ClutchFans - WANTED: VY vs. Texans TD .GIF

Lil Francis

03-08-2007, 08:12 PM

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Enjoy

SwoLy-D

03-09-2007, 03:18 PM

Enjoy Uhhh... that's a GIF? :rolleyes:

:D

tested911

03-09-2007, 03:25 PM

Enjoy

Still an Unbelievable win!! Can someone send this clip to the Texans Staff every single day till the start of the season? :)

I hope he becomes a great player in this leauge...

bottlerocket

03-09-2007, 04:09 PM

Puke.

updawg

03-09-2007, 04:14 PM

what could have been. :( :mad:

Lil Francis

03-09-2007, 06:06 PM

Uhhh... that's a GIF? :rolleyes:

:DLOL nope just wanted to roll that video on here :D

hchustler

03-09-2007, 11:38 PM

Am i the only one that noticed how Mario got held on that play?

gr8-1

03-10-2007, 10:13 AM

Am i the only one that noticed how Mario got held on that play?

Looked like every Titan was holding. I think Chris Simms's dad paid the refs off.

ryan17wagner

03-10-2007, 12:25 PM

Am i the only one that noticed how Mario got held on that play?

The NFL should review the tape! Then make the Titans come back and redo the down.

Lil Francis

03-10-2007, 12:36 PM

The NFL should review the tape! Then make the Titans come back and redo the down.Would just make VY's touchdown run even longer.

moligity

03-12-2007, 11:59 PM

^ that's the sad part

SamFisher

03-13-2007, 08:49 AM

Am i the only one that noticed how Mario got held on that play?

What I noticed was him trying to "sell" the hold by extending his arms in an exaggerated way - the equivalent of a Ginobili flop.

Lame, Mario. Lame.

The Cat

03-13-2007, 09:59 AM

Kam

03-13-2007, 10:06 AM

And that play wins the game why? Oh, that's right... the Titans won a flip of the coin. :rolleyes:

Gotta love NFL overtime rules. It's the only sport where two teams can battle extremely hard for 60 minutes, and in a majority of cases, the winner of a simple coin flip wins the game. I'm not saying the college system is perfect, but it's better than this. This is ridiculous.

Cause they don't want to ****ing die on the field. You want them to play an extra 15? and if it is tied, play another 15?

gunn

03-13-2007, 10:13 AM

And that play wins the game why? Oh, that's right... the Titans won a flip of the coin. :rolleyes:

Gotta love NFL overtime rules. It's the only sport where two teams can battle extremely hard for 60 minutes, and in a majority of cases, the winner of a simple coin flip wins the game. I'm not saying the college system is perfect, but it's better than this. This is ridiculous.

There are two sides of the ball you know. Offense and Defense right? How about making a stop then. The wrong end of a heads or tails flip doesn't prevent the defense from doing its job, correct?

The Cat

03-13-2007, 11:04 AM

There are two sides of the ball you know. Offense and Defense right? How about making a stop then. The wrong end of a heads or tails flip doesn't prevent the defense from doing its job, correct?

It puts you at a distinct disadvantage. Even on OT possessions where the defense forces a punt, the team that won the coin flip has a field position edge most of the time. Also, why should one team have to both make a defensive stop and score, while the other only has to do one?

That logic is the same as the people who rationalize bad calls by saying "they could've won anyway if not for blah blah blah." Maybe so, but one team shouldn't have more chances to win than another based on factors not related to the game.

The Cat

03-13-2007, 11:05 AM

Cause they don't want to ****ing die on the field. You want them to play an extra 15? and if it is tied, play another 15?

I didn't realize college players were dying.

MadMax

03-13-2007, 12:03 PM

I didn't realize college players were dying.

i hate college football OT. it reminds me of a shootout in soccer. i'd rather deal with a coin flip. don't wanna lose? stop the other team.

MR. MEOWGI

03-13-2007, 12:10 PM

They should get rid of the coin flip for the start of games and overtimes except for the Superbowl. Give it to the home team.

Groogrux

03-13-2007, 12:37 PM

i hate college football OT. it reminds me of a shootout in soccer. i'd rather deal with a coin flip. don't wanna lose? stop the other team.

I don't think it's fair that after 60 minutes of football (I'm sure the defense is really fresh), you either stop them from going essentially 40 yards or so (assuming average starting field position) and losing the game without your offense even having a chance. They should either do it like college where both teams have equal chances or play an entire quarter.

