[NFL Network] Texans sign Ahman Green

[rikesh316]

Just saw it on NFL Network.

[rikesh316]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[The Cat]

Ahman, not Ahmen.

In any event, great signing. I preferred him to Henry, whose numbers were inflated by the threat of Vince running the ball. Green still has excellent breakaway speed, and is a good receiver out of the backfield, something that's quite useful in this offense.

[baller4life315]

I guess this means you guys are passing on Adrian Peterson, then?

[The Cat]

I guess this means you guys are passing on Adrian Peterson, then?

First, the odds that Peterson falls to 8 are incredibly remote. It seems Cleveland's pretty set on him at 3. Second, Green is 30. Even though he's still in excellent shape and hasn't lost a step, logic tells you he only has two or three peak seasons left, max. So, if by some miracle Peterson falls to 8, you still take him and use him as part of a two-back system. Same situation in New Orleans with Deuce McAllister when they took Bush.

[RocketFan007]

I guess this means you guys are passing on Adrian Peterson, then?

There's very little chance that he'll be there at #8, but if he's sitting there, I don't think a 30 year RB is going to keep us from drafting him.

[H-Town Info]

Green, 30, is signing a four-year contract worth $22 million, including $6.5 million in guarantees.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4601378.html

[The Cat]

Green, 30, is signing a four-year contract worth $22 million, including $6.5 million in guarantees.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4601378.html

Before anyone unfamiliar with the salary cap says anything, all that matters in the NFL is guaranteed money. This is not a guaranteed deal for four years.

[percicles]

But the 6.5 is. Horrible signing of another Greenbay reject.

[baller4life315]

There's very little chance that he'll be there at #8, but if he's sitting there, I don't think a 30 year RB is going to keep us from drafting him.

I just say that because these mock drafts have Peterson all over the board. I know how well he did at the combines so logic tells you he likely won't fall that far but all I was saying was if he did would you still take him?

I'm not a Texans fan and was just curious....you seem to have answered my question for me.

[The Cat]

But the 6.5 is. Horrible signing of another Greenbay reject.

Green Bay reject? I'm not even sure what to say. Every free agent in the history of sports could technically be considered a reject of their previous team. Nate Clements was a reject too - does that make him a bad signing?

Green has rushed for 1,000 yards or more and 4.0 YPC or more in six of his past seven seasons, the only exception when he went down with a knee injury two years ago. He's an excellent receiver out of the backfield, with 46 catches for more than 8 YPC last season. He's still hasn't lost a step, by most reports.

Every report had the Packers trying to resign him, and they're now desperate to find another RB. We simply offered a better deal and he chose to come here. What's the problem?

[The Real Shady]

But the 6.5 is. Horrible signing of another Greenbay reject.

6.5 spread over 4 years is not that bad. We still paid a lot for him though.

[Enron]

Good sign, but considering his recent injuries, I'd say 4 years is way too long of a contract.

[H-Town Info]

he won't see 4 years here. i'll say 3 at max and it'll be a cap savings when the texans cut him with 1 year left

[DonnyMost]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/e/9/8e9f2e115c342d7b844604d72547be9e.jpg

[Achilleus]

http://2001ifl.homestead.com/files/Green_Ahman.jpg

[askball]

Good signing. Regarding the 6.5 over 4, the Texans are going to have to overpay to get free agents to come to Houston until the Texans become a winner.

[The Cat]

he won't see 4 years here. i'll say 3 at max and it'll be a cap savings when the texans cut him with 1 year left

The same is true with almost every contract given in free agency, though. I'd estimate less than 10 percent of the contracts given out in these next few days will actually make it their entire duration. That's why the $80 million, 8 year figure for Clements is so irrelevant.

[JuLiO-R-]

As long as the Houston Bay Broncos have a better season I'll be happy.

[Achilleus]

Green has rushed for over 1,000 yards in six of the last seven seasons. The one he didnt was because of his injury. The guy is consistent.

[pradaxpimp]

http://2001ifl.homestead.com/files/Green_Ahman.jpg

i can't believe he would just shove his teammate out of the way like that.

I question the character of this Ahman Green.

[H-Town Info]

and if carr is still here, u can dink and dunk passes to green (very good receiver for a RB and especially on screens). He won't miss DD/DW now

[Achilleus]

Every report had the Packers trying to resign him, and they're now desperate to find another RB. We simply offered a better deal and he chose to come here. What's the problem?

The Broncos also wanted him.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5392869,00.html

[kaleidosky]

this is a hell of a signing imo. very happy, and he was the one i hoped for also ahead of henry

[thegreatakbar]

I have always like Green, its great we are going to have this guy play for us!

[rezdawg]

How is 6.5 over 4 years too much for a starting running back?

If Green is healthy, thats a hell of a deal.

[trifecta333]

Now that we have a legit running back, its obvious that there will be no trade up to get Adrian Peterson or to reach and take Marshawn Lynch. Odds right now look as if we are planning on getting a Qb, most likely Brady Quinn whose seen his stock fall a little. If we aren't planning on getting Quinn we could and should make a small reach and get Levi Brown to help fix the O-line. Others say get Ted Ginn Jr. but I really don't think we need to blow a pick on him when there is likely to be a Wide Out that slips into the second round, possibly Robert Meachem, Sidney Rice, or Dwayne Bowe. Any of those three could really help solidify the #2 WR spot. If we choose a player on defense I definately think we should grab Laron Landry.

[H-Town Info]

Now i would go after Quinn/Defensive player (Landry/Okoye/Branch/Anderson/Adams in that order) and draft 2nd round either Joe Staley or Anthony Gonzalez for the #2 WR (he's going be a great pro. he runs the best and accurate routes i have ever seen a player coming out of college). 3rd round go after Kolb/Troy Smith if a defensive player is chosen, find another O-Lineman if Gonzalez is chosen, or best defensive player if Quinn is picked in the 1st round.

[Bobblehead]

So what happens to Chris Taylor? I thought that guy had some skills.

I guess we can officially say Dominick Williams will be cut.
I think Ron Dayne will also be gone. Unless he becomes a 3rd down back.
Wali Lundy will probably become a third stringer.

Maybe it will be a Green-Taylor combo in the backfield.

Then again is Peterson is available????

[rezdawg]

So what happens to Chris Taylor? I thought that guy had some skills.

I guess we can officially say Dominick Williams will be cut.
I think Ron Dayne will also be gone. Unless he becomes a 3rd down back.
Wali Lundy will probably become a third stringer.

Maybe it will be a Green-Taylor combo in the backfield.

Then again is Peterson is available????

I agree...I think our 3 RB's will be Green, Taylor, and Lundy.

If Peterson slips to us, then we gotta take him...that probably wont happen, so Im thinking all defense here. Landry would make me happy. A little trade down for Hall would do me good too.

