Wali Lundy is looking promising!!!

[Zacatecas]

Boy that is almost an understatement.

For all of the talk that the Texans needed a first round running back, Wali Lundy is shutting up just about everyone, even ME!!!!!


I was and am of the philosophy that Defense seperates the Good team from the really good teams!! Essentially argo the old clichee "Defense wins championships".


However, I was a bit disappointed that the Texans didn't take Reggie Bush, "Even with all of his question marks about his size, while the increase of speed in the NFL". And Reggie isn't running past anyone!!! I think he's had his best games in Kick and punting returns. """He was drafted to be a fricken Running back""""!!!!


Now Wali is making the Texans decision to go with Williams all that much sweeter!!! Kubiak is a master talent evaluator!


And I didn't even bring Daniels into the talk, but he has been impressing me too! 5 touchdowns is nothing to sneeze at.

[Luckyazn]

Yeah just replace Carr and we'll be OK

[Zacatecas]

I think that Carr is a symbol of the demise of the old guard!!! The Capers led teams.

Carr was their boy and after everything fell apart, Carr became associated with them. It seems that the team doesn't try hard for Carr. He was the token boy of the old coaches. He wasn't a part of the guys!! He left practice and went home, never being a leader. And he has paid for it dearly with numerous sacks!!

How is it that Rage gets into the game and isn't sacked "ONE FRICKEN TIME"?

Because he inspires the guys around him. He is one of the guys. He isn't special.


Who wants to put their heart and soul in for a guys who has been treated differently his entire career? Obviously the Texans body language is saying not them!!! The only thing that says Carr is a Texan is his jersey, because the guys around him sure as heck just work with him, they don't play to win!!!

Carr's failure as a leader are coming full circle. All the RAGE is going to be the quarter back controvery soon to begin!!

[Zacatecas]

But, this is a Lundy Thread, let's keep it that and not taint it with Carr anymore ;)

[EddieWasSnubbed]

I've had faith in Lundy all year, and thought that he could be a nice pickup. I even bet someone that he'd have 100 yards rushing the first game of the year. :cool:


BUT, I haven't got to see him play yet in the regular season (last two games). How's he actually looking? Any youtube-type videos are appreciated.

[Fegwu]

Wali in just 5 games played, 3 starts, has ~ 54 rushes for 266 yards (> 4.3 yards per game).

Reg has rushed the ball ~ 71 for a total of 212 yards (~2.9 yards per)

Wali looks like a great find. And he is cheap too.

Our O-Line is getting better. Wali at this rate can hit the 700 yards mark if he plays every game from here on out even with only 50 yards a game fom him. With DD hopefully coming back next season, we could have a good one-two punch.

[Kam]

I think Reggie is better than Lundy.

But I'm glad we have Lundy. I'm just kinda pissed that he is finally getting some playing time. He should be starting, or atleast getting equal time with Gado. They can find another third running back somewhere because Ron Dayne is a fraud.



Davis might be done.

[Mr. Brightside]

RB had a terrible week 8. He happened to throw for 1 int (how does that happen) and two fumbles.

[giddyup]

It's another Kubiak-inspired, Denver tradition: find a quality RB down in the draft and make him productive.

[A_3PO]

This just in: Reggie Bush is looking more and more like a complete bust. At this point, he definitely ranks behind Vince and Mario.

[CaseyH]

I have both on my fantasy squad and I sure wish I would have started LundI instead of Bush.

[Mr. Clutch]

This just in: Reggie Bush is looking more and more like a complete bust. At this point, he definitely ranks behind Vince and Mario.

I'm not sure if he's behind Vince. Reggie can't run and Vince can't pass. (so far)

[twoface723]

I believe the best has been
1.Vince
2.Mario
3.Reggie
so far.Lundi has been great though.

[Major Malcontent]

1) Ryans
2) Lundy
3) Young
4) Williams
5) Bush

This is purely based on performance so far

[Mr. Clutch]

1) Ryans
2) Lundy
3) Young
4) Williams
5) Bush

This is purely based on performance so far

Vince Young's stats:
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
54 114 599 47.4 5.25 28 4 4 6 60.5

[robbie380]

so when do people start using the 'B' word for reggie bush?

calling jgreen....calling jgreen....

