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msn
02-28-2007, 10:20 PM
link (http://www.khou.com/sports/stories/khou070228_cc_ensberg.74a9f80.html)

Every day after mid-June, Morgan Ensberg woke up hoping the pain in his right shoulder had gone away.

But it was always there, preventing him from raising his arm above his head and throbbing every time the Houston Astros third baseman swung a bat or threw a ball.

Ensberg never told the team how badly he was hurting. He admits now that the injury caused the least productive of his four full years in the major leagues.

"It was a very difficult season," Ensberg said. "It affected everything. The arm hurt throwing, the arm hurt swinging. It was something I was unable to overcome."

Ensberg tore a tendon diving for a foul ball on June 9. He missed five games before doctors gave him the go-ahead to return.

"They said that even by continuing to throw or hit, I wasn't going to continue to tear the tendon in any way," he said. "When I hear that, I hear that I'm fine."

But Ensberg was never the same and went on the disabled list in July. He came back in August and finished the season with a career-low .235 average and only 58 RBIs.

"The thing I think I did a poor job of was recognizing the amount of pain and how much it was affecting my performance on the field," he said. "With hindsight, you look back and realize you were hurting the team. You also hurt yourself."

Ensberg spent the offseason resting the shoulder and it finally started feeling normal again in January.

An All-Star in 2005, Ensberg regrets not being more forthcoming with the team about how limited he was last year.

"After the fact, it looks very clear," he said. "But when you're out there and you're doing it, you're trying to survive and play the best you can. You don't have the luxury of stepping back and looking at it."

Manager Phil Garner said he asked Ensberg repeatedly how he was feeling and Ensberg always said he was OK. But Garner understands how difficult it can be for a player to admit he's too injured to play.

"We talk out of both sides of our mouths, meaning managers and baseball executives," Garner said. "We want guys to be tough, but then when we're tough, we say, 'Oh, gee whiz, we don't want you to be tough when it perhaps hurts the team or the production.'

"How is a player supposed to know?" Garner said. "I don't fault him for that, so much."

Garner noticed as the 2006 season wore on, Ensberg swung less. He led the team with 101 walks, but that's not what Garner needs from a player who hit .283 with 36 homers and 101 RBIs in 2005.

"Morgan's got to swing the bat," Garner said. "For whatever reason that he wasn't swinging the bat, whether it was injury or that he got into too selective a mode, it was not good for him in terms of his power production."

It wasn't good for the team, either. The Astros had the NL's worst batting average in 2006 and were shut out 13 times.

Ensberg kept playing -- and struggling -- batting .209 in August with only one home run. He said it wasn't ego, but his upbringing, that kept him from admitting he was playing in pain.

"My intentions were all pure," he said. "I come from a Norwegian background. You don't complain. You work. And that's it. You suck it up and you do it, because that's what you do."

Astros hitting coach Sean Berry said the injury altered Ensberg's swing plane to the point where he stopped making clean contact.

"Without full strength in that right shoulder, it was hard for him to keep the barrel of the bat high enough and he was coming underneath it," Berry said. "He was just missing the ball, very slightly."

Ensberg arrived at spring training with a healthy shoulder and a shaggy beard, but he said there's no superstition attached to the facial hair. He wishes he could regain his hitting stroke simply by changing his physical appearance.

"I'm not superstitious whatsoever. I don't believe in luck at all," he said. "I am very routine oriented. But I do not believe that if I put my uniform on in a certain way, that that is going to somehow translate into success on the field. If it was that easy, I'd do it."

Notes:@ C Hector Gimenez is to have surgery Monday in Houston to repair a torn lambrum in his right shoulder. Gimenez was competing against Humberto Quintero and Brad Ausmus to be the Astros backup catcher behind Brad Ausmus. Garner said the 24-year-old Gimenez will likely sit out the season. ... RHP Woody Williams will start the Astros' spring training opener against Cleveland on Thursday in Winter Haven. RHP Roy Oswalt will start Friday's game against Detroit.

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Hey Mo: can it with the "Now I realize..." crap. This ain't your first dance. You've pulled this "I didn't think it was that bad" crap before. Here's a hint from somone who wishes he had 1/10 of your talent: if you can't lift your hand above your shoulder, get your ass to the doctor.

And, thanks to Phil for pointing out what many of us said about Mo "suck it up" Ensberg all year last year: you need your RBI guys to put the bat on the ball, not sit there with the bat on the shoulder.

More of that crap from Mo this year, and he should either bat 2nd or sit his ass on the bench while Loretta plays third.

JaWindex
02-28-2007, 10:23 PM
I really hope he comes back into form. He's my favorite 'stro and it was painful for me (and just about everyone else) to watch him bat so poorly last year. Here's to a good year for our guys.

msn
02-28-2007, 10:37 PM
I like him and he irritates me all at the same time. Here's to another "breakout" year for Mo.

And, here's to Garner not listening to him at all if he looks hurt. Dude shouldn't have anyone's trust in that department by now.

tested911
02-28-2007, 10:42 PM
I Call BS on being hurt... And yeah yeah you don't know that blah blah blah well you don't know if he wasn't hurt either...

if it's true great now prove it... I'm not expecting all star numbers but you better be close :)

The Cat
02-28-2007, 11:10 PM
I Call BS on being hurt... And yeah yeah you don't know that blah blah blah well you don't know if he wasn't hurt either...

Well, you rarely know anything with these types of situations, but it's a lot more logical to not assume someone's lying unless you have evidence of it.

A-Train
02-28-2007, 11:25 PM
He's washed up. He wasn't good enough to make it to the majors full time until age 27, and now he's 32 and has only played four full seasons. The Astros got pretty much all the usefulness out of Ensberg that they're likely to get. If his injuries are legit, the Astros are better off getting some prospects for him.