MadMax

03-13-2007, 01:37 PM

I don't think it's fair that after 60 minutes of football (I'm sure the defense is really fresh), you either stop them from going essentially 40 yards or so (assuming average starting field position) and losing the game without your offense even having a chance. They should either do it like college where both teams have equal chances or play an entire quarter.

i disagree.

i hate you now. ;)

updawg

03-13-2007, 01:49 PM

Texans totally would have beat the Titans had they not changed the rules. :rolleyes:

Groogrux

03-13-2007, 01:51 PM

i disagree.

i hate you now. ;)

I'm your Venom. :)

MadMax

03-13-2007, 01:59 PM

I'm your Venom. :)

:D then my son thinks you're really cool.

ima_drummer2k

03-13-2007, 02:00 PM

I tell you, on my list of the most devastating moments in Houston sports history, this probably ranks as high up as #42.

Ric

03-13-2007, 02:17 PM

I tell you, on my list of the most devastating moments in Houston sports history, this probably ranks as high up as #42.
no kidding; i mean, it sucked at the time, and yeah, that vy of all people scored the winning TD was (an initial) the opposite of a cherry on top, but in the grand scheme of things... it ranks even with the buffalo loss a week earlier. big deal. if we didn't have cockbags in here reminding us every hour that it happened, i would have already forgotten about it.

SamFisher

03-13-2007, 02:23 PM

it ranks even with the buffalo loss a week earlier. big deal. if we didn't have cockbags in here reminding us every hour that it happened, i would have already forgotten about it.

The problem of course is that outside of the opening game, the panoply of memorable moments, people, places or things of any kind in the bland history of the Texans is thin.

pgabriel

03-13-2007, 02:26 PM

The problem of course is that outside of the opening game, the panoply of memorable moments, people, places or things of any kind in the bland history of the Texans is thin.

hey, there's the time carr got his haircut on television .

SamFisher

03-13-2007, 02:29 PM

hey, there's the time carr got his haircut on television you cockbag.

That reminds me I forgot to bring my cockbag with me today even though it might rain. Now my weiner is going to get wet. :(

francis 4 prez

03-13-2007, 03:36 PM

while i tend to think sudden death isn't a good idea and like college OT, the winner of the coin flip wins more often in college than in the pros. i think it was something like 55% in the nfl and something a little above 60% in college. that's of course b/c the team winning the coin flip always chooses defense and then always knows what they have to do on offense. meaning you'll never kick a fg when they've scored a TD (and you'll use all 4 downs to score your TD if you have to) and you won't force a TD if you shut the other team out. playing an extra quarter would probably work close to the best, and even if the percentage didn't change much from 55%, it would at least give both teams a chance w/o just shooting it out from the 25. if they went to a 2nd OT, then just go sudden death.

SamFisher

03-13-2007, 03:40 PM

The NFL coin flip win % is a little misleading. In the early days when kickers sucked you didn't have as many "1 and done' overtimes. If you run the numbers since 1980 (or some later date thereabouts) - they tilt more heavily in favor of the coin flip winner.

ima_drummer2k

03-13-2007, 03:54 PM

The problem of course is that outside of the opening game, the panoply of memorable moments, people, places or things of any kind in the bland history of the Texans is thin.
Exactly. The 2006 Titans loss is really just another one of MANY losses and doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Glad we agree.

pgabriel

03-13-2007, 03:57 PM

its funny to see some people always say they've moved on from vy, yet they're always in that vy battle.

SamFisher

03-13-2007, 09:51 PM

Exactly. The 2006 Titans loss is really just another one of MANY losses and doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Glad we agree.

Yes, the loss doesn't mean much, because the Texans don't mean much. It's too bad because the fans of the city of Houston deserve better.

Glad we agree.

Shroopy2

03-14-2007, 06:38 AM

macalu

03-14-2007, 09:04 AM

Along with the ho-hum non-eventful Texans history, its "VinceFan" always stirring things up. Vince backers always get their talks in. They all act like they saw the light and the path to paradise in him from the very beginning. And will take any oppurtunity to come in with "I knew it, i TOLD YOU he would.." Acting like his marketing team, as though he needed their voice and backing to advance to each level everytime.

