How does Mario Williams look?

[Bag0b0y]

I just wanted to know how Mario did today. I didn't get to see the titans game live or on television and I know Mario got a sack today. Other than that, how did he look? Was the line able to collapse the pocket? Did Mario look close to getting Vince Young other than from the sack? Was the sack just a tap or a real sack? Can someone tell me if he looks anything like a number 1 pick? Please no we should have gotten Bush or Vince Young in this thread. thanks :D :D :D :D

[Jackfruit]

I would love to know too! :)

[Fegwu]

Okay game.

Still showing steady improvement. The wow factor is not here yet but he made a few tackles both at the line as well as at least one chasing a player from behind.

[The Real Shady]

He had another solid game and recorded a sack on VY. Out of the top 3 picks in the draft he has been the best performer IMO.

[Fegwu]

He had another solid game and recorded a sack on VY. Out of the top 3 picks in the draft he has been the best performer IMO.

Wow. How did I miss the sack. I guess I was so carried away by the shock of David Carr benching as well as focusing to analyze Sage.

[JeopardE]

He sacked Vince Young once and should have had a second one, if not for that stupid blown defensive assignment in the secondary that resulted in a pass TD. Mario was THIS close to giving him a serious lick.

[Nick]

Okay game.

Still showing steady improvement. The wow factor is not here yet but he made a few tackles both at the line as well as at least one chasing a player from behind.

I thought he showed some more quickness today... more boosts of speed, especially on tackling guys from behind (he got there before most of the faster LB's did).

The defensive game-plan was sound all-around... unfortunately, two horrible plays are what led to the Titans TD's (calling a blitz on a 3rd and long, and Dunta just letting his man go over the middle wide open).

[texanskan]

I am pretty happy with Mario

[Moe]

The sack was an awesome play by Mario. He got into the backfield very quick. Vince was going to throw a swing pass to his back, but Mario sniffed that and jumped up with his hands up. He was directly between Vince and the back. Vince had to pull the ball down, because Mario got between them so quick, he couldn't get the ball over Mario to the back. Anyway, Vince pulls the ball down and takes off downfield. Mario took a second to gather himself after the jump and took off and tackled Vince from behind before he got back to the line of scrimmage. Truly a great sack.

[MadMax]

The sack was an awesome play by Mario. He got into the backfield very quick. Vince was going to throw a swing pass to his back, but Mario sniffed that and jumped up with his hands up. He was directly between Vince and the back. Vince had to pull the ball down, because Mario got between them so quick, he couldn't get the ball over Mario to the back. Anyway, Vince pulls the ball down and takes off downfield. Mario took a second to gather himself after the jump and took off and tackled Vince from behind before he got back to the line of scrimmage. Truly a great sack.

that was a great sack?? young had his back to him...was scrambling...and sidestepped into mario's path.

i think mario had a fine game yesterday. i think he's a fine player. but i'd have a hard time calling that a "great sack."

[DonnyMost]

http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/416752.jpg

Mario needs roids.

...and a conehead.

[Summer Song Giver]

that was a great sack?? young had his back to him...was scrambling...and sidestepped into mario's path.

i think mario had a fine game yesterday. i think he's a fine player. but i'd have a hard time calling that a "great sack."


Yeah but the entire play as was said was made by Mario alone. He jumped to break up the screen and Vince pulled it down and started to scramble, Mario recovered from the leap and caught Vince from behind. Mario singlhandedly disrupted the screen and then still recovered to chase down a very mobile QB. I have no problem calling that a great play because it was.

[Icehouse]

that was a great sack?? young had his back to him...was scrambling...and sidestepped into mario's path.

i think mario had a fine game yesterday. i think he's a fine player. but i'd have a hard time calling that a "great sack."

I didn't see the play, but I think if a DE jumps to stop a pass from happening, then chases down the scrambling QB (especially if it's VY), then that's a great sack.

[Mr. Clutch]

3.5 sacks is 3.5 sacks. You can break them down and say they were cheap, but you can do that for anyone. How come Babin can't get 3.5 sacks in 4 games?

[rhino17]

3.5 sacks is 3.5 sacks. You can break them down and say they were cheap, but you can do that for anyone. How come Babin can't get 3.5 sacks in 4 games?

I didnt watch the game yesterday so I dont know how legit his sack/s were. I just dont think he should have gotten the sack when Leftwich slipped and fell. I'm not saying Mario did bad, I'm just sayin he didnt cause anything on that particular play.

[Mr. Clutch]

I didnt watch the game yesterday so I dont know how legit his sack/s were. I just dont think he should have gotten the sack when Leftwich slipped and fell. I'm not saying Mario did bad, I'm just sayin he didnt cause anything on that particular play.

Well then you shouldn't get a TD for throwing a pass to a guy who is so wide open because of broken coverage. Or an INT when the QB throws it straight at you.

[DaDakota]

He looks ok...but truthfully, not a good value at the number ONE pick in the draft.

DD

[Rocket River]

He sacked Vince Young once and should have had a second one, if not for that stupid blown defensive assignment in the secondary that resulted in a pass TD. Mario was THIS close to giving him a serious lick.


YEA MAN . .THAT IS SO TRUE - Co-Sign by USC and various other Defensive players who were *that* close


By and Large Mario seems good and steady
Not drawing the consistant double team but
folx are chipping him and things from time to time

He just has to keep the motor 60 minutes for 16 games
and he will be ok

Rocket River

[rhino17]

Well then you shouldn't get a TD for throwing a pass to a guy who is so wide open because of broken coverage. Or an INT when the QB throws it straight at you.

That is completely different. On the sack i am talking about, Mario was not even in on the play, he did not even touch the qb. Since no one forced the sack, it was given to him by default.

[Mr. Clutch]

That is completely different. On the sack i am talking about, Mario was not even in on the play, he did not even touch the qb. Since no one forced the sack, it was given to him by default.

But someone has to get to the QB. Leftwich could have gotten up and thrown the ball away for a no gain.

[rocketlaunch]

He looks ok...but truthfully, not a good value at the number ONE pick in the draft.

DD


That may be the case, but so far known of the top 3 of have looked like they would be worth the #1 pick. Vince and Mario have looked the best... The reggie hype has so far just been hype not production.

[DaDakota]

I still feel Vince Young was the best college football player that ever played the game, followed closely by Bo Jackson.

VY was and is still the only choice for the number 1 pick....once he gets comfortable, he will be wiping his feet on the league for years to come.

DD

[bobrek]

That is completely different. On the sack i am talking about, Mario was not even in on the play, he did not even touch the qb. Since no one forced the sack, it was given to him by default.

After Leftwich fell down, Williams was the first lineman to touch him and make the tackle "official", thus he got the sack. As another poster said, if he was never touched, he could have gotten up and made a play.

[leebigez]

DD you're my man, but how is value determined in football players. If Mario becomes Strahan and not White is that good value. I'm now looking for all the bush people. In 2 games Wali has out performed him for the whole season. Addai has also, yet people never says anything about Bush. Winning is the best cologne in the world and that the only reason why no one has said anything bad about bush underperforming.