[Mr. Clutch]

Mario Williams- 3.5 sacks in last 4 games.

On pace for about 8 sacks and 35+ tackles.

[Saint Louis]

Where does D'Brickshaw fit into this? Isn't he starting for the Jets?

Of course hindsight is 20/20, but maybe the Texans should have gone for offensive line help. I will admit this, at this point those in favor of replacing Carr are looking right this morning at least. I'm still not sure I would have draft Vince Young, but I like what I have seen so far from Cutler and Leinart. Of course any of them behind a crappy line are going to play poorly. I'm wondering if Leinart is going to make it to the end of the year the way he is getting drill behind the sad excuse for an offensive line in Arizona.

[A_3PO]

I'm not sure if he's behind Vince. Reggie can't run and Vince can't pass. (so far)
Typically, rookie RBs hit the ground running (heh heh) compared to other positions. QBs typically don't do very well as rookies (some very good ones don't start or even play); WRs tend to break out in their 2nd year; good LBs tend to do well as rookies, though usually not as fast as Ryans; etc, etc. You get the point.

Vince has shown a lot of progress and improvement. Bush isn't getting any better. But, as you say, neither is very good right now. I like Mario over Bush; not sure yet on Mario over Vince.

[kevwun]

Reggie Bush wasn't a good in between the tackles runner in college, I don't know why people thought he would magically start doing it in the NFL.

[DaDakota]

This just in: Reggie Bush is looking more and more like a complete bust. At this point, he definitely ranks behind Vince and Mario.


Ehem...as some of us predicted......Metcalf anyone?

DD

[Icehouse]

so when do people start using the 'B' word for reggie bush?

calling jgreen....calling jgreen....

Dude, he only responds when Bush has a solid game. I thought everyone knew that by now. ;)

[Rocket River]

Lundy, Mario, DeMarco nor Vince
play the same position as a PRO-BOWL Caliber person on their own team
N.O. is working hard to just get him on the field
cause THE DUECE IS LOOSE!

I just wanted to put that Caveat out there

I was never overly impressed with Bush

Rocket River

[Rocket River]

I was a bit miffed that the great TALENT EVALUATOR
was still giving DAYNE the Ball so often

DAYNE is a Full back . . and I don't mean Mike Alstott
Get ya big *ss in there and be a lead blocker ./ . . . PERIOD!!
:mad:

Rocket River

[Icehouse]

Lundy, Mario, DeMarco nor Vince
play the same position as a PRO-BOWL Caliber person on their own team
N.O. is working hard to just get him on the field
cause THE DUECE IS LOOSE!

I just wanted to put that Caveat out there

I was never overly impressed with Bush

Rocket River

I would go witht hat logic. However, that still doesn't explain his piss poor rushing when he does get attempts. Look at the other rookie RB's for comparison, most of which are also splitting time.

[Rocket River]

I would go witht hat logic. However, that still doesn't explain his piss poor rushing when he does get attempts. Look at the other rookie RB's for comparison, most of which are also splitting time.

I'm no Reggie Apologist . . . I still think . . if he works are
if he keeps his head on straight. . he might be a Poor Man's
Warrick Dunn or Tiki Barber . [Two of my favorite players there]


In fact I'm more impress by that Kid the Colts pulled out of no where
It is like Edge never left
[Then again they got a hell of a line]

Rocket River

[Fegwu]

Reggie Bush wasn't a good in between the tackles runner in college, I don't know why people thought he would magically start doing it in the NFL.

Interesting point. We all fell in love with his electric pace and speed. We thought it would transfer very easily at the pros level. So far his speed has not fooled anyone.

SAINT, why should we have considered D'Brick? Our O-Line is better than given credit so far. Our O-Line is good enough imho. We still need help more on defense.

[DaDakota]

Interesting point. We all fell in love with his electric pace and speed. We thought it would transfer very easily at the pros level. So far his speed has not fooled anyone.

Not everyone fell in love with Bush, a lot of us were pointing out that on the two most important plays in the national championship game he was on the bench.

Speed is great, but you have to be more than a burner to play RB in the pros.

