pick-
Al Davis can draft Calvin Johnson and have his QB too. :D

Minn. works for me also

3rd rounder please

[MadMax]

My guess is it is a for a second round draft pick.

!!!

Maybe a third...

if we get a 2nd round pick, i'll dance a jig.

if we get a 3rd round pick...i'll still dance a jig.

[Austin70]

What did we get for Henson? I forget.

[MadMax]

Wow- they are hot on it on the Texan board... but its just rumor as of now...

BTW- this is the time for my trade idea-
Offer Oakland Carr for a 3rd round pick-
Al Davis can draft Calvin Johnson and have his QB too. :D

Minn. works for me also

3rd rounder please

if that happens, then either jamarcus or brady falls to us. would be interesting to see what the texans do if either falls that far.

[rhester]

if we get a 2nd round pick, i'll dance a jig.

if we get a 3rd round pick...i'll still dance a jig.

If we get a 2nd- Rick Smith is the MAN!

Get me a 2nd rd for Carr and I'm over IT!

[Achilleus]

Does "by the end of the day" mean end of the "workday" or at night (when Mark Berman comes on)?

[rhester]

Berman's probably in Carr's driveway right now. :D

[Joshfast]

Berman's probably in Carr's driveway right now. :D

Best sports news reporter in Houston by far - Berman's the man. :cool:

A 2nd would go a long way in healing the pain of the Capers/Casserly train wreck.

[Fatty FatBastard]

I believe he will be traded to Taco Bell as the new spokesman for the Carrne Asada Taquito. In return, we get the two lions.

[Achilleus]

If they really did make a trade with Oakland (because Davis likes "Big and fast" guys like Johnson), then I think it will be their third pick. Their second round pick is #33. Their third is #65 (obviously). I can't see them trading #33.

[MadMax]

I believe he will be traded to Taco Bell as the new spokesman for the Carrne Asada Taquito. In return, we get the two lions.

DEAL!!! lions make kick-ass DB's.

[Summer Song Giver]

DEAL!!! lions make kick-ass DB's.


Too bad we didn't draft Vince or Reggie, those lions would make a fine pair of rush ends :rolleyes:

[MadMax]

the boys at 610 just reported it! :)

[H-Town Info]

the boys at 610 just reported it! :)

reported what?

[MadMax]

reported what?

nothing more than what we've been talking about here.

[rrj_gamz]

if that happens, then either jamarcus or brady falls to us. would be interesting to see what the texans do if either falls that far.

No way we start with a QB again...Brady is just another Carr, overrated and Jamarcus won't drop that far...

[MadMax]

No way we start with a QB again...Brady is just another Carr, overrated and Jamarcus won't drop that far...

i'll be shocked if we pass up on brady quinn...assuming he falls to us.

btw...we're not "starting." the second year of our second coach, actually. our 6th draft, i believe.

[Summer Song Giver]

i'll be shocked if we pass up on brady quinn...assuming he falls to us.

btw...we're not "starting." the second year of our second coach, actually. our 6th draft, i believe.


Yeah, I'm not in love with Quinn or Russell for that matter but if done properly both of them could be very good QBs in the future.

[CriscoKidd]

I do hope that if there is a trade it's with oakland or minny, as that makes it more likely that quinn falls to the texans. I think the only other thing they would have to worry about is cleveland or a trade up.

I'd be very leary of Jamarcus. Much higher bust factor imo. Of course if he hits, it'd be huge, but he'll be huge either way.

[updawg]

I think the only other thing they would have to worry about is cleveland or a trade up.

one good thing about a trade with cleveland is that he stays in the division :D

[emjohn]

Quinn would be a bad pick, being overrated aside, how does he fit into Kubiak's system? He wants roll out QBs, and Quinn strikes me as a pocket guy like Leinart.

Draft Kolb!!! Get Landry at #8!

Evan

[Ric]

one good thing about a trade with cleveland is that he stays in the division :D
true... if this was 1987 and the oilers were still in town.

[updawg]

true... if this was 1987 and the oilers were still in town.
right, not sure what i was thinking on that one.

[The Cat]

I'm a little wary because the most intriguing part of the story is the supposed info that the Texans asked for Carr to be taken off the banner. But when I go to that site, Carr is still on it. Maybe they're still in the process of making a new one, though.

[BrieflySpeaking]

Carr got traded to the rockets for the PG position :eek:

[MadMax]

I'm a little wary because the most intriguing part of the story is the supposed info that the Texans asked for Carr to be taken off the banner. But when I go to that site, Carr is still on it. Maybe they're still in the process of making a new one, though.

he's not on the banner..mario, dunta and domanick are.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=36409

[The Cat]

I'm a little wary because the most intriguing part of the story is the supposed info that the Texans asked for Carr to be taken off the banner. But when I go to that site, Carr is still on it. Maybe they're still in the process of making a new one, though.

Whoa. I just went back and now Carr is gone. That is interesting.

[Ric]

he's not on the banner..mario, dunta and domanick are.

that's demeco. the cat, refresh. btw, we started designing our new banner, sans carr, months ago - what's the big deal?

[Achilleus]

Whoa. I just went back and now Carr is gone. That is interesting.

Where do you think he might end up?

[Achilleus]

btw, we started designing our new banner, sans carr, months ago - what's the big deal?

Is the other forum part of the official website?

[The Cat]

that's demeco. the cat, refresh. btw, we started designing our new banner, sans carr, months ago - what's the big deal?

Well, if the Texans specifically asked for it, that makes me think there could be something imminent. I know fans are tired of him and he's probably not a good guy to market, but they knew that months ago and could've done it then. Asking last night for him to be removed makes me think something is in the works.

[Mr. Clutch]

Well, if the Texans specifically asked for it, that makes me think there could be something imminent. I know fans are tired of him and he's probably not a good guy to market, but they knew that months ago and could've done it then. Asking last night for him to be removed makes me think something is in the works.

Yes, this makes perfect sense. Kubiak and Smith are near completing a deal. As they get closer they think...wait, before we finalize this, we have to contact the most important people. The owner, the agents of the players...and of course the dude who posts pics on the website.

[The Cat]

Yes, this makes perfect sense. Kubiak and Smith are near completing a deal. As they get closer they think...wait, before we finalize this, we have to contact the most important people. The owner, the agents of the players...and of course the dude who posts pics on the website.

Yes, because clearly, Kubiak and Smith are the only people in the world who know about what's going on. :rolleyes:

Every organization has marketing and PR specialists who do these types of things during negotiations.

[Ric]

Well, if the Texans specifically asked for it, that makes me think there could be something imminent.
they also took him off their marketing materials, which were undoubtedly designed and produced months ago. i think it's simply another indication they realize carr isn't the best face to currently put on the franchise.

[Mr. Clutch]

Yes, because clearly, Kubiak and Smith are the only people in the world who know about what's going on. :rolleyes:

Every organization has marketing and PR specialists who do these types of things during negotiations.

Yes of course. And chief among the "insiders" is that dude who uploads pics onto the web.

[ima_drummer2k]

btw, we started designing our new banner, sans carr, months ago - what's the big deal?
Did the Texans ask you to? I think that's the 'big deal'.

[Joshfast]

i think it's simply another indication they realize carr isn't the best face to currently put on the franchise.

And Domanick Williams is?

[Mr. Clutch]

And Domanick Williams is?

No, which proves the point that you can't read too much into which banners are put up on a website.

[Ric]

Did the Texans ask you to? I think that's the 'big deal'.
no, of course not - i was kidding.

And Domanick Williams is?
i would think david carr has a better chance of being a texan next year than DDW... so why is he still on there? it's silliness.

[The Cat]

No, which proves the point that you can't read too much into which banners are put up on a website.

Which proves the point that it's pretty rare for the Texans to care at all about what banner is put up on their Web site. And that there might be a reason for that.

[Joshfast]

No, which proves the point that you can't read too much into which banners are put up on a website.

No - it proves my point that if they have DW on there they obviously don't care about it at all. To call someone and tell them take David off specifically and leave someone like DW on is telling - or atleast something to talk about.

[Mr. Clutch]

No - it proves my point that if they have DW on there they obviously don't care about it at all. To call someone and tell them take David off specifically and leave someone like DW on is telling - or atleast something to talk about.

If they don't care about it at all then why are you trying to read something into it? You are trying to argue the following: a) the Texans don't care about the webpage, b)the webpage changes, therefore c) the change must mean something. Huh?

Point is, I seriously doubt the guys who make personnel decisions (Kubiak, Smith, McNair) are concerned about what pics are uploaded. My guess is the marketing department decided to change the advertising focus from Carr and they are the ones who told the webmaster to change the picture. And no I don't think McNair is informing the marketing department about imminent deals.

[Groogrux]

Where did the Berman stuff come from? Was that just made up?

[The Cat]

If they don't care about it at all then why are you trying to read something into it? You are trying to argue the following: a) the Texans don't care about the webpage, b)the webpage changes, therefore c) the change must mean something. Huh?

Point is, I seriously doubt the guys who make personnel decisions (Kubiak, Smith, McNair) are concerned about what pics are uploaded. My guess is the marketing department decided to change the advertising focus from Carr and they are the ones who told the webmaster to change the picture. And no I don't think McNair is informing the marketing department about imminent deals.

And they randomly decided to change the advertising focus on the same day that ESPN said Carr would (not probably) be traded and the same day that 610/Mark Berman said something was going on and could be done soon? The writing's been on the wall with Carr and the Texans for months now. Why suddenly was yesterday the day?

[Mr. Clutch]

And they randomly decided to change the advertising focus on the same day that ESPN said Carr would (not probably) be traded and the same day that 610/Mark Berman said something was going on and could be done soon? The writing's been on the wall with Carr and the Texans for months now. Why suddenly was yesterday the day?

It could be random, or maybe they heard the rumors as well and they decided to change it. I do think the 610/Berman stuff is significant.

[The Cat]

It could be random, or maybe they heard the rumors as well and they decided to change it. I do think the 610/Berman stuff is significant.

It should be noted that the Texans asked the message board team to take down Carr before the Cold Pizza report this morning or anything from 610 or Berman. So it's not like they're basing it off those particular rumors.