[Icehouse]

DD you're my man, but how is value determined in football players. If Mario becomes Strahan and not White is that good value. I'm now looking for all the bush people. In 2 games Wali has out performed him for the whole season. Addai has also, yet people never says anything about Bush. Winning is the best cologne in the world and that the only reason why no one has said anything bad about bush underperforming.

They lost yesterday and I bet hardly anyone says anything bad about him this week either. The media does not like to admit that they were wrong. See Yao....

[Moe]

that was a great sack?? young had his back to him...was scrambling...and sidestepped into mario's path.

i think mario had a fine game yesterday. i think he's a fine player. but i'd have a hard time calling that a "great sack."


Watch the play again. First Mario blows up the swing pass, then recovers from a full jump with his hands up and catches up to Vince from behind. Very few linemen would be fast enough to break up the swing pass in the first place. Even fewer would be quick and fast enough to recover and catch Vince before the reached the line of scrimmage. I would be willing to bet most anything that Vince was shocked that Mario was the one who got him. It's not like like Vince stopped and waited for Mario to catch up. How many other times did you see Vince get tackled from behind, once he decided to run?

I will certainly stand by my description of the play as a great sack.

[Dr.Strangelove]

How many linemen in the NFL could have made that play? Not many.

[DaDakota]

Not many lineman in the NFL could have made that play.


A lot of them could and they weren't taken number 1 either....

I have no issue with Mario as a player, he is just NOT a number one pick talent.

DD

[Dr.Strangelove]

I dunno about that.I see a guy that looks as if he might have Reggie White upside.Physically,Mario might very well be gifted enough to put him in the same league.It remains to be seen if he has Reggie's heart.

[Mr. Clutch]

A lot of them could and they weren't taken number 1 either....

I have no issue with Mario as a player, he is just NOT a number one pick talent.

DD

We'll see.

3.5 sacks in 4 games.

[Dr.Strangelove]

I don't say that lightly.
Anyway more importantly Mario and Ryans appear to have this defense headed in the right direction.Our defense should dominate games next year.
As far as us taking him 1 ahead of Bush and Young,I have no problem with it.
Mario's talent level is up there with those guys and to get that in an end at a position of need is too good to pass up IMO.

[DaDakota]

We'll see.

3.5 sacks in 4 games.

Aren't the Texans 2-5?

DD

[Mr. Clutch]

Aren't the Texans 2-5?

DD

Aren't the Titans 2-5?

[DaDakota]

Aren't the Titans 2-5?

Yes, but we were talking about Mario Williams and whether he was worth a number one pick.

But, thanks for stoping by, you contributed so much.....

My point was that he has 3.5 sacks in 7 games....

SHEESH !!

DD

[hatemavs4life]

3.5 sacks is 3.5 sacks. You can break them down and say they were cheap, but you can do that for anyone. How come Babin can't get 3.5 sacks in 4 games?

BINGO! Duh + Duh = DUH !!!

If it's so easy, what is Babin doing this year? one sack in his 3rd year so far! What is mighty Travis doing this year? Oh I know basically NOTHING! :mad: No sacks, has he even breathed on an opposing QB this year? Just curious ... God, more wasted freakin picks! Unbelievable!!! :mad:

[bobrek]

Yes, but we were talking about Mario Williams and whether he was worth a number one pick.

But, thanks for stoping by, you contributed so much.....

My point was that he has 3.5 sacks in 7 games....

SHEESH !!

DD

At this point of their rookie seasons, statistically speaking, neither Williams, Bush nor Young has proven themselves worthy of being the number one pick.

[rikesh316]

Mario Williams looks a lot better than VY and Bush so far IMO. Ryans, Lundy, and Daniels are looking like studs. Spencer was very good before injury and Winston looked solid in the series he played versus the Titans. Anderson will likely be the new punt and kick returner so the draft for the Texans was the by far their best ever and maybe the best in the NFL this year.

[rikesh316]

At this point of their rookie seasons, statistically speaking, neither Williams, Bush nor Young has proven themselves worthy of being the number one pick.

I agree 100%. Sacks IMO are pretty overated. I am more interested in QB hurries and if you cause double teams. Speaking of sacks, Mark Anderson, a 5th round pick of the Bears out of UAB who doesn't even start, has 7.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles, and Elvis Dumervil, 4th round pick of the Broncos out of Louisville has 5 sacks in the two games he played this year.

[DaDakota]

At this point of their rookie seasons, statistically speaking, neither Williams, Bush nor Young has proven themselves worthy of being the number one pick.


Hmmm.....I wonder if the draft were held today, who would go number 1...I would wager it would be Vince now...

DD

[Stack24]

Yes, but we were talking about Mario Williams and whether he was worth a number one pick.

But, thanks for stoping by, you contributed so much.....

My point was that he has 3.5 sacks in 7 games....

SHEESH !!

DD

And Julius Peppers only got his first sack this past week. I think when you are commanding double teams all the time it's going to be a tough time recording sacks.

[rikesh316]

And Julius Peppers only got his first sack this past week. I think when you are commanding double teams all the time it's going to be a tough time recording sacks.

Don't you mean Dwight Freeney? Peppers has been a beast this year, he has 8 sacks.

[rikesh316]

Hmmm.....I wonder if the draft were held today, who would go number 1...I would wager it would be Vince now...

DD

Not if I were the GM.

[bobrek]

Hmmm.....I wonder if the draft were held today, who would go number 1...I would wager it would be Vince now...

DD

I'd bet on Leinert.

[hatemavs4life]

Don't you mean Dwight Freeney? Peppers has been a beast this year, he has 8 sacks.

Yes stack24, you just got jacked the **** up! Peppers is leading the NFC or was before yesterday's games.

Remember it's always good to read. ;)

[Stack24]

Don't you mean Dwight Freeney? Peppers has been a beast this year, he has 8 sacks.

yeah your right..have no idea why i thought Peppers

[Stack24]

Yes stack24, you just got jacked the **** up! Peppers is leading the NFC or was before yesterday's games.

Remember it's always good to read. ;)


Yes yes...i got jacked up...just didn't check the stats but i knew it was a high profile guy that hadn't had a sack. I guess watching every single NFL game on sundays i tend to mix up things i hear by the commentators.

[KAS13]

http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/416752.jpg

Mario needs roids.

...and a conehead.


I would trade them Williams and Carr for Merriman even with the positive test and not think twice about it. Consequently, they would probably fax us a naked picture of Philip Rivers as a response.

[Mr. Clutch]

Hmmm.....I wonder if the draft were held today, who would go number 1...I would wager it would be Vince now...

DD

What, you think the Titans would trade up or something? The Texans certainly wouldn't draft him.

[DaDakota]

I'd bet on Leinert.


You mean 0-4 Matt Lienert?

:D

DD

[KAS13]

Not if I were the GM.

Who would you pick. It's obviously between Vince, Leinart and Cutler (whom we haven't seen play an NFL snap yet). It definitely isn't Mario Williams or Reggie Bush. I would think everyone could agree on that.

[Groogrux]

I'd bet on Leinert.

No way. The guy has had two good quarters all year. He couldn't do squat against a pretty terrible Green Bay defense yesterday.

[bobrek]

You mean 0-4 Matt Lienert?

:D

DD

yep. "0-4 coached by the worst coach in the NFL should be 2-2" Matt Leinart.