[Drewdog]

Nice signing! Even though he only has a few years left in the tank, Green as others have said has been ROCK SOLID throughout his career.

[Achilleus]

This article says the Texans are trying to resign Ron Dayne.

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4601378.html

March 4, 2007, 6:07PM
Texans sign running back Ahman Green


By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle


The Texans have reached an agreement with their first free agent Green Bay running back Ahman Green.

Green, 30, is signing a four-year contract worth $23 million, including $6.5 million in guarantees.

Green has been one of the most productive running backs in the NFL for the past seven years.

The former Nebraska running back enjoyed his five best seasons (2000-2004) when Mike Sherman was the Packers head coach. During that period, he never rushed for fewer than 1,163 yards. His best season was 2003 when he rushed for 1,883 yards and scored 20 touchdowns.

Green immediately becomes the starter, from a group that includes Wali Lundy, Chris Taylor and Samkon Gado.

The Texans are trying to resign Ron Dayne.

Green, a No. 1 pick by Seattle in 1998, is a ten-year veteran, who rushed for 1,059 yards and scored six touchdowns last season.

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him.

"We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versaility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

The Texans have set up visits with three more unrestricted free agents for this week: linebacker Danny Clark, defensive tackle James Reed and quarterback Patrick Ramsay.

[The Cat]

The Texans have set up visits with three more unrestricted free agents for this week: linebacker Danny Clark, defensive tackle James Reed and quarterback Patrick Ramsay.

moes, thoughts on Clark? I don't know anything about him, other than the numbers.

[Major]

How is 6.5 over 4 years too much for a starting running back?

If Green is healthy, thats a hell of a deal.

It's not 6.5 over 4 years. It's 6.5 guaranteed, no matter how long he's here. If he's here for 4 years, it's closer to $22MM though (depending on how much is incentives). But the reality is he won't be here for 4 years. Like Travis Henry and his $8.5 MM roster bonus this year or Steve McNair and his absurd $17MM roster bonus last year, there's likely some dumb clause in there that no team in their right mind will exercise and he'll be cut after 2 or 3 years. So really, we have no idea how much actual money this deal is yet if Green were to perform. All we know is that it's a minimum of $6.5MM.

All that said, this is definitely a good signing if the dude can stay healthy. He's a proven back, which this franchise hasn't really had yet.

[rezdawg]

It's not 6.5 over 4 years. It's 6.5 guaranteed, no matter how long he's here. If he's here for 4 years, it's closer to $22MM though (depending on how much is incentives). But the reality is he won't be here for 4 years. Like Travis Henry and his $8.5 MM roster bonus this year or Steve McNair and his absurd $17MM roster bonus last year, there's likely some dumb clause in there that no team in their right mind will exercise and he'll be cut after 2 or 3 years. So really, we have no idea how much actual money this deal is yet if Green were to perform. All we know is that it's a minimum of $6.5MM.

All that said, this is definitely a good signing if the dude can stay healthy. He's a proven back, which this franchise hasn't really had yet.

In the NFL, all that matters is guaranteed money...meaning, worst case scenario, we have to eat up 6.5 million over 4 years if he sucks balls immediately. Thats a nice deal. If he pans out, then who cares if we are paying him 5+ mil a year? All Im worried about is the money that we have to pay him.

[Groogrux]

I like it. Intrigued by Ramsey coming to visit as well.

[Lil Francis]

Nice pickup by the Texans. Now get a #2 wideout and draft Quinn :D

[HillBoy]

Every report had the Packers trying to resign him, and they're now desperate to find another RB. We simply offered a better deal and he chose to come here. What's the problem?
The "problem" is that the Texans have gone out and found themselves a running back alright - one who is merely marginially better than what they already had on the roster. And they paid real money for him too! I can hardly contain my optimism for the upcoming season...

[mogrod]

Good signing.

They know Peterson is not dropping to them and, despite reports and internet assumption, they are not going to trade up (they want more picks, not less).

They now have Lundy coming into his second year, showed flashes of being a decent back last season; Taylor who I've read the coaches love and, albiet one game, showed he can be a hell of a back; and now Green who, when healthy, is a damn good, productive back.

Denver has run 2-3 back systems plenty of times and it looks like that is what the Texans are going to do since they are not going to be able to get a star RB this year.

They now have three guys, each with their different styles, who could have a great game at any given time.

[Groogrux]

The "problem" is that the Texans have gone out and found themselves a running back alright - one who is merely marginially better than what they already had on the roster. And they paid real money for him too! I can hardly contain my optimism for the upcoming season...

This is just straight up negativity. Ahman Green, he of six 1,000 rushing yard seasons in the past seven years is "merely marginally better" than what the Texans trotted out there last season? Puhlease.

[moestavern19]

moes, thoughts on Clark? I don't know anything about him, other than the numbers.


Danny Clark is a good Linebacker. Very high energy guy, gets the motor running and sometimes doesn't stop... which can be good or bad. He was a special teams maven in Jacksonville and a decent MLB In Oakland. He has limits in Pass Coverage however, which prompted us to draft Kirk Morrison (Ironically with the pick we received from the Texans for Burnt Toast Buchanon) and he won the job over Clark in training camp.

Danny's a good guy though, He's a vocal leader, not afraid to speak his mind. Good locker room guy, plays like theres no tomorrow.

[Major]

Ahman Green, he of six 1,000 rushing yard seasons in the past seven years is "merely marginally better" than what the Texans trotted out there last season? Puhlease.

Based on the Carr = Plummer logic, the above could make sense. :)

[Aceshigh7]

I hope they do re-sign the Great Dayne. He showed what he is capable of last season when he gets the carries and i've always liked him.

[rhino17]

I'd rather have travis henry

[Groogrux]

Based on the Carr = Plummer logic, the above could make sense. :)

Of course, Ahman Green didn't have five seasons of stats worse than Ron Dayne's on a crappy team. :)

[Lil Francis]

I'd rather have travis henryI agree. If Henry signs with the Broncos he may go for 1,500 yds next season. I dont think the Texans had the money to get a player like that.

[Storm Surge]

holy crap, don't know how much green has left though, but this guy was a pro bowl type player.

[Achilleus]

holy crap, don't know how much green has left though, but this guy was a pro bowl type player.

I'm going to say he has two more 1,000+ yard seasons. Four seasons ago he had 1883 yards and 15 touchdowns.

[RocketJedi]

Seems good enough for me. He signed a deal that was the same total as the one signed by Fred Tayor in Jacksonville a couple of days ago. However, Green is a year younger and has a bit less tread on the proverbial tire than Taylor. He has the breakaway speed that no back on this team in the past has had.

[tinman]

This is just straight up negativity. Ahman Green, he of six 1,000 rushing yard seasons in the past seven years is "merely marginally better" than what the Texans trotted out there last season? Puhlease.
i'll add that Ahman Green is a good fantasy player too.