[ths balla]

dont have espn insider but Pasquarelli talkin about it...Texans have eyes on Quinn....espn insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2792825&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dpasquarelli_len%26id%3d2792825)
On the list of the world's 946 billionaires published by Forbes Magazine this week, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair ranked No. 664, with reported assets of $1.5 billion.

That's good, because it seems that for the second time in six years, McNair is going to be opening up the bank vault to sign a top 10 quarterback from the draft.

The man Houston coach Gary Kubiak quietly had targeted to be his starting quarterback in 2007, Jake Plummer, has retired. Or at least Plummer claims to have walked away from the game, even if he hadn't officially filed the paperwork with the league office as of Thursday evening. But just because it appears that Plummer won't be reunited with Kubiak doesn't mean that incumbent starter David Carr is safe as the Texans' starting quarterback for the coming season.

[Silfam]

Here's the full and complete text of the Insider Quinn To Texans Article:

On the list of the world's 946 billionaires published by Forbes Magazine this week, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair ranked No. 664, with reported assets of $1.5 billion.

That's good, because it seems that for the second time in six years, McNair is going to be opening up the bank vault to sign a top 10 quarterback from the draft.

The man Houston coach Gary Kubiak quietly had targeted to be his starting quarterback in 2007, Jake Plummer, has retired. Or at least Plummer claims to have walked away from the game, even if he hadn't officially filed the paperwork with the league office as of Thursday evening. But just because it appears that Plummer won't be reunited with Kubiak doesn't mean that incumbent starter David Carr is safe as the Texans' starting quarterback for the coming season.

And that's where McNair's big bucks come into play.


There remains a pretty strong suspicion that Carr, the first overall selection in the 2002 draft, will be traded, if the Texans can find a taker for him. So who would start for the Texans this season if Carr were dealt and the team couldn't finagle a way to somehow get Plummer onto the roster?

Well, try Brady Quinn, the star Notre Dame quarterback and a guy Houston officials are ardently eyeballing.

Houston owns the eighth overall choice in the first round of the draft and NFL sources tell ESPN.com that the Texans have been talking to teams higher in the order about moving up in the round, if necessary, to snag Quinn. Specifically, the Texans feel they might have to leap-frog the Minnesota Vikings, who own the No. 7 pick and who also will be tempted to grab Quinn as their quarterback of the future.

The Texans have been doing a lot of talking with Washington, currently at the No. 6 slot, about a deal. That makes sense because Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, who finally seems convinced that you can't buy a Super Bowl with free agents and actually have to invest in some draft picks once in a while, wants to slide down out of the No. 6 slot and amass extra choices.

Some in the league feel the Texans and Redskins already have an arrangement in place for such a deal, provided, of course, Quinn is still on the board at the sixth slot.

Quinn threw the ball well at his campus workout last week -- not great, scouts felt, but good enough -- and has all the intangibles the Texans want. If the Texans can figure a way to land Quinn, they would allow him to compete with veteran Sage Rosenfels for the starting job this year, but without putting too much pressure on him.

Of course, much of that is contingent on finding a place to ship Carr, the onetime face of the franchise but a guy who needs a fresh start somewhere else if he is to fulfill his potential.

Enjoy - Go Texans - Whatever they do, please make the right freaking move.

[Joshfast]

You are trying to argue the following: a) the Texans don't care about the webpage, b)the webpage changes, therefore c) the change must mean something. Huh?



Nope, my point is if they don't care at all, then go out of their way to make a change, (leaving other mistakes on there like DW) then something could be up... ;)

[Achilleus]

:D :D :D :D :D

[Achilleus]

Dominic Rhodes signed with the Raiders...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070309/SPORTS03/703090531/1004/SPORTS

[OldManBernie]

Dominic Rhodes signed with the Raiders...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070309/SPORTS03/703090531/1004/SPORTS

2 year contract for 7.5 mil. I think that's pretty good value for Rhodes.

[Ric]

i believe the quinn talk (combined with the carr talk) may in some small way be the texans trying to drive miami to swap slots and give up a pick. regardless of the carr situation, i can't believe they'd give up picks OR draft a QB in round 1... i mean, i find it very nearly unfathomable.

[Joshfast]

Dominic Rhodes signed with the Raiders...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070309/SPORTS03/703090531/1004/SPORTS

Well, that takes them out of the running for AP I hope - I don't care that we signed Green, if AP is there, take him.

[rezdawg]

Wow, busy morning, I got on this late....

My take, IF something were to happen, I have a feeling Plummer would be involved. If its a trade for a draft pick, no way we get better than a 3rd rounder.

If anything happens with Carr, I hope it involves Plummer because then that takes Brady Quinn out of the equation, which I'd be happy with. I dont want Quinn near this team. Then, we can look for a QB in the 3rd (Kolb).

First pick goes to Landry or Hall (after a trade down)...and I wont have to worry about Quinn behind center.

[rhester]

If they trade up to draft Quinn they will be repeating their 1st round heroics of last season. How in the world will they top that next season? :eek: They will take the franchise down another notch.

What a waste to trade up for Quinn. It's going to be sick enough if they draft Quinn at all.

I hate saying this, but I would rather have Carr than Quinn.

[rezdawg]

I hate saying this, but I would rather have Carr than Quinn.

I'm with you on that one...

I just dont see it with Quinn. Picking him at 8 is bad enough, trading up for him is a disaster. We need more picks, not less.

[CriscoKidd]

i believe the quinn talk (combined with the carr talk) may in some small way be the texans trying to drive miami to swap slots and give up a pick.

I find that highly unlikely. No real use for all this posturing when it's not even close to a sure thing that a qb that miami may want falls to number 8.

regardless of the carr situation, i can't believe they'd give up picks OR draft a QB in round 1... i mean, i find it very nearly unfathomable.

I can believe it, esp when your qb stable right now = Carr and Sage.

[updawg]

If they trade up to draft Quinn they will be repeating their 1st round heroics of last season. How in the world will they top that next season? :eek: They will take the franchise down another notch.

What a waste to trade up for Quinn. It's going to be sick enough if they draft Quinn at all.

I hate saying this, but I would rather have Carr than Quinn.
I agree with you. today's news started out so good too

[Austin70]

I find that highly unlikely. No real use for all this posturing when it's not even close to a sure thing that a qb that miami may want falls to number 8.



I can believe it, esp when your qb stable right now = Carr and Sage.


That's not a stable, that is a pony ride at the carnival.

[Howyalikemenow]

Quinn, like Notre Damn, is overrated. Hopefully the Texans won't make another 1st round mistake.

[DaDakota]

I am glad the Texans have finally figured out what sooooooo many of us knew last year.

Could we be trading him to Clevland for the 3rd pick and they get our 8th?

DD

[ima_drummer2k]

I wonder how much of this Quinn hate is really just Notre Dame hate.

Not saying I want to draft the guy, but he seems to be taking a LOT of heat just because he plays for ND. Yes, ND is always overrated but it's not his fault.

[bchapman101]

I'm with you on that one...

I just dont see it with Quinn. Picking him at 8 is bad enough, trading up for him is a disaster. We need more picks, not less.

It would be an absolute disaster to draft Quinn at #8, but to actually TRADE UP to draft him would be the stupidest thing in the world and would put Kubiak and Rick Smith right there with Casserly as complete morons. It would be even stupider than last year, and it would mean we have to wait a few more years for another new coach and GM. Now that being said, I find it difficult that they can be that dense. So it must be a ridiculous rumor.

[texanskan]

I wonder how much of this Quinn hate is really just Notre Dame hate.

Not saying I want to draft the guy, but he seems to be taking a LOT of heat just because he plays for ND. Yes, ND is always overrated but it's not his fault.

I am sure some of it is, some of it comes from the fact he is a pretty boy, some of it comes from the fact the Domers got whooped by LSU, USC and UM

[MadMax]

It would be an absolute disaster to draft Quinn at #8, but to actually TRADE UP to draft him would be the stupidest thing in the world and would put Kubiak and Rick Smith right there with Casserly as complete morons. It would be even stupider than last year, and it would mean we have to wait a few more years for another new coach and GM. Now that being said, I find it difficult that they can be that dense. So it must be a ridiculous rumor.

unless, of course, quinn ends up being really good. which is certainly in the realm of possibility.

[No Worries]

I wonder how much of this Quinn hate is really just Notre Dame hate.
My dislike for BQ is based upon sh*tty performance against USC last year. I did not see BQ as a NFL QB from that game.

[The Cat]

I am sure some of it is, some of it comes from the fact he is a pretty boy, some of it comes from the fact the Domers got whooped by LSU, USC and UM

And what they'll leave out is that LSU, USC and UM scored 41, 44 and 47 points in those losses.

[weslinder]

Quinn wouldn't be a bad pick...








...if he slips to the Texans in the second round and Joe Staley's off the board. He's not a bad player or a bad prospect. He's just way overrated.

[The Cat]

My dislike for BQ is based upon sh*tty performance against USC last year. I did not see BQ as a NFL QB from that game.

274 passing yards, 3 TD, 0 INT and 74 rushing yards is sh*tty?

[Achilleus]

My dislike for BQ is based upon sh*tty performance against USC last year. I did not see BQ as a NFL QB from that game.

Quinn threw for 274 yards, threw three touchdowns, and ran for 74 yards against USC in 2006.

[Ric]

I wonder how much of this Quinn hate is really just Notre Dame hate.
it seems quite a bit. he's certainly an intriguing prospect; leinart redux, imo (minus the heisman, championships, out of welock babies and STDs, of course).

[rhester]

Quinn is worth taking a shot at past the 20th pick. That is if you are desparate for a QB.

Just let Sage start and draft a QB later.
Our record isn't going to put us out of the running for a Qb next season in the draft.

Please trade down don't draft Quinn higher than about 16-20 you are just passing up too many impact players this team needs really badly. I would much rather have a stud DTackle, or Safety or Cornerback or WR at #8.

We can't afford to draft a QB with a high pick unless he is a legitimate franchise future star.