[Mr. Clutch]

You mean 0-4 Matt Lienert?

:D

DD

How about 5-2 Reggie Bush. In truth, Mario is the only one doing the basic job of his positon.

[bobrek]

No way. The guy has had two good quarters all year. He couldn't do squat against a pretty terrible Green Bay defense yesterday.

I just think he is the "prototypical" NFL QB who has the best chance of leading a team to the Super Bowl.

I think if the Texans thought they needed a QB and the draft were held again tomorrow, they would take Leinart above Cutler and Young.

[DaDakota]

I just think he is the "prototypical" NFL QB who has the best chance of leading a team to the Super Bowl.

If by prototypical you mean, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Fran Tarkington, John Elway, Brett Favre which all can run a little bit to add to the offense, or do you mean the Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw stand in the pocket ones?

Oh wait, maybe there isn't a PROTOTYPICAL QB.......

DD

[Mr. Clutch]

If by prototypical you mean, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Fran Tarkington, John Elway, Brett Favre which all can run a little bit to add to the offense, or do you mean the Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw stand in the pocket ones?

Oh wait, maybe there isn't a PROTOTYPICAL QB.......

DD

They can all throw the ball with strength and accuracy.

[Major]

They can all throw the ball with strength and accuracy.

Arm strength is the big reason that Leinart fell to #10 though. Oakland didn't want him at #7 because they wanted to develop a vertical passing game with Moss & Porter and felt that he couldn't be that guy. He was considered to be great in a short passing game, but not the deeper game.

[bobrek]

If by prototypical you mean, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Fran Tarkington, John Elway, Brett Favre which all can run a little bit to add to the offense....


DD

Ooops, I forgot about Favre's 45 yard per YEAR rushing average. :)

[Mr. Clutch]

Arm strength is the big reason that Leinart fell to #10 though. Oakland didn't want him at #7 because they wanted to develop a vertical passing game with Moss & Porter and felt that he couldn't be that guy. He was considered to be great in a short passing game, but not the deeper game.

No doubt, and that's why Cutler jumped up so much.

[Rocket River]

QUESTION: Will the Texans have a better Record than the Titans this Year?

Rocket River

[Summer Song Giver]

QUESTION: Will the Texans have a better Record than the Titans this Year?

Rocket River

I think so, VY will hit a wall.

[gucci888]

Gonna try to steer things away from another VY debate thread.

Mario Williams Stats:

September: 3 Games
6 Solo Tackles
2 Ast. Tackles
8 Total Tackles
0 Sacks

October: 4 Games
11 Solo Tackles
3 Ast. Tackles
14 Total Tackles
3.5 Sacks
1 Fumble Recovery

He struggled a lot early on but seems to have come around.

[IROC it]

He looks ok...but truthfully, not a good value at the number ONE pick in the draft.

DD

Because, man! That Reggie Bush is lighting it up! And Dude, that Leinart is set to be the league MVP! And whoa!!! Look out! VY is like stinkin' Joe Montana! He beat the Texans!





Give it up. :rolleyes:

[ima_drummer2k]

Gonna try to steer things away from another VY debate thread.

Mario Williams Stats:

September: 3 Games
6 Solo Tackles
2 Ast. Tackles
8 Total Tackles
0 Sacks

October: 4 Games
11 Solo Tackles
3 Ast. Tackles
14 Total Tackles
3.5 Sacks
1 Fumble Recovery

He struggled a lot early on but seems to have come around.
Don't forget the game he basically WON against Miami by tipping that pass on the 2 point conversion attempt.

[Groogrux]

Don't forget the game he basically WON against Miami by tipping that pass on the 2 point conversion attempt.

As Carr was trying to tackle Mario so he wouldn't.

[Rokkit]

Gonna try to steer things away from another VY debate thread.

Mario Williams Stats:

September: 3 Games
6 Solo Tackles
2 Ast. Tackles
8 Total Tackles
0 Sacks

October: 4 Games
11 Solo Tackles
3 Ast. Tackles
14 Total Tackles
3.5 Sacks
1 Fumble Recovery

He struggled a lot early on but seems to have come around.

The four more tackles with one more game really isn't a big deal. The sacks are certainly a good thing, though.

[DaDakota]

Because, man! That Reggie Bush is lighting it up! And Dude, that Leinart is set to be the league MVP! And whoa!!! Look out! VY is like stinkin' Joe Montana! He beat the Texans!
Give it up. :rolleyes:


Well, if you are going to have to WAIT for the talent to mature, I would rather have it at QB....I have never liked Bush....

So, at least I am right and you are wrong...

nah, nah, nah....naaaaah, nah.

:p

DD

[hatemavs4life]

If by prototypical you mean, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Fran Tarkington, John Elway, Brett Favre which all can run a little bit to add to the offense, or do you mean the Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw stand in the pocket ones?

Oh wait, maybe there isn't a PROTOTYPICAL QB.......

DD

DaDa,

Your sarcasm is absolutely inspiring. :D

[hatemavs4life]

Because, man! That Reggie Bush is lighting it up! And Dude, that Leinart is set to be the league MVP! And whoa!!! Look out! VY is like stinkin' Joe Montana! He beat the Texans!





Give it up. :rolleyes:


Even better sarcasm. :D D-Ryans is head and shoulders IMO the best AFC rookie performer. He is already showing to be a difference maker out there. Mario is definitely coming along though. Leinart has to be hating life right now. Arizona is a long way from the USC spotlight he was used to. :p

[swilkins]

http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/416752.jpg

Mario needs roids.

...and a conehead.

This made me crack-up. :D

I think Mario is going to be an incredible player. He has unbelievable closing speed. He seems to always be around the ball.

[Icehouse]

Well I posted a poll on one of my FF message boards, asking if the Texans are still idiots for passing on Bush. The current vote is 116 yes, 84 no. Most are saying the Texans didn't maximize the value of the pick, yada yada yada.....

[robbie380]

where can I find mario's hurries and pressures and stuff like that?

[Fegwu]

I think Mario is going to be an incredible player. He has unbelievable closing speed. He seems to always be around the ball.

Chasing down Henry (IIRC) from behind was the play that really stood out for me.

He is developing just fine and I believe he will eventually live up to the #1 pick billing.

Like someone said earlier, the most of the members media hate to be wrong (like the naive John Clayton). They still keep conjuring Bush's name like we do not have TVs. Some of us saw Bush's weaknesses and pronounced him overrated. Unfortunately, ESPN's knack for silliness has so far prevented them from being fair and ballanced on this.

Who cares anyways. We have Ryans and Mario. Next year's defense is definitely projecting to be a strength for us. We could still add a quality DB to the mix. Peyton Manning better watch out 'cos our defense is coming.

[rhino17]

Who cares anyways. We have Ryans and Mario. Next year's defense is definitely projecting to be a strength for us. We could still add a quality DB to the mix. Peyton Manning better watch out 'cos our defense is coming.

Our defense may be coming, but we still got no QB

[Desert Scar]

He looks ok...but truthfully, not a good value at the number ONE pick in the draft.

DD

But at least he is playing more and looks better than the #2 pick :D

I agree with you they should have traded Carr for a late 1st, taken VY and then another good player with the picked up 1st rounder.