If he didnt prove it on the field so much and give them something to root for it'd be more annoying than what it is. But to his credit he does it. Just that Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart if they were on the Titans doing it would have generated 1/5 of the response.

lol. so true. they get ONE pick right (which really still remains to be seen) and think they know all there is to know about running an NFL franchise. i'm not even saying the Texans can do no wrong. i truly believe they do everything they think is best for the team in the long run. and as bad as those decisions seem to be recently, i stick with them. when it's starts going good, it'll feel that much better.

The Cat

03-14-2007, 10:11 AM

lol. so true. they get ONE pick right (which really still remains to be seen) and think they know all there is to know about running an NFL franchise.

Agreed. What's funny is the logic, or lack thereof, in the proclamations. In many cases, when someone refers to the Texans excellent draft as a whole last year, VinceFan/TexanHater is quick to point out that you can't really judge a draft until after 3 or 4 years and thus it's too soon to give the Texans credit. However, in the same breath, they've already determined that Mario Williams is a bust and Vince Young is destined for the Hall of Fame and that the Titans are a lock to make the playoffs and contend for the Super Bowl for 10 years, right up there with the Colts. :confused:

The Cat

03-14-2007, 10:15 AM

i hate college football OT. it reminds me of a shootout in soccer. i'd rather deal with a coin flip. don't wanna lose? stop the other team.

You don't necessarily have to go to college OT. There are alternatives. Perhaps make it where both teams get one possession, and if it's still tied, go to sudden death. That makes it where a defense only has to keep a team out of the end zone to give the offense a chance to win, instead of hold them to 30 yards and under. It also gives you the chance to go for two if you're really desperate to avoid sudden death, etc.

The system as it's set up now is silly. It's too easy, especially for teams with great quarterbacks and great offenses. If the Colts get the ball to start an overtime, it's game over. It shouldn't be as simple as it is in many cases, which is win a coin toss and immediately win the game. Make the catalyst something on the field.

MR. MEOWGI

03-14-2007, 10:29 AM

You don't necessarily have to go to college OT. There are alternatives. Perhaps make it where both teams get one possession, and if it's still tied, go to sudden death. That makes it where a defense only has to keep a team out of the end zone to give the offense a chance to win, instead of hold them to 30 yards and under. It also gives you the chance to go for two if you're really desperate to avoid sudden death, etc.

The system as it's set up now is silly. It's too easy, especially for teams with great quarterbacks and great offenses. If the Colts get the ball to start an overtime, it's game over. It shouldn't be as simple as it is in many cases, which is win a coin toss and immediately win the game. Make the catalyst something on the field.

I'm telling yall that home team should get to decide who gets the ball (at the start of games and overtimes). That way all teams have equal say over the season and it is earned in the playoffs.

One team could lose or win the coin flip all year. Leave nothing to chance.

Now the Superbowl, I dont know...

KingCheetah

03-14-2007, 01:18 PM

I hate college overtime for some reason -- the NFL coin flip isn't much better.

They should change it from sudden death so that the other team gets at least one opportunity to tie or win. You'd obviously have to tweak a lot of little rules, but ya'll catch my drift.

SamFisher

03-14-2007, 01:24 PM

lol. so true. they get ONE pick right (which really still remains to be seen) and think they know all there is to know about running an NFL franchise. i'm not even saying the Texans can do no wrong. i truly believe they do everything they think is best for the team in the long run. and as bad as those decisions seem to be recently, i stick with them. when it's starts going good, it'll feel that much better.

It has nothing to do with one pick, but one pick in the context of 6 years of failure. The texans have been one of the worst franchises in NFL history by any standard, have a history of bonehead moves, and managed to do it stultifyingly boring fashion. They're not even lovable losers like the Cubs. And this has been against the backdrop of an era in the NFL when teams are able to retool and rebuild more quickly than in previous decades.

Of course people criticize them. It's not like somebody second guessing JVG when we lose to Phoenix and have to settle for a 51 win season. The Texans have earned their place as whipping boys. Football fans in Houston waited a long time (and pay a lot of money) for the NFL and their returns thus far are unsatisfying, to put it kindly.

Ric

03-14-2007, 01:37 PM

The texans have been one of the worst franchises in NFL history by any standard
they're certainly the worst expansion franchise since the merger, but they're not even the worst franchise in the history of houston; the early 70s and 80s oilers were far worse and for much longer periods.

i don't even think they're the worse franchise in football right now - would you trade the texans for oakland or detroit?

not that there's any pride in any of this, but the hyperbole...