Reggie is a scat back.....and he is not as tough as Brian Westbrook which is the ultimate scat back.

Gale Sayers....ROFLMAO....some people compared him to Gale Sayers....I TOLD YOU that a Gale Sayers type player can not thrive in today's NFL.....everyone is fast now, when Sayers played...hardly anyone was fast.

DD

[hatemavs4life]

This just in: Reggie Bush is looking more and more like a complete bust. At this point, he definitely ranks behind Vince and Mario.


Wow, dont let jgreen91 get wind of this. He'll freak. :eek:

He'll start to shake ... shimmy ... crack up, ok PANIC! LOL. :D

Seriously, that dude has issues, he idolizes the ground Reggie walks on. :rolleyes:

FACE IT, RIGHT NOW HE'S A POOR MAN'S ERIC METCALF! And that's the fact, jack. :cool:

[Stack24]

I really think Wali is going to be good in this system as Kubiak has proven with a ton of no-name backs out of college.

On the topic of Reggie, he is not even close to the top tier of rookie running backs this season. He has 1 punt return touchdown to his name and nothing more.

[hatemavs4life]

I really think Wali is going to be good in this system as Kubiak has proven with a ton of no-name backs out of college.

On the topic of Reggie, he is not even close to the top tier of rookie running backs this season. He has 1 punt return touchdown to his name and nothing more.

Yeah, Wali is looking good. He gets a 100 on the G-Men then we REALLY have something special here. :D :cool:

I really like how he is learning the nuances of waiting on and reading blocks and knowing when to burst out. Really impressive. ;) :D

[Stack24]

Yeah, Wali is looking good. He gets a 100 on the G-Men then we REALLY have something special here. :D :cool:

I really like how he is learning the nuances of waiting on and reading blocks and knowing when to burst out. Really impressive. ;) :D


For the offensive line we have he is doing a good job. At least he is gaining more yards than David Carr which our other 2 running backs could not do in a few games. We'll see how he does this week but i think his progress is a good sign for our running game.

[jgreen91]

Wow, dont let jgreen91 get wind of this. He'll freak. :eek:

He'll start to shake ... shimmy ... crack up, ok PANIC! LOL. :D

Seriously, that dude has issues, he idolizes the ground Reggie walks on. :rolleyes:

FACE IT, RIGHT NOW HE'S A POOR MAN'S ERIC METCALF! And that's the fact, jack. :cool:

I'll hold off judgement after one game against the Baltimore defense. Reggie rushed for more yards than Deuce by the way. The Baltimore D is tough. The Saints were down early and they really didn't rush the ball at all, had to throw to try to get back in the game. Lundy looks good, but i'd like to see what he does against Baltimore before i'd compare the two. Plus, Lundy is a starting RB for us. Bush is a backup RB/Receiver. Not an equal comparison. Where would Lundy be if we had Deuce?

I realize Bush hasn't run the ball as well as I thought he would, I don't want to get into a big debate about it. Aside from all that, the offensive rookie of the year right now is Colston. He's tearing it up.

[SamFisher]

1) Ryans
2) Lundy
3) Young
4) Williams
5) Bush

This is purely based on performance so far

AJ Hawk has been very good this year; D'Brickashaw Ferguson has been solid too; they are arguably the two best rookies.

[A_3PO]

I'll hold off judgement after one game against the Baltimore defense. Reggie rushed for more yards than Deuce by the way. The Baltimore D is tough. The Saints were down early and they really didn't rush the ball at all, had to throw to try to get back in the game. Lundy looks good, but i'd like to see what he does against Baltimore before i'd compare the two. Plus, Lundy is a starting RB for us. Bush is a backup RB/Receiver. Not an equal comparison. Where would Lundy be if we had Deuce?

I realize Bush hasn't run the ball as well as I thought he would, I don't want to get into a big debate about it. Aside from all that, the offensive rookie of the year right now is Colston. He's tearing it up.
I just found out you are the "resident Bush defender" :) . Seriously, don't you consider him a huge disappointment so far? As a running back, his future seems questionable. I think he's the type of player a winning team needs, but it's very doubtful he will ever be a franchise-type player. What do you think?