But since they didn't trade Carr, I think Mario was the right choice. I think he has a great upside, worthy of the #1 pick most years.

They lost yesterday and I bet hardly anyone says anything bad about him this week either. The media does not like to admit that they were wrong. See Yao....

Or see the Heisman voting last year. The only time ESPN called themselves/media/voters out for the injustice was right after the Rose Bowl before the corp sponsers told them to cut out the Bush dogging.

As for VY, anyone who has watched Tenn for 7 games knows he has made a positive impact. Yet he still barely knows the offense or pro game at all. By year 2 or certainly year 3 he will be a terror, and Tenn wouldn't trade him for anyone. If anything ML, a very football smart player but one with more average tools and athleticism, is closed to peaked out and VY will get better and better.

[Mr. Clutch]

Or see the Heisman voting last year. The only time ESPN called themselves/media/voters out for the injustice was right after the Rose Bowl before the corp sponsers told them to cut out the Bush dogging.

As for VY, anyone who has watched Tenn for 7 games knows he has made a positive impact. Yet he still barely knows the offense or pro game at all. By year 2 or certainly year 3 he will be a terror, and Tenn wouldn't trade him for anyone. If anything ML, a very football smart player but one with more average tools and athleticism, is closed to peaked out and VY will get better and better.

How many times are you going to bring this up? THIS IS A MARIO WILLIAMS THREAD!

[DaDakota]

Desert Scar,

I agree if you are not going to take Carr, you take Williams....but I thought VY was the only player worthy of the number 1 pick.

If the Texans were against VY, then they should have traded the pick and picked up more picks, this team has a LOT of holes.

DD

[Desert Scar]

How many times are you going to bring this up? THIS IS A MARIO WILLIAMS THREAD!

That's funny Mr. Thread Policeman, what player and team were you referring to in all these posts before I even popped into this thread?

Aren't the Titans 2-5?

What, you think the Titans would trade up or something? The Texans certainly wouldn't draft him.

They can all throw the ball with strength and accuracy.

No doubt, and that's why Cutler jumped up so much.

I guess the cat (VY) got your tongue and your response to me was the best you got left.

[Mr. Clutch]

That's funny Mr. Thread Policeman, what player and team were you referring to in all these posts before I even popped into this thread?



At least I didn't cut and paste something from a year ago (ie Heisman crap)

[Desert Scar]

At least I didn't cut and paste something from a year ago (ie Heisman crap)

I didn't cut and paste, if it was close to word for word it is because I have a good memory. And The Heisman stuff did fit it because it just shows how Bush continues to get a free reign from the media even when he has arguably the most atrocious game by any rookie so far (fumble, INT, terrible YPT, and his team that had looked solid gets blown out). VY or MW (and to a lesser degree ML) play like that, they would be the laughing stock all throughout media circles and the I-told-you-so draft geeks.

[macalu]

Desert Scar,

I agree if you are not going to take Carr, you take Williams....but I thought VY was the only player worthy of the number 1 pick.

If the Texans were against VY, then they should have traded the pick and picked up more picks, this team has a LOT of holes.

DD
YOU thought he was worthy of the number one pick. Why would the Texans trade the number 1 pick if THEY thought Mario was worthy of it?

truth is, you could be right. VY could go on to have a hall of fame career, leading Tenn. to a SuperBowl title. but it's hard for me to fathom that the Texans themselves didn't make the pick based on who they truly thought could help them out most. i can live with that.

but we know you're always right...see Dan Langhi.

[leebigez]

I think he's improved every week. Everyone want ot talk about the the trade of the pick , but no one would trade because all the top ten teams thought the top 10 players were pretty equal from mario to davis to cutler so why give up the pick. If you look at the money in the nfl it qb,re,rt,cb. Why? Those are the hardest to find impact players. How many time a good de become availible in the fa market? We have seen Alexander,James,and Lewis have to take less money because the market wasnt there. This is a process for this team. The colts suck at d, yet Freeney has played, but other people have not. I still want this team to build a defense. As long as you have good defense you will be in and win a lot of games.

[leebigez]

I agree 100%. Sacks IMO are pretty overated. I am more interested in QB hurries and if you cause double teams. Speaking of sacks, Mark Anderson, a 5th round pick of the Bears out of UAB who doesn't even start, has 7.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles, and Elvis Dumervil, 4th round pick of the Broncos out of Louisville has 5 sacks in the two games he played this year.

If you're team is playing from ahead, you have a good chance to get sacks. It doesnt hurt that anderson plays alongside the best 3 technique in tommie harris and on the other sie of alex brown.

[Dr.Strangelove]

Mario looks like he's going to be monster for a long time.

And our defense is going to be a thing of beauty by the end of the year.It's nice to get a glimpse today of the hard hitting machine that's coming.

Nobody will want to play us.

We made the right decision in this draft.

Assuming Spencer and Winston(who is doing well today) are our starting tackles,I see us headed to the playoffs next year....

[rrj_gamz]

That was a great sack...And then ryans with one right after that...

[gucci888]

That was a great sack...And then ryans with one right after that...

Mario also had another QB hurry right after that, could have been another sack and a forced fumble, the ball looked like it went backwards.

[MadMax]

Mario looked very, very good today! Great game on his part!

[Mr. Clutch]

Mario kicked some butt. Reggie and Vince? Not so much.

[MadMax]

Mario kicked some butt. Reggie and Vince? Not so much.

give VY time.

but reggie had 11 carries for -5 yards???? seriously??? that's pitiful.

[Mr. Clutch]

give VY time.

but reggie had 11 carries for -5 yards???? seriously??? that's pitiful.

Yep, they were both pitiful. Looks like we might have dodged a couple of bullets in the draft. An RB that can't rush and a QB that can't pass. Hilarious. They will both get better in the future, but we have DE who can actually pass rush now, to the tune of 4.5 sacks in the last 5 games.

And how about our other rookies? Demeco and Daniels are also playing very well. Lundy has had an impact. Kalu has done some things. Spencer was doing well before the injury. A few more drafts like this and we'll have a pretty solid team.

[today]

Mario looked very, very good today! Great game on his part!

He sure did... Too bad Manning's arm was coming forward on the second hit, or Mario would have recorded another sack and a forced fumble. I loved the emotion he showed today. Great things to come for Mario...

[hoopgod13]

Yep, they were both pitiful. Looks like we might have dodged a couple of bullets in the draft. An RB that can't rush and a QB that can't pass. Hilarious. They will both get better in the future, but we have DE who can actually pass rush now, to the tune of 4.5 sacks in the last 5 games.

And how about our other rookies? Demeco and Daniels are also playing very well. Lundy has had an impact. Kalu has done some things. Spencer was doing well before the injury. A few more drafts like this and we'll have a pretty solid team.

this is Kalu's 9th year in the league, perhaps you meant Winston

[Mr. Clutch]

this is Kalu's 9th year in the league, perhaps you meant Winston

Dang, you're right. For some reason I thought he was a rookie.

[Like A Breath]

It seems like Mario Williams is finding his comfort zone and will be ready to dominate as soon as next year. That's all you can ask for a #1 pick, 4.5 sacks in 5 games are pro bowl numbers and he's just a rookie.

