ClutchFans - [Houston Chronicle] Texans pursuing free agent quarterback Jeff Garcia

rikesh316

03-02-2007, 03:30 PM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4596957.html

By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Because Denver insisted on getting a draft choice for Jake Plummer and the Texans won’t part with any of their picks, they’re trying to sign Garcia, who would replace David Carr as their starter.

The Texans have been expected to trade Carr since last season ended. Once Garcia signs with a new team and is off the market, Carr becomes the most attractive quarterback available.

Garcia, who turns 37 this year, is one of the hottest free agents on the market. When coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator at Denver, the Broncos tried to acquire Garcia but couldn’t pull it off.

“Yeah, we chased him in Denver,” Kubiak said. “I’ve always been impressed with the guy. He’s one tough son of a gun. He makes smart decisions. He’s been productive just about everywhere he’s been.”

Several teams, including Oakland and Tampa Bay, also have been interested. The Raiders are trying to sign a veteran starter. The Buccaneers thought they had a deal for Plummer on Friday, but it feel through after he told them he was going to retire.

Plummer didn’t want to go into another situation where he would have to compete for a starting job again. The Bucs were willing to give a fourth-round pick for Plummer to compete with Chris Simms, who signed a two-year extension after the season.

Simms was injured last season. Tim Rattay finished the season as the Bucs’ starter, but he’s looking for another job.

If Plummer follows through with his retirement plans, the Broncos would still own his rights for three years, which would keep him from being reunited with Kubiak, his offensive coordinator for three years in Denver.

The Texans are also interested in receiver Ashley Lelie, who was a No. 1 draft choice in Denver and was later traded to Atlanta.

JeopardE

03-02-2007, 03:37 PM

Git 'r done. This offseason could turn out even better than I thought. I was never really high on Plummer as a Carr replacement, and I certainly would hate to see us give up a pick for him. Draft a left tackle or safety in the first round, pick up Kolb in the 2nd or 3rd, and let Garcia start next season.

Who knows, we might even smell the playoffs this year.

texanskan

03-02-2007, 03:40 PM

No on this fudgepacker

weslinder

03-02-2007, 03:46 PM

Garcia had a good season, but he's awfully old. If they do pick him up, I hope it's only to bridge the gap to Stanton/Kolb/Leak.

updawg

03-02-2007, 03:48 PM

Good, sounds like they are serious about doing something at QB. I think Carr is Kubiaks last choice for next year. I just have the feeling he has no confidence in the guy.

Groogrux

03-02-2007, 03:48 PM

No on this fudgepacker

Stay classy, Houston.

Rox225

03-02-2007, 04:00 PM

Garcia is old but he's still mobile and accurate on the run, which fits perfectly in the Kubiak scheme. If he's being signed for one, max two years then I say great. He could mentor a young QB that we draft in the later rounds, and then turn the reigns over.

Lelie as a #2 receiver is a good option. He's young and can stretch the field more than Moulds could.

RocketFan007

03-02-2007, 04:02 PM

I'd rather start Sage and draft a QB to groom in the third.

Furious Jam

03-02-2007, 04:19 PM

Ugh. Old QB + Texans O-Line = injured reserve. You sign this guy, he spends half the season injured - guaranteed. A rebuilding team making a play for an aging QB smacks of desperation. I'd rather draft Quinn or, if he's not available, just go with Sage.

Joshfast

03-02-2007, 05:16 PM

I'd rather start Sage and draft a QB to groom in the third.

Me too. Spend our little amount of free agent money on other positions.

The Cat

03-02-2007, 05:21 PM

Groogrux

03-02-2007, 05:24 PM

sammy

03-02-2007, 05:24 PM

If you're determined to upgrade from Carr, this is a much better solution than Plummer. One, I think Garcia's a lot better than Plummer. Two, given his age, it's a lot easier for him to be a stopgap and to phase him out in a year or two if and when a new quarterback for the future is found.

Garcia > Plummer. As a poster mentioned, the best option is sign him if he is not too pricy and draft Kolb or another QB in the second round.

