If the Texans pull off the Carr/#8/extra pick for the Browns #3...

[bchapman101]

Who would you rather we draft?

Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson?

I vote Johnson.

[rezdawg]

If I had to choose between the two, then I go with Calvin.

I'd hate to do that trade though.

[hatemavs4life]

Arguably you're getting great talent value getting either CJ or AP but, I think AP can potentially make a far greater impact on our offense than CJ. So based on that, plus AP is a flat-out pit bull, bulldog competitor. We get AP you will see a lot of smiles here locally. Very slim chance that AP becomes anything but a superstar.

Calvin Johnson had a great season but, when he went to the bowl game, he basically got shut out of the offense. AP did little vs Boise State but did get a big TD run in OT to temporarily give the Sooners the lead 42-35.

Thus, I pick AP.

[bchapman101]

Arguably you're getting great talent value getting either CJ or AP but, I think AP can potentially make a far greater impact on our offense than CJ. So based on that, plus AP is a flat-out pit bull, bulldog competitor. We get AP you will see a lot of smiles here locally. Very slim chance that AP becomes anything but a superstar.

Calvin Johnson had a great season but, when he went to the bowl game, he basically got shut out of the offense. AP did little vs Boise State but did get a big TD run in OT to temporarily give the Sooners the lead 42-35.

Thus, I pick AP.

Well, you have good reasoning. However, Johnson didnt get shut out of that game. He dominated. 9 catches for 186 yards and 2 TD's. 6'6' 235 pounds, 4.35 in the forty, 40 inch vertical, and catches everything thrown to him. He is like one of those video game players you can create and he has every category maxed out.

[geeimsobored]

Arguably you're getting great talent value getting either CJ or AP but, I think AP can potentially make a far greater impact on our offense than CJ. So based on that, plus AP is a flat-out pit bull, bulldog competitor. We get AP you will see a lot of smiles here locally. Very slim chance that AP becomes anything but a superstar.

Calvin Johnson had a great season but, when he went to the bowl game, he basically got shut out of the offense. AP did little vs Boise State but did get a big TD run in OT to temporarily give the Sooners the lead 42-35.

Thus, I pick AP.

CJ was great in the bowl game, especially considering GT's backup QB was running the show. (although that's somewhat compensated by the fact that they played west virginia's secondary which is just awful and he was replacing Reggie Ball who isn't exactly Peyton Manning)

They lost that game because Pat White just willed WVU to victory. But Johnson was everything and more.

[hatemavs4life]

CJ was great in the bowl game, especially considering GT's backup QB was running the show. (although that's somewhat compensated by the fact that they played west virginia's secondary which is just awful and he was replacing Reggie Ball who isn't exactly Peyton Manning)

They lost that game because Pat White just willed WVU to victory. But Johnson was everything and more.

Ok my bad, that's just what I heard. Must have been a regular season game in conference I heard about or something. My mistake. Evenstill, I think AP's impact would supercede even albeit slightly that of CJ's but Johnson has freakish talent ability written all over him. Either way we would be good. :D

[Achilleus]

The thread title, "If the Texans pull off the Carr/#8/extra pick for the Browns #3..." makes this seem like a real rumor out there.

Has this been mentioned in the media?

[CriscoKidd]

The thread title, "If the Texans pull off the Carr/#8/extra pick for the Browns #3..." makes this seem like a real rumor out there.

Has this been mentioned in the media?

it has. Saw a blurb in a cleveland paper about it. But it's still unlikely to happen.

[HillBoy]

I love science fiction...

[DaDakota]

Adrian Peterson....give me a stud RB who touches the ball 25 times a game versus a stud Receiver who touches it 8 or so......

More impact.

DD

[weslinder]

I'd rather that they didn't make the trade in any situation. But if they trade up for anyone other than Joe Thomas, I'll throw something.

[notafaker1997]

No way that deal would be on the table. With the lack of ability to showcase Carr talent when he was here because the resistence to try to improve the offensive line. We won't get anything higher than a 4th round draft pick for Carr. Think about it all the Oilers got for Warren Moon was a 4th round pick and the NFL teams value thier pics more now of days than they did then. If they trade Carr and sign jake Plummer they shouldn't draft a QB in this draft they should wait a year because they will have the number 1 pick in next years draft. Listen people I've said it once before and I will say it again Jake Plummer SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

[robbie380]

Who would you rather we draft?

Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson?

I vote Johnson.

and this would be the worst draft ever if we did that. geez...have you learned anything by watching the lions?