[Rocket River]

AJ Hawk has been very good this year; D'Brickashaw Ferguson has been solid too; they are arguably the two best rookies.

THAT IS WHO I WAS MISSING!!
Where is Hawk? I have not heard anything about him
But
I had expect him to do well

Rocket River

[SamFisher]

THAT IS WHO I WAS MISSING!!
Where is Hawk? I have not heard anything about him
But
I had expect him to do well

Rocket River

Hawk is in Green Bay and had a monster game two sundays ago, not sure what he did yesterday.

[gucci888]

Plus, Lundy is a starting RB for us. Bush is a backup RB/Receiver. Not an equal comparison. Where would Lundy be if we had Deuce?

Bush
2nd Overall Pick
70 Rushes for 212 Yards
0 Rushing TDs

Lundy
170th Overall Pick
54 Rushes for 266 Yards
1 Rushing TD

I realize Bush hasn't run the ball as well as I thought he would, I don't want to get into a big debate about it. Aside from all that, the offensive rookie of the year right now is Colston. He's tearing it up.

Sorry jgreen...you've talked way too much crap to anyone who didn't like Bush (apparently all of them being VY lovers) and hyped up Bush way too much to just "not want to debate about it" after he hasn't played well.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

With all apologies to Wali Lundy, and whomever started this thread, I have some questions about Reggie Bush:

1. If he is such an all-world Gale Sayers/Barry Sanders kinda back, why hasn't he beat out Deuce McAlister as the starting running back? That's what everyone expected...

2. For argument's sake, I'm gonna say that defensive ends accumulate sacks at about the same rate that running backs score touchdowns. So let's see.... 3 and a half sacks versus 0 rushing touchdowns? Hmmm? On top of that, Reggie Bush has had other opportunities, as a receiver and on special teams. Where are the touchdowns?

[IROC it]

Lundy may work out. May.

Bush may end up a Jerry Gray or Dante Hall more than a Metcalf (a KR/PR specialist).

[Buck Turgidson]

Jerry Gray?

[jgreen91]

Bush
2nd Overall Pick
70 Rushes for 212 Yards
0 Rushing TDs

Lundy
170th Overall Pick
54 Rushes for 266 Yards
1 Rushing

This isn't comparable. Bush isn't the starting RB so he isn't put in favorable situations when he rushes the ball. Its usually on 3rd down plays out of the shotgun, or toss sweeps to the outside. Starting running backs get carries on 1st and 2nd down in traditional running formations with traditional run blocking. Plus the defenses the saints have gone up against are are significantally better then the defenses Lundy has faced recently.

[ima_drummer2k]

Bush isn't the starting RB
Shouldn't someone who was supposed to be the best player in the draft at least crack the starting lineup? Once? Bush is the only player picked in the top ten that isn't starting for his team.

But he was the #2 RB on his college team too, so I guess he's used to it.

[Zacatecas]

Wali earned his way as a starter. Kubiak benched his REAR after he missed blocks at the beginning of the season.

To say that Wali is outperforming Bush because Wali is a starter and Bush is a backup is "HOT AIR!"


If the last 2 weeks had been reveresed and Bush would have had 93 yards then 116 yards the next week; everyone in the National Media would be gloating in the Texans faces!!! Right now the media is REAL QUIET. But they are just inching for when Bush has his next big game which in all likelyhood would be his first big game! Depending if you think a playmaker on kick returns qualifies him.


All and all, the Media is proving to Texans/Williams/Kubiak that eating crow isn't something they do in public. A shout out to Kubiak for selecting Williams a head of Bush. :D

[VesceySux]

Every single week since the start of the season, in my Sporting News magazine, there's been a Subway ad for Reggie Bush which lists his rushing and receiving stats for the preceding week (in bar graph format). This week, however, the bar graphs are gone. Now, in their place, it simply says "Check out all the latest Reggie Bush news at [insert web site here]". (Strangely enough, the "Reggie Bush Stat Tracker" header is still at the top, though.) Man, even Subway, who employs Jon freaking Lovitz to shill sandwiches, is embarrassed by Reggie's crappy stats. My, how the tide has turned.