Aceshigh7

03-02-2007, 05:30 PM

He's not that old. He's only 37. I remember Warren Moon kicking ass all the way up to his 40's.

CriscoKidd

03-02-2007, 05:34 PM

Lelie as a #2 receiver is a good option. He's young and can stretch the field more than Moulds could.

Lelie is going to want more $$$ than he deserves most likely. He's a one trick pony with the streak. And stretching the field wont really be a major part of the gameplan with Garcia's noodle arm.

As much as seeing Garcia starting for the texans revolts me, it'd be nice to see what the team does when they have someone to rally around.

ryan17wagner

03-02-2007, 05:53 PM

Jeff Garcia + Dome Stadiums = worst record ever.

Furious Jam

03-02-2007, 05:57 PM

He's not that old. He's only 37. I remember Warren Moon kicking ass all the way up to his 40's.

Was Moon playing behind a paper-thin offensive line in his 40s? How fast can a 37 year old QB scramble? How much punishment can he take? Say what you will about Carr, but he always got back up. Sure, Garcia might not take as many sacks, but even 1/2 as many might be too much for someone his age.

dsnow23

03-02-2007, 06:03 PM

No on this fudgepacker

I didn't know Tim Hardaway posted on clutchfans.

percicles

03-02-2007, 06:28 PM

This thread is useless without pictures of his Playmate girlfriend.

HillBoy

03-02-2007, 06:42 PM

More disinformation from the Texans. It will be Carr starting at QB come fall. Let the howls begin!

Drewdog

03-02-2007, 06:46 PM

Im a big Garcia fan. Especially since he stepped up big time for Philly in the postseason - guy has alot of guts.

Still very mobile, and still makes good decisions. Precisely what the Texans need right now - someone to not F up every play.

The Real Shady

03-02-2007, 06:47 PM

This thread is useless without pictures of his Playmate girlfriend.

Get it done Texans.

http://blogs.ya.com/carmelladecesare/files/36.jpg

DonnyMost

03-02-2007, 07:03 PM

Garcia was a pro bowler when he played on a good team.

Garcia was a bottom 5 QB when he played for a bad team.

Go figure.

He won't fix anything here.

Major

03-02-2007, 07:03 PM

If you're determined to upgrade from Carr, this is a much better solution than Plummer. One, I think Garcia's a lot better than Plummer. Two, given his age, it's a lot easier for him to be a stopgap and to phase him out in a year or two if and when a new quarterback for the future is found.

I totally agree here. I don't know how interested he would be in coming to a team like the Texans, but if he is, I'd prefer him to Plummer or most of the other available options.

timwalters

03-02-2007, 07:08 PM

The Cat

03-02-2007, 07:13 PM

Talks between Garcia and the Raiders are at an impasse.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/02/SPGSTOEE2V3.DTL

tinman

03-02-2007, 07:17 PM

Talks between Garcia and the Raiders are at an impasse.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/02/SPGSTOEE2V3.DTL

if the raiders were smart, they'd sign garcia and draft calvin johnson.

timwalters

03-02-2007, 07:21 PM

if the raiders are smart, they'd trade the first pick for andre johnson and carr...we take adrian peterson or calvin johnson...

then, with the 8th pick we take ginn jr, and in second round take kolb

kolb/peterson/ginn jr WOW

now, why the raiders do this? ..russell will be a bust, and mark it down, basically sucks donkey balls...they dont like moss, and will trade him, they are rebuilding so they dont want a old qb...and andre gives them the best reciever in league minus calvin johnson.

timwalters

03-02-2007, 07:28 PM

i dont know why but, i really want andre and carr gone. well, carr can stay its funny to get high drat picks for another year, but in all seriousness , i dont want a single player from the casserly era except dunta and even thats a stretch

try to trade the farm to raiders for #1. trade carr,andre,and some doritos for calvin johnson...then i like lynch,, i think he will be the best rb in this draft kinda like jones drew was last year over bush....take lynch at 8th. take kolb in second

qb- kolb
reciever -calvin johnson
receiver -mathis
te - forgot his name, that rookie
ol - pitts, fat slob, winston, spencer, fat slob
rb - lynch

I like it.

ryan17wagner

03-02-2007, 07:29 PM

Time to bring back Pro Football HOF'er and Houston Gambler QB Jim Kelly!