Reggie Bush...-5 yards on 11 carries! And he's a third down back, which means he gets most of the "easy" yards when teams are playing the pass on third down. Imagine if LeBron averaged 8 ppg on 35% shooting his rookie year, that's what Reggie's doing right now. I had high hopes for him out of college, but he simply can't break a tackle or run through a hole without falling down.

[rikesh316]

Damn Vince Young looks horrible. He is like 4 years away from having a chance to be decent. Reggie looks horrible this year but his team wins. Mario Williams looks better and better every game. Ryans, Daniels, Lundy all look good and hopefully we see more of Winston rather than Saleem or Wiegert who both suck.

[rezdawg]

I love seeing the progression Mario is making...he's improving every week and looks to be the pick the Texans needed at #1.

11 carries for -5 yards for Bush? Yeah, not so sure you can spin that to make it look decent...thats just bad.

[Nashvegas]

too bad ESPN and every other ahole who trashed us for taking him will ever admit they where wrong.

[rikesh316]

too bad ESPN and every other ahole who trashed us for taking him will ever admit they where wrong.

ESPN never will. They said the same junk about Robert Gallary and he sucks. I hate Sean Salisbury. He went to USC and was all on Bush and Leinarts jock and always found a way on draft day to trash them. I really hate Micheal Irvin. Like Tiki Barber said, he doesn't know how to be a journalist. He still thinks the Cowboys are the best team in the NFC.

[pgabriel]

I had high hopes for him out of college, but he simply can't break a tackle or run through a hole without falling down.


i didn't want the texans to take bush, but I didn't think he would have problems breaking tackles which I guess is his main problem. I didn't think his size was an issue because I think he has nfl running back size but apparently it is. no one could have predicted he would be so ineffective. now I understand why he didn't get the ball on that fourth down in the rosebowl. pete carroll knew something we didn't.

[Mr. Clutch]

I haven't seen any of Reggie's games, but if his problem is primarily that he can't break tackles, then he could be a bust of mythical proportions. But at least they can move him to WR and he could probably be pretty effective there.

However, if Reggie's problem is more mental, in that he keeps trying to bounce it outside instead of hitting the inside lanes, then he could learn that and turn it around. Also, Deuce McAllister only averaged 2 ypc, so their whole rushing game was ineffective.

[MONON]

Since he was the #1 pick; the spotlight is on Mario, as it should be. Everyone is asking about how he's progressing and are now getting excited about that progress. Now Ryans is starting to get noticed for his play. This defense is getting better all the time because the younger players are coming around.

By the way, that penalty on Mario $ucked so bad, I thought the universe was going to implode! I guess you can't put 2 hands on the QB anymore.

[rezdawg]

Watched sportscenter and no mention of Mario was made. :mad:

They did talk about Bush though...I forgot the exact statistic, but it was something like he is one of the few people ever to have 10+ rushing attempts and negative yardage. :D

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

Since he was the #1 pick; the spotlight is on Mario, as it should be. Everyone is asking about how he's progressing and are now getting excited about that progress. Now Ryans is starting to get noticed for his play. This defense is getting better all the time because the younger players are coming around.

By the way, that penalty on Mario $ucked so bad, I thought the universe was going to implode! I guess you can't put 2 hands on the QB anymore.


I was at Giants stadium today for the game and Mario looked GREAT! He really should've had 3 sacks today. He was so close on at least 2 occasions. I loved how the crowd got riled up after the first sack and he was taunting the crowd with that fake basketball shot. The fans around me kept yelling REGGIE BUSH after the penalty.

[pgabriel]

I was at Giants stadium today for the game and Mario looked GREAT! He really should've had 3 sacks today. He was so close on at least 2 occasions. I loved how the crowd got riled up after the first sack and he was taunting the crowd with that fake basketball shot. The fans around me kept yelling REGGIE BUSH after the penalty.


isn't that fake basketball shot a signature of the Giants' players when they make a play. The "Ballin" from the Jim Jones video.

[SwoLy-D]

isn't that fake basketball shot a signature of the Giants' players when they make a play. The "Ballin" from the Jim Jones video.
You mean like this:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-614919460918995557&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

?? :D

[rocketlaunch]

You mean like this:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-614919460918995557&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

?? :D


hahaha the fans got mad after he made fun of the giants jump shot celebration

[Like A Breath]

You mean like this:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-614919460918995557&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

?? :D

Haha...wow, he just tossed that tackle like a ragdoll. That's the strength/speed combo that was so tempting to NFL scouts.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Mario Williams is now my favorite player in the NFL!


I love how excited he gets after a sack, and that basketball shot thing was awesome!


Oh yeah, the rest of the team is awesome, too. I can't wait for next year. (I started to list off my other favorite players and came up with half the team.)

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

isn't that fake basketball shot a signature of the Giants' players when they make a play. The "Ballin" from the Jim Jones video.


yes it is and the Giant's definitely do that. That's why the fans were so mad that Mario was mocking them.

[hchustler]

So how long untill espn starts saying this guy sucks? IM thinking atleast next year :mad:

[JuLiO-R-]

Watched sportscenter and no mention of Mario was made. :mad:

They did talk about Bush though...I forgot the exact statistic, but it was something like he is one of the few people ever to have 10+ rushing attempts and negative yardage. :D
I just saw it on SC too. ESPN cracks me up. They start the Saints Highlights by showing Reggie Bush's ankles. They start making excuses right away. Then the Texans highlights come on, and Mario isn't even seen in any of the highlights.

[Bassfly]

They did talk about Bush though...I forgot the exact statistic, but it was something like he is one of the few people ever to have 10+ rushing attempts and negative yardage. :D

sweet. i outrushed reggie bush today.

[Jared Novak]

ESPN has too much invested in Reggie Bush to point out his mistakes or the fact that he is inept at running between the tackles.

How many commercials have we already seen of Reggie Bush pimpin' the short-lived ESPN Mobile or the ESPN Fantasy Draft? Reggie is their golden boy and they will make any excuse to make him look good.

Back to the topic of the thread, Mario looked great out there and I can't say enough good things about Demeco Ryans. Another draft next April like this past one and I'm thinking playoffs in 2007.

[Uprising]

Mario was awesome today! Those sacks were SICK.

Vince, and Reggie.....well....flat out played like ****. BUsh...oh man...that was funny.

[Nick]

Another draft next April like this past one and I'm thinking playoffs in 2007.

I maintain that 2008 is the year to look forward to.... it normally takes a new coach/GM combo 3 years to make their mark.

This year is about flushing all the Capers/Casserly out of the system... its about 80% there, but there are still some remnants of playing style/ideology. Once that is done, the next step is confidence.

Next year is about finding ways to WIN games. The previously instilled confidence should start yielding some tangible results. There still may be a question about talent, which is why you can't automatically assume playoffs.

Year 3 SHOULD be the one where you have the confidence, you have enough talent in their prime, and you are confident in running a game plan and making the OTHER team adjust to you (instead of us adjusting to them... which has been the case for 5 years). If they don't make the playoffs (or make a good run at it) by this time, Kubiak should be wondering if he's the right man.