[The Cat]

I agree. If Henry signs with the Broncos he may go for 1,500 yds next season. I dont think the Texans had the money to get a player like that.

I doubt that. Green is a safer bet than Henry.

Henry's YPC in 2004: 3.5
Henry's YPC in 2005: 3.8
Henry's YPC in 2006 before VY: 2.7

Then, with Vince Young in there, he suddenly shoots to 4.7 YPC for the remainder of the season. Did he suddenly turn into a stud? I'm not buying it. I'm buying that VY makes linebackers and defensive ends a step slow, because they're afraid he's going to keep the ball himself and go around the end. Look at how much the Texas running backs and offensive linemen struggled last season relative to expectations.

Furthermore, Green is a much better receiver... he had 46 catches at more than 8 YPC, with Henry at 13 catches for 4 YPC. Henry may be younger, but Green's the safer buy in FA. I'm afraid he's destined for a huge fall without VY.

[A_3PO]

No way Adrian Peterson will be there at #8, so forget about him. This is a good signing for the Texans and I see no downside to it. Green will give them 2-3 productive years and you can't ask any more than that for what they paid.

Their most important move will be at QB. Still waiting on that one.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

No way Adrian Peterson will be there at #8, so forget about him. This is a good signing for the Texans and I see no downside to it. Green will give them 2-3 productive years and you can't ask any more than that for what they paid.

Their most important move will be at QB. Still waiting on that one.
I'm having a feeling that it will either be :

Quinn in the first, OL in the second

or

OL in the first, Stanton in the second


Then, giving Carr half the year to improve behind a (hopefully) improved OL before starting the rookie (if he doesn't improve).

[A_3PO]

I'm having a feeling that it will either be :

Quinn in the first, OL in the second

or

OL in the first, Stanton in the second


Then, giving Carr half the year to improve behind a (hopefully) improved OL before starting the rookie (if he doesn't improve).
I'll say this one more time: My son calls Brady Quinn "The Faker" and I halfway agree with him. And on Stanton, I just cannot forget the Notre Dame game. I've never seen a QB choke that bad ever in my life. 2 interceptions in the last 5 minutes to blow the game and a Notre Dame DB dropped a 3rd one right in his hands. Complete and utter self-destruction. Stanton doesn't have what it takes "upstairs" IMO. Of course, if the Texans draft, him he'll become my favorite QB in the NFL after Vince & Peyton.

If forced to choose, take Stanton in the 2nd or 3rd round and skip Quinn. Our #8 pick MUST be an impact player and Quinn didn't impress me this year at all.

[Lil Francis]

I doubt that. Green is a safer bet than Henry.

Henry's YPC in 2004: 3.5
Henry's YPC in 2005: 3.8
Henry's YPC in 2006 before VY: 2.7

Then, with Vince Young in there, he suddenly shoots to 4.7 YPC for the remainder of the season. Did he suddenly turn into a stud? I'm not buying it. I'm buying that VY makes linebackers and defensive ends a step slow, because they're afraid he's going to keep the ball himself and go around the end. Look at how much the Texas running backs and offensive linemen struggled last season relative to expectations.

Furthermore, Green is a much better receiver... he had 46 catches at more than 8 YPC, with Henry at 13 catches for 4 YPC. Henry may be younger, but Green's the safer buy in FA. I'm afraid he's destined for a huge fall without VY.Yea but he was injured in those seasons. Last season he had 1211 yds 4.5 ypc and missed 2 games. If he signs with Denver and stays healthy then youcan pencil him in for atleast 1,400yds in that system.Last time he played a full season was 2002 he had 1,438yds 13td and 4.4 ypc. Green is a great f.a. pickup but right now Henry is a better back.

[The Cat]

I agree that when healthy Henry is really good; my concern, though, is that he seems to be prone to nagging injuries. Other than the one serious knee injury in 2005, Green has been really durable, while Henry's been prone to a number of things. I don't disagree that he has big potential, but he's risky.

[Major]

Last time he played a full season was 2002 he had 1,438yds 13td and 4.4 ypc. Green is a great f.a. pickup but right now Henry is a better back.

:confused: Last time Green played a full healthy season (2003), he had 1800 yards and a 5.5 YPC average and 15 TDs (to 10 for Henry).

[Lil Francis]

I agree that when healthy Henry is really good; my concern, though, is that he seems to be prone to nagging injuries. Other than the one serious knee injury in 2005, Green has been really durable, while Henry's been prone to a number of things. I don't disagree that he has big potential, but he's risky.Yea im hoping Green can give us 1,200 this season. Might be asking for alot but its possible.

[leebigez]

I've been saying this for a minute, connect the dots with the two main guys we have in Kubiak and Sherman. Green is a good signing because he never has to leave the field, Lundy or taylor can continue to develop and get 175 carries or so and even in 3yrs when Green may not have a lot left, he can be the 3rd down back for you. I like the carries he had last yrs with 270, give lundy or the other guy 180 and the 3rd guy gets 100. Thats about 550 which is what the denver running game would average. To make it just as good would b to get some defensive players that can get the opponnets off the field. Thats why i like Okoye at 8. In the 2nd rd i also like the best db or lb whether its merriweather,hughes,tanard jackson or Rufus alexander.

[kaleidosky]

pleeease no patrick ramsey! if you're giving up on carr...then he's another carr...got the talent/the arm, no presence, can't lead a team, can't win.

(I haven't given up 100% on carr, though I'm close... but I'm just saying if you have, then you wouldn't want ramsey imo.)

[hatemavs4life]

pleeease no patrick ramsey! if you're giving up on carr...then he's another carr...got the talent/the arm, no presence, can't lead a team, can't win.

(I haven't given up 100% on carr, though I'm close... but I'm just saying if you have, then you wouldn't want ramsey imo.)

Don't remember much about Ramsey but, hasn't he been about as successful as Tim Couch was? Errr ... DC. With DC, you get cursed for life.

[HillBoy]

This is just straight up negativity. Ahman Green, he of six 1,000 rushing yard seasons in the past seven years is "merely marginally better" than what the Texans trotted out there last season? Puhlease.
Oh forchrissakes! Look if you actually think this guy is the answer to their running game problems, then more power to you. But when I see them continually go after NFL retreads like Dayne, Green and Leslie, I have to question if they've gone out and hired Carroll Dawson to scout personnel because it certainly looks like they have adopted his philosophy here.

Green represents an upgrade over Dominick Williams & Dayne but only a slight one. He's slow and on the wrong side of 30. Sorry but this is not the gamebreaker they need to take some of the heat off David Carr (who looks to be the 2007 starting QB). Now if they wanted to get a difference making running back, Willis McGahee has worn out his welcome in Buffalo and desperately wants out of the cold. Last I heard, he was on the block and would be a great fit in Kubiak's offense but you're right: It's so much better to go after ex-Packers in order to keep Mike Sherman happy. I really like reading your posts RM95 but we simply don't agree on this move.