[DaDakota]

There is no reason to start a rookie QB...if they do draft Quinn I hope they get a veteran to play for a couple of years.

Ala Chris Chandler.

DD

[rrj_gamz]

Quinn is worth taking a shot at past the 20th pick. That is if you are desparate for a QB.

We can't afford to draft a QB with a high pick unless he is a legitimate franchise future star.

Agreed...I don't hate BQ, its just that he's overrated...and hasn't really won a "big" game or shown he's a franchise type player, IMHO...If he's around int the second round, sure, but i don't think he will be and would rather have Kolb anyway...Someone that can throw on the run...

[Icehouse]

If we pass on Vince only to trade up and draft Quinn one year later.....that would be extremely stupid....

[The Cat]

Agreed...I don't hate BQ, its just that he's overrated...and hasn't really won a "big" game or shown he's a franchise type player, IMHO...If he's around int the second round, sure, but i don't think he will be and would rather have Kolb anyway...Someone that can throw on the run...

The entire "winning a big game" argument is silly because a quarterback only has so much control... see the 41, 44 and 47 points opponents scored on Notre Dame in their three losses this season. I love Vince Young. But if the Notre Dame CB sticks his arm up on USC's 4th and 10 in 2005, Notre Dame beats USC for the first time in 30 games, Quinn is a legend, and the mystique of Vince's Rose Bowl is gone.

That's not to say Vince doesn't deserve everything he's gotten from that game. He's amazing and he earned it. But think about how differently things would've turned out had that corner done the logical thing and put a hand up. That had nothing to do with Quinn.

[bchapman101]

just heard on 610 that the Texans have an understading with Washington that if Quinn is still on the board at #6 where Washington is to draft, then the Texans will trade up to get Quinn so that Minnesota doesnt take him at #7

we got clowns runnin the organization yall

[mogrod]

If I remember correctly, didn't Peyton Manning have trouble winning the "big game" in college as well?

[The Cat]

just heard on 610 that the Texans have an understading with Washington that if Quinn is still on the board at #6 where Washington is to draft, then the Texans will trade up to get Quinn so that Minnesota doesnt take him at #7

we got clowns runnin the organization yall

My guess is that they're simply repeating the rumor on ESPN Insider.

Can those criticizing Quinn at least come up with something more substantial than "Notre Dame is overrated" and "I hate Notre Dame"?

[Ric]

we got clowns runnin the organization yall
there are bigger clowns at 610.

[Ric]

Can those criticizing Quinn at least come up with something more substantial than "Notre Dame is overrated" and "I hate Notre Dame"?
oh, oh - i know: "he's not a winner." (or some variation of his individual failure to hoist a team of 22 people on his back and lead them to victory). also, "he's a pretty boy: been there, done that." (a sly, subtle reference to david carr's attention to how he looks at the expense of success on the field).

[ima_drummer2k]

If I remember correctly, didn't Peyton Manning have trouble winning the "big game" in college as well?
LOL, good point.

[rhester]

If we pass on Vince only to trade up and draft Quinn one year later.....that would be extremely stupid....

OK now you've done it...

I'm getting sick.... :eek: :(

Please say no to Brady- let's booo Sage out of Houston before we pass on LaRon Landry for Quinn

[The Cat]

oh, oh - i know: "he's not a winner." (or some variation of his individual failure to hoist a team of 22 people on his back and lead them to victory). also, "he's a pretty boy: been there, done that." (a sly, subtle reference to david carr's attention to how he looks at the expense of success on the field).

You know the Notre Dame cornerback I was referring to that didn't bat the ball down? Clearly, if Quinn was a "winner" like Vince, he would've done it. So, it's Quinn's fault. The only reason Texas was able to stop LenDale White on 4th and 2 was the leadership VY provided from the sideline and the encouragement he gave to his defense.

[texanskan]

You know the Notre Dame cornerback I was referring to that didn't bat the ball down? Clearly, if Quinn was a "winner" like Vince, he would've done it. So, it's Quinn's fault. The only reason Texas was able to stop LenDale White on 4th and 2 was the leadership VY provided from the sideline and the encouragment he gave to his defense.

lol!!!!!!!

Well I 'm glad things played out the way they did with UT vs USC

[weslinder]

If I remember correctly, didn't Peyton Manning have trouble winning the "big game" in college as well?

Peyton Manning has been in a better situation than any quarterback in the NFL since Troy Aikman. Had David Carr been given all of those things all along, he'd be a really good quarterback, too. Putting Manning behind the Texans' line would be just as disastrous as putting Carr or Quinn back there.

[The Real Shady]

dont have espn insider but Pasquarelli talkin about it...Texans have eyes on Quinn....espn insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2792825&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dpasquarelli_len%26id%3d2792825)
On the list of the world's 946 billionaires published by Forbes Magazine this week, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair ranked No. 664, with reported assets of $1.5 billion.

That's good, because it seems that for the second time in six years, McNair is going to be opening up the bank vault to sign a top 10 quarterback from the draft.

The man Houston coach Gary Kubiak quietly had targeted to be his starting quarterback in 2007, Jake Plummer, has retired. Or at least Plummer claims to have walked away from the game, even if he hadn't officially filed the paperwork with the league office as of Thursday evening. But just because it appears that Plummer won't be reunited with Kubiak doesn't mean that incumbent starter David Carr is safe as the Texans' starting quarterback for the coming season.

Houston are you ready for your new sissy girl QB?

http://www.etruth.com/media/NewsPhotos/25826_websm.jpg

[updawg]

Houston are you ready for your new sissy girl QB?

http://www.etruth.com/media/NewsPhotos/25826_websm.jpg
lol, if he has any brains he would hold out and pull a francis after what happened to carr

[Drewdog]

I wonder how many games the Texans would win next season with the ClutchFans BBS'ers running the team?

[Ric]

Clearly, if Quinn was a "winner" like Vince, he would've done it.
true story: a lot of those guys on that UT roster were plucked from obscurity; many had never seen a football before, let alone played prior to being shipped to austin. fortunately, vince deemed them all worthy and blessed all of their scattered talents with his winnerness, leadershipiness and intangiblinessly.

[pgabriel]

true story: a lot of those guys on that UT roster were plucked from obscurity; many had never seen a football before, let alone played prior to being shipped to austin. fortunately, vince deemed them all worthy and blessed all of their scattered talents with his winnerness, leadershipiness and intangiblinessly.


this might actually be funny if carr's teamates weren't openly questioning whether he should be here as opposed to the titan's claiming a rookie is the leader of their team. magical powers or not.

[ima_drummer2k]

"he's a pretty boy: been there, done that." (a sly, subtle reference to david carr's attention to how he looks at the expense of success on the field).
I know you're (sort of) kidding, but I honestly think that has a lot to do with it. He kind of looks like Carr, so he MUST be David Carr redux.

[mogrod]

Peyton Manning has been in a better situation than any quarterback in the NFL since Troy Aikman. Had David Carr been given all of those things all along, he'd be a really good quarterback, too. Putting Manning behind the Texans' line would be just as disastrous as putting Carr or Quinn back there.

You missed the "in college" part of my post.

I don't have a like or dislike of Quinn but seems one of the biggest arguments people have against him is that he couldn't win the big game yet another QB, who had the same label in college, is on his way to arguably be the greatest QB to ever play in the NFL.

[The Cat]

this might actually be funny if carr's teamates weren't openly questioning whether he should be here as opposed to the titan's claiming a rookie is the leader of their team. magical powers or not.

No one's saying leadership doesn't exist. But there's a difference between claiming someone has good leadership qualities and claiming someone "won" a football game all by himself and "willed" his team to victory.

[Austin70]

true story: a lot of those guys on that UT roster were plucked from obscurity; many had never seen a football before, let alone played prior to being shipped to austin. fortunately, vince deemed them all worthy and blessed all of their scattered talents with his winnerness, leadershipiness and intangiblinessly.

Just like on Varsity Blues, I take it that VY was on the sidelines with the headset on coaching the defence, while he was finding a cure for cancer.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Whatever pick that pisses off the VY lovers is fine with me.

[Ric]

this might actually be funny if carr's teamates weren't openly questioning whether he should be here as opposed to the titan's claiming a rookie is the leader of their team.
teammate. no s - singular. there's been one: dunta robinson.

[weslinder]

You missed the "in college" part of my post.

I don't have a like or dislike of Quinn but seems one of the biggest arguments people have against him is that he couldn't win the big game yet another QB, who had the same label in college, is on his way to arguably be the greatest QB to ever play in the NFL.

I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning, Super Bowl Champion coming out of college. It took a lot of years behind great lines and with one of the best receiving cores ever for him to become a great quarterback. Had Peyton Manning come into the league with the expansion Houston Texans and their line or even the 2006 Houston Texans and their line, he would not have been successful. The only QBs that would have been successful are those that are good at running for their lives. You put Quinn on a team with a great line and great receiving core, and maybe one day you can compare him to Peyton Manning. You put him on the Houston Texans without significantly upgrading the offensive line and you'll have to compare him to David Carr.

[Major]

Whatever pick that pisses off the VY lovers is fine with me.

So you're no longer interested in what's best for the team? You're not a real fan.

[Ric]

I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning, Super Bowl Champion coming out of college. It took a lot of years behind great lines and with one of the best receiving cores ever for him to become a great quarterback.
i'm with you for some of this; manning has certainly been in a favorable situation in indy; but he'd be a great QB regardless where he wound up? all-time, SB winning great? perhaps not. but he's a very good QB.

[Rox225]

I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning, Super Bowl Champion coming out of college. It took a lot of years behind great lines and with one of the best receiving cores ever for him to become a great quarterback. Had Peyton Manning come into the league with the expansion Houston Texans and their line or even the 2006 Houston Texans and their line, he would not have been successful. The only QBs that would have been successful are those that are good at running for their lives. You put Quinn on a team with a great line and great receiving core, and maybe one day you can compare him to Peyton Manning. You put him on the Houston Texans without significantly upgrading the offensive line and you'll have to compare him to David Carr.