[hatemavs4life]

I'll hold off judgement after one game against the Baltimore defense. Reggie rushed for more yards than Deuce by the way. The Baltimore D is tough. The Saints were down early and they really didn't rush the ball at all, had to throw to try to get back in the game. Lundy looks good, but i'd like to see what he does against Baltimore before i'd compare the two. Plus, Lundy is a starting RB for us. Bush is a backup RB/Receiver. Not an equal comparison. Where would Lundy be if we had Deuce?

I realize Bush hasn't run the ball as well as I thought he would, I don't want to get into a big debate about it. Aside from all that, the offensive rookie of the year right now is Colston. He's tearing it up.

Look, it's nothing personal but Bush is NOT earning his $64 Million paycheck day with his performances. Yeah B'More is the REAL deal. I think they are more likely to go to the Super Bowl than Peyton's group. They look REALLY good.

Bush is only getting a mulligan right now because Deuce, Drew, Horn and Colston are carrying that team. Colston has been UNBELIEVABLE!

[EddieWasSnubbed]

This isn't comparable. Bush isn't the starting RB so he isn't put in favorable situations when he rushes the ball. Its usually on 3rd down plays out of the shotgun, or toss sweeps to the outside. Starting running backs get carries on 1st and 2nd down in traditional running formations with traditional run blocking. Plus the defenses the saints have gone up against are are significantally better then the defenses Lundy has faced recently.
But you have to look at the "whys?" when you give this rhetoric. Just like I've said (and many others), why isn't Bush put in "favorable situations?"

It's because he's not even the best running back on his team. Something that a running back selected so high SHOULD be.

[Zacatecas]

Look, I'm not a Bush Hater or a nay sayer!!

But the only thing I want to get to is that Bush "is not", "was not" and "has never been" a can't miss talent.

As it is, he could go on to have a hall of fame career, he could surprise us all and challenge all of the rushing records and maybe even set them during his NFL career. But, the facts are that he has gotten off to a real slow start for the hype he came into the league with.


Continuously everyone you heard stated how Reggie was the only can't miss prospect in decades. How he was the best player to come into the NFL in 20 some odd years.


Reggie is talented with tremendous athleticism. But so was Metcalf, Hall, etc.

[gucci888]

This isn't comparable. Bush isn't the starting RB so he isn't put in favorable situations when he rushes the ball. Its usually on 3rd down plays out of the shotgun, or toss sweeps to the outside. Starting running backs get carries on 1st and 2nd down in traditional running formations with traditional run blocking. Plus the defenses the saints have gone up against are are significantally better then the defenses Lundy has faced recently.

You went from bashing everyone that didn't like Bush to making excuses for the guy.

Like others have posted, why is it that Bush, the so-called "greatest prospect to ever come out," the next Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers, can't believe the Texans passed on him, etc...isn't being put into favorable situations? Just last week you were saying how Bush is awesome and that he is the reason for success, now you're blaming it on the coaches and the schemes?

At least you admitted that he hasn't ran the ball like you thought he did, but you have to understand that this was the EXACT style he ran at USC, the guy naturally runs for the sidelines because he is use to beating defenders to the corner, this won't work in the NFL. Until Bush learns to duck his head and run between the tackles, I don't think he'll have the success everyone thought he would have.

[Icehouse]

This isn't comparable. Bush isn't the starting RB so he isn't put in favorable situations when he rushes the ball. Its usually on 3rd down plays out of the shotgun, or toss sweeps to the outside. Starting running backs get carries on 1st and 2nd down in traditional running formations with traditional run blocking. Plus the defenses the saints have gone up against are are significantally better then the defenses Lundy has faced recently.

Is it comparable to these other RB's that are splitting carries?

Bush
2nd Overall Pick
70 Rushes for 212 Yards
0 Rushing TDs

J.Norwood (and this guy has to share carries with Vick too)
47 Rushes for 321 yards
1 Rushing TD

M.Drew
62 rushes for 264 yards
3 rushing TDs

J.Addai
87 rushes for 447 yards
1 Rushing TD

L.Maroney
86 rushes for 361 yards
3 rushing TDs

L.Washington
86 rushes for 397 yards
2 rushing TDs

Considering that Bush gets the ball thrown to him a lot (since he can't run) and that he still hasn't scored more TD's than most of these guys, I would say he is sucking ass right now.