[Achilleus]

He's slow and on the wrong side of 30.

He'll be exactly 30 in 12 days.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12404

[A_3PO]

Oh forchrissakes! Look if you actually think this guy is the answer to their running game problems, then more power to you. But when I see them continually go after NFL retreads like Dayne, Green and Leslie, I have to question if they've gone out and hired Carroll Dawson to scout personnel because it certainly looks like they have adopted his philosophy here.

Green represents an upgrade over Dominick Williams & Dayne but only a slight one. He's slow and on the wrong side of 30. Sorry but this is not the gamebreaker they need to take some of the heat off David Carr (who looks to be the 2007 starting QB). Now if they wanted to get a difference making running back, Willis McGahee has worn out his welcome in Buffalo and desperately wants out of the cold. Last I heard, he was on the block and would be a great fit in Kubiak's offense but you're right: It's so much better to go after ex-Packers in order to keep Mike Sherman happy. I really like reading your posts RM95 but we simply don't agree on this move.
I wouldn't touch McGahee. Very overrated and could also be on the downside. If the Texans got one good year from him he would hold out and demand a huge signing bonus. Green is just as good and isn't a selfish jerk who thinks he's an all-time great. Plus the Texans gave up NOTHING to sign him because he was a free agent.

[rhester]

Hey if you're a bottom dweller team with a lot of holes to fill then Green is an addition who might be worth the gamble for a season. Maybe not. Better than Dayne IMHO.

That certainly isn't a splash, but they couldn't make a SPLASH with their cap situation.

They really need to have a great draft. Period.
A great draft that does not include Brady Quinn.

This really is the key for me. Do you take Brady Quinn at #8?

Wow- that would be the worst scenario, pass up VY last season to draft Brady Quinn this season. YIKES!

Mel Kiper could have done better. :D

[ima_drummer2k]

Now if they wanted to get a difference making running back, Willis McGahee has worn out his welcome in Buffalo and desperately wants out of the cold. Last I heard, he was on the block and would be a great fit in Kubiak's offense
And who do you think we should give up (that Buffalo would actually want) to get him? Buffalo would want (you guessed it) DRAFT PICKS. Yeah, let's give Buffalo some draft picks for him. That philosopy has worked so well for us in the past. Great idea...

but you're right: It's so much better to go after ex-Packers in order to keep Mike Sherman happy.
I'm sure that's the only reason we got him.

If you think Green is only a "slight upgrade" over Ron freakin' Dayne and Waly Lundy, well, with all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I can't believe there are people who see this as a bad move. These are the people who will NEVER be satisfied.

[stevel]

And who do you think we should give up (that Buffalo would actually want) to get him? Buffalo would want (you guessed it) DRAFT PICKS. Yeah, let's give Buffalo some draft picks for him. That philosopy has worked so well for us in the past. Great idea...


I'm sure that's the only reason we got him.

If you think Green is only a "slight upgrade" over Ron freakin' Dayne and Waly Lundy, well, with all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I can't believe there are people who see this as a bad move. These are the people who will NEVER be satisfied.

Bingo! This is a nice pickup. You need multiple RBs to be effective over 16 game season. Green will be a nice addition. Clark from Oak would also be a nice pickup of for nothing other than improved depth at LB.

[rhester]

I can't believe there are people who see this as a bad move. These are the people who will NEVER be satisfied.

Just to clarify my position (like my opinion means squat)

I think it is a very good sign.

Just need to work hard and make this the best draft ever.

Please get a potentially tremendous playmaker at #8 or wherever they draft first round and get some other solid starters in the draft.

I think Green is a very good fit, if not for this one season.

[ima_drummer2k]

Just to clarify my position (like my opinion means squat)

I think it is a very good sign.

Just need to work hard and make this the best draft ever.

Please get a potentially tremendous playmaker at #8 or wherever they draft first round and get some other solid starters in the draft.

I think Green is a very good fit, if not for this one season.
I gotcha, I was mostly referring to the Grim Reaper....er, uh....HillBoy. (I'm just messing with you, HB).

BTW, I heard McClain on 610 this moring saying that the Texans brass are DONE trading draft picks for players. NO MAS. To me, this is a good indication that things are looking up for this franchise.

[HillBoy]

And who do you think we should give up (that Buffalo would actually want) to get him? Buffalo would want (you guessed it) DRAFT PICKS. Yeah, let's give Buffalo some draft picks for him. That philosopy has worked so well for us in the past. Great idea...

McGahee was an example of the kind of back I'd like to see them go after. I realize that he's a bit of a head case but his talent speaks for itself. My point here is that he's younger and faster than Green and that's what they (Texans) should have concentrated on. This move reminds me of the same move last season when they got another Green Bay castoff: Samkon Gado. That was also considered a "solid move" and we all know how that turned out as well. This has Mike Sherman written all over it and while that in and of itself, is not a bad thing (coaches go with guys they know), it's not all that great either. Again as I posted earlier to RM95, we'll just have to disagree on this move.

If you think Green is only a "slight upgrade" over Ron freakin' Dayne and Waly Lundy, well, with all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about...I can't believe there are people who see this as a bad move. These are the people who will NEVER be satisfied.
And yes, I stand by my belief that this is a marginal upgrade over what we have had. What Green will do is to finally make the running game actually work more consistently than it did with Dayne & Lundy because he can actually catch passes. Whether that translates into the kind of dramatic improvement that you are hoping to see is up for conjecture. I just don't see him altering the offensive dynamic that dramaticaly. He's not the type of player you'd consider to be an primary offensive threat due to his lack of top-end speed and his age is a real concern to me. However, if by the grace of God Adrian Peterson falls into their lap at #8, then this discussion becomes moot. Don't expect that to happen but it's still possible. Cleveland can still come down with a case of the stupids.

Again, the issue here is not one of satisfaction but skepticism. I'll admit to being skeptical until I start seeing something more substantial than moves like this.

[HillBoy]

I gotcha, I was mostly referring to the Grim Reaper....er, uh....HillBoy. (I'm just messing with you, HB).

BTW, I heard McClain on 610 this moring saying that the Texans brass are DONE trading draft picks for players. NO MAS. To me, this is a good indication that things are looking up for this franchise.
The Texans have $20 million in dead cap money tied up on players no longer here. That is why they are really handicapped in going after the better quality free agents. And it's a good thing that they aren't trading draft picks for players anymore because any team that will trade 2 picks for the likes of Patrick Buchanon has shown that it needs to quit while it's behind.