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weslinder

03-02-2007, 07:53 PM

Whatever happened to the Eagles keeping Garcia and cutting McNabb. :confused: That was the one ridiculous talk show host fodder that I really wanted to happen.

mateo

03-02-2007, 07:56 PM

No on this fudgepacker

Sorta rednecky, dont ya think?

TMac#1

03-02-2007, 09:38 PM

Garcia is sooooooooooooo overrated. I can't believe people actually wanted him over McNabb in Philly. And Garcia is 37 yr old. I'd rather have Sage as my starter.

kaleidosky

03-03-2007, 01:09 AM

i like garcia and he's solid.. but not for this team.

We're not on the brink. We don't need a 1-2 year stopgap. Might as well stick with Carr and see if he pulls off the miracle turnaround while we draft a young guy..

Cannonball

03-03-2007, 01:54 AM

why not just keep carr? so what if he screws up, that just means a better pick next year !!! and im serious. we are not going to the playoffs anyways, so why save salary cap, use the money on a OL instead of garcia. and draft kolb and use carr as a tool for a year ...then we can get a good pick next year top five hopefully instead of garica winning some games and not getting a great pick and not getting to the playoffs...garcia is a lose lose scenario. i want carr back.. some of the excite ment i had this year was listening to talk radios about carr..it was hilarious...lets keep him .

Oh, Jesus! Isn't it a little f'ing early to start the "tank for a high draft pick" discussion. We haven't even gotten to THIS years draft yet.

I got ya, why don't we go ahead and plan to tank for the the next 5 years. That much losing will surely get the franchise going in the right direction.

:rolleyes:

MadMax

03-03-2007, 07:04 AM

Oh, Jesus! Isn't it a little f'ing early to start the "tank for a high draft pick" discussion. We haven't even gotten to THIS years draft yet.

I got ya, why don't we go ahead and plan to tank for the the next 5 years. That much losing will surely get the franchise going in the right direction.

:rolleyes:

no kidding. i'm so tired of that crap. i'm so tired of saying, "well, we shouldn't worry about improving this position because we won't be good anyway."

this has been a ridiculously uninteresting franchise for the past 3 seasons, after the novelty wore off. some spark...some entertainment value aside from the fact they're Houston's franchise would be nice.

Groogrux

03-03-2007, 09:32 AM

no kidding. i'm so tired of that crap. i'm so tired of saying, "well, we shouldn't worry about improving this position because we won't be good anyway."

this has been a ridiculously uninteresting franchise for the past 3 seasons, after the novelty wore off. some spark...some entertainment value aside from the fact they're Houston's franchise would be nice.

Kinda like wanting a QB that was jettisoned by another team because that team has higher expectations? ;)

Major

03-03-2007, 09:44 AM

Kinda like wanting a QB that was jettisoned by another team because that team has higher expectations? ;)

More like the opposite of not wanting a QB with the 3rd best record in football the last 4 years (behind Brady and Manning), who's made the pro-bowl, who's been in the playoffs, and won the only playoff game in 40+ years for a franchise, because he's apparently no better than a guy who's never done anything in the league. :)

Blake

03-03-2007, 10:36 AM

Looking like he is going to the Bucs according to ESPN News

The Cat

03-03-2007, 10:51 AM

Ugh. Odds are 50/50 at best that he'd start for the Bucs, while he would step right in here. If the money's right, though, I guess players will do anything. Plummer's "retirement" really hurts... one, it makes him still available for us, which I don't want, and two, it led to our best option in Garcia leaving the market to "replace" him, in a sense.

KingCheetah

03-03-2007, 12:30 PM

Garcia would be my top free agent choice to replace Carr -- this is of course out of the realistic free agents out there. Garcia's mobility will offset some of our O-line woes and the fact he played so well last season seals the deal.

