Breaking News(ESPN): Jake Plummer Not Going To Be Texans Next Starting QB (TB Bucs)

[ron413]

He is going to play for Tampa Bay next season per ESPN.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2785459

Broncos near deal to send Plummmer to Bucs
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


ESPN.com has learned that the Denver Broncos have reached agreement in principle on most of the elements of a trade that will send veteran quarterback Jake Plummer to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Plummer
Under the terms being discussed, the Broncos would receive a middle-round draft choice, believed to be a fourth-rounder, in exchange for Plummer. The trade could be announced as early as Friday.


Tampa Bay re-signed Chris Simms to a two-year contract earlier this offseason. But with Simms coming off a 2006 season in which he underwent an emergency splenectomy, the Bucs have been shopping for a veteran quarterback to bolster the depth chart.


Veteran backup Tim Rattay became an unrestricted free agent on Friday and was not expected to return to Tampa Bay.


Plummer, 32, lost his starting job in Denver to rookie Jay Cutler late last season and the Broncos have been entertaining trade offers in the offseason. A 10-year veteran, Plummer has started 136 games in stints with Arizona (1997-2002) and Denver (2003-2006). He has completed 2,484 of 4,350 passes for 29,253 yards, with 161 touchdown passes and 161 interceptions, for a passer rating of 74.6.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

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Looks like David Carr has nine lives here in Houston :cool:

[JayZ750]

Seems like a dumb move for Plummer, but I guess it's not up to him?

As long as the Texans quarterback next year aint David Carr, I don't care who it is!

[steefrancis]

great another year of carr...sigh

[MadMax]

that's because the Texans are going to pick Brady Quinn.

[msn]

great another year of carr...sigh
I don't believe it was either/or at all.

[Bogey]

Thank God no Plummer and no Bell. Thought they both would have been a waste of cap $ and draft picks.

[Dave2000]

now let me get this straight, Plummer is NOT a free agent right? Cause if thats true, then 790/Monsters of the Midday needs to get their facts straight....

[MadMax]

now let me get this straight, Plummer is NOT a free agent right? Cause if thats true, then 790/Monsters of the Midday needs to get their facts straight....

i think those guys assumed that the Broncos would release Plummer.

[MR. MEOWGI]

I just hope the Texans take their time to make the right move at the right time and not give in to fan pressure to have to something now.

[texanskan]

Good, I don't want that bum the Snake here anyway. I would of freaked out if we gave up a pick for that loser. Stupid Gruden

[MadMax]

I just hope the Texans take their time to make the right move at the right time and not give in to fan pressure to have to something now.

oh, come on. no matter what the Texans do, you'll think it's the right thing.

[ima_drummer2k]

Good. Now let's draft Kolb.

AGAIN, I say......everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

http://thetruthblog.home.comcast.net/Palpatine.jpg

[emjohn]

I'd have been good with him if we signed him after being waived. Trading for his current deal would have been dumb on two levels.

Draft Kolb, not Brady!

Evan

[mrdave543]

I just hope the Texans take their time to make the right move at the right time and not give in to fan pressure to have to something now.


yes clearly the whole taking their time/not giving into fan pressure thing last year worked out not drafting vince young.....BRILLIANT!!!!

[Rox225]

Excellent. Now let's draft Kolb.

I'm down with that. If Peterson is there at 8, which is highly unlikely, take him. If not, then trade down a few spots and pick up Levi Brown or Laron Landry. Take Kolb in the second round with the rest of the picks split between O-line and D-line. I really have no problem letting Sage start next year, just say NO to D-Carr and to his college twin B-Quinn.

[NJRocket]

If they got a 4th rounder for Plummer, the Texans aint gettin anything more for Carr

[MadMax]

If they got a 4th rounder for Plummer, the Texans aint gettin anything more for Carr

Yeah, that's Dunta's fault.

[Dubious]

You know, growing up as a Cowboy fan I've seen what a quarterback controversy looks like from Meridith-Morton , White-Hogeboom to Bledsoe -Romo and it looks ugly from the outside; but the one thing I can tell you is that you get a better quarterbac k out of in the long run.

Here's my prediction (at least today's prediction) - Drew Stanton in the 2nd., Carr stays and plays with earmuffs on next year.

There just aren't any good options out there folks.

I might also think about Jordan Palmer in the 6th or signing Isaiah Stanback as an undrafted FA.