I think this is what most people who are advocating Quinn don't realize. If there is no O-line in place that resembles a significant upgrade from last year or any year before that then you don't waste the pick on Quinn. And that's exactly what you'll be doing, WASTING a pick, considering the talent that would be available at other positions.

[Rocket Guy]

why dont we just draft vince young

[mogrod]

i'm with you for some of this; manning has certainly been in a favorable situation in indy; but he'd be a great QB regardless where he wound up? all-time, SB winning great? perhaps not. but he's a very good QB.

Wow! I hate Manning with a passion but I can't believe how much you two are under-rating the guy.

I think he is one of the VERY rare QBs that make his teammates around him much better. He has a great arm and is arguably the greatest QB to ever play in terms of the thinking part of the game. He would have been great no matter where he ended up.

A agree with you full-heartedly about Carr's lack of production based on surrounding talent through the beginnings of a expansion franchise but that is the point - Carr needs talent around him for him to excel. Manning has made his surrounding that much more "talented".

[superden]

Lets try to get Michael Vick! He doesn't need an OLine :D

[tinman]

Wow! I hate Manning with a passion but I can't believe how much you two are under-rating the guy.

I think he is one of the VERY rare QBs that make his teammates around him much better. He has a great arm and is arguably the greatest QB to ever play in terms of the thinking part of the game. He would have been great no matter where he ended up.

A agree with you full-heartedly about Carr's lack of production based on surrounding talent through the beginnings of a expansion franchise but that is the point - Carr needs talent around him for him to excel. Manning has made his surrounding that much more "talented".

how on earth did you guys get on the topic of comparing Manning with Carr?
that's like comparing Top Grade Sushi with Long John Silvers.

[SwoLy-D]

why dont we just draft vince youngDude. :( That's not even funny.

[pgabriel]

how on earth did you guys get on the topic of comparing Manning with Carr?
that's like comparing Top Grade Sushi with Long John Silvers.


its like comparing new television technology with the old.

[tinman]

its like comparing new television technology with the old.
awesome analogy!

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content06/philips-100-lcd.jpg

[T_Man]

Personally I would rather see them get a Vet and draft Chris Leak or kevin Kolb....

But who knows what the HELL they may do.... We are talking about the Texans and Draft in the same sentence...

Kinda like Russian and Roulette....

[OldManBernie]

It's Kubiak's offense, so if he feels that BQ gives the team a good long-term QB solution, then I'm all for it. I just want to see an improvement.

[updawg]

I don't see them taking quinn, if anything its probably just a decoy to hide who they are truly after. I don't think they trade down.
besides, if they did want quinn, why would they announce that and the trade with wash?

[bchapman101]

I love Notre Dame, and a pretty boy quarterback for the Texans to me is better than having a hideous beast there, but I still dont think we should trade up for him. So I am not part of that anti-ND movement.

[Cannonball]

I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that Peyton Manning wasn't Peyton Manning, Super Bowl Champion coming out of college. It took a lot of years behind great lines and with one of the best receiving cores ever for him to become a great quarterback. Had Peyton Manning come into the league with the expansion Houston Texans and their line or even the 2006 Houston Texans and their line, he would not have been successful. The only QBs that would have been successful are those that are good at running for their lives. You put Quinn on a team with a great line and great receiving core, and maybe one day you can compare him to Peyton Manning. You put him on the Houston Texans without significantly upgrading the offensive line and you'll have to compare him to David Carr.

So why get rid of Carr? Why try to get one in free agency? Why draft one? If the best QB in the league would be doomed to failure on the Texans why even bother trying to improve the position? Why bother trying to get Kolb in the 3rd round? If he's going to fail regarless, why do it? Let's never draft a QB again.

[mogrod]

So why get rid of Carr? Why try to get one in free agency? Why draft one? If the best QB in the league would be doomed to failure on the Texans why even bother trying to improve the position? Why bother trying to get Kolb in the 3rd round? If he's going to fail regarless, why do it? Let's never draft a QB again.

LOL, no kidding.

Besides, I don't know how anyone can argue against the fact the situation is FAR better now than it was when they drafted Carr anyway. Yes, he was doomed from the start on an expansion team, with little to no talent, no QB coach and thrown out there from the start.

I think any young QB, whether it be Quinn, Kolb or whoever, will stand a MUCH better chance of succeeding now under Kubiak's guidance, better talent and the fact he will have to wait to learn the system and NFL game before being annointed the starter.

[Baqui99]

Is Quinn even a better prospect than David Carr? Seriously, it doesn't look an upgrade at all. Now Quinn has some nice skills -> has a good touch on his deep passes, and throws a nice end zone fade. But if you're a perennial loser like the Texans, you need to get a career starter out of the #8 pick lick a LaRon Landry or Levi Brown. This team has so many holes, they'd be well advised to steer clear of a project QB.

[OldManBernie]

Is Quinn even a better prospect than David Carr? Seriously, it doesn't look an upgrade at all. Now Quinn has some nice skills -> has a good touch on his deep passes, and throws a nice end zone fade. But if you're a perennial loser like the Texans, you need to get a career starter out of the #8 pick lick a LaRon Landry or Levi Brown. This team has so many holes, they'd be well advised to steer clear of a project QB.

BQ is probably the most polished QB in college considering he played under Weis. I wouldn't call him a project QB.

[Cannonball]

Since when is Quinn considered a "project QB"? Russell, who will go before BQ, is more of a project. Kolb is a project. Vince is still kind of a project as evidenced by his Vick-esque 51% completion percentage. No QB comes into the league as a finished product. Everyone need seasoning and development when they come into the NFL. Some are just more raw than others and I wouldn't put Quinn into the "RAW" category.

[MadMax]

Since when is Quinn considered a "project QB"? Russell, who will go before BQ, is more of a project. Kolb is a project. Vince is still kind of a project as evidenced by his Vick-esque 51% completion percentage. No QB comes into the league as a finished product. Everyone need seasoning and development when they come into the NFL. Some are just more raw than others and I wouldn't put Quinn into the "RAW" category.

Quinn scares me. But if they took him, I'd find the silver linings.

And he's not a project. He's a polished passer. I don't see him as a project at all.

[ima_drummer2k]

BQ is probably the most polished QB in college considering he played under Weis. I wouldn't call him a project QB.
It's because he isn't Vince Young, silly!

[Drewdog]

We are talking about the Texans and Draft in the same sentence...

Kinda like Russian and Roulette....

Perfect. :D

I think we should just draft the best possible player and let Sage be our guy for now.

[Rocket G]

Enough of this other BS.

Is there any news?

[The Real Shady]

I don't see them taking quinn, if anything its probably just a decoy to hide who they are truly after. I don't think they trade down.
besides, if they did want quinn, why would they announce that and the trade with wash?

The Texans wouldn't annouce it, it would be Washington. Now Washington can get a bidding war going between Houston, Minnesota, and anyone else that want's "Pretty Boy" Quinn.

[BMoney]

The prospect of a Carr trade to the Raiders opens up the possibility of Jamarcus Russell falling to the Washington pick. If that's the case, then the Texans should jump all over it. I would necessarily mind picking up Quinn at the 8th pick.

[JunkyardDwg]

It's Kubiak's offense, so if he feels that BQ gives the team a good long-term QB solution, then I'm all for it. I just want to see an improvement.

I agree wholeheartedly.

[Cannonball]

Now on Sportscenter, Todd McShay is predicting Quinn will go #2 to the Lions. Not because he's done anything to improve his stock, but because the Lions have addressed their other needs.

[Lil Francis]

I dont know what the hell we will do about a #2 wideout but Im all for the Brady Quinn pick since AP will be gone. This guy could be a franchise type qb in a few years and his football IQ is light years ahead of Carr.

[WhoMikeJames]

Any news yet?

[sammy]

Im fine with getting Quinn. He is nearly 6'5" and is a strong kid. He will be able to avoid would-be sacks with his size and quickness. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, VY, Big Ben, and Im sure Im missing others are all tall QB's. Its time for us to make a drastic move and this MIGHT be the right one.

[armyman789]

Quinn, like Notre Damn, is overrated. Hopefully the Texans won't make another 1st round mistake.
i have a question. If Quinn is rated a first rounder(top 10) and he is overrated then would his real value be a 2nd or 3rd round QB like Kolb? Honestly i think Kolb is overated because he played in the same system for 7 years and dominated the C-USa.

[hatemavs4life]

Is Quinn even a better prospect than David Carr? Seriously, it doesn't look an upgrade at all. Now Quinn has some nice skills -> has a good touch on his deep passes, and throws a nice end zone fade. But if you're a perennial loser like the Texans, you need to get a career starter out of the #8 pick lick a LaRon Landry or Levi Brown. This team has so many holes, they'd be well advised to steer clear of a project QB.

May I suggest to you that you get a memory upgrade?!? Your assertion that BQ will not be better than DC IMO indelibly inducts you on first ballot into the "Moron Hall of Shame." :D

Notre Dame's competition vs Fresno State's. Hmmm ... just a BIT of a difference, ya think?

Granted, I'm not completely sold on golden boy because that game with LSU in the Sugar Bowl was absolutely brutal.

But, he would DEFINITELY be an upgrade from DC. Hell, Donald Duck or Goofy would be an upgrade.

Agreed. Many more holes to fill. Landry with his ridiculous combine numbers now looks REAL good at #8. Would definitely solidify our DB situation. Faggins maybe could be moved to nickel and then we could get that guy, McCauley from Cal at CB next round. Problem is he may look good to Washington as well at #6.

[gr8-1]

why dont we just draft vince young

Missed that boat already. Had your chance.


Quinn, imo is Carr with a lesser arm.













The anti-VY sentiment on this board is incredible. Why the hate?

[Joe Joe]

The anti-VY sentiment on this board is incredible. Why the hate?

Umm, he went to UT and was great.

[MR. MEOWGI]

The anti-VY sentiment on this board is incredible. Why the hate?

Same reason I hate any basketball team that's not the Rockets. Plus people on this board would rather have the Titans win than the Texans. They need their teeh kicked in.

[Joe Joe]

Same reason I hate any basketball team that's not the Rockets. Plus people on this board would rather have the Titans win than the Texans. They need their teeh kicked in.