DaDakota

03-14-2007, 01:56 PM

I like the Fifa overtime rules....

First you play 2 small halves, then if you are still tied you go to a shootout.....

Well, I like everything until the shootout bit.
:D

DD

SamFisher

03-14-2007, 02:05 PM

they're certainly the worst expansion franchise since the merger, but they're not even the worst franchise in the history of houston; the early 70s and 80s oilers were far worse and for much longer periods.

i don't even think they're the worse franchise in football right now - would you trade the texans for oakland or detroit?

not that there's any pride in any of this, but the hyperbole...

I'm talking about the totality of their history. At the very least other moribund franchises have past glory or character or whatever you want to call it. Even other johnny come-lately sad sack franchises like the Buccaneers, who were awful throughout most of their early history, had some early playoff appearances to brag about with the first first few years. They gave their fans something. The Texans have yet to do that, with the exception of the first game.

It is not the texans fault for being born late, but it is their problem when they have pretty much treaded water since.

Ric

03-14-2007, 02:19 PM

I'm talking about the totality of their history. At the very least other moribund franchises have past glory or character or whatever you want to call it.
and that's because other franchises have a track record longer than five seasons. look, i'm not defending the team or its history; just combating the ever-present hyperbole - it's tiresome.

pgabriel

03-14-2007, 02:28 PM

ima_drummer2k

03-14-2007, 02:34 PM

The texans have been one of the worst franchises in NFL history by any standard, have a history of bonehead moves, and managed to do it stultifyingly boring fashion.
I agree and I think some heads should roll because of it, starting with Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers.

Seriously, maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm pretty excited to see where this team is going to be in another year or two. I know that's not a very popular opinion around here and probably sounds pretty silly until they start winning, but I do think sacking Casserly and Capers was a HUGE step in the right direction.

I guess my feelings as a Texan fan can be summed up with a line from Lou Mannheim, portrayed brilliantly by famous character actor Hal Holbrook in the 1987 smash hit Wall Street:

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss."

SamFisher

03-14-2007, 02:40 PM

and that's because other franchises have a track record longer than five seasons. look, i'm not defending the team or its history; just combating the ever-present hyperbole - it's tiresome.
No, that's a cop out.

Even modern expansion franchises - the Seahawks, the Bucs, the new Browns, the Jags, the Panthers - managed to give their fans something to cheer about with a playoff shot or two within their first five seasons. [EDIT: scratch that, the Seahawks did not make the playoffs in the first 5 but did manage to put together back to back 9-7 seasons in year 3 and 4)

Even by that low standard, the Texans are the bottom of the barrel. And people have a right to be upset about that, because they reallly do deserve better.

updawg

03-14-2007, 02:50 PM

but the Texans have a badass stadium

tinman

03-14-2007, 02:53 PM

but the Texans have a badass stadium
the Rockets have a HD scoreboard and better food.

Then again it is TOYOTA CENTER, Toyota is known for great reliability, technology and great quality

The Texans play in Reliant Stadium, a company known to screw the public with high prices and not add any additional service.

Ric

03-14-2007, 02:54 PM

like david carr has had to play with like the worst team in nfl history.
exactly - who's EVER said this?

Even by that low standard, the Texans are the bottom of the barrel. And people have a right to be upset about that, because they reallly do deserve better.
i've already posted (often, for instance earlier in this thread) that they're the worst expansion franchise since the 1970 merger.

i guess we're splitting hairs, here - one of the worst franchises in NFL history...? no, not yet. 3-4 more years of this kind of futility? absolutely. but not currently.

Groogrux

03-14-2007, 02:55 PM

like david carr has had to play with like the worst team in nfl history. I know the hyperbole is tiresome.

That's funny because that's pretty much what SamFisher is saying.

SamFisher

03-14-2007, 02:56 PM

That's funny because that's pretty much what SamFisher is saying.

No that's not what I'm saying. Unlike some I fully recognize David Carr's role in helping to make the Texans the worst team in the modern era.

absolutely. but not currently.

Well through 5 years they're worse than all other expansion franchises, at least in terms of giving their fans something to cheer about such as a playoff season, or a winning season.