[conquistador#11]

If plummer couldnt play with a playoff cast in denver,He would have been a failure here aswell

[rhino17]

I really wanted Plummer here, now we are stuck with David Carr again

[RocketMan Tex]

Two of the greatest NFL QBs of my lifetime, Joe Montana & Tom Brady, were both 3rd round picks.

The Texans need to concentrate on building an offensive framework (i.e. a great offensive line and running game to go along with Andre Johnson) that will allow any QB to succeed. If they spend this #1 pick on another QB, then this franchise is crap from the top down.

[texanskan]

yes clearly the whole taking their time/not giving into fan pressure thing last year worked out not drafting vince young.....BRILLIANT!!!!

Well if I were the owner than yes I would of taken Young and we would of been better off right now but the goal is to win a super bowl not bring in a running qb who will help you win games quick (ie. Vick) but not titles.

I love VY and I'm not saying he cant/wont win a super bowl but I will have to see a running qb do it to belive it, no matter how good someone is.

My point is, I don't care what school someone went to or if there from here in Houston I just want to win a super bowl and as great as Vince is he will need to change his game and play like Steve Young played in order to win big.

[texanskan]

Two of the greatest NFL QBs of my lifetime, Joe Montana & Tom Brady, were both 3rd round picks.

The Texans need to concentrate on building an offensive framework (i.e. a great offensive line and running game to go along with Andre Johnson) that will allow any QB to succeed. If they spend this #1 pick on another QB, then this franchise is crap from the top down.

Brady was a 6th round pick

[Lil Francis]

that's because the Texans are going to pick Brady Quinn.Yea im with you. Just cross your fingers that the Vikes dont take him at #7 because their qb situation is worst than the Texans.

[The Cat]

That's huge. I'm not necessarily opposed to removing Carr, although I do think I have a higher opinion of him than most of you. But if Carr is moved, it needs to be for a move with substantial upside. It's going to take a lot of cap dollars to change the QB situation — from cutting/trading Carr and acquiring the new contract of another QB.

If the Texans are going to do that, there at least needs to be a chance that the new QB is the solution for the future, and I don't think that's the case with Plummer. It would be change for the sake of change. It might be a marginal upgrade (although I doubt it), but even if so, imo it's not worth the cap room it would taken given that no one views him as the answer. Keep Carr until a more viable alternative is found, and upgrade the rest of the team in the process.

[Major]

It's going to take a lot of cap dollars to change the QB situation — from cutting/trading Carr and acquiring the new contract of another QB.

Why do people keep saying this? For example, if the Texans had made this trade, for example, and then simply cut Carr, they'd have saved millions on their cap number each of the next two years (it would have cost a 4th round pick, obviously).

Carr's contract is mostly base salary and relatively little signing bonus - that means he's easy to cut without much penalty if you wanted to go that way. Plummer was the opposite, which is why it was more complicated for Denver because the massive signing bonus accelerates.

Getting a new QB does not necessarily require a lot of cap dollars - depending on who you get, it might actually save quite a few.

[CriscoKidd]

Yea im with you. Just cross your fingers that the Vikes dont take him at #7 because their qb situation is worst than the Texans.

Make that 3. If Quinn is still there he will be by far the BPA.

two teams ahead of the texans that might nab him are cleveland and minny. cleveland could go many different ways, but it doesn't look like they are taking quinn at the spot they are currently. Minny could go after him as well, but they are cheap and did spend a 2nd rounder on Tarvaris Jackson last year, so who knows.

[The Cat]

Why do people keep saying this? For example, if the Texans had made this trade, for example, and then simply cut Carr, they'd have saved millions on their cap number each of the next two years (it would have cost a 4th round pick, obviously).

Carr's contract is mostly base salary and relatively little signing bonus - that means he's easy to cut without much penalty if you wanted to go that way. Plummer was the opposite, which is why it was more complicated for Denver because the massive signing bonus accelerates.

Getting a new QB does not necessarily require a lot of cap dollars - depending on who you get, it might actually save quite a few.

Is that true? I hadn't looked at the cap situation myself, primarily because it's so complex with the NFL, but all I had heard for months was how difficult it would be for the Texans to let go of Carr because of the massive cap hit they would take.

In any event, I'm also pleased with it from an on-field perspective — I don't even want to imagine Plummer behind this offensive line.