It sucks that the team had to start over again (like an expansion team) with this past year's draft... if other things were in place like they should have been, Vince could have been the choice. If they can solidify the O-line in this next year's draft (or make sure that Spencer is fully healthy), the things that should have been in place after years 1 and 2 will FINALLY be somewhat stable (the o-line and d-line).

[MadMax]

So how long untill espn starts saying this guy sucks? IM thinking atleast next year :mad:

here's a question. IF this is where reggie ends up...as a very pedestrian runner and a bit of a threat out of the backfield as a receiver....

will that make reggie the most undeserved, overhyped athlete ever?

seriously...the "experts" (SCOUTS INCLUDED...NOT JUST MEDIA GUYS!) were saying that Bush might be the best prospect in the past 25 years. we all remember the gayle sayers side-by-side comparisons.

and i know it's an IF. i know reggie will improve from this. the question is how much?

[tchenps]

[QUOTE=MadMax]we all remember the gayle sayers side-by-side comparisons.QUOTE]

Don't forget the Michael Jordan and Sam Bowie comparison

[leebigez]

I expected 50tkls and 6 sks for Williams which is on par with what bruce smith and some of the other guys got their 1st yr. People will realize that its not easy whether you play tackle,cb,lb or wherever. Sometimes you have guys like Freeney,Kearse and Peppers come in and make it look easy,but those are exceptions to the rule. I never bought the Bush deal ever! Its not a size or speed thing its a mental thing. If you were never forced to run inside, how will you get to the nfl and learn. Running inside is like playing center in the nba. You have to be willing and sometimes it will not be pretty,but in order to get a big,you start inside then break out. If you never run inside,defenses will never squeeze in so you can bend it out. I'm not going to call him a bust, i just never thought that high of him anyway. I never thought he was the best rb prospect in last 25yrs anyway. Think about this: Tomilson,Portis,Johnson,Alexander, and guys like that were drafted 2000 or later. Even a guy like Duece on his on team is a 1600yd 14td back yet he was going to trump all them? The thing is L.T. is not a huge guy either yet most of his big runs are inside. The football guys dont want to admit they're wrong but i thought his upside was Westbrook and his donwside was Metcalf.

[JeopardE]

Well, here's how Mario Williams looks to a NYG offensive lineman.

Giants offensive tackle Bob Whitfield, a 15-year veteran and former first-round pick by Atlanta, had this to say about Mario Williams: "The son of a gun is almost inhuman out there for how big and thick and solid he is. And I caught it firsthand because I said to myself, `Don't give the young kid a sack.' But I don't call it a sack when he actually dislocates your whole left side of your body when he hit me. It was almost like he needed to have a penalty for tearing up an old man. I actually told him, `Slow it down, young fellow.' He's strong. He's big. He's got it. He's going to be a force to be reckoned with."

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2006/11/mario_almost_inhuman_carr_gets.html

[ima_drummer2k]

Well, here's how Mario Williams looks to a NYG offensive lineman.



http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2006/11/mario_almost_inhuman_carr_gets.html
Nice.

I saw Strahan seeking him out after the game. It looked like he was telling him the same kinds of things. I couldn't tell what he was saying, but he was smiling and shaking his head like he was pretty impressed.

[Khal80]

just loved the way he played yest...just hope he builds on this

remember the knock was that he played in spurts...like he got a majority of his sacks in a few games....but i like the way he is improving and hearing other linemen talk like that about him is encouraging

[gunn]

More from Whitfield... (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11062006/sports/giants/jints_get_jump_giants_paul_schwartz.htm)

Whitfield, a 15-year veteran starting in place of Kareem McKenzie, had no problem with Williams. "How hard he clubbed me, I was still dizzy," Whitfield said. "I didn't even see the sack. All of a sudden I felt the hardest little hit on a human body and I just started flying to the right and he smashed Eli. Shoot, he should have crossed over, dribbled, slam-dunked and all that. You get a sack, that's what you're supposed to do."

*

[Summer Song Giver]

More from Whitfield... (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11062006/sports/giants/jints_get_jump_giants_paul_schwartz.htm)

Whitfield, a 15-year veteran starting in place of Kareem McKenzie, had no problem with Williams. "How hard he clubbed me, I was still dizzy," Whitfield said. "I didn't even see the sack. All of a sudden I felt the hardest little hit on a human body and I just started flying to the right and he smashed Eli. Shoot, he should have crossed over, dribbled, slam-dunked and all that. You get a sack, that's what you're supposed to do."

*

THAT IS MUTHAFARKIN AWESOME :eek:

[Jebus]

Well, here's how Mario Williams looks to a NYG offensive lineman.



http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2006/11/mario_almost_inhuman_carr_gets.html

nice props for Chance in this blog as well:


Chance McClain, the assistant program director at Sports Radio 610, is part of the radio broadcast crew. He told me before the game he really thought the Texans would beat the spread and might even win. I gave him a hard time about being foolish, and he told me he thought they'd win. I told him if they did, I'd make sure he got credit for his prediction. They didn't, of course, but I was impressed enough that I still want to give Chance his props.

I wish I knew what Strahan said to Mario after the game.

[rezdawg]

Im getting more and more excited with Mario...

[gucci888]

And I caught it firsthand because I said to myself, `Don't give the young kid a sack.' But I don't call it a sack when he actually dislocates your whole left side of your body when he hit me.

[hatemavs4life]

THAT IS MUTHAFARKIN AWESOME :eek:

Hearing this and seeing him develop now reinforces the fact the Texans for once actually DID make the right decision. :p

Way to go, Mario! Keep it up! :D

[YaozaMac]

Thanks for posting...great to read the whitfield comments.

Go Mario.

[magnetik]

I just saw a blurb on sportcenter on a segment comparing the top 2 picks and who made the right decision... and they said "the results will surprise you" heh I will try and record it when I see it come on.

[Bag0b0y]

I just wanted to know how Mario did today. I didn't get to see the titans game live or on television and I know Mario got a sack today. Other than that, how did he look? Was the line able to collapse the pocket? Did Mario look close to getting Vince Young other than from the sack? Was the sack just a tap or a real sack? Can someone tell me if he looks anything like a number 1 pick? Please no we should have gotten Bush or Vince Young in this thread. thanks :D :D :D :D

Thanks for everyone's replies and comments on this thread. Living in Arlington can really bite not getting to watch many Texans games.


However, I did get to see one game televised here (finally) and after seeing Mario in action against the Giants I was truly impressed. I remembered seeing him flatten that Giant to the ground and oh yes, of course the sack, that was a thing of beauty. I was thinking also about how he parted the red err blue sea of Giants so the Demeco can have his share in the sack buffet.

After the draft I read somewhere that they hoped that Mario would eat Manning for lunch because his head looks like a pear or something to that effect, well he had his brother for appetizers so on to the main course!

I also happened to read this article written by everyones favorite chronicle writer Richard InJustice and how he talked about the progress of Mario Williams. I didn't see this anywhere else so I'll go ahead and provide a link. It's actually a pretty good article. Mario begins to make QB, critics cower (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4322104.html)

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Not sure if this has been posted in this thread yet, but I didn't see it. Page 2's Bill Simmons actually says that maybe Mario IS better than Reggie.