I think most VY fans would have rather the Texans selected VY than the Titans win. I don't think there is anything wrong with Mario outside of him getting banged up and was happy they selected him over Bush.

The VY hate on this board is much greater than the Peyton Manning hate or Tom Brady hate when he poses much less of a threat currently to the Texans success.

[MR. MEOWGI]

I think most VY fans would have rather the Texans selected VY than the Titans win. I don't think there is anything wrong with Mario outside of him getting banged up and was happy they selected him over Bush.

The VY hate on this board is much greater than the Peyton Manning hate or Tom Brady hate when he poses much less of a threat currently to the Texans success.

The VY hate here is mostly directed to the fanboys. They are obsessed. If you do a search you will see posts where people are happy that the Titans beat the Texans etc just because of VY. It's stupid and it should not be tolerated.

[Groogrux]

I think most VY fans would have rather the Texans selected VY than the Titans win. I don't think there is anything wrong with Mario outside of him getting banged up and was happy they selected him over Bush.

The VY hate on this board is much greater than the Peyton Manning hate or Tom Brady hate when he poses much less of a threat currently to the Texans success.

It's not really about VY, but some of his fans. When you have people who continually trash the Texans and root for the Titans of all teams, that's understandably going to annoy some people.

I would love to have VY a Texan. That doesn't make those who trolled in this forum during the season any less annoying.

[rezdawg]

Im just pissed that we are talking about picking Quinn when we had VY in our hands last year. Dammit.

I was all for drafting Mario last year, but if we are turning around this year and going with a QB in the first, that just makes me sick.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Im just pissed that we are talking about picking Quinn when we had VY in our hands last year. Dammit.

I was all for drafting Mario last year, but if we are turning around this year and going with a QB in the first, that just makes me sick.


I would rather wait on a QB free agent and try to get a Peterson etc in the draft. But I am worried that the Texans are just trying to appease the Carr haters. You can thank them.

[Khal80]

people can prefer and talk about the past all they want...with VY we would..yada yada yada...

but if your Texans fan, you know with the free agents that we are signing plus the draft we can really upgrade our team

and our D, with a healthy Mario and Ryans, is going to be sick.....

[Groogrux]

and our D, with a healthy Mario and Ryans, is going to be sick.....

That's why I'd go Landry with the first pick (if AP's off the board).

[rezdawg]

We need to get a safety in this draft...whether its Landry, Nelson, or Merriweather.

I prefer Landry with our 1st...but if thats not gonna happen, we need to hope Merriweather drops to us in the 2nd (Nelson will be gone).

Another thing we could do is trade down and draft Nelson later in the 1st round...and pick up an additional first day pick in the process.

Nelson + 3rd rounder > Landry

[BMoney]

The Texans should go through their normal evaluation process and not be afraid to go after Quinn if they think he has what it takes. The Texans would be worse off if they were gun shy in drafting a quarterback like Quinn just because he may remind some fans of David Carr, or because they passed on Vince Young last year. The Texans have so many needs that I would have no problem with them drafting Landry, or Levi Brown, or one of the defensive linemen if they were available. I also wouldn't flip out if they drafted Quinn. If they think he is a franchise quarterback, I wouldn't have a problem with them moving up to get him, either.

[MR. MEOWGI]

The Texans should go through their normal evaluation process and not be afraid to go after Quinn if they think he has what it takes. The Texans would be worse off if they were gun shy in drafting a quarterback like Quinn just because he may remind some fans of David Carr, or because they passed on Vince Young last year. The Texans have so many needs that I would have no problem with them drafting Landry, or Levi Brown, or one of the defensive linemen if they were available. I also wouldn't flip out if they drafted Quinn. If they think he is a franchise quarterback, I wouldn't have a problem with them moving up to get him, either.

I don't have a problem drafting Quinn if they really think he is that good and they truly think he is the best pick. I just don't want them taking chances to pander to the Carr haters.

[ima_drummer2k]

The Texans should go through their normal evaluation process and not be afraid to go after Quinn if they think he has what it takes. The Texans would be worse off if they were gun shy in drafting a quarterback like Quinn just because he may remind some fans of David Carr, or because they passed on Vince Young last year. The Texans have so many needs that I would have no problem with them drafting Landry, or Levi Brown, or one of the defensive linemen if they were available. I also wouldn't flip out if they drafted Quinn. If they think he is a franchise quarterback, I wouldn't have a problem with them moving up to get him, either.
Agreed. Except the part about trading up to get Quinn

The Texans need to do what they think is going to make the team better regardless of what bitter ut fans or sports talk radio callers think they should do or should have done last year.

[Dr.Strangelove]

As mentioned,Quinn is polished,can read coverages,and make snap decisions....Without a doubt a leader.
Brady will be making many trips to Hawaii.So,part of me would love this pick.
Think about it,last year we pick up Mario who should be healthy now and spearheading a fearsome defense in the near future.
And this year we pick up a guy that has consistently been rated as one of the top QB's for his whole career....and he's played against the best comp.

On the flip side,not taking Quinn and trading down is attractive.
Picking up a CB,OL,and DL in the first couple of rounds would really benefit the cause.

Bottom line on a QB,unless we have a decent O line,it doesn't matter.

Now I'm not convinced that Carr couldn't do the job behind a good line,but it's time to cut the chord.Quinn is light years ahead of Carr coming out and will prove it over the course of his career.

The thing is I'm not sure I wouldn't rather trade for Matt Schaub and use the picks to strengthen the rest of our team.

[xiki]

The thing is I'm not sure I wouldn't rather trade for Matt Schaub and use the picks to strengthen the rest of our team.

If they wouldn't trade a 4th for Plummer what makes you think they'd trade (a pick, presumably) for Schaub?

[Dr.Strangelove]

If they wouldn't trade a 4th for Plummer what makes you think they'd trade (a pick, presumably) for Schaub?


Because Schaub is a younger and better QB than Plummer.

[Pocket Rockets]

people can prefer and talk about the past all they want...with VY we would..yada yada yada...

but if your Texans fan, you know with the free agents that we are signing plus the draft we can really upgrade our team

and our D, with a healthy Mario and Ryans, is going to be sick.....

yes, but i believe this town cannot handle having david carr as the starting qb next season.

[MadMax]

I don't have a problem drafting Quinn if they really think he is that good and they truly think he is the best pick. I just don't want them taking chances to pander to the Carr haters.

do you actually have an opinion about anything football-related that isn't formed by a reaction to someone else?

do you have an opinion about Carr on your own, or is it completely based on what the Texans do with him?

do you have an opinion of VY independent of your reaction to other people's reaction to him? or sans kicking someone in the teeth?

[xiki]

Because Schaub is a younger and better QB than Plummer.

Is he a GKu type QB? How high a pick do you presume Texans would offer/Falcons accept?

[Achilleus]

Is he a GKu type QB? How high a pick do you presume Texans would offer/Falcons accept?

They need a first and third rounder for him.

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=120887&sport=nfl

[vator]

When I first heard this news about Quinn on the radio I wanted to throw up. I hope this doesn't happen and if it does, I hope that I am wrong about the guy. I can't go through this all over again.

[MadMax]

They need a first and third rounder for him.

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=120887&sport=nfl

not gonna happen. not with the Texans, anyway.

[vator]

not gonna happen. not with the Texans, anyway.

Wow a 1st and a 3rd for a guy who really hasn't proven anything other than he is a good backup QB. Don't get me wrong, I like the way he has played in relief of Vick but there have been plenty of instances where backups have come in and played well and faltered when they were actually elevated to the full time starters role. That is a pretty steep price in my opinion. I wouldn't do it.

[mogrod]

When I first heard this news about Quinn on the radio I wanted to throw up. I hope this doesn't happen and if it does, I hope that I am wrong about the guy. I can't go through this all over again.

In regards to if they draft Quinn, who knows what they will do but I know it WILL NOT be to trade up to get him or anyone.

They want MORE picks not less.

If the Texans and Redskins had a "gentleman's agreement", does anyone honestly believe it would be all over the internet, especially reported by a major media outlet (ESPN)?

It would screw up any plan for the deal to go down because another team would trade up above them to get Quinn or whoever else.

If I had my guess, it would be that the Cardinals are trying to drum up more interest in their pick at #5.


And, why all the pessimism on this board about drafting Quinn? I don't know how he will turn out in the long run. No one does. That is the crap-shoot of the NFL draft.

And that goes for VY as well. He had a great "rookie" year and better than a lot of people thought he would. But, one season doesn't make him a hall-of-famer. He still hasn't proven he is an "elite" QB. Will he be? Very well could. Definitely? The jury is still out.

It's like everyone sees another white, "pretty boy" QB and assumes he is JUST and will be JUST like Carr. i just don't get it.

The guy is highly regarded in NFL circles, has been under the instruction of a great offensive coordinator who has been mentoring him on how to be a great QB in college and in the NFL and will be going to a situation (unlike Carr) where he has a damn good QB coach in Kubiak, a proven, succesfull offensive system, a star reciever and an improved O-line.

Whoever they draft at QB is in a MUCH better place to succeed. Besides, it's not like he will be thrown out thier to fail from the start.

If they draft Quinn, people should be happy the Texans got their hands on highly-touted player who has all the tools and could potentially be a damn good QB and face of the franchise; not bitch about getting another white dude. :D

[xiki]

They need a first and third rounder for him.

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=120887&sport=nfl

Perhaps a wee much for a very unproven b/u, eh?

[vator]

And, why all the pessimism on this board about drafting Quinn? I don't know how he will turn out in the long run. No one does. That is the crap-shoot of the NFL draft.

And that goes for VY as well. He had a great "rookie" year and better than a lot of people thought he would. But, one season doesn't make him a hall-of-famer. He still hasn't proven he is an "elite" QB. Will he be? Very well could. Definitely? The jury is still out.

It's like everyone sees another white, "pretty boy" QB and assumes he is JUST and will be JUST like Carr. i just don't get it.

The guy is highly regarded in NFL circles, has been under the instruction of a great offensive coordinator who has been mentoring him on how to be a great QB in college and in the NFL and will be going to a situation (unlike Carr) where he has a damn good QB coach in Kubiak, a proven, succesfull offensive system, a star reciever and an improved O-line.