Waiting on your next excuse........

[Kam]

All and all, the Media is proving to Texans/Williams/Kubiak that eating crow isn't something they do in public. A shout out to Kubiak for selecting Williams a head of Bush. :D


not sold on williams yet.

[Icehouse]

not sold on williams yet.

I'm not sold that Mario was worthy of the #1 pick, but I am certainly sold that Bush wasn't the right pick for this team. We need a true RB, and I don't feel comfy paying a RB so much when their career spans aren't that long.

[jopatmc]

I'm not sold that Mario was worthy of the #1 pick, but I am certainly sold that Bush wasn't the right pick for this team. We need a true RB, and I don't feel comfy paying a RB so much when their career spans aren't that long.


What we should've done was offer Carr and Andre Johnson to the Titans for their #1 pick. Then drafted VY and Mario, Demeco, signed Moulds and another FA wide receiver. Yeah, it would have made us weak at receiver. So what. There will be other premier receivers come down the pike. Shoot, we coulda made a real good run at T.O. How about that team? Vince, T.O., with Marco and Demeco on the other side?

[noscrusir]

Kubiak's made some pretty solid draft choices so far. Lundy, Ryans, C. Spencer, O. Daniels look like a good core. And if Mario plays up to expecations, then it would be even better.

[Zacatecas]

Looking at the draft so far, it is the best the Texans have ever had from top to bottom.


It's a shame that Don Dayne took out Charles Spencer :mad: But, most of the picks are starting to shape up. I was disappointed that Jopporu was let go, but with Daniels playing the way he is, then Japporu would never have gotten time to get on the field. "Good Luck Jopporu"

Surprisingly, Mario with 3.5 sacks is still not a force. He is a good player, but he needs to be a disruptive force. But we all should have "HOPE" that he perform at the elite level sooner rather than later.

[gucci888]

What we should've done was offer Carr and Andre Johnson to the Titans for their #1 pick. Then drafted VY and Mario, Demeco, signed Moulds and another FA wide receiver. Yeah, it would have made us weak at receiver. So what. There will be other premier receivers come down the pike. Shoot, we coulda made a real good run at T.O. How about that team? Vince, T.O., with Marco and Demeco on the other side?

I don't think Kubiak would have traded our 2 premier players to division rivals during his first month on the job.

My dream scenario during the draft was for the Texans to draft VY and wait for McNair to be released and sign him (I don't think Adams would have traded him to us). Traded Carr for someone's 2006 2nd Round pick (maybe we even could have gotten a 1st from Buffalo or something).

But back to Lundy, he's looking really good right now, good to see some type of running game. Too bad Carr couldn't capitalize with it.

[jgreen91]

This explains things. It looks as if Bush sprained his ankle in week 1 of the NFL season. When a player depends on speed and burst the way that Bush does, an ankle injury can slow you down. I'd venture to say this is on of the reasons he hasn't ran all that well. The guy has been playing injured.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Auf1A6idVCTfsEKCExI3fdhDubYF?slug=ap-saints-bushinjury&prov=ap&type=lgns

METAIRIE, La. (AP) -- Reggie Bush said his left ankle injury against Baltimore was more of an aggravation of a sprain that occurred in Week 1 at Cleveland, something he expects to keep playing with.

"I'll be ready for Tampa," Bush said Monday between meetings and treatment at the New Orleans Saints' training headquarters. The sprain is "something that's kind of been lingering since that first game and hasn't been 100 percent since," Bush said. "I've just been kind of playing through it. ... It just kept getting better and better every week, and I got to the point where I was feeling pretty good, and now I'm right back to the point where I started.

"But even then I was able to play through it, so it's really just a matter of me taking care of it," Bush said.

Bush, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner and second overall pick in last spring's draft, left the Saints' 35-22 loss to Baltimore on Sunday in the fourth quarter after being tackled by Bart Scott, who rolled over Bush's lower legs as the two spun down.

Bush said he was unsure how the pain would affect his practice schedule and that he would follow the orders of coaches and trainers.