Bill Simmons' NFL Predictions (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061110)

Texans (+10.5) over JAGS
We're now at the stage of the Mario Williams-Reggie Bush saga when every true Texan fan on the planet (A) knows that Reggie Bush is averaging only 2.6 yards per carry, and (B) had mentioned that to at least 10 of his friends in the past few days, accompanied by a line like, "Hey, maybe this worked out for the best!" And you know what? You might be right. Bush looks terrible. I know he's been a valuable decoy, but it doesn't explain why he's stutter-stepping behind the line on every rush. It looks like he spent the summer studying Thomas Jones' game films from his Arizona days. Step it up, Reggie.


----

I'm loving it! :D

[EddieWasSnubbed]

The other thing I was gonna say was:

I hope that Mario gets an interception or a fumble this week and returns it for a touchdown. How great would that be to have Mario with such great stats AND a touchdown, and Bush with horrible stats and just as many touchdowns as Mario. :D

[emjohn]

I'm honestly fearful of a Reggie breakout game this week (say, 80 yds rushing with a 30 yd TD, 60 yds recieving, and a big return for 40) that will bring upon such a WAVE of Bush adulation and Texan bashing that it will all go right back to the ESPN-led Bowie-over-Jordan crap all over again., even if Mario gets 2 sacks or better.

Evan

[VesceySux]

I'm honestly fearful of a Reggie breakout game this week (say, 80 yds rushing with a 30 yd TD, 60 yds recieving, and a big return for 40) that will bring upon such a WAVE of Bush adulation and Texan bashing that it will all go right back to the ESPN-led Bowie-over-Jordan crap all over again., even if Mario gets 2 sacks or better.

NO is playing Pittsburgh, which has the #9 rushing defense and #8 total defense in the league (and Pitt is at home). I don't expect Bush to have negative rushing yards again this week, but I also don't expect him to have a breakout game, either. If I had to predict a breakout game for him, it would probably be the following week at home against Cincy and their 24th ranked rushing defense. Or on Nov. 30th at home against San Fran and their 29th ranked total defense.

[SwoLy-D]

Bag0Boy, I just uploaded this one:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" align="middle" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6756871342231539290&hl=en" quality="best" bgcolor="#ffffff" scale="noScale" salign="TL" FlashVars="playerMode=embedded"> </embed>

[Bag0b0y]

Bag0Boy, I just uploaded this one:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" align="middle" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6756871342231539290&hl=en" quality="best" bgcolor="#ffffff" scale="noScale" salign="TL" FlashVars="playerMode=embedded"> </embed>

WOW! thanks slowly-D! Some scouts said he gives up in pursuits like that, but he showed persistance. His arms are soooooooo long he was able to get a hand on Vince. I was wondering if you have the Eli sack as well? If not that's cool.

I hardly get to see Texans games here. The only games they show here are the Cowboys every week and the TUNA AND T.O. show never ends!!! I see it in the paper and in the news and it drives me nuts!!!! The Longhorns are fast becoming one of my favorite teams as an alternative to the Texans and you know, that Colt kid is something special.. but that's another story..

[hatemavs4life]

WOW! thanks slowly-D! Some scouts said he gives up in pursuits like that, but he showed persistance. His arms are soooooooo long he was able to get a hand on Vince. I was wondering if you have the Eli sack as well? If not that's cool.

I hardly get to see Texans games here. The only games they show here are the Cowboys every week and the TUNA AND T.O. show never ends!!! I see it in the paper and in the news and it drives me nuts!!!! The Longhorns are fast becoming one of my favorite teams as an alternative to the Texans and you know, that Colt kid is something special.. but that's another story..

Yeah dude. I feel for you in that respect. The continuing saga "As the Star farts..." The Cowboys once were a class organization now they're relegated to buffoons. Check the Giant game thread on I think p40 or 42 and you'll see Mario 's AWESOME sack on Eli. Man, Mario just threw Whitfield to the turf, he abused him and then plants Eli on his ASS. Perfect form tackle. Eli never had a chance! :D

[hatemavs4life]

Yeah dude. I feel for you in that respect. The continuing saga "As the Star farts..." The Cowboys once were a class organization now they're relegated to buffoons. Check the Giant game thread on I think p40 or 42 and you'll see Mario 's AWESOME sack on Eli. Man, Mario just threw Whitfield to the turf, he abused him and then plants Eli on his ASS. Perfect form tackle. Eli never had a chance! :D

Correction p13 of the Giant game thread or on the previous page of this one. My mistake.

[SwoLy-D]

WOW! thanks slowly-D! Some scouts said he gives up in pursuits like that, but he showed persistance. His arms are soooooooo long he was able to get a hand on Vince. I was wondering if you have the Eli sack as well? If not that's cool.ARRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! :mad: It's SwoLy-D!!!!!!!!!!!

;) You're welcome, dude. Here is the Manning sack:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-614919460918995557&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

I think it was in the Giants' game thread...

[Bag0b0y]

ARRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! :mad: It's SwoLy-D!!!!!!!!!!!

;) You're welcome, dude. Here is the Manning sack:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-614919460918995557&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

I think it was in the Giants' game thread...

Oh, sorry swoly-d. thanks for the videos. How many sacks do yall think he will get agains J-ville?

[Bag0b0y]

Oh, sorry swoly-d. thanks for the videos. How many sacks do yall think he will get agains J-ville?

It would be great to make some kind of montage of every sack mario gets by the end of the year and send it to all those bush lovers in ESPN.

[SwoLy-D]

If you get me the exact time of the sack on the particular game, I can put it on G-video again. No problemo. ;)

[jgreen91]

It would be great to make some kind of montage of every sack mario gets by the end of the year and send it to all those bush lovers in ESPN.

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol

[SamFisher]

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol

jgreen, do you predict that Reggie Bush will break the storied 0 yards rushing mark this week? Or does his poor widdle ankle hurt too much?

[Master Baiter]

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol
He tackled Reggie Bush's mom and then give her bang bang in anals. High Five!

[rocketfan83]

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol

Dude your the biggest joke on the BBS.

[jgreen91]

jgreen, do you predict that Reggie Bush will break the storied 0 yards rushing mark this week? Or does his poor widdle ankle hurt too much?

The Pitt D is tough against the run, but I look for him to do more than Mario did today, that shouldn't be too tough lol. Play action to Bush, Brees TD, just as i type. Sweet.

[jgreen91]

Dude your the biggest joke on the BBS.

Dude, your is spelled you're when used in that context.

[Shroopy2]

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol
Player/Tackle
M. Williams 1
J. Babin 1
A. Weaver 1
A. Maddox 1
T. Johnson 1
S. Orr 1
N. Kalu 1

Okay?
If the D stops the other team repeatedly with 3 and outs and the offense holds onto the ball (Texans ran 80 plays to Jags 55), it's gonna lessen the overall defensive stats.

[H-Town Info]

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol

time to finally add u to my ignore list u "i love reggie bush and he's a God" douche bag

[jgreen91]

Player/Tackle
M. Williams 1
J. Babin 1
A. Weaver 1
A. Maddox 1
T. Johnson 1
S. Orr 1
N. Kalu 1


lol, why did you leave these guys off your list?