Whoever they draft at QB is in a MUCH better place to succeed. Besides, it's not like he will be thrown out thier to fail from the start.

If they draft Quinn, people should be happy the Texans got their hands on highly-touted player who has all the tools and could potentially be a damn good QB and face of the franchise; not bitch about getting another white dude. :D

I don't have a problem with them drafting a "white" QB. Last time I checked, most QB's in the NFL are "white" so I hope that other people in this thread have said that and that isn't in reference to my post in particular. For the record, I don't have a problem with a "white" QB, I happen to have a problem with this QB. I don't care about him being under Charlie Weis's tutelage. That doesn't really give me confidence that he will succeed on the next level but I sure hope that it is a step in the right direction. Like I said, I would hope to god that I am wrong if they draft this guy but I look at him and I see a guy with the obvious physical tools who got to throw the ball around a lot and lost a lot of big games against the top competition.

[MykTek]

why is everyone thinking that Sage can handle the starting QB job? I couldn't get it in Washington or Miami...I think last year was a fluke, I rather give Carr one last chance. Looks like he's gonna actually have a good OL this year. Thats if we don't draft someone...I'm not big on BQ, but Klob in the 2nd/3rd I would be... I picture him in the same mode as Peyton, being able to audible on the fly and etc....

[mogrod]

I don't have a problem with them drafting a "white" QB.

Yea sorry, wasn't really reference to your post.

And I shouldn't have brought anything to do with race in the issue at all. But, it just seems there are people who see a guy like Quinn, see some cosmetic similarities between he and Carr and are scared off by him.

I'm by no means pushing for Quinn nor do I have a like or dislike towards him. I would perfectly happy with a Laron landry or some other players. But, if they do indeed draft Quinn, I wouldn't be dissapointed either for many of the things I said in my last post.

I actually trust the current regime at bringing in a good, young QB, developing him and turning him into a very good QB. That includes a Stanton, Kolb or any other QB they may get in the draft. The only difference is Quinn clearly has an advantage over the others as a prospect right now as example of him being projected as a sure fire top 5 pick the last 1-2 years.

[Dr.Strangelove]

I just think it's not out of the realm of possibility that with a few moves,we actually contend for the playoffs.

A healthy offensive line,an evolving defense that will eventually be dominant(a healthy Mario and a coming out party for TJ),big play guys like Andre,a nice combo running game of Green and Dayne,and a helluva coach in Kubiak.

I just don't see us being as far away as many might think....


If we trade down...
We can get Schaub for a low first(27-31) and a third.

Then use the other first on a corner.

Somewhere we get another OL and DL.

If we go with Quinn it's definitely going to take longer,but that's not necessarily a bad thing.It just depends on which direction we want to go.


All this doesn't even factor in Carr's situation..If we have a line he could produce and we would be able to draft real quality at need positions.It does sound like he will be traded though and that might bring us that second third for the Falcons.

[vator]

Yeah I trust that if Kubiak really want the guy then there must be a reason why much in the same way that Shanahan really wanted Cutler while some weren't as sold on him. If they believe he is the perfect guy for the system then so be it. It's just that the horrific David Carr memories are still burned into my mind and I just can't take another 5 years of waiting for some young guy to try to prove he is capable of being even a mediocre QB. Does he have the "It"? I haven't seen it but maybe Kubiak has. Also watching Mario Williams play "ok" while so many guys taken after him flourished was hard. I haven't given up on Mario yet but I hope he can come back this year healthy and be what they told us he would be when they dumped him in our laps and told us they knew what they were doing.

[MR. MEOWGI]

do you actually have an opinion about anything football-related that isn't formed by a reaction to someone else?

do you have an opinion about Carr on your own, or is it completely based on what the Texans do with him?

do you have an opinion of VY independent of your reaction to other people's reaction to him? or sans kicking someone in the teeth?

What do you think that post was?

Carr is not a great QB. But I don't think we need to immediately get rid of him if we do not get something better in return. That is completely stupid idea. I do not get the idea that we absolutely need to get rid of Carr right now, no matter what. It is insane. It is nothing but personal and has VY written all over it.

The VY lovers should not try to dictate the moves this team makes. Get off of it already.

[MR. MEOWGI]

yes, but i believe this town cannot handle having david carr as the starting qb next season.

Why? It is just mass emotional hysteria and there is no logic involved.

I would be fine with Carr and Sage competing for starting QB if we make some other solid moves and picks, and we continue looking for a real upgrade to the QB. I don't see what the problem with that would be at all.

If you do have a problem with that, like I said, it is nothing but emotional garbage. It makes me sick.

[Major]

If you do have a problem with that, like I said, it is nothing but emotional garbage. It makes me sick.

Isn't the whole point of sports emotional?

[ima_drummer2k]

but I look at him and I see a guy with the obvious physical tools who got to throw the ball around a lot and lost a lot of big games against the top competition.
It sounds like you're describing this guy:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAHE246_8x10~Peyton-Manning-Tennessee-Posters.jpg

[MR. MEOWGI]

Isn't the whole point of sports emotional?

Maybe. Just like how I will be pissed if the VY lovers have any influence in the moves this team makes.

[ima_drummer2k]

If we trade down...
We can get Schaub for a low first(27-31) and a third.
I say negative on that.

I think the Texans should have a self imposed 4-year moratorium on trading away draft picks, especially for a Rob Johnson redux.

[vator]

It sounds like you're describing this guy:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAHE246_8x10~Peyton-Manning-Tennessee-Posters.jpg

For every Manning you name I can probably come up with about about 10 guys like David Carr.

[MadMax]

Maybe. Just like how I will be pissed if the VY lovers have any influence in the moves this team makes.

we're gonna have influence. we won't stop. we're gathering. we live in your neighborhoods. we're in your schools. some of us are dating your daughters. we're infiltrating the texans, as evidenced by the behind-the-scenes glimpses that they've tried to trade DC. we might be sitting next to you at the game, assuming you go.

[KingCheetah]

we might be sitting next to you at the game, assuming you go.

Lol, Meowgi HATES football -- won't see him there.

[MR. MEOWGI]

we're gonna have influence. we won't stop. we're gathering. we live in your neighborhoods. we're in your schools. some of us are dating your daughters. we're infiltrating the texans, as evidenced by the behind-the-scenes glimpses that they've tried to trade DC. we might be sitting next to you at the game, assuming you go.

I do think it is a possibility the Carr haters, sports talk shows who start petitions do get rid of Carr etc might have an impact on the Texans decisions. I hope not. I cringe when I hear that fans "can't take another year of Carr" or that The Texans have to get rid of Carr no matter what we get in return, if anything. I just don't get it. I don't care if the make a QB move. I just care why.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Lol, Meowgi HATES football -- won't see him there.

I want go to a Texans game this year. It's just not a priority to me money-wise. I would go for sure for free, and it doesnt matter if Carr is the QB.

[Dr.Strangelove]

So what do you want them to do ima?

Like I said,I could see moving down,but now there are rumors about a move up.

Is Quinn a smokescreen?
Who would you want out of Joe Thomas,Calvin Johnson,and Adrian Peterson?
Obviously Thomas at left tackle would finally take care of that for the next 10 years.
Johnson and Andre would be sick together.

But how do you pass on a talent like AP if given the chance?

I see him as a Hall of Fame type back.

And what do we do about QB?

[ima_drummer2k]

So what do you want them to do ima?

Either take the best player available at #8 or trade down and get more picks. Don't trade up and give away picks. Too may holes to fill. No more giving away picks EVER.

If AP is there at 8, I soooooo take him. I don't think he will be, though. As far as QB goes, maybe take someone in the 2nd round like Kolb.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

If AP is there at 8, I soooooo take him. I don't think he will be, though. As far as QB goes, maybe take someone in the 2nd round like Kolb.
At this point, as far as QB ratings go, it seems like Kolb will be around in the third, amybe even fourth round.

At least that's what it seems like to me. :cool:

[BrieflySpeaking]

soooo no trade yet huh...

[IROC it]

soooo no trade yet huh...

nope.

[Pocket Rockets]

Why? It is just mass emotional hysteria and there is no logic involved.

I would be fine with Carr and Sage competing for starting QB if we make some other solid moves and picks, and we continue looking for a real upgrade to the QB. I don't see what the problem with that would be at all.

If you do have a problem with that, like I said, it is nothing but emotional garbage. It makes me sick.

well apparently your expections are really low if thats the case.

there would be no competition...carr would have the job...and that would not be a good thing for texans football. How much longer can you go not realizing andre's full potential?
This team would have another 5 or 6 win season at the helm.

[rezdawg]

How much longer can you go not realizing andre's full potential?

If anything, its the other receivers that arent getting attention. We go all out with Andre...He led the league in catches, but also had some drops that were on him, not Carr.

[HillBoy]

Missed that boat already. Had your chance.

Quinn, imo is Carr with a lesser arm.

The anti-VY sentiment on this board is incredible. Why the hate?[/QUOTE]

Apologize for the double post. Damned RoadRunner Cable Internet!

[HillBoy]

Missed that boat already. Had your chance.
That won't stop cracks like this from coming from the VYOFs...

Quinn, imo is Carr with a lesser arm.
Interesting hypothesis. I never looked at him in that light.

The anti-VY sentiment on this board is incredible. Why the hate?
In a word: Fear. Fear that the Texans actually passed on a once in lifetime player for a guy they now can't even give away - a guy who is no longer the answer here at QB. Fear that he (VY) will ultimately realize his true potential and help transform Tennessee into another 900-lb gorilla in this division to go along with Indianapolis (Now how much would that suck? As Manning's career winds down, VY's career takes off and the Texans stand in place). Fear that passing up on VY will curse and condemn this franchise to bottom feeder status for at least a decade maybe more. Fear that we passed on a guy who could have been the next Earl Campbell for the Texans.

[MR. MEOWGI]

well apparently your expections are really low if thats the case.

there would be no competition...carr would have the job...and that would not be a good thing for texans football. How much longer can you go not realizing andre's full potential?
This team would have another 5 or 6 win season at the helm.