"In Reggie's case we're in pretty good shape," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "Everything's clean in the X-Ray and the MRI."

Bush has been effective much of this season both running and receiving, getting clutch first downs that have helped sustain scoring drives, but he has rarely broken off big gains.

His only touchdown was a crucial one, however, a 65-yard, late-game punt return that lifted the Saints (5-2) to a victory over the Buccaneers.

He averaged nearly 107 all-purpose yards during the Saints' first six games. Bush was having his worst game of the season against Baltimore, however, running for only 16 yards on five carries and gaining only 5 yards on four catches. He also had thrown an interception on a halfback option pass and was involved in a fumble on a handoff from Drew Brees.

[slowmustang]

I would take Maroney over Bush any day. Plus, he is averaging 133 All Purpose Yards :)

[rocketlaunch]

This explains things. It looks as if Bush sprained his ankle in week 1 of the NFL season. When a player depends on speed and burst the way that Bush does, an ankle injury can slow you down. I'd venture to say this is on of the reasons he hasn't ran all that well. The guy has been playing injured.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Auf1A6idVCTfsEKCExI3fdhDubYF?slug=ap-saints-bushinjury&prov=ap&type=lgns

METAIRIE, La. (AP) -- Reggie Bush said his left ankle injury against Baltimore was more of an aggravation of a sprain that occurred in Week 1 at Cleveland, something he expects to keep playing with.

"I'll be ready for Tampa," Bush said Monday between meetings and treatment at the New Orleans Saints' training headquarters. The sprain is "something that's kind of been lingering since that first game and hasn't been 100 percent since," Bush said. "I've just been kind of playing through it. ... It just kept getting better and better every week, and I got to the point where I was feeling pretty good, and now I'm right back to the point where I started.

"But even then I was able to play through it, so it's really just a matter of me taking care of it," Bush said.

Bush, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner and second overall pick in last spring's draft, left the Saints' 35-22 loss to Baltimore on Sunday in the fourth quarter after being tackled by Bart Scott, who rolled over Bush's lower legs as the two spun down.

Bush said he was unsure how the pain would affect his practice schedule and that he would follow the orders of coaches and trainers.

"In Reggie's case we're in pretty good shape," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "Everything's clean in the X-Ray and the MRI."

Bush has been effective much of this season both running and receiving, getting clutch first downs that have helped sustain scoring drives, but he has rarely broken off big gains.

His only touchdown was a crucial one, however, a 65-yard, late-game punt return that lifted the Saints (5-2) to a victory over the Buccaneers.

He averaged nearly 107 all-purpose yards during the Saints' first six games. Bush was having his worst game of the season against Baltimore, however, running for only 16 yards on five carries and gaining only 5 yards on four catches. He also had thrown an interception on a halfback option pass and was involved in a fumble on a handoff from Drew Brees.

Hey they have to make excuses for Reggie and that is sad. Just say he has not lived up to the hype yet. When Mario struggles people go nuts especially the media. Reggie does and ouch his ankle is hurting.

[updawg]

Bush will be banged up his whole career

[Icehouse]

This explains things. It looks as if Bush sprained his ankle in week 1 of the NFL season. When a player depends on speed and burst the way that Bush does, an ankle injury can slow you down. I'd venture to say this is on of the reasons he hasn't ran all that well. The guy has been playing injured.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Auf1A6idVCTfsEKCExI3fdhDubYF?slug=ap-saints-bushinjury&prov=ap&type=lgns

METAIRIE, La. (AP) -- Reggie Bush said his left ankle injury against Baltimore was more of an aggravation of a sprain that occurred in Week 1 at Cleveland, something he expects to keep playing with.

"I'll be ready for Tampa," Bush said Monday between meetings and treatment at the New Orleans Saints' training headquarters. The sprain is "something that's kind of been lingering since that first game and hasn't been 100 percent since," Bush said. "I've just been kind of playing through it. ... It just kept getting better and better every week, and I got to the point where I was feeling pretty good, and now I'm right back to the point where I started.

"But even then I was able to play through it, so it's really just a matter of me taking care of it," Bush said.