[weslinder]

and this would be the worst draft ever if we did that. geez...have you learned anything by watching the lions?

Or the Cardinals for that matter.

[texanskan]

Adrian Peterson....give me a stud RB who touches the ball 25 times a game versus a stud Receiver who touches it 8 or so......

More impact.

DD

DaDa, also when we sign Lelie we will have AJ number 1 Lelie number 2 and a guy who I think will be a stud slot guy in Walter. not to mention Mathis could also develop into a guy who you can put out there and strecth the field.

In this senario I'll take Peterson and then use a middle round pick on a qb to develop and other than one pick on ol I use the rest on defense.

[MadMax]

and this would be the worst draft ever if we did that. geez...have you learned anything by watching the lions?

Calvin Johnson is different.

i think Calvin is the most sure thing in this draft. this isn't Charles Rogers.

[bottlerocket]

I like Peterson a lot but Johnson is probably the only sure thing in the draft.
Either way you will have a potent offense even if it is Carr/Sage/Kolb pulling the trigger. I go with Peterson though.

[Lil Francis]

I would take AP. Atleast you have a good wideout already(A.J) but we have nothing at runningback.If I can get a franchise back i'll take him anyday over a franchise wideout.

[meh]

Peterson would be great value at #8, but I seriously doubt it at #3. If the Texans ever get to that positon(something I'm against personally as we need all the picks we have), the only two players to choose from are Joe Thomas and Calvin Johnson. Pick anyone else and I'd be seriously pissed.

[Dubious]

So, you are assuming Joe Thomas goes at #2 ?

[Groogrux]

So, you are assuming Joe Thomas goes at #2 ?

Since they just traded for Tatum Bell, I'd assume the Lions wouldn't take AP.

[CriscoKidd]

so everyone assumes Jamarcus is a lock to go number one now?

I don't think that's anywhere close to being the case just yet. I could definitely see them picking JT or CJ.

[OldManBernie]

so everyone assumes Jamarcus is a lock to go number one now?

I don't think that's anywhere close to being the case just yet. I could definitely see them picking JT or CJ.

Supposedly, the new Raiders coach demanded the team to draft Jamarcus before he was hired. I'm not sure if that has been confirmed, but I'd say it's a 75% possibility the Raiders pick Jamarcus.

[robbie380]

Calvin Johnson is different.

i think Calvin is the most sure thing in this draft. this isn't Charles Rogers.


when is the last time a WR helped turn a team around? Calvin Johnson is a verified bad ass, but this team doesn't need wide outs with a number 1 pick. WR's are complementary players.

[stevel]

There is a mockdraft website (might be eastcoastsportsnews.com) posting a rumor that the Packers may send A. Rogers to the Raiders for Moss. If that is the case you have to think the Raiders would take C.Johnson ( I'd take him anyway with the first pick but that is just me). The same site postulated that with the Lions getting Foster and Bell in the deal they may shy away from Thomas at number two and target Gaines, either pick him at 2 or try to trade back, as their pass rush is terrible and Marrinelli is a "tampa 2" coach and that system requires getting pressure on the QB mainly from the front 4. The top ten of the draft may end looking totally different from all the mocks if things shake out this way.

[CriscoKidd]

Supposedly, the new Raiders coach demanded the team to draft Jamarcus before he was hired. I'm not sure if that has been confirmed, but I'd say it's a 75% possibility the Raiders pick Jamarcus.

No dissrespect intended, but that seems like really far-fetched speculation.

Remember when everyone thought Bush or VY was a lock to Houston? This lock seems a lot less likely to me.

[CriscoKidd]

when is the last time a WR helped turn a team around? Calvin Johnson is a verified bad ass, but this team doesn't need wide outs with a number 1 pick. WR's are complementary players.

Randy, and TO are really the only wrs in the league with that kind of ability. Maybe Steve Smith too.

I think a lot of people are hoping that's what CJ brings to the table in the NFL, w/o the cancerous attitude.

[Major]

Supposedly, the new Raiders coach demanded the team to draft Jamarcus before he was hired. I'm not sure if that has been confirmed, but I'd say it's a 75% possibility the Raiders pick Jamarcus.

I think this is probably an innaccurate rumor. First off, no owner or coach is going to commit to a prospect without having gone through interviews, workouts, etc. It makes no sense. If I was hiring a coach with that kind of demand, I'd think less of him as a coach. But more importantly, this dude is something like 32 years old? He's lucky to have a head coaching gig in the NFL - he's not really in a position to be making demands as though he has other job offers sitting there. It would be one thing if it was Parcells or Cowher or anyone with a lot of credibility, but not Lane Kiffin.