That sure sounds like "currently" to me.

Ric

03-14-2007, 03:19 PM

Well through 5 years they're worse than all other expansion franchises, at least in terms of giving their fans something to cheer about such as a playoff season, or a winning season.
i guess we'll agree to disagree. the nfl landscape is littered with teams that endured much longer streaks of futility. averaging 5 wins a year, while not good by any measure, is not, by any stretch, a qualification for worst ever.

again, it's not even the worst houston franchise ever. the oilers were 9-45-2 over a four-year stretch beginning in 1970, including an 18-game losing streak and back-to-back 1-13 seasons. incredibly, over a 29-game stretch during those 4 years, they lost 28. between 1982 and 1985, they were 11-46 with a 17-game losing streak.

pgabriel

03-14-2007, 03:21 PM

That's funny because that's pretty much what SamFisher is saying.

I don't care what samfisher is saying. pgabriel is saying everyone uses hyperbole to make their argument, so to sit here and say you're tired of the hyperbole when you've said the offensive line is one of the worst in history and the other players around carr is, is ridiculous. especially to now back up an argument saying that the team is the worst.

now that's funny.

Groogrux

03-14-2007, 03:23 PM

I don't care what samfisher is saying. pgabriel is saying everyone uses hyperbole to make their argument, so to sit here and say you're tired of the hyperbole when you've said the offensive line is one of the worst in history and the other players around carr is, is ridiculous. especially to now back up an argument saying that the team is not one of the worst.

now that's funny.

I believe that was my first post in this argument.

And yeah, what am I smoking to believe that an OL that allowed a QB to be sacked more than any QB ever has in one season could be considered one of the worst ever?

SamFisher

03-14-2007, 03:25 PM

i guess we'll agree to disagree. the nfl landscape is littered with teams that endured much longer streaks of futility. averaging 5 wins a year, while not good by any measure, is not, by any stretch, a qualification for worst ever.

Yes but those teams had previously given their fans something to hang their hat on.

LIke I said, it's not the texans fault that they have no history, but it is their problem - and a problem that tehy have done nothing to fix.

again, it's not even the worst houston franchise ever. the oilers were 9-45-2 over a four-year stretch beginning in 1970, including an 18-game losing streak and back-to-back 1-13 seasons. incredibly, over a 29-game stretch during those 4 years, they lost 28. between 1982 and 1985, they were 11-46 with a 17-game losing streak.

While the numbers look better, I don't see that much difference from a fan perspective between a 1-13 season and a 6-10 season. At the end of the day you both are also rans and not close ones at that.

And the problem is that the Texans ahve nothing but suck to show for their existence - again, this is worse than any other modern expansion team.

pgabriel

03-14-2007, 03:26 PM

I believe that was my first post in this argument.

And yeah, what am I smoking to believe that an OL that allowed a QB to be sacked more than any QB ever has in one season could be considered one of the worst ever?

you're smoking out of the hyperbowl.

updawg

03-14-2007, 03:29 PM

While the numbers look better, I don't see that much difference from a fan perspective between a 1-13 season and a 6-10 season. At the end of the day you both are also rans and not close ones at that.

with a 6-10 record you can say you were 2 wins away from .500. or if you only won twice the year before, you can say you tripled your wins

SwoLy-D

03-14-2007, 03:42 PM

Can everyone just STFU and give Gummi Clutch his F*CK*NG animated .GIF? :mad:

Groogrux

03-14-2007, 03:44 PM

you're smoking out of the hyperbowl.

And it tastes soooooo good. :cool:

Groogrux

03-14-2007, 03:47 PM

LIke I said, it's not the texans fault that they have no history, but it is their problem - and a problem that tehy have done nothing to fix.

They've done nothing to fix? Crazy, I had this weird dream that they fired the previous GM and hired a new one. Same with the coaching staff. Weird.

pgabs,

Now that's hyperbole.

ima_drummer2k

03-14-2007, 04:00 PM

And it tastes soooooo good. :cool:
Some people do....some people don't.

SamFisher

03-14-2007, 04:03 PM

They've done nothing to fix? Crazy, I had this weird dream that they fired the previous GM and hired a new one. Same with the coaching staff. Weird.

pgabs,

Now that's hyperbole.

I meant "Done nothing" in terms of producing a good season or even being halfway interesting.