[kaleidosky]

Don't remember much about Ramsey but, hasn't he been about as successful as Tim Couch was? Errr ... DC. With DC, you get cursed for life.

ugh

as a starter:

02: 2-3 (with the 2 wins coming in the final 2 games of the reg. season...1 being against us...and then the last one of the season. It was Dallas, but still last game)

03: 4-7 (started 2-0 and 3-1...then tailed

04: 3-4 (actually looked decent at times this year.. up and down)



Hasn't started a game since. I got to watch him a lot in '04, plus preseason '05 when he was in competition for the job.. and yeah, like I said, I just don't think he can win. For me, he has less of "it"--whatever "it" is--than Carr

[hatemavs4life]

ugh

as a starter:

02: 2-3 (with the 2 wins coming in the final 2 games of the reg. season...1 being against us...and then the last one of the season. It was Dallas, but still last game)

03: 4-7 (started 2-0 and 3-1...then tailed

04: 3-4 (actually looked decent at times this year.. up and down)



Hasn't started a game since. I got to watch him a lot in '04, plus preseason '05 when he was in competition for the job.. and yeah, like I said, I just don't think he can win. For me, he has less of "it"--whatever "it" is--than Carr

Well, that pretty well explains it then, he sucks! :p Worse than DC. Wow! So who do you think we go for in the draft now that they have gotten Green?

I think of a couple of scenarios ...

1. Do a trade-up with TB to get their #4 pick, Plummer(maybe) for our #8 and maybe some bottom feeder picks and the Texans go and pick CJ! Have to admit CJ with AJ would be a very intriguing combination. Fire and Ice.

2. Do a trade-up with Oakland and we take JaMarcus or CJ or Thomas not likely but hey in one way shape or form we are ALL a little guilty of talking out of our asses. They take DC off our hands. Quick some send some opiates, barbituates, etc. to Coke-land. That's only way that works. Yeah, and some crates of dom perignon. Maybe you could get Ashton Kutcher to do a "you have been punk'd" episode for this. :D

3. Stay at #8 and pick either Ginn/Landry/Okoye/Branch/Quinn.

4. Trade down and load up on picks-another possibility.

One thing is near certain, I think the likelihood of taking AP is now probably slim at best.

What do you think on this? Which scenario do you think is most likely to happen?

[leroy420]

The Texans have $20 million in dead cap money tied up on players no longer here. That is why they are really handicapped in going after the better quality free agents. And it's a good thing that they aren't trading draft picks for players anymore because any team that will trade 2 picks for the likes of Patrick Buchanon has shown that it needs to quit while it's behind.

Which is exactly why this is a better move than trying to trade for McGahee. The Bills want picks...probably first day picks. The Texans need all of those they can get. Green is still a very good rb who fits the system. He played behind what was considered one of the worst lines in the game last season and was still very productive. Yes, he's about to be 30. That doesn't necessarily mean the end. Even so, it's a contract that won't kill the Texans should they decide to part ways in a couple of years.

There really is no bad way to look at this.

[rrj_gamz]

This is a good signing, but I think we still look for AP, if he falls, which I doubt...

[spence99]

Why is it most people always think the Texan signings are good? Heck, I remember everyone here thinking the trade for Buchanon was a great trade at the time. We're overpaying for Green. His best years were 3-4 years ago.

[leroy420]

This is a good signing, but I think we still look for AP, if he falls, which I doubt...

If he's there, the Texans would be stupid to not pick him.

[HillBoy]

Which is exactly why this is a better move than trying to trade for McGahee. The Bills want picks...probably first day picks. The Texans need all of those they can get. Green is still a very good rb who fits the system. He played behind what was considered one of the worst lines in the game last season and was still very productive. Yes, he's about to be 30. That doesn't necessarily mean the end. Even so, it's a contract that won't kill the Texans should they decide to part ways in a couple of years.

There really is no bad way to look at this.
This is at best a sideways move. It remains to be seen if he has the dramatic impact on the offense that you and others believe he will. As I posted earlier, I remain skeptical especially when folks start to rationalize this by pointing to his past productivity at Green Bay whose running game with Green was OK but nothing spectacular. I'd be surprised if he were to last for 2 years. The key point here is what you said: he fits the system.

[msn]

This is at best a sideways move.
While you make great arguments below, it's hard for me to see how, based on even his numbers alone, Green is not a dramatic improvement over Dayne, Lundy, and Gado.

It remains to be seen if he has the dramatic impact on the offense that you and others believe he will. As I posted earlier, I remain skeptical especially when folks start to rationalize this by pointing to his past productivity at Green Bay whose running game with Green was OK but nothing spectacular. I'd be surprised if he were to last for 2 years. The key point here is what you said: he fits the system.

[leroy420]

This is at best a sideways move. It remains to be seen if he has the dramatic impact on the offense that you and others believe he will. As I posted earlier, I remain skeptical especially when folks start to rationalize this by pointing to his past productivity at Green Bay whose running game with Green was OK but nothing spectacular. I'd be surprised if he were to last for 2 years. The key point here is what you said: he fits the system.

1800 yards and 15 td's (+ 367 yds & 5 td's receiving) just a few seasons ago is nothing spectacular? Are you one of those guys who can't date anyone but a super model? Your standards might be a bit high.

[gucci888]

Oh forchrissakes! Look if you actually think this guy is the answer to their running game problems, then more power to you. But when I see them continually go after NFL retreads like Dayne, Green and Leslie, I have to question if they've gone out and hired Carroll Dawson to scout personnel because it certainly looks like they have adopted his philosophy here.

How is Green a retread? He's been one of the top most consistent RBs in the league the past 5 seasons. The fact you put Green's name along w/ Dayne's makes me seriously question your knowledge about NFL football. I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't think you're giving Green nearly enough credit.

Green represents an upgrade over Dominick Williams & Dayne but only a slight one. He's slow and on the wrong side of 30. Sorry but this is not the gamebreaker they need to take some of the heat off David Carr (who looks to be the 2007 starting QB). Now if they wanted to get a difference making running back, Willis McGahee has worn out his welcome in Buffalo and desperately wants out of the cold. Last I heard, he was on the block and would be a great fit in Kubiak's offense but you're right: It's so much better to go after ex-Packers in order to keep Mike Sherman happy. I really like reading your posts RM95 but we simply don't agree on this move.

Like you said, Green is an upgrade over DW and Dayne. Even though you think it's only a slight one, there's a good chance both of those guys won't play for us next season so I think it's a bigger upgrade then you think it is.

McGahee is a good RB, but I didn't want to have to give up picks to get a RB. We got a good RB for a decent price w/o losing picks, I think it's a pretty good move.

I understand that Green is going to be 30 this season, but I don't see how you can call Green a "retread" and McGahee a "difference maker." Despite the age difference, look at last season's stats...