Bush, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner and second overall pick in last spring's draft, left the Saints' 35-22 loss to Baltimore on Sunday in the fourth quarter after being tackled by Bart Scott, who rolled over Bush's lower legs as the two spun down.

Bush said he was unsure how the pain would affect his practice schedule and that he would follow the orders of coaches and trainers.

"In Reggie's case we're in pretty good shape," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "Everything's clean in the X-Ray and the MRI."

Bush has been effective much of this season both running and receiving, getting clutch first downs that have helped sustain scoring drives, but he has rarely broken off big gains.

His only touchdown was a crucial one, however, a 65-yard, late-game punt return that lifted the Saints (5-2) to a victory over the Buccaneers.

He averaged nearly 107 all-purpose yards during the Saints' first six games. Bush was having his worst game of the season against Baltimore, however, running for only 16 yards on five carries and gaining only 5 yards on four catches. He also had thrown an interception on a halfback option pass and was involved in a fumble on a handoff from Drew Brees.

Four questions for you man.

1) Folks have been posting about Bush since yesterday night at least? Ya couldn't take the time to respond until you found out Bushie had a hurt ankle?

2) Bush's ankle is fine enough for him to beat folks to the sideline on a perfectly executed punt return (when he had space), but it isn't ok during typical running plays with limited space?

3) Do you think Bush is the only player playing with a not 100% ankle (it isn't broken or anything). SA played some games with a cracked foot. Portis has been playing with a bum shoulder. Vince hurt his ankle early on in the year. Deuce is coming off knee surgery. I wonder how long the list would be if every NFL player with a minor injury used it as a crutch.

4) Since his ankle is getting better now, what will your excuse be when he continues to suck at rushing the ball?

Why didn't you bold this part. "But even then I was able to play through it, so it's really just a matter of me taking care of it," Bush said.

[hatemavs4life]

Bush will probably always have durability issues. He's proven he's NOT an every down back. If he was so great, he would be pushing Deuce for playing time. That hasnt happened.

Everyone want to criticize Kuby for his choices but you know what he's making a monkey out of all of us ...

Lundy continues to be more consistent with running the ball he may get 1000 yds not bad for a 6th rd pick. He gets 100 on the G-Men then we REALLY have something special here. Wasnt Terrell Davis a 6th rd pick for Denver? I think he was ... What will the Bush lovers say to that? Lundy 1000 rushing + all purpose and Bush probably doesnt even get 1000 all-purpose total?

Hmmm ... should we A) spend 64 million on a glorified PR/KR BTW, more expense than Suchanon was or B) bolster D and get a sleeper RB pick. Duh, genius alert! :rolleyes:

If Mario gets at least 8+ sacks, this pick is legitimized. Already has 3.5 and he's improving every week. But please dont give him any credit MW haters, because I may faint from the mere delusions thereof. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Zacatecas]

I don't think that sacks are the defining stat for Defensive linemen.

Let's all remember the ex-Texan's player who was signed by Buffalo as a free agent after he had all of those sacks his first or second year in the franchise history.


Sack stats are an easy way to over pay linemen and linebackers.


Remember Gary Walker his first year with the Texans, he got a pro bowl invite, not becasue he had sacks (I think he had 2 or 3 sacks the entire year), but because he disrupted the offensive line just enough to force the offense to move quickly.

[Like A Breath]

How about Bush = Desmond Howard? Heisman guys who were electric in college, but weren't good enough at their true positions to be anything but special teams stars.

Bush still has time to prove his superstar hype, but he'll have to do it soon or he's fair game.

[gr8-1]

You know, all players have injuries. I would think that Bush would have better numbers playing with Duece.

[leebigez]

A coach with a certain system will draft players in his system and the best talent on the other side of the ball. look at the draft denver had when he was there. the highest drafted rb was bell/portis in the 2nd. Look at McCafferey and rod smith and Sharpe. Look at the lineman taken low and coached up, but then look at defense with gold,wilson,pryce,williams and guys like that that were drafted pretty high. That what will happen with texans. The will draft offensive players that fit the system and the best talent on defense. In the draft i would go after the best db which i think is Merriwaether from Miami to play safety and go sign Clements from Bills. If the defense gets better, the offesne will to in my opinion.