[CriscoKidd]

That's huge. I'm not necessarily opposed to removing Carr, although I do think I have a higher opinion of him than most of you. But if Carr is moved, it needs to be for a move with substantial upside. It's going to take a lot of cap dollars to change the QB situation — from cutting/trading Carr and acquiring the new contract of another QB.

If the Texans are going to do that, there at least needs to be a chance that the new QB is the solution for the future, and I don't think that's the case with Plummer. It would be change for the sake of change. It might be a marginal upgrade (although I doubt it), but even if so, imo it's not worth the cap room it would taken given that no one views him as the answer. Keep Carr until a more viable alternative is found, and upgrade the rest of the team in the process.

You know, I used to have this opinion as well, but at this point it seems like it is time for change, even if it is just for the sake of change. His teammates seem to have no faith in him and they desperately need a leader on the field.

[Major]

Is that true? I hadn't looked at the cap situation myself, primarily because it's so complex with the NFL, but all I had heard for months was how difficult it would be for the Texans to let go of Carr because of the massive cap hit they would take.


Carr's contract is (approx) $6MM base + $2.3MM bonus. If you cut him, you have to still keep his bonus money, but save the base. So you'd save $12MM over 2 years and have to keep about $4.5MM.

However, it looks like I was wrong about Plummer. My understanding was that he had a base salary of $600,000 and like $7MM in signing bonus (that's how it was first several years in Denver), but it looks like that may have been restructured somewhere along the line. He has about a $5MM base salary, so trading for him and dropping Carr would have about a $1MM net savings, so it's more of a wash than I originally thought.

[meh]

The Texans gave Carr that $8mil bonus last year for that 3-year extension, right? Meaning the bonus cap hit is $2.67 mil/year. That would mean they'd take a 2-year bonus-acceleration hit($5.33 mil) if they trade Carr. But save the $5 mil or so base salary they need to pay him. If they cut him, I believe right now the bonus hit would be spread out over 2 years, meaning $2.67 mil/year. Thus saving them capspace of $2 mil+ the next two years.

[Major]

The Texans gave Carr that $8mil bonus last year for that 3-year extension, right? Meaning the bonus cap hit is $2.67 mil/year. That would mean they'd take a 2-year bonus-acceleration hit($5.33 mil) if they trade Carr. But save the $5 mil or so base salary they need to pay him. If they cut him, I believe right now the bonus hit would be spread out over 2 years, meaning $2.67 mil/year. Thus saving them capspace of $2 mil+ the next two years.

You're counting the money twice. When it says its a cap hit, they really mean it's not a cap savings. So right now, his cap cost would be:

2007: Salary + Bonus
2008: Salary + Bonus

If you cut him, it would be:

2007: Bonus
2008: Bonus

or, possibly:

2007: Bonus + Bonus

So you'd either save $6MM this year and $6MM next year, or $3.5MM this year and $8.5MM next year, depending on if it accelerates or not.

[MR. MEOWGI]

oh, come on. no matter what the Texans do, you'll think it's the right thing.

I know that getting rid of Carr just to appease certain fans only to end up with something worse is stupid.

[emjohn]

The NFL cap rules give me migranes.

Evan

[The Cat]

Err... according to the NFL Network, this deal is off and Plummer will retire. :confused:

[tinman]

Good. Now let's draft Kolb.

AGAIN, I say......everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

http://thetruthblog.home.comcast.net/Palpatine.jpg
LOL!!

[CriscoKidd]

Err... according to the NFL Network, this deal is off and Plummer will retire. :confused:

he MAY be trying to use what leverage he has to pick which team he wants to go to. Which MAY be Houston.

[meh]

You're counting the money twice. When it says its a cap hit, they really mean it's not a cap savings. So right now, his cap cost would be:

2007: Salary + Bonus
2008: Salary + Bonus

If you cut him, it would be:

2007: Bonus
2008: Bonus

or, possibly:

2007: Bonus + Bonus

So you'd either save $6MM this year and $6MM next year, or $3.5MM this year and $8.5MM next year, depending on if it accelerates or not.

You're right. My mistake.

Basically, all this means is that the Texans aren't losing much in terms of cap flexibility by trading him. But also means that whoever gets him pays quite a bit of money. Perhaps more than Carr deserves. Even so, since Carr has no bonus money coming from the team trading for him, it would be a low risk endevour for that team. Which is why he still has some trade value.