Green: 266 Carries, 1059 yards, 5 TDs, 373 Receiving Yards, 1 TD

McGahee: 259 Carries, 990 yards, 6 TDs, 156 Receiving Yards, 0 TD

[msn]

"Retread" = guys you don't like who come from other teams
"Difference maker" = guys you do like who come from other teams

:D

[MadMax]

1800 yards and 15 td's (+ 367 yds & 5 td's receiving) just a few seasons ago is nothing spectacular? Are you one of those guys who can't date anyone but a super model? Your standards might be a bit high.

i think this is a good move. not a great move, but a good one. i have no problem with it at all, and see it as a nice step.

but throwing out a running back's stats from 3 years ago is usually not the best indication of what you can expect from him when he turns 30.

i really wish we could have acquired a receiver.

[msn]

i really wish we could have acquired a receiver.
The offseason is still young!

[Groogrux]

i really wish we could have acquired a receiver.

March 5, 2007.

[speedball]

this will be nice when we get a healthy, consistant O line in place. right now, he will be running for his life--but he can run for his life better than anyone else we have at RB.

[Groogrux]

this will be nice when we get a healthy, consistant O line in place. right now, he will be running for his life--but he can run for his life better than anyone else we have at RB.

As bad as our OL has been over the years, we've had a decent level of success at the running game. The last five games or so of last year was good as well.

[MadMax]

March 5, 2007.

who else is left?

i think Joe Horn is out there. but i can't see the Texans bringing him in.

i'm not sure it made sense to cut moulds when there seem to be so few receivers on the market of note.

[Achilleus]

who else is left?

i think Joe Horn is out there. but i can't see the Texans bringing him in.

i'm not sure it made sense to cut moulds when there seem to be so few receivers on the market of note.


There are like eight good ( a couple potentially great) receivers in the draft.

[MadMax]

There are like eight good ( a couple potentially great) receivers in the draft.

yeah, and i was hoping they wouldn't have to use a first day pick on a receiver.

[Groogrux]

who else is left?

i think Joe Horn is out there. but i can't see the Texans bringing him in.

i'm not sure it made sense to cut moulds when there seem to be so few receivers on the market of note.

In the next six months, there's a good chance that there will be WRs available via trade or more cuts that we haven't heard about yet. It's way too soon to start panicking.

[rezdawg]

Couple notes...

First, Green being 30 isnt the end of the world. Warrick Dunn is a couple years older...Fred Taylor is older...both backs are still very productive.

Second, McGahee sucks. Ive had him on my fantasy team 2 years in a row and have watched many, many games of his as a result. The guy is frustrating as hell. I dont think he would be any good in Kubiaks system.

[kaleidosky]

who else is left?

i think Joe Horn is out there. but i can't see the Texans bringing him in.

i'm not sure it made sense to cut moulds when there seem to be so few receivers on the market of note.

I'm a fan of Wes Welker, but I hear he's looking at the Pats.. if they can somehow trade for Moss, though, he could be an option again

Kevin Curtis is about to be gone--he likely wants to be back with Martz

[kaleidosky]

Couple notes...

First, Green being 30 isnt the end of the world. Warrick Dunn is a couple years older...Fred Taylor is older...both backs are still very productive.

Second, McGahee sucks. Ive had him on my fantasy team 2 years in a row and have watched many, many games of his as a result. The guy is frustrating as hell. I dont think he would be any good in Kubiaks system.

I agree, McGahee is overrated somewhat.

Dunn has been getting only 60-70% of the carries most years due to Vick, Duckett, Norwood, etc... so his age doesn't reflect the same way.

Taylor got the benefit of Jones-Drew this year at least, but he got over his injury problem before that somehow. If Green can go through the same thing Taylor did, that'll be great

[gucci888]

who else is left?

i think Joe Horn is out there. but i can't see the Texans bringing him in.

i'm not sure it made sense to cut moulds when there seem to be so few receivers on the market of note.

Like RM95 posted, it's still really early, trades really haven't started happening all that much and more cuts are sure to come.

Guys like Horn and Lelie are available, Antonio Bryant is also rumored to be a suitor for the Texans. I didn't like releasing Moulds, but we did pick him out of almost nowhere last season and guys like Stallworth were also available late last summer.

[ima_drummer2k]

Some of you are acting like the Texans signed Green to be their long term franchise RB or something. He has 2 or 3 more years. The Texans know that. No one is saying this guy is turning us into a 2008 SB contender. It's still a good signing because we didn't give anything up for him, unlike in the past.

Cleaning house takes more than 1.1 offseasons.

[Groogrux]

Like RM95 posted, it's still really early, trades really haven't started happening all that much and more cuts are sure to come.

Guys like Horn and Lelie are available, Antonio Bryant is also rumored to be a suitor for the Texans. I didn't like releasing Moulds, but we did pick him out of almost nowhere last season and guys like Stallworth were also available late last summer.

Lelie signed with the Niners.

Wasn't Moulds due a huge pay raise? Is it inconceivable that he could resign?

[Ric]

Wasn't Moulds due a huge pay raise? Is it inconceivable that he could resign?
kubiak stated moulds' release was due to performance issues, not money conerns. also, of course, david carr.

[BMoney]

Brandon Stokely (sp) is expected to be released by the Colts. Does he have anything left after the injuries he's suffered recently?

[speedball]

Brandon Stokely (sp) is expected to be released by the Colts. Does he have anything left after the injuries he's suffered recently?

I think stokley has better stats in reliant stadium than any other reciever--including the texans' recievers!

[OldManBernie]

Brandon Stokely (sp) is expected to be released by the Colts. Does he have anything left after the injuries he's suffered recently?

He ruptured his achilles tendon last year, so he may never be the same athlete again. For the right price, he's probably worth the risk though.

[rhester]

yeah, and i was hoping they wouldn't have to use a first day pick on a receiver.


If David Carr is going to be our starter I'm not sure getting a good receiver is a priority.

Why waste the pick? :D

[leroy420]

i think this is a good move. not a great move, but a good one. i have no problem with it at all, and see it as a nice step.

but throwing out a running back's stats from 3 years ago is usually not the best indication of what you can expect from him when he turns 30.

i really wish we could have acquired a receiver.

This is what I was replying to...

This is at best a sideways move. It remains to be seen if he has the dramatic impact on the offense that you and others believe he will. As I posted earlier, I remain skeptical especially when folks start to rationalize this by pointing to his past productivity at Green Bay whose running game with Green was OK but nothing spectacular. I'd be surprised if he were to last for 2 years. The key point here is what you said: he fits the system.


Maybe I misunderstood, but it looked like he was saying Green had never really done anything "spectacular." I was merely pointing out that he had one of the great seasons by a RB in this decade and was widely considered the best in the game for that period.