The Cat
02-28-2007, 11:28 PM
He's washed up. He wasn't good enough to make it to the majors full time until age 27, and now he's 32 and has only played four full seasons. The Astros got pretty much all the usefulness out of Ensberg that they're likely to get. If his injuries are legit, the Astros are better off getting some prospects for him.

:confused:

He's a 3B with an OPS of .850 and up in three of his four seasons. His injury problems, by all documented reports, are over and done with. Why should they deal him?

BigM
03-01-2007, 12:08 AM
judging his past, this year he should be a monster. next year will be when he tanks again, so we should be able to get something while his stock is again high after cranking 40 homers.

Aceshigh7
03-01-2007, 12:17 AM
:confused:

He's a 3B with an OPS of .850 and up in three of his four seasons. His injury problems, by all documented reports, are over and done with. Why should they deal him?

Remember his slump during the last couple of months of 05? That was supposed to be injury related too, and that was all supposed to be behind him in 06. Well, you saw how 06 turned out.

msn
03-01-2007, 12:23 AM
Remember his slump during the last couple of months of 05? That was supposed to be injury related too, and that was all supposed to be behind him in 06. Well, you saw how 06 turned out.
And, he gave the same rhetoric after that slump: "well, now I know better... I was only hurting the team..." Poppycock. This guy doesn't know when he's hurt or he doesn't feel secure enough in his job to admit it.

Enjoy the monster season this year if it comes, then trade his ass.

kaleidosky
03-01-2007, 05:02 AM
And, he gave the same rhetoric after that slump: "well, now I know better... I was only hurting the team..." Poppycock. This guy doesn't know when he's hurt or he doesn't feel secure enough in his job to admit it.

Enjoy the monster season this year if it comes, then trade his ass.

i tend to agree...but he really could have matured. I don't think it's a matter of knowing--I think it's the other thing you said--feeling secure about his job. Hopefully he's really figured outhow much he hurt the team now (esp. since we didn't have team success even with him playing like crap) and won't ever do that crap again

Nick
03-01-2007, 08:17 AM
Remember his slump during the last couple of months of 05? That was supposed to be injury related too, and that was all supposed to be behind him in 06. Well, you saw how 06 turned out.

he was hit in the freaking hand by a pitch in 05... 06 was a completly different set of injuries/mental issues (after his torrid April/early may), but he was as big a part of keeping our anemic offense afloat in 2005 as anybody else.

NJRocket
03-01-2007, 09:59 AM
What do you expect the guy to do? Whine about his injury? Maybe he really likes it here and saw the writing on the wall and figured the only way to help himself was to go out there and try to make it work.

If he plays healthy this year, we have a 3B who can and will hit 25-30 hrs and drive in 80-90 runs...not to mention comprise 1/2 of the best defensive left side of the infield in the league imo.

leroy420
03-01-2007, 10:12 AM
The only shame of him not saying anything is that he could have been moved to the 2 spot and it might have made a difference. With the walks, he could have scored over 100 runs, too.

If he's truly healthy, I think he will be back. Not necessarily what he did in 2005, but I can see .280/25-30 hr/90 rbi.

texanskan
03-01-2007, 10:13 AM
Well we need him to bounce back because the Stros need to get off to a good start but come playoff time or just a key late season at bat I don't trust this guy. Really I only trust Berkman and we are gonna have some bench guys (loretta, lamb, palmero) who should come through. Other than Ensberg the key is having Scott do it for the entire season.

Buck Turgidson
03-01-2007, 10:26 AM
The only shame of him not saying anything is that he could have been moved to the 2 spot and it might have made a difference. With the walks, he could have scored over 100 runs, too.
The '06 Astros offense desperately needed Mo to be the run producer he was in '05. Hitting him 2nd wasn't going to solve any problems.

The '07 Astros offense has potentially a much more robust middle of the order, and if Ensberg struggles at the plate but is still drawing some walks, moving him to 2nd is a much better fit.

Garner has said as much already.

jakedasnake
03-01-2007, 10:27 AM
What do you expect the guy to do? Whine about his injury? Maybe he really likes it here and saw the writing on the wall and figured the only way to help himself was to go out there and try to make it work.

If he plays healthy this year, we have a 3B who can and will hit 25-30 hrs and drive in 80-90 runs...not to mention comprise 1/2 of the best defensive left side of the infield in the league imo.

I was wondering what fans thought of Mo's Defense when healthy. I think he has a very good defensive 3B and will continue to get better.

Buck Turgidson
03-01-2007, 10:45 AM
he was hit in the freaking hand by a pitch in 05...
The correct analogy is his '04 season, when he was plagued by a bum elbow (iirc), saw his power vanish, and didn't tell the Stros until after the season.

tested911
03-01-2007, 11:03 AM
Well, you rarely know anything with these types of situations, but it's a lot more logical to not assume someone's lying unless you have evidence of it.

Really? I thought it was more logical to BS and please the folks who are actually buying tickets? Its called PR and If I was the Astros Org. I would have said the same thing lol :D

rrj_gamz
03-01-2007, 11:11 AM
He better bounce back or I'll kick him in the nutz...:)...I'm really hoping we get a good, consistent season out of Morgan...

btw, the Cardinals suck...

Drewdog
03-01-2007, 02:24 PM
Thats just pure selfishness if he was hurt and continuing to play. Seriously, you are pissing off fans by trying to be Mr. Tuff Guy, and just going out there sucking it up every day.

If he can play, fine. If not then bring in Lamb.

msn
03-01-2007, 03:37 PM
The correct analogy is his '04 season, when he was plagued by a bum elbow (iirc), saw his power vanish, and didn't tell the Stros until after the season.
Thanks Buck; I knew it had happened more than once in his career but couldn't remember when.