[Groogrux]

he MAY be trying to use what leverage he has to pick which team he wants to go to. Which MAY be Houston.

That's what I'm thinking.

[tinman]

Report: QB Plummer to retire Click here to find out more!
NFL.com


(March 2, 2007) -- NFL Network's Adam Schefter has learned Denver Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer is expected to announce his retirement.

Earlier today, it had been reported that the Broncos agreed to terms on a trade that would send Plummer to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for a fourth-round draft pick. That trade is expected to be nullified due to Plummer's decision to retire.

Plummer has played 10 seasons in the NFL. A second-round draft pick of the Arizona Cardinals in 1997, he played six seasons in Arizona before signing with Denver in 2003. He led the Broncos to the 2005 AFC Championship Game, but was replaced as the starter late in the 2006 season by rookie Jay Cutler.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/10033012

[ima_drummer2k]

You're counting the money twice. When it says its a cap hit, they really mean it's not a cap savings. So right now, his cap cost would be:

2007: Salary + Bonus
2008: Salary + Bonus

If you cut him, it would be:

2007: Bonus
2008: Bonus

or, possibly:

2007: Bonus + Bonus

So you'd either save $6MM this year and $6MM next year, or $3.5MM this year and $8.5MM next year, depending on if it accelerates or not.
LORD, you have to be a CPA to be a sports fan these days!

[emjohn]

I'd swoop in and try and get Tampa to take Carr (and our 5th rounder, if need be) for their 3rd.

Evan

[Rox225]

Report: QB Plummer to retire Click here to find out more!
NFL.com


(March 2, 2007) -- NFL Network's Adam Schefter has learned Denver Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer is expected to announce his retirement.

Earlier today, it had been reported that the Broncos agreed to terms on a trade that would send Plummer to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for a fourth-round draft pick. That trade is expected to be nullified due to Plummer's decision to retire.

Plummer has played 10 seasons in the NFL. A second-round draft pick of the Arizona Cardinals in 1997, he played six seasons in Arizona before signing with Denver in 2003. He led the Broncos to the 2005 AFC Championship Game, but was replaced as the starter late in the 2006 season by rookie Jay Cutler.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/10033012

So he's going to retire then come out of retirement to sign with the Texans, and we trade D-Carr to Tampa for the draft pick. Simple enough.

Ok, please tell me why some here think it would be smart to draft B-Quinn? Am I the only one who believe's he's just another David Carr in the making?

[Groogrux]

I'd swoop in and try and get Tampa to take Carr (and our 5th rounder, if need be) for their 3rd.

Evan

At least be on the phone with them. At this point, I don't care what we get, but I'd rather get something than flat out release him.

[CriscoKidd]

Ok, please tell me why some here think it would be smart to draft B-Quinn?

Because people think he'll be a good qb in the nfl maybe?


Am I the only one who believe's he's just another David Carr in the making?


No.

[wreck]

The Bucs want Jake Plummer, but the feeling isn't mutual.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers made a deal to acquire the quarterback from Denver on Friday for a fourth-round draft pick in this year's draft.

But according to a league source, Plummer has decided to retire, nullifying the deal that would have sent him to Tampa Bay. Plummer apparently was not interested in joining a team which would not name him to an immediate starting spot, which the Buccaneers refused to do.

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Plummer would have had to battle returning starter Chris Simms for the starting job in Tampa Bay. The deal also could have opened the door for an AFC West battle between the Broncos and Oakland Raiders for the rights to free agent signal caller Jeff Garcia, who has received initial interest from both teams.

Plummer lost his job in Denver last season to rookie Jay Cutler after playing inconsistently over the first half of the season. Plummer also fell out of favor with the Broncos during the playoffs in the 2005 season after a poor performance in the AFC championship game against Pittsburgh.

The 32-year-old Plummer finished last season with 11 touchdowns and 13 interceptions in 11 starts. Plummer played well in the previous three seasons, throwing 60 touchdowns and 34 interceptions in that span.

Plummer seemed to lose his confidence as last season progressed. After losing his starting job, Plummer was upset with how Denver coach Mike Shanahan dealt with the change. Plummer was particularly angry that he received a phone call from his position coach to inform him of the change rather than hearing directly from Shanahan.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-plummer030207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Major]

I'd swoop in and try and get Tampa to take Carr (and our 5th rounder, if need be) for their 3rd.