I'm not saying he IS going to put up those kind of numbers. I'm just saying that the guy is a very good RB and he has had some fantastic seasons. He maybe turning 30, but I don't believe he's done, yet. Neither did the Packers who wanted him back and the Broncos who were trying to sign him.

[MadMax]

This is what I was replying to...




Maybe I misunderstood, but it looked like he was saying Green had never really done anything "spectacular." I was merely pointing out that he had one of the great seasons by a RB in this decade and was widely considered the best in the game for that period.

I'm not saying he IS going to put up those kind of numbers. I'm just saying that the guy is a very good RB and he has had some fantastic seasons. He maybe turning 30, but I don't believe he's done, yet. Neither did the Packers who wanted him back and the Broncos who were trying to sign him.

yeah, that's fair. sorry if i misinterpreted you.

i'm not on the side of those saying this isn't a good move. i think it is.

[HillBoy]

1800 yards and 15 td's (+ 367 yds & 5 td's receiving) just a few seasons ago is nothing spectacular? Are you one of those guys who can't date anyone but a super model? Your standards might be a bit high.
It does me no good to have high standards for this team because they are incapable of meeting them in their current incarnation. Unfortunately for the Texans, they are in a division where the bar has been set very high. IMO, this precludes them going about making incremental changes to the lineup (like the Green pickup) with the expectation of producing dramatic gains in their ability to compete. Yes, Green did all that several seasons in Green Bay but that in no way means that he'll be just as productive here especially given their numerous problems on offense. That he'll be better than what they trotted out there last season is a given. On this point we both can agree. But to assume that he will have such a dramatic impact on their overall competitiveness is taking a huge leap of faith that I am not prepared to make at this time. Hence, the skepticism on my part.

[msn]

That he'll be better than what they trotted out there last season is a given.
Then this is not a "lateral move at best". He's either better or he's not.

Yes, Green did all that several seasons in Green Bay but that in no way means that he'll be just as productive here especially given their numerous problems on offense.... to assume that he will have such a dramatic impact on their overall competitiveness is taking a huge leap of faith that I am not prepared to make at this time.
If everything else about the Texans roster stayed the same and Green gets 25 carries a game instead of Gado, Lundy, or Dayne, I'm with you--the improvement will not be dramatic (but there *will* be improvement).

That said, it's March. I'm guessing the Texans will have an opportunity or two to continue to address the "numerous problems on offense." They just addressed one of them, and damn well given cap constraints and what was available. FA season barely opened. The draft hasn't even happened yet. Let this thing develop; geez.

[HillBoy]

How is Green a retread? He's been one of the top most consistent RBs in the league the past 5 seasons. The fact you put Green's name along w/ Dayne's makes me seriously question your knowledge about NFL football. I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't think you're giving Green nearly enough credit.
You make a good point here. Perhaps I should have used the term "recycled" instead of retread. A player like Randy Moss would be a retread while a player like Terrell Owens would be considered a retard.

Like you said, Green is an upgrade over DW and Dayne. Even though you think it's only a slight one, there's a good chance both of those guys won't play for us next season so I think it's a bigger upgrade then you think it is.
I watched a lot of Green Bay football over the past few years and while Green is indeed serviceable and durable, he in no way possesses the physical attributes I'd like to see at that position. For example, he has a fairly nice burst but lacks downfield speed. He's not a threat to break one all the way and I feel that the Texans desparately need that dimension in their offense. That 's why I mentioned McGahee because I like his physical skill set more at that position.

McGahee is a good RB, but I didn't want to have to give up picks to get a RB. We got a good RB for a decent price w/o losing picks, I think it's a pretty good move.
Well, he's definitely trying to force his way out of Buffalo but you are right on their need to conserve picks. We got just what we paid for: a decent RB with OK skills. He'll fix what was broken last season but as for being an impact player for them on offense, of that I must confess my dubiousness.

I understand that Green is going to be 30 this season, but I don't see how you can call Green a "retread" and McGahee a "difference maker." Despite the age difference, look at last season's stats...

Green: 266 Carries, 1059 yards, 5 TDs, 373 Receiving Yards, 1 TD

McGahee: 259 Carries, 990 yards, 6 TDs, 156 Receiving Yards, 0 TD
This type of comparison is dangerous and a bit misleading. Different offensive systems come into play here as does the fact that Green played behind a superior QB in GB compared to McGahee in Buffalo. I just like McGahee's physical tools plus the fact he's only been in the league since 2003. I feel that a back with his tools is a much better option than one with Green's age and skill set. That's not a slam at Green merely a personal preference on my part.

[The Cat]

I watched a lot of Green Bay football over the past few years and while Green is indeed serviceable and durable, he in no way possesses the physical attributes I'd like to see at that position. For example, he has a fairly nice burst but lacks downfield speed. He's not a threat to break one all the way and I feel that the Texans desparately need that dimension in their offense. That 's why I mentioned McGahee because I like his physical skill set more at that position.

I watch a lot of Green Bay football too, and I've got to disagree here. One of the first phrases for me that comes to mind with Green is breakaway speed and how well he shifts it into a second gear when downfield.

[HillBoy]

If everything else about the Texans roster stayed the same and Green gets 25 carries a game instead of Gado, Lundy, or Dayne, I'm with you--the improvement will not be dramatic (but there *will* be improvement).

That said, it's March. I'm guessing the Texans will have an opportunity or two to continue to address the "numerous problems on offense." They just addressed one of them, and damn well given cap constraints and what was available. FA season barely opened. The draft hasn't even happened yet. Let this thing develop; geez.
And they still have the opportunity to look at some of the lesser known RBs from places like Rutgers who have played in zone-blocking offenses. They just don't have the resources for being much of a player in the FA season so little moves like this appear to be the norm. Whether that will be enough is up for conjecture at this point. I've explained my skepticism and the reasons for it in detail. I just want everyone who thinks that this is a great move to maintain some perspective if come fall, Green's impact falls short of their expectations.

[HillBoy]

yeah, that's fair. sorry if i misinterpreted you.

i'm not on the side of those saying this isn't a good move. i think it is.
Max & Leroy: I'm not saying that this is a bad move, merely an OK one. You two and others are far more optimistic about Green's potential impact here that I am and that's all I've been saying here.

[sammy]

If David Carr is going to be our starter I'm not sure getting a good receiver is a priority.

Why waste the pick? :D

I still think the Texans MUST pick a offensive player in the first round. Ginn Jr seems like a good pick-up now.

[Jared Novak]

I still think the Texans MUST pick a offensive player in the first round. Ginn Jr seems like a good pick-up now.

I'd rather take Robert Meachum in the second round.

[CriscoKidd]

I'd rather take Robert Meachum in the second round.

There will be quality wrs in the second round, but Meachem is likely to be long gone by then.

[KingCheetah]

Another moronic move by the Texans.