This team could easily go 8-8 with Carr next season. We were an overtime and a close loss away from doing it last year.

I still don't see the point in immediately getting rid of Carr for nothing in the QB spot in return. That makes the team worse, not better. I have to problem in upgrading the QB position. I just want to take the time to make sure it is a good move. I have no problem with the team drafting Quinn if they honestly and completely believe it is the best pick for the team. Shipping Carr out now just to satisfy the haters when you get nothing in return, making the position worse and spending or much money just doesn't make any sense. Why can't you people understand that?

[HillBoy]

The VY hate here is mostly directed to the fanboys. They are obsessed. If you do a search you will see posts where people are happy that the Titans beat the Texans etc just because of VY. It's stupid and it should not be tolerated.
I disagree. The so-called "fanboys" are entitled to their opinion after all, this is a forum for opinions is it not?. Rest assured that if by some miracle of creation, the Texans actually make it to a SuperBowl in my lifetime, these guys would absolutely cream in their pants in trying to score tickets while painting themselves red & blue. Winning cures everything and all the Texans have to do is start winning and keep on winning for life to good for us all.

Anyway, it's not what the Texans did about VY that's important now because while it does look like they really blew that one, no amount of bitching will change what happened. No, what's important is what they can now do to insure that this team and franchise does not get relegated to also-ran status in their division for the next decade or so. The Texans' organization may like to think that they are playing a game called football but the reality is that they are actually playing Survivor. And they would do well to take to heart the 3 tenets of Survivor: Outwit, Outthink & Outplay your competition.

[HillBoy]

Because Schaub is a younger and better QB than Plummer.
Doesn't Schaub have a much weaker arm than Plummer?

[MR. MEOWGI]

I disagree. The so-called "fanboys" are entitled to their opinion after all, this is a forum for opinions is it not?. Rest assured that if by some miracle of creation, the Texans actually make it to a SuperBowl in my lifetime, these guys would absolutely cream in their pants in trying to score tickets while paing themselves red & blue. Winning cures everything and all the Texans have to do is start winning and keep on winning for life to good for us all.

Anyway, it's not what the Texans did about VY that's important now because while it does look like they really blew that one, no amount of bitching will change what happened. No, what's important is what they can now do to insure that this team and franchise does not get relegated to also-ran status in their division for the next decade or so. The Texans' organization may like to think that they are playing a game called football but the reality is that they are actually playing Survivor. And they would do well to take to heart the 3 tenets of Survivor: Outwit, Outthink & Outplay your competition.

Dude, if people come in here wanting the Texans to lose it is the same as pople coming in here wanting the Rockets to lose. **** them. I will hate them plain and simple.

[HillBoy]

For every Manning you name I can probably come up with about about 10 guys like David Carr.
Or Todd Blacklege who was actually drafted ahead of Dan Marino. In fact, for every Terry Bradshaw you name, I can probably come up with about 10 guys like Dan Pastorini...

[HillBoy]

Maybe. Just like how I will be pissed if the VY lovers have any influence in the moves this team makes.
I don't think you have anything to fear on that point. The Texans have more than conclusively shown that they are quite capable of screwing things up all by their lonesome...They don't need any advice from a third party to do that.

[HillBoy]

Dude, if people come in here wanting the Texans to lose it is the same as pople coming in here wanting the Rockets to lose. **** them. I will hate them plain and simple.
I see your point but all the bleating for Vince Young simply has no effect on me anymore. I just think it's pointless to get all worked up over this any more.

[ima_drummer2k]

In a word: Fear. Fear that the Texans actually passed on a once in lifetime player for a guy they now can't even give away - a guy who is no longer the answer here at QB. Fear that he (VY) will ultimately realize his true potential and help transform Tennessee into another 900-lb gorilla in this division to go along with Indianapolis (Now how much would that suck? As Manning's career winds down, VY's career takes off and the Texans stand in place). Fear that passing up on VY will curse and condemn this franchise to bottom feeder status for at least a decade maybe more. Fear that we passed on a guy who could have been the next Earl Campbell for the Texans.
LOL, I don't have "fear" of Vince Young. I just don't think we should print his ticket to the Hall of Fame until he throws more TD's than INT's in a season. He hasn't done that yet.

I've asked gr8-1 to come up with one example in this thread of anyone "hating" Vince Young and he hasn't. So can we stop with the "hater" nonsense? Just because some people choose not to fall to their knees and praise the almighty Vince Young 4 times a day doesn't mean they "hate" him.

[Anticope]

In a word: Fear. Fear that the Texans actually passed on a once in lifetime player for a guy they now can't even give away - a guy who is no longer the answer here at QB. Fear that he (VY) will ultimately realize his true potential and help transform Tennessee into another 900-lb gorilla in this division to go along with Indianapolis (Now how much would that suck? As Manning's career winds down, VY's career takes off and the Texans stand in place). Fear that passing up on VY will curse and condemn this franchise to bottom feeder status for at least a decade maybe more. Fear that we passed on a guy who could have been the next Earl Campbell for the Texans.

Wow, you can't be serious. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds? There's no such thing as a "once in a lifetime player" so quit throwing around that term. I guess Earl Campbell was a once in a life time player as well? He played like 30 years ago so these must be some short lifetimes we are dealing with.

And yeah, I'm sure Kubiak and Smith are going to be so stunned from passing over Vince Young last year that they won't be able to make any good moves within the next 10 years to field a good team. :rolleyes:

P.S. How many super bowls did Campbell win for the Oilers again?

[MR. MEOWGI]

I see your point but all the bleating for Vince Young simply has no effect on me anymore. I just think it's pointless to get all worked up over this any more.

Well I'm not the one that is worked up. It's the people who want to get rid of Carr right now for nothing in return that are worked up. It's the people who say "I can't not take a another year of Carr" even though we might get some other great signings and picks who are worked up.

But when I see a post that says "Go Titans, beat the Texans" I might have something to tell them. :)

[MadMax]

Dude, if people come in here wanting the Texans to lose it is the same as pople coming in here wanting the Rockets to lose. **** them. I will hate them plain and simple.

yeah!!! what he said!!!

and if you give him tickets for free, he'll go to the game, even!! he's super-fan!!!

[MR. MEOWGI]

yeah!!! what he said!!!

and if you give him tickets for free, he'll go to the game, even!! he's super-fan!!!

So being a fan means nothing but spending money?

[MadMax]

So being a fan means nothing but spending money?

no...i'm just having a hard time understanding where the "kick them in the the teeth" passion is coming from.

[MR. MEOWGI]

no...i'm just having a hard time understanding where the "kick them in the the teeth" passion is coming from.

Imagine if Dirk lovers infiltrated this board.

[MadMax]

Imagine if Dirk lovers infiltrated this board.

yeah..but i actually cared about the Rox to begin with.

[Groogrux]

yeah..but i actually cared about the Rox to begin with.

So, if you didn't care, why does it matter?

[MadMax]

So, if you didn't care, why does it matter?

i think you're missing the point.

[Groogrux]

i think you're missing the point.

No, I got the point. I've heard it a bunch from more than one person. That's why it annoys some of us (and I'm not saying you do). If you barely cared about the Texans to begin with and choose to root for VY/Titans over the Texans, fine. I just don't understand the point of sticking around to remind Texans' fans that you (and I'm not talking specifically to you) think they made a mistake.

A lot of us cared about the Texans before they even had a name. So, to those of us that have, it's the same thing as this board being overrun with Dirk supporters since the Titans are not only a division rival, they're owned by a guy that moved the Oilers from Houston.

[MadMax]

No, I got the point. I've heard it a bunch from more than one person. That's why it annoys some of us (and I'm not saying you do). If you barely cared about the Texans to begin with and choose to root for VY/Titans over the Texans, fine. I just don't understand the point of sticking around to remind Texans' fans that you (and I'm not talking specifically to you) think they made a mistake.

A lot of us cared about the Texans before they even had a name. So, to those of us that have, it's the same thing as this board being overrun with Dirk supporters since the Titans are not only a division rival, they're owned by a guy that moved the Oilers from Houston.

no...you're missing the point entirely. read my posts with meowgi over the last 2 pages or so. it has nothing to do with what you're talking about. it's not about whether or not i cared about the texans before...it's about whether he did...and where all the related venom comes from.

[MR. MEOWGI]

yeah..but i actually cared about the Rox to begin with.

I have always cared. I just wasn't gung ho. Relationships take time. All of this somehow made me more of a fan, not less. It's like someone picking on your dorky little brother. Yeah, he's a dork but he's still your brother, and he just might surprise you one day.

[Groogrux]

no...you're missing the point entirely. read my posts with meowgi over the last 2 pages or so. it has nothing to do with what you're talking about. it's not about whether or not i cared about the texans before...it's about whether he did...and where all the related venom comes from.

Gotcha.

[KingCheetah]

Imagine if Dirk lovers infiltrated this board.

Meowgi why don't we see you on the attack in all the moronic Boki threads that pop up?

[msn]

There's no such thing as a "once in a lifetime player" so quit throwing around that term. I guess Earl Campbell was a once in a life time player as well? He played like 30 years ago so these must be some short lifetimes we are dealing with.
Wow--well done. Well done indeed.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Meowgi why don't we see you on the attack in all the moronic Boki threads that pop up?


Let me know when people want the Nets to beat the Rockets and I will be there asap.

[Win]

Go get'm, MEOWGI :D

[Ottomaton]

and where all the related venom comes from.


Newton's Third Law:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[HillBoy]

Wow, you can't be serious. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds? There's no such thing as a "once in a lifetime player" so quit throwing around that term. I guess Earl Campbell was a once in a life time player as well? He played like 30 years ago so these must be some short lifetimes we are dealing with.
You got me...I was engaging in hyperbole there (How's my hyperbole RM95?). But have you actually looked at some of the stuff coming from the VYOF or the VYIG factions? There is a distinct undercurrent of fear there that's unmistakable.