Evan

They were going to get Jake Plummer for a 4th pick. Why on earth would they take a guy that doesn't have nearly the same track record for a 3rd round pick?

[MadMax]

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/03/plummer_traded.html

Plummer talks retirement again. Can Sage be the man?
From the beginning, the Texans were unwilling to give up a draft pick of value for Jake Plummer. They believe that first-day draft picks are way too valuable, especially considering their problems with cap space and dead money. Give them credit for never waivering from that plan. That's why they were willing to allow Plummer to go to Tampa Bay for a fourth-round pick. However, Plummer may kill the trade by retiring.

Where do the Texans turn now? Back to David Carr? I don't think so. I believe Sage Rosenfels might be the man unless Jeff Garcia is interested. There are several other interesting options in free agency, most notably Trent Green.

I know that players are comfortable with Rosenfels. I know less about how the coaching staff feels. Rosenfels has been hurt enough that coaches might be uncomfortable with his durability. Coaches also almost always prefer experience. Garcia has that. Rosenfels played well in his brief opportunity last season and would have been the starter late in the year if he hadn't broken his hand.

Even after breaking his hand, he continued to attend meetings and do whatever he could to help Carr. Once late in the season, he missed a team flight to Boston and ended up catching a commercial flight I was also on. I asked why getting to the game was so important.

''I want to get there for the quarterbacks meeting (on Saturday night),'' he said. Some in the organization noticed he spent more time around the facility than Carr. He's a gamble. He has started just two NFL games and thrown a grand total of nine touchdown passes. Then again, considering where the Texans are and how far they have to go, they're going to have to take some gambles.

With holes all over the place, they're going to have to take some chances. They'll almost certainly draft a quarterback. Whether it's Brady Quinn in the first round or Kevin Kolb in a later round, I don't know.

Is there a chance David Carr could return? Yes, I suppose so. Not as a starter, but with a chance to compete for the job. If his trade value is as low as it seems, he possibly could be kept. I don't see that happening. Too much water has passed under the brudge. It seems time to move in another direction. Stay tuned.

[MadMax]

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/03/plummer_trade_has_no_bearing_o.html

Plummer's situation has nothing to do with Carr
The Texans were never going to trade a draft choice for quarterback Jake Plummer. General manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak want to acquire draft choices, not sacrifice them. That's why they're not expected to trade up in the first round.

Smith and Kubiak want to rebuild the roster, and considering their salary cap limitations, they're going to have to be judicious when making decisions on free agents. More on their cap problems later.

The Texans never said publicly they were interested in Plummer, but everyone knew they were if Denver coach Mike Shanahan waived him. But Shanahan said from the start that he thought the Broncos could get a pick for Plummer.

There are reports that Plummer is being traded to Tampa Bay for a fourth-round pick, but apparently the deal is on hold because the quarterback is threatening to retire. Maybe Plummer is legitimately thinking about retiring. Maybe he wants the Bucs to give him a big signing bonus on a contract extension. Or maybe he wants to play for Kubiak, his offensive coordinator for three years in Denver. We'll have to see how it plays out.

Even though Shanahan has the cap room to carry Plummer another season, he won't do it because the quarterback's cap figure of more than $6 million is too much for a backup. Shanahan knows that if he's forced to waive Plummer, the quarterback would sign with the Texans to be reunited with Kubiak.

Plummer has nothing to do with David Carr. If Carr is traded, as expected, that means the leading candidate to replace him is Sage Rosenfels unless the Texans sign a veteran. Kubiak likes Rosenfels, who finished last season on injured reserve after breaking his thumb making a tackle on special teams.

In each of the last two seasons, Rosenfels had a performance that made everyone wonder why he's never been a regular starter. In 2005, he came off the bench for the Dolphins, who trailed Buffalo 23-3. Rosenfels was 22-of-37 for 272 yards and three touchdowns in what turned out to be a 24-23 victory. At Tennessee last season, he replaced Carr and was 18-of-25 for 186 yards and a touchdown, but Pacman Jones won it for the Titans with a punt return for a touchdown.

No matter who plays quarterback for the Texans next season, I expect them to draft one in the second or third round and be given time to develop under Kubiak, offensive coordinator Mike Sherman and quarterbacks coach Kyle Shanahan.