[leroy420]

I watched a lot of Green Bay football over the past few years and while Green is indeed serviceable and durable, he in no way possesses the physical attributes I'd like to see at that position. For example, he has a fairly nice burst but lacks downfield speed. He's not a threat to break one all the way and I feel that the Texans desparately need that dimension in their offense. That 's why I mentioned McGahee because I like his physical skill set more at that position.

Since 2002, Green has 8 rushes that went for 60 yards +, including 1 for 98 yards in 2003. If you want more recent, he had a 70 yd run for a td against Miami just last season. You don't do that w/o breakaway speed. I heard him called one of the best open field runners in the game as recent as this morning on Sportscenter.

I understand your opinion. I just think this represents a significant upgrade for the running game...a real live threat out of the backfield. Teams didn't respect the Texans run game last season. This allowed them to drop both safeties taking away any chance of going deep. They won't have that luxury this season as long as he continues to be as damgerous out of the backfield as he has always been.

[Jared Novak]

There will be quality wrs in the second round, but Meachem is likely to be long gone by then.

Perhaps, but like you said there will be plenty of WR's in the draft.

[Major]

Another moronic move by the Texans.

How so?

[DaDakota]

I think this is a great move by them......they do need to get a younger RB in the draft, but a nice stop gap measure.

DD

[KingCheetah]

How so?

Too much money for a heavily used RB on the wrong side of 30 -- coming off a mediocre season and major injury the year prior.

[Major]

Too much money for a heavily used RB on the wrong side of 30 -- coming off a mediocre season and major injury the year prior.

1. He's barely 30.
2. He averaged 4 YPC and over 1000 yards not even being the full-time back.
3. We don't even know how much we're paying him at this point - all we know is $6.5 MM over 4 years - that's $1.6MM a year. That's too much? We have no idea what triggers the other money, whether it's roster bonuses in the 3rd or 4th years, etc.
4. He hasn't been "heavily used". He's averaged 20 carries only once in his career. He had two other seasons (first two) where he barely played, and he showed no signs of slowing down last year.

The only real concern with him is small, nagging injuries, but he seems to play through them pretty well. He's about as reliable a back as you were going to find in free agency.

[CriscoKidd]

Too much money for a heavily used RB on the wrong side of 30 -- coming off a mediocre season and major injury the year prior.

so being 30 now = the wrong side of 30? :)

I think it's an okay gamble. I like Green's chances more so than say, Dominic Williams(or whatever he wants to call himself now), Dayne, Duckett, rookie rb not named Peterson, Chris Brown or whoever else is available.

More importantly, this frees up the draft picks to go to other positions(provided AP doesn't fall) that they desperately need to address(qb, wr, dl, ol, dbs).

[gucci888]

They have video of the press conference on Texans.com.

From GM Rick Smith at the Ahman Green press conference earlier today:

quote:
(on the status of RB Domanick Williams) “Domanick actually went and visited the doctor. He had some swelling in his knee. He’s been doing a really nice job in the rehab process and it actually had gotten to a point in the rehab process where he was strength training more than anything. He had some swelling in his knee a couple of weeks ago and we sent him to a specialist in Atlanta, and he’s going to have to have some additional surgery, so the jury’s still out on where he is in his rehab process. He did experience a setback, so we’re not sure what’s going to happen with Domanick.”

[Tonaaayyyy]

They have video of the press conference on Texans.com.

From GM Rick Smith at the Ahman Green press conference earlier today:

quote:
(on the status of RB Domanick Williams) “Domanick actually went and visited the doctor. He had some swelling in his knee. He’s been doing a really nice job in the rehab process and it actually had gotten to a point in the rehab process where he was strength training more than anything. He had some swelling in his knee a couple of weeks ago and we sent him to a specialist in Atlanta, and he’s going to have to have some additional surgery, so the jury’s still out on where he is in his rehab process. He did experience a setback, so we’re not sure what’s going to happen with Domanick.”


that sucks... i wonder how long it'll take for him to get back where he left off

[rezdawg]

that sucks... i wonder how long it'll take for him to get back where he left off

He'll never be the same.

[ima_drummer2k]

Too much money for a heavily used RB on the wrong side of 30 -- coming off a mediocre season and major injury the year prior.
Who would you sign instead?

[KingCheetah]

Look what Samkon did with the same line in Green Bay as Ahman and look what he did with the Texans.

...

Typically runners start breaking down at 30 -- let's see if Ahman can buck that trend.

:)

[KingCheetah]

The funny thing will be watching Vernand Morency go for 2250 total yards next season with 23 TDs.

;)

[Major]

Look what Samkon did with the same line in Green Bay as Ahman and look what he did with the Texans.


:confused:

In 2005, he averaged 4.1 YPC with Greenbay. In 2006, he averaged -3.5 (on 2 carries).

In 2006 with the Texans, he averaged 4.0 YPC.

In both cases, he got demoted to 3rd or 4th string RB.

[gucci888]

The Jets traded their 2nd Round pick for Thomas Jones (29) and the Broncos just gave Travis Henry (29) a 5 year deal w/ $12M in guarantees.

Doesn't seem like the Texans overpayed Green all that much compared to what other teams are paying for RBs.

[CriscoKidd]

The Jets traded their 2nd Round pick for Thomas Jones (29)



Not to be pissy, but the Jets essentially just traded down in the 2nd round to get TJ. I believe they will be giving him a contract extension in the near future though.

I think Henry will be fine in Denver(who wouldn't?), but he is mediocre imo.

[hatemavs4life]

The funny thing will be watching Vernand Morency go for 2250 total yards next season with 23 TDs.

;) ... with about 20 fumbles and oh yes, probably shabby blitz protection. ;)

[Nice Rollin]

dont they already have reggie bush?

[ROCKSS]

I think its a good pick up, not to mention he is a Husker and I am in Omaha so I now have a reason to watch the Texans this year. ;)

[redgoose]

Excellent signing! Does anyone that does not like him think pro bowl running backs are lining up to play for the Texans? Considering we've been competing with the Detroit Lions for the worst run franchise the last few years i don't see how paying Green the green he got is a bad deal since it's still less than David Carr got last year. Not to mention i can't think of any team who had a worse running backs than we did last year.

[Dr.Strangelove]

I love the Green signing and assume they will augment this with the resigning of Dayne,Lundy,and a 3 -5 round pick at RB,as Ahman can only handle so many carries.
He's a really good receiver out of the backfield that still has nice speed and cutback ability.

The only thing with Green that I would worry about are his knees....

Nice job Texans!

[KingCheetah]

:confused:

In 2005...

Obviously i'm talking about the year Samkon did so well while Sherman was still the coach.
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At any rate I hope Green does well as a Texan -- i've always liked him as a player and I hope he proves me wrong.