[Groogrux]

Wonder if Detroit would be interested in trading down? Carr/8th/other pick for second. Then we'd have our choice between Thomas and AP. (cue the they'd take Alan Branch comments)

[CriscoKidd]

Wonder if Detroit would be interested in trading down? Carr/8th/other pick for second. Then we'd have our choice between Thomas and AP. (cue the they'd take Alan Branch comments)

It is Detroit, so who knows. Have to approach Millen like it was a Francis/Cato/mobes trade.

Former #1 overall pick Joey Harr- er, David Carr, + pro bowl wr(that is his position, damn it) Jerome Mathis, + 2 number 1 picks in Travis Johnson and Babin(who and what?) all for the low low price of 6 draft slots.

[bigboymumu]

We should be trading down not up.

[WhoMikeJames]

Adrian Peterson will help this team a lot more in the future than CJ IMO.

[WhoMikeJames]

so everyone assumes Jamarcus is a lock to go number one now?

I don't think that's anywhere close to being the case just yet. I could definitely see them picking JT or CJ.

I think the Raiders are most likely going to get Russel at 1 and Joe Thomas goes at 2 and if we trade for 3 we will end up with either Calvin or Adrian.

[timwalters]

we are not trading up. that was just some pipe dream.

smith said he wants to get a guy that can score from all points on the field...that would mean reciever or rb...ap and calvin will be gone. that leaves lynch or ginn jr. gin jr is at 8th..lynch would be a trade down scenario...they are definately trying to get the fans back. getting a fat slob OT at 8th isnt going to get the crowd buzzing....getting ginn jr, then kolb in 2nd will.

[hatemavs4life]

Just wanted to give this thread a shred of significance ... Bantering around on Mock Draft boards I found the following link ...

http://www.gbnreport.com/2007projection.html

And for all those hungering for a gazillion different opinions on the draft check ou this site. It's the motherlode. :D

http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

Man, if only this Clev/Hou trade could come true. Kill two birds with one stone. Carr is gone (we get better) and we get AP! (we get a lot better!). :D

We'll see how this pans out I suppose ...

[weslinder]

I don't think anyone on this thread realizes how valuable of a trading piece David Carr is. Mike and Mike said this morning that David Carr is generally considered to be the most desirable quarterback that might change teams. They said that some GM's and coaches salivate at the possibility that he might be available. (Granted, Golic is an unabashed Carr apologist, but he acts like he's actually talked to people.) The idea is that many coaches still see a ton of potential in Carr. Regardless of the fact that I think this trade was completely made up, it's still a ridiculously bad trade. Other teams would be willing to give up picks or even a decent player to get Carr. There's no way the Texans give up a pick to get rid of him.

[SamFisher]

I don't think anyone on this thread realizes how valuable of a trading piece David Carr is. Mike and Mike said this morning that David Carr is generally considered to be the most desirable quarterback that might change teams. They said that some GM's and coaches salivate at the possibility that he might be available. (Granted, Golic is an unabashed Carr apologist, but he acts like he's actually talked to people.) The idea is that many coaches still see a ton of potential in Carr. Regardless of the fact that I think this trade was completely made up, it's still a ridiculously bad trade. Other teams would be willing to give up picks or even a decent player to get Carr. There's no way the Texans give up a pick to get rid of him.

I don't think you realize how low the trade value of pricy veterans is in the NFL.

It's low, very very low.

[weslinder]

I don't think you realize how low the trade value of pricy veterans is in the NFL.

It's low, very very low.

Carr isn't like other "pricey veterans". He's young, and he's still generally considered to have a ton of potential. It's not unlike the Rockets signing Stromile Swift after 5 years of no production just because the potential was still there.

[kaleidosky]

Calvin Johnson is different.

i think Calvin is the most sure thing in this draft. this isn't Charles Rogers.

Thank you for being intelligent ;)

The Texans need a RB. But jesus, if CJ is available...you have NO choice!! He's gonna tear this league up... no matter who's running the show.


And yeah, hatemavs...if your original post was based on random things you heard, then have you watched any of CJ's games? If not, you're missing out.. and you're making statements without knowledge. I think you'd change your mind..