Now, what would happen if Brady Quinn fell into their laps at the eighth spot in the first round? I can't imagine they would pass him up, but remember, Minnesota needs a quarterback more than any team in the league. And the Vikings are desperate.

The Vikings have four options: 1) They can wait to see if Quinn drops in the first round to see if they have a shot at him at seven. 2) They can pursue Jeff Garcia, the most attractive free agent quarterback available. 3) They can trade for a veteran like Carr. 4) They can do nothing. The last option appears the most unlikely for the Vikings.

Garcia, who turns 37 this year, was was not offered a new deal by the Eagles even though he played well after Donovan McNabb was injured. Garcia was the beneficiary of an outstanding performance by an offensive line that remained healthy and a terrific performance by running back Brian Westbrook.

In previous stops at Detroit and Cleveland with bad teams, Garcia was bad, too. Most NFL people think he has to play for a talented offense, specifically behind a line that'll protect him, and, more importantly, open holes for a running game to keep the defense off balance so it can tee off on Garcia.

Garcia also is a West Coast offense quarterback. He lacks arm strength. His game is all about timing, accuracy and not making bad decisions that lead to interceptions. Any team that needs a quarterback will have to consider Garcia, who wants to hit one last jackpot before he retires.

Now, back to the Texans' cap problems. As Indianapolis general manager Bill Polian pointed out recently, there's a huge difference in room under the cap and committed dollars. In other words, teams have to figure things like dead money for players no longer with the team, incentive bonuses earned from the previous season, escalator bonuses that kick in because of a player's performance, qualifying offers, tenders and money to sign draft choices. That's why the Texans don't have a lot of money available under the cap to make a splash in free agency or to pursue a lot of free agents.

Smith has to clean up the cap problem, and it can't be done in one year. More importantly, he has to improve the team while cleaning up the cap problem.

[CriscoKidd]

They were going to get Jake Plummer for a 4th pick. Why on earth would they take a guy that doesn't have nearly the same track record for a 3rd round pick?

christian surfer hair > grizzly adams schtick.

[MadMax]

So he's going to retire then come out of retirement to sign with the Texans, and we trade D-Carr to Tampa for the draft pick. Simple enough.

Ok, please tell me why some here think it would be smart to draft B-Quinn? Am I the only one who believe's he's just another David Carr in the making?

i don't know if taking brady quinn is smart or not. but i think if he's there, the texans will take him.

[SirCharlesFan]

Breaking news update,

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2774098&postcount=35

:D

[wreck]

dammit....i thought I was first.... :(

[wreck]

I wonder what will end up happening.

This kind of news will just overshadow anything related to the rockets in the radiowaves. as if they need any more excuses to talk about football :rolleyes:

[percicles]

If he retired after finding out he was headed to the Bucs, I imagine he would have blown his brains out upon learning he was headed to the Texans.

[Lil Francis]

If he retired after finding out he was headed to the Bucs, I imagine he would have blown his brains out upon learning he was headed to the Texans.LMAO damn thats cold :D

[MadMax]

I wonder what will end up happening.

This kind of news will just overshadow anything related to the rockets in the radiowaves. as if they need any more excuses to talk about football :rolleyes:

790 is all Texans all the time. i know you guys were critical of 610 in the past, but that's just not the case anymore. they do Rockets reports...they talk Texans...and they talk Astros. seriously,greater than 80% of the talk time in my estimation is devoted to offseason Texans stuff on 790. you'd think they're the flagship station.

[Rox225]

Because people think he'll be a good qb in the nfl maybe?



No.

Wow, thanks for that insightful analysis. I just think this team would be better off trading down in the 10-15 range, pick up an extra draft choice, and take an OT or defensive player. That's if AP is not available at 8. Quinn is not the answer, and I'd much rather take Kolb in the 2 or 3rd round than take another QB in the 1st round.

[SuperYanthrax]

I'm a Broncos fan. Jake was servicable for a bit, got us to the playoffs for 3 years in a row, and was an improvement over Griese. But, when he had pressure put on him in the form of Cutler, he completely folded and became Jake the Mistake. If you want him as a stopgap solution, he might be OK. If you want him as a holdover before a young quarterback comes in... he'll probably just play like Jake the Mistake.