And yeah, I'm sure Kubiak and Smith are going to be so stunned from passing over Vince Young last year that they won't be able to make any good moves within the next 10 years to field a good team. :rolleyes:
Well, looking at their current QB situation, I'd have to say that they are off to a most inauspicious start but as I posted above, the game is Survivor and if they don't (or can't) get the job done then you can bet they'll both find themselves "voted off the island"...

P.S. How many super bowls did Campbell win for the Oilers again?
Answer: Zero but that's not why Earl is so fondly remembered. Earl brought style and identity to a long suffering franchise that had been a distant number 2 (to the Cowboys) as well as a running punchline in this state for years and years. His hardnosed play at long last gave Houston football fans a reason to have pride in their hometown team. More than anything, he brought the hope that a championship was achievable for a team where once upon a time, the mere thought of such would have elicited waves of laughter. So, I can certainly understand the emotionalism surrounding the perceived snub of VY hence, I have no problem with folks being angry and hurt.

[HillBoy]

LOL, I don't have "fear" of Vince Young. I just don't think we should print his ticket to the Hall of Fame until he throws more TD's than INT's in a season. He hasn't done that yet.

I've asked gr8-1 to come up with one example in this thread of anyone "hating" Vince Young and he hasn't. So can we stop with the "hater" nonsense? Just because some people choose not to fall to their knees and praise the almighty Vince Young 4 times a day doesn't mean they "hate" him.
Actually, a lot of this VYIG stuff reminds me of the "King James" hype that accompanied LeBron James when he came into the league. I'm sure that like LeBron has found in basketball, the "chosen one" will find the road to football immortality to possess more than a few potholes along the way. You'll know that things are completely out of control when Bernie Mac shows up on TV quoting scripture about young Vince.

[HillBoy]

Wow--well done. Well done indeed.
Earl was truly one of a kind. We shall not see his like again...OK, OK enough with the hyperbole.

[MiniMing]

Don't draft Quinn.

Fill other holes.

[rhino17]

Don't draft Quinn.

Fill other holes.

How About the hole at quarterback

[DonnyMost]

How About the hole at quarterback

consensus seems to be that a quality QB can be gotten easier via free agency or a second day draft pick.. rather than blowing another top pick on a QB and praying for him to be jesus reincarnate.

if we have the talent, the QB will emerge..

[ROXRAN]

We could end up with Trent Green according to the expert at work...We shall see.

[OldManBernie]

consensus seems to be that a quality QB can be gotten easier via free agency or a second day draft pick.. rather than blowing another top pick on a QB and praying for him to be jesus reincarnate.

if we have the talent, the QB will emerge..

So who is a decent QB from this year's free agency?

[MadMax]

So who is a decent QB from this year's free agency?

and who is the quality QB you'll get on the second day of the draft?

[DaDakota]

and who is the quality QB you'll get on the second day of the draft?

Tom Brady?

DD

[MadMax]

Tom Brady?

DD


in this draft?

maybe there's a brady in there.

[Nick]

How many rookie QB's get developed with a beyond awful O-line in place?

[MR. MEOWGI]

Trading draft picks for an unsure Quinn would not be good. Texans have been trading picks forever and it helped ruin this team. It needs to stop and with Kubiak it already has. We need more picks, not less. We need to take the best players available. If that means another year of Carr/Sage, then ok.

The Texans will not draft BQ.

[updawg]

Trading draft picks for an unsure Quinn would not be good. Texans have been trading picks forever and it helped ruin this team. It needs to stop and with Kubiak it already has. We need more picks, not less. We need to take the best players available. If that means another year of Carr/Sage, then ok.

The Texans will not draft BQ.
wow, that time change must have screwed something up. A topic about the Texans that I agree with Meowgi on.

[Dr.Strangelove]

We could end up with Trent Green according to the expert at work...We shall see.


I definitely don't want Trent Green.

He benefitted from playing behind an out of control OL and a great running game.

[rhester]

There are no real good QB options available this offseason. There are alot of ??? with all the rookies, there are no quality vets available.

Just start Sage, draft a rookie backup, and focus on the other needs.

We will have a better chance at a good QB next season.

Unless we get lucky with Sage or a rookie.

Don't reach for Brady Quinn.

Draft a QB no higher than 3rd round.

Must fill big gaps at other positions. OT, WR, DL, S, CB, LB

[Major]

How many rookie QB's get developed with a beyond awful O-line in place?

I'd think plenty. Most teams with top draft picks have awful teams. Awful teams often have awful lines. I can't imagine when Cinci had the #1 pick and when Indy had the #1 pick, etc they had these great O-Lines in place. Tennessee and Arizona last year certainly didn't.

[pgabriel]

I'd think plenty. Most teams with top draft picks have awful teams. Awful teams often have awful lines. I can't imagine when Cinci had the #1 pick and when Indy had the #1 pick, etc they had these great O-Lines in place. Tennessee and Arizona last year certainly didn't.

exactly, the o-line offense excuse is getting as played as the should've drafted vince talk. you would swear that no successful qb ever had to start their career behind a weak line. the line wasn't that bad last season and it wasn't that bad the third year. in 05 their was regression but obviously with a 2-14 team their was regression with the entire team.

[Ric]

I can't imagine when Cinci had the #1 pick and when Indy had the #1 pick, etc they had these great O-Lines in place. Tennessee and Arizona last year certainly didn't.
indy had tarik glenn in place at LT; also they've had the same OL coach since manning's rookie year. (they also had faulk and harrison.) palmer had levi jones and willie anderson as his starting tackles (both all pros and former first rounders), as well as steinbach, who just signed a big FA contract with cleveland. also, same OL coach the entire time.

true, re: tennessee and arizona, but then again, both QBs were fairly mediocre last year, statistically, and the OL was certainly a factor (especially in AZ).

[Ric]

you would swear that no successful qb ever had to start their career behind a weak line. the line wasn't that bad last season and it wasn't that bad the third year. in 05 their was regression but obviously with a 2-14 team their was regression with the entire team.
yeah, and most rookie QBs struggle behind a bad offensive line - look at troy aikman's first two years.

the line was terrible last year; i can't believe this revivionism that's taking place - it lost three opening day starters by week 9!. it was better the third year, you're right - and guess what? it was, far and away, carr's best year; a year in which, for half of it, he was pace for hawaii. probably just a coincidence, though...

[pgabriel]

yeah, and most rookie QBs struggle behind a bad offensive line - look at troy aikman's first two years.

the line was terrible last year; i can't believe this revivionism that's taking place - it lost three opening day starters by week 9!. it was better the third year, you're right - and guess what? it was, far and away, carr's best year; a year in which, for half of it, he was pace for hawaii. probably just a coincidence, though...


it sure didn't look bad against the titans when the only constant all these year was replaced. but I know, teams play differently half to half.

[Groogrux]

it sure didn't look bad against the titans when the only constant all these year was replaced. but I know, teams play differently half to half.

I'm not sure that 3% of the season is a very ample sample size.

Haha, I said ample sample.

[Major]

I'm not sure that 3% of the season is a very ample sample size.

Haha, I said ample sample.

Oddly, that 3% of the season contained 20% of our season's TD passes. :)

[Ric]

it sure didn't look bad against the titans when the only constant all these year was replaced. but I know, teams play differently half to half.
no, you're right; the other 15 games (+ four years) and tennessee's 21-3 3Q lead and 28-10 4Q lead that afternoon were all irrelevant.

[Major]

indy had tarik glenn in place at LT; also they've had the same OL coach since manning's rookie year. (they also had faulk and harrison.) palmer had levi jones and willie anderson as his starting tackles (both all pros and former first rounders), as well as steinbach, who just signed a big FA contract with cleveland. also, same OL coach the entire time.

true, re: tennessee and arizona, but then again, both QBs were fairly mediocre last year, statistically, and the OL was certainly a factor (especially in AZ).

Fair enough - I don't know enough about those lines to really comment with any value. It just seems that most highly drafted rookie QB's are going to have mediocre to bad lines initially. Certainly not for 5 years or as ridiculously bad as the Texans' lines were, but if we were to get a rookie QB this year, I don't think he would be unable to develop due to the line. (I don't disagree that this was a major and unique obstacle for Carr because of how ridiculously bad the line was early on).

[Ric]

Fair enough - I don't know enough about those lines to really comment with any value. It just seems that most highly drafted rookie QB's are going to have mediocre to bad lines initially. Certainly not for 5 years or as ridiculously bad as the Texans' lines were, but if we were to get a rookie QB this year, I don't think he would be unable to develop due to the line. (I don't disagree that this was a major and unique obstacle for Carr because of how ridiculously bad the line was early on).
as much blame as we put on the line (and i realize carr must share in it), my biggest chunk is saved for the coaches, who, for absolutely no good reason, allowed him to stay back there and get abused on a weekly basis. hell, i saw a little klinger in him back in 2003! to this day, i can't fathom what their thinking was. we knew the son of a bitch was tough after game f'ing 2 of the 2002 season; why did he stay out there?

i guess this is where i ultimately fall on carr - i'm not biased, per se, but, my god, i've never seen a player so universally abandoned by his own team (save for those who are disliked, etc). i mean, maybe this guy is peyton manning; maybe he's ryan leaf - but they NEVER had a plan to figure it out - they rolled him out there and, i guess, expected him to overcome every and all obstacles... so i guess i find him somewhat endearing as a football player; it'd be nice if the guy could redeem himself.

[pgabriel]

no, you're right; the other 15 games (+ four years) and tennessee's 21-3 3Q lead and 28-10 4Q lead that afternoon were all irrelevant.


rightly or wrongly, that's all we have to judge. the fact is I don't know if its all offensive line because carr never gets off the field (to his credit). but I do know that sage also didn't have a problem in the preseason.

[Ric]

rightly or wrongly, that's all we have to judge. the fact is I don't know if its all offensive line because carr never gets off the field (to his credit). but I do know that sage also didn't have a problem in the preseason.
against 2nd, 3rd and currently unemployed-string. rosenfels is a career back-up; carr wasn't the first vet to beat him out - he joined an illustrious group highlighted by gus ferrotte, jay fiedler, aj feely...

people are absolutely deluding themselves if they think sage rosenfels is any short of even stop-gap answer.