[Possum]

I would take CJ over Andre Johnson right now. I have been talking him up since before last years draft. He is a better prospect than Bush or Young put together. He is the player that Bush was hyped to be last year. Once in a decade type player that every team in the NFL will wish they traded the farm for. He will still be playing in pro bowl games years after Peterson retires.

[bchapman101]

I would take CJ over Andre Johnson right now. I have been talking him up since before last years draft. He is a better prospect than Bush or Young put together. He is the player that Bush was hyped to be last year. Once in a decade type player that every team in the NFL will wish they traded the farm for. He will still be playing in pro bowl games years after Peterson retires.

Precisely

[hatemavs4life]

Thank you for being intelligent ;)

And yeah, hatemavs...if your original post was based on random things you heard, then have you watched any of CJ's games? If not, you're missing out.. and you're making statements without knowledge. I think you'd change your mind..

Your viewpoint is noted. I saw some clips, highlights, few games with CJ. I admit it. Since AP is in the Big 12, our main conference here in Texas, I have seen far more of AP the last few years so in that respect I am probably a little biased in my viewpoint. AP's potential to be a star in the league is flat out scary but, there is no arguing one also who has freak of nature ability in CJ.

Yeah, Kaleidosky for the record I admit to talking out of my ass on this one, sh*t happens. :D

[kaleidosky]

Your viewpoint is noted. I saw some clips, highlights, few games with CJ. I admit it. Since AP is in the Big 12, our main conference here in Texas, I have seen far more of AP the last few years so in that respect I am probably a little biased in my viewpoint. AP's potential to be a star in the league is flat out scary but, there is no arguing one also who has freak of nature ability in CJ.

Yeah, Kaleidosky for the record I admit to talking out of my ass on this one, sh*t happens. :D

hahaha, and you're redeemed completely ;)

[pradaxpimp]

Well, you have good reasoning. However, Johnson didnt get shut out of that game. He dominated. 9 catches for 186 yards and 2 TD's. 6'6' 235 pounds, 4.35 in the forty, 40 inch vertical, and catches everything thrown to him. He is like one of those video game players you can create and he has every category maxed out.

I heard his kicking accuracy is a 13 though. Some superstar he is.

[SamFisher]

Carr isn't like other "pricey veterans". He's young, and he's still generally considered to have a ton of potential. It's not unlike the Rockets signing Stromile Swift after 5 years of no production just because the potential was still there.

He's 28. Joey Porter just got released at age 29. I know the lifespan of each position is differnt, but it shows how low current playrs are valued in the NFL, even if they are accomplished superstars.

A 3rd or 4th round draft pick is the absolute maximum you'll get for him. THere's a reason why NFL teams don't trade very much compared to other sports - there's simply not much of a market for other people's trash when it destroys your salary cap.

[trifecta333]

Are there still any rumors about the Raiders being interested in David Carr? Do you guys think that they might settle for this:

Texans- 1st rd. #8th pick, 2nd rd. #8th pick, and David Carr
FOR
Raiders- 1st rd. #1 pick

If this were to happen the Texans obviously would choose JaMarcus Russell; while the Raiders hope that all Carr needed was a change of enviroment and also he is somewhat of a 'hometown' guy. The Raiders will still have a shot at getting a good player who can contribute to the team at the #8 pick and will also have two high second round picks to use. If the Texans take this route then they will have to hope that Domanick Williams (previously known as Davis) will return to his prior form before injuries and surgeries.

Probably is a little far fetched, but who knows. :confused:

What do you guys think?

[hatemavs4life]

Are there still any rumors about the Raiders being interested in David Carr? Do you guys think that they might settle for this:

Texans- 1st rd. #8th pick, 2nd rd. #8th pick, and David Carr
FOR
Raiders- 1st rd. #1 pick

If this were to happen the Texans obviously would choose JaMarcus Russell; while the Raiders hope that all Carr needed was a change of enviroment and also he is somewhat of a 'hometown' guy. The Raiders will still have a shot at getting a good player who can contribute to the team at the #8 pick and will also have two high second round picks to use. If the Texans take this route then they will have to hope that Domanick Williams (previously known as Davis) will return to his prior form before injuries and surgeries.

Probably is a little far fetched, but who knows. :confused:

What do you guys think?

Not a bad thought but, giving them all that is a little much. If we could secure their 3rd rounder in addition then, this would be a good trade. :D Maybe throw in DW with a conditional pick attached for next year you know, like a 4th rounder that can be upgraded to a 2nd rounder so long as certain conditions are made. ;) Just a thought.