[MadMax]

I'm a Broncos fan. Jake was servicable for a bit, got us to the playoffs for 3 years in a row, and was an improvement over Griese. But, when he had pressure put on him in the form of Cutler, he completely folded and became Jake the Mistake. If you want him as a stopgap solution, he might be OK. If you want him as a holdover before a young quarterback comes in... he'll probably just play like Jake the Mistake.

except that expectations in denver and the expectations in houston are vastly different, at this point.

[Lil Francis]

Wow, thanks for that insightful analysis. I just think this team would be better off trading down in the 10-15 range, pick up an extra draft choice, and take an OT or defensive player. That's if AP is not available at 8. Quinn is not the answer, and I'd much rather take Kolb in the 2 or 3rd round than take another QB in the 1st round. But Quinn may not be just another quarterback. Knowing the Texans terrible drafting record if they trade down and take another stiff in the middle of the first round and Quinn goes on to several probowls down the road then people will say "See I told you we should have taken Brady Quinn". I agree that we need more players on defense but Brady Quinn could be a stud in maybe 2 or 3 years.

[MR. MEOWGI]

christian surfer hair

:confused: :D

[SwoLy-D]

WRONG FORUM.

This is JAKE PLUMMER news... not Texans', Astros', or Comets' or any other Houston Sports news...
Good. Now let's draft Kolb.

AGAIN, I say......everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

http://thetruthblog.home.comcast.net/Palpatine.jpg
YOU AGE WELL, ima. :D

Anyway... why is this in this forum??? And don't tell me this is related to the TEXANS.

[MadMax]

WRONG FORUM.

This is JAKE PLUMMER news... not Texans', Astros', or Comets' or any other Houston Sports news...

YOU AGE WELL, ima. :D

Anyway... why is this in this forum??? And don't tell me this is related to the TEXANS.

because Jake Plummer's name has been linked with the Texans all offseason. since before the offseason started, even.

[SuperYanthrax]

except that expectations in denver and the expectations in houston are vastly different, at this point.

Well, he was even able to meet the expectations in Denver for a bit, he led us to the playoffs for 3 years and got us to the AFC Championship game. But when faced with a rising young quarterback he knew was destined to take his place, he became Jake the Mistake.

I think he\'d do OK if he were placed in the same state he came to the Broncos in (i.e. he\'s the guy unquestioned, no rising young QB behind him). Of course, he\'s 32, so putting him in this situation is not good for any franchise.

[CriscoKidd]

Wow, thanks for that insightful analysis. I just think this team would be better off trading down in the 10-15 range, pick up an extra draft choice, and take an OT or defensive player. That's if AP is not available at 8. Quinn is not the answer, and I'd much rather take Kolb in the 2 or 3rd round than take another QB in the 1st round.

I aim to please. Kolb is not the answer. I'd much rather take linemen and defense in the 2nd and 3rd round than pass on a prospect like Quinn.

[tinman]

So he's going to retire then come out of retirement to sign with the Texans, and we trade D-Carr to Tampa for the draft pick. Simple enough.

Ok, please tell me why some here think it would be smart to draft B-Quinn? Am I the only one who believe's he's just another David Carr in the making?
Quinn played for an NFL Superbowl champion Offensive coordinator in college.

[SwoLy-D]

because Jake Plummer's name has been linked with the Texans all offseason. since before the offseason started, even.In that case, I will open a thread in the GARM about a GORDITA... because I ate one while I was watching the Rockets make a roster move... it's linked...

Dude. I was being sarcastic... I know that. :rolleyes: I'm not trying to be an ASS(although it may seem like I am) ... just wanted to throw some technicalities in here about some silly thread...

[WhoMikeJames]

Draft Brady Quinn please.

[Rox225]

Quinn played for an NFL Superbowl champion Offensive coordinator in college.

Your point being? How many big games did Brady Quinn win while in college? I don't want to gamble on another 1st round quarterback when there are so many other glaring holes on this team. O-Line is first priority bar none, he just doesn't seem "special" to me, and him playing for Charlie Weiss doesn't change that.

[MadMax]

Your point being? How many big games did Brady Quinn win while in college? I don't want to gamble on another 1st round quarterback when there are so many other glaring holes on this team. O-Line is first priority bar none, he just doesn't seem "special" to me, and him playing for Charlie Weiss doesn't change that.

i've been critical of brady quinn. but i could be persuaded.

and for all my criticism of him, i was really impressed with him during his junior year at ND.