Lil Francis

03-03-2007, 12:34 PM

What the hell is going on? Now ESPN news said the Plummer deal went through with the Bucs. They have Garcia and Plummer now? :confused: :confused:

Groogrux

03-03-2007, 12:45 PM

What the hell is going on? Now ESPN news said the Plummer deal went through with the Bucs. They have Garcia and Plummer now? :confused: :confused:

Just saw that...what the ****?

VesceySux

03-03-2007, 01:07 PM

Looks like both Hillboy AND MadMax might be right: Carr will be back and will start, and the Texans will draft Brady Quinn to replace him.

The Cat

03-03-2007, 01:15 PM

What the hell is going on? Now ESPN news said the Plummer deal went through with the Bucs. They have Garcia and Plummer now? :confused: :confused:

The trade of quarterback Jake Plummer to the Bucs is aimed at preventing Plummer from retiring for a few months and then unretiring to play for the Texans, explains Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

Per Schefter, the trade states that Plummer either unretires and plays for the Bucs, or Plummer retires and the Broncos retain the ability to pursue the unallocated portion of his signing bonus.

But if Plummer unretires, Tampa will have to have $5.3 million in cap room to carry his base salary. So, in essence, Plummer can opt to force Tampa's hand by saying, "Sure, I'll show up." It will force Tampa to pay him $5.3 million or cut him.

Or trade him, perhaps to the Texans.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Enron

03-03-2007, 01:30 PM

Well the Buccs just took Jeff Garcia, close the thread!

Lil Francis

03-03-2007, 02:24 PM

No thanks. Let Plummer stay retired. I'd rather draft a qb (Quinn) and let Sage just start the 07 season.

Bobblehead

03-03-2007, 02:44 PM

rocks_fan

03-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Looks like the Texans are going to be forced into having Carr as the starter. You don't have $8mill backups. And cutting him is a waste.

WOW...did Tim Pupura and Rick Smith go to same crappy school of General Managing???

Yeah, cause after all Rick Smith mind-melded with Charlie and forced him to extend Carr. What exactly are you blaming Smith for, extending Carr (which he didn't), not trading for Plummer (which would have cost the team draft picks it could scarcely afford to lose), not signing Garcia (I doubt the Texans were in the running in the first place), or not trading Carr (kinda hard to trade QB1 when you don't have a definite plan to replace him already in motion)? Since this isn't an Astros thread, I won't even bother with the implication that Pupura is a "crappy" GM.

Please, continue with whatever it was you were doing.

DonnyMost

03-03-2007, 03:07 PM

The Texans will take Kevin Kolb in the third round.

That is my final answer, Regis.

Lil Francis

03-03-2007, 03:26 PM

Looks like the Texans are going to be forced into having Carr as the starter. You don't have $8mill backups. And cutting him is a waste.

WOW...did Tim Pupura and Rick Smith go to same crappy school of General Managing???Maybe the Vikes or Browns will give up their #4 for him. Its still early so a trade can still happen...... I hope :D

itzIce

03-03-2007, 03:47 PM

Maybe Tampa's main plan is to trade for Carr. It seems odd that they have both Plummer and Garcia. Perhaps there is a chance that they trade a pick and Plummer for Carr....? :confused:

rocks_fan

03-03-2007, 04:23 PM

Maybe Tampa's main plan is to trade for Carr. It seems odd that they have both Plummer and Garcia. Perhaps there is a chance that they trade a pick and Plummer for Carr....? :confused:

Trade Plummer AND a pick for Carr when they already have to give up a conditional pick in next year's draft to get Plummer in the first place? The Bucs must REALLY want Carr if that deal went through.

More likely they're trying to squeeze the Texans. If I'm Rick I call up the Bucs and say, "You've got 3 QBs and Plummer. If Plummer retires, you've given up a pick for nothing. If he plays you've got a $5.3 million backup who's not likely to renegotiate his contract. We've still got Carr and Sage if David gets banged up or fails to produce AND we'll probably get a shot at Quinn in the draft if we want him. But, since I'm feeling generous, I'll do you a favor. Here's a 7th for Plummer. It's the best offer you're going to get from us. Take it or leave it. By the way, my tee time is in 45 minutes and I don't like taking calls while I'm on the course." See if TB blinks.