[ima_drummer2k]

If you want him as a stopgap solution, he might be OK. If you want him as a holdover before a young quarterback comes in... he'll probably just play like Jake the Mistake.
What's the difference between a "stopgap solution" and a "holdover before a young QB comes in"? I thought they were pretty much the same thing.

[tinman]

Your point being? How many big games did Brady Quinn win while in college? I don't want to gamble on another 1st round quarterback when there are so many other glaring holes on this team. O-Line is first priority bar none, he just doesn't seem "special" to me, and him playing for Charlie Weiss doesn't change that.
Peyton Manning couldn't beat Florida.

There were a couple QBs last year that won big games. :p

[Dubious]

If the Houston Texans QB position is about mobility and decision making versus stand-in-the pocket passing, John Beck might be the best target in the draft. He blew away the combine in the agility drills. He's already 26 which could be seen as a positive to take over the team quicker or a negative in that he will have a shorter career after serving his apprenticeship to Sage. Plus he should still be available after we take 3 other position players.

[Lil Francis]

Your point being? How many big games did Brady Quinn win while in college? I don't want to gamble on another 1st round quarterback when there are so many other glaring holes on this team. O-Line is first priority bar none, he just doesn't seem "special" to me, and him playing for Charlie Weiss doesn't change that.Levi Brown could be a bust just as easily as Brady Quinn. Goes both ways. If Quinn is there at #8 you take him.

[JeopardE]

I aim to please. Kolb is not the answer. I'd much rather take linemen and defense in the 2nd and 3rd round than pass on a prospect like Quinn.

I'm way too wary of over-hyped, underperforming pretty boys like Quinn. After the failed experiment with Carr and the now obvious mistake of passing on VY, you'd think we would be determined to get someone who knows how to lead a team, is clutch and composed, intelligent, and mobile/athletic enough to excel in Kubiak's system. Just say no.

[Rox225]

Levi Brown could be a bust just as easily as Brady Quinn. Goes both ways. If Quinn is there at #8 you take him.

Very true, but Levi Brown IMO is the much safer pick. This franchise has never dedicated a high 1st round pick to an O-lineman, and I just feel we need that young anchor on the line. You don't take Brady Quinn unless you can guarantee that the cast around him is that much better than last year, and I don't think that's the case.

I will trust the new Texan's management to make the right choice, which I believe will be not to draft Brady Quinn if he's there.

[CriscoKidd]

you'd think we would be determined to get someone who knows how to lead a team, is clutch and composed, intelligent, and mobile/athletic enough to excel in Kubiak's system.

funny, because that describes quinn to the t.

[timwalters]

i want carr to stay...i like seeing him run like a chicken with its head cut off.. this team needs high draft picks and carrs screw ups gives us that.

[MadMax]

Very true, but Levi Brown IMO is the much safer pick. This franchise has never dedicated a high 1st round pick to an O-lineman, and I just feel we need that young anchor on the line. You don't take Brady Quinn unless you can guarantee that the cast around him is that much better than last year, and I don't think that's the case.

I will trust the new Texan's management to make the right choice, which I believe will be not to draft Brady Quinn if he's there.

Really? I'm hearing Levi Brown is lazy. That he takes way too many plays off.

Just because its an OL doesn't mean he's a safe pick at the top of the draft.

As John McLain said...if Brady Quinn is there at 8, I can't imagine the Texans passing him up.

[stevel]

People have been making too big a deal about Quinn losing big games. Most QBs struggle against really good defenses - period. Brady played horribly against the Chargers this year in the playoffs - if McCree falls down after intercepting Brady (his fourth int of the day - should have been 5 if Hart had any hands) the Pats lose. As another poster said earlier Peyton couldn't win the big one in college either. I am big ND fan and have been since the Lou Holtz days in mid 80s. I knew Mirer would be a bust, I knew Powlus wouldn't do anything either, but Quinn has the skills to be a good to great QB in the NFL. I am not sure if he will get there because alot of the things can screw young QBs up in the growth process, but he has the skills and ability.

That being said, I would also like the Texans to take a look at Beck. Good mobility, good arm, and seems intelligent, but his age may cause him to fall in the draft to the 3-4 rounds. This would allow us to pick up some playmakers in the first couple of rounds to help in the very near future.