D. Robinson 7
D. Ryans 6
M. Greenwood 4
K. Wong 3

[jgreen91]

time to finally add u to my ignore list u "i love reggie bush and he's a God" douche bag

Thats not my stance. This is about Mario and he did nothing today.

[slowmustang]

Reggie finally got POSITIVE yards this week! Let's celebrate....for now. 10 yards! What a playmaker!

[SwoLy-D]

Dude, your is spelled you're when used in that context.OK, cool. Dude, you are the biggest joke in this bbs.

Also, please note that there is no such word as "equilavent (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=2580136#post2580136)" in the English dictionary. ;)

[Nick]

The Pitt D is tough against the run, but I look for him to do more than Mario did today, that shouldn't be too tough lol. Play action to Bush, Brees TD, just as i type. Sweet.

Except that Mario's team already won... and won with the defense.

If the Saints are able to win, and win with running the ball (Deuce included), we'll assess Reggie's "effectiveness."

Funny how you now look at the box score to site "moral victories", when before you simply judged a rookie's effectiveness on whehter or not his team won.

[Icehouse]

Yeah he did a lot today. 1 tackle? lol

He did more today than Bush did last week. 1 tackle is better than NOTHING, so it is a positive. As slow as you are, you should still be able to recognize that running for negative yardage is well....NEGATIVE.

We are sorry Mario had more tackles this week than Bush had rushing yards last week....

[jgreen91]

OK, cool. Dude, you are the biggest joke in this bbs. ;)

Of course I am. This bbs is full of UT homers, they team up against me and I become the joke. If the board were full of UT haters and 1 UT homer was around he'd be the joke of the board. get it?

[jgreen91]

He did more today than Bush did last week. 1 tackle is better than NOTHING, so it is a positive. As slow as you are, you should still be able to recognize that running for negative yardage is well....NEGATIVE.

We are sorry Mario had more tackles this week than Bush had rushing yards last week....

Why are we comparing this week to last week? Bush is playing now and the game is only in the 2nd quarter. Plus Mario had a cool "jump shot" last week so he was clearly tearing it up.

[SamFisher]

Of course I am. This bbs is full of UT homers, they team up against me and I become the joke. If the board were full of UT haters and 1 UT homer was around he'd be the joke of the board. get it?

Mario Williams didn't go to UT, perhaps with your misconception cleared up for you, by me, you will reform your wayward self-pwning ways.

[TigerBait]

I'm not a UT homer. Quite the opposite, actually, I go to OU.

I agree with Swoly.

[Shroopy2]

Player/Tackle
M. Williams 1
J. Babin 1
A. Weaver 1
A. Maddox 1
T. Johnson 1
S. Orr 1
N. Kalu 1



lol, why did you leave these guys off your list?

D. Robinson 7
D. Ryans 6
M. Greenwood 4
K. Wong 3

BECAUSE, those guys play other postions. I posted D-Lineman stats (except Orr)

Dolphins vs Chiefs today:
Jason Taylor 1 tackle
Dan Wilkinson 1 tackle
Keith Traylor ZERO tackles

Those guys suck and didnt do anything....
oh, Dolphins won 13-10 also.

[VesceySux]

Of course I am. This bbs is full of UT homers, they team up against me and I become the joke. If the board were full of UT haters and 1 UT homer was around he'd be the joke of the board. get it?

Oh, so now it's some UT conspiracy? Dude, get a f***ing grip. If everyone is being so unfair to you, why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting? Just leave the site. Go. Why bother being the brunt of every joke? Even Bush fans are embarrassed by you. I suggest you get a fresh start and take your "quality" posts here (http://www.igameface.com/forum/index.php?showforum=4) where people might actually care about what you have to say. Stop wasting your time on all of us "UT homers" and just leave.

[jgreen91]

Oh, so now it's some UT conspiracy? Dude, get a f***ing grip. If everyone is being so unfair to you, why don't you just do us all a favor and quit posting? Just leave the site. Go. Why bother being the brunt of every joke? Even Bush fans are embarrassed by you. I suggest you get a fresh start and take your "quality" posts here (http://www.igameface.com/forum/index.php?showforum=4) where people might actually care about what you have to say. Stop wasting your time on all of us "UT homers" and just leave.

I would never leave this bbs, then the UT gang would win including you. You are one of the biggest UT clansman on this board.

Bush just scored a sweet TD by the way.

[jgreen91]

Mario Williams didn't go to UT, perhaps with your misconception cleared up for you, by me, you will reform your wayward self-pwning ways.

But those UT fans, including yourself made it into a Vince vs. Bush issue before the draft. When the Texans didn't select either, the UT clansmen adopted Mario as their guy because they still had an agenda against Bush. You know i'm right, Sam.

[hatemavs4life]

jgreen91, this just in ... Willie Parker is a stud.

18 carries for 204 yds

Bush 9 carries for 44 yds. Decent numbers, not great.

[JeopardE]

Of course I am. This bbs is full of UT homers, they team up against me and I become the joke. If the board were full of UT haters and 1 UT homer was around he'd be the joke of the board. get it?

Newsflash, jgreen91: I am not a UT fan. You *ARE* the biggest joke on this BBS. What's worse, you know it's true, but you're desperately trying to front (and you'll probably keep it up till the season is over).

[Nick]

Bush 9 carries for 44 yds. Decent numbers, not great.

And when you take into account turnovers and teams winning/losing... Lundy was just as good today for us.

[ima_drummer2k]

And when you take into account turnovers and teams winning/losing... Lundy was just as good today for us.

Well, Lundy didn't have a momentum changing fumble like Reggie did.

[gucci888]

But those UT fans, including yourself made it into a Vince vs. Bush issue before the draft. When the Texans didn't select either, the UT clansmen adopted Mario as their guy because they still had an agenda against Bush. You know i'm right, Sam.

I guess it had nothing to do with Mario becoming a Houston Texan. :rolleyes:

It is hilarious how obsess you are with UT, why don't you just come out bigtexxx...no one gets owned a scrams like you do.

[chuichuitrain]

this thread is entertaining

oh and saints lost

[macalu]

Of course I am. This bbs is full of UT homers, they team up against me and I become the joke. If the board were full of UT haters and 1 UT homer was around he'd be the joke of the board. get it?
LOL, i sh!t on UT and i agree with the UT "homers".

[DaDakota]

Jgreen,

If you want to know why you are considered a joke by some, just read your posts.

It has nothing to do with your hatred of UT.....heck that is understandable.

It just has to do with you constantly being wrong.......and not admitting it.

All of us make bad predictions from time to time....see my Dan Langhi quote, but at least we can admit when we are mistaken.

DD

[VesceySux]

I would never leave this bbs, then the UT gang would win including you. You are one of the biggest UT clansman on this board.

Oh, man, how did I miss this gem?

Hahahahahahahaha!!! Looks like I struck a nerve. So, somehow I'm a huge UT homer, yet 1) I went to college in the NE, 2) Prior to school, I've spent the last 9 years in the state of New York, 3) I don't read or post on Hornfans, and 4) I've attended exactly TWO UT football games in the past 2 seasons (and I didn't stay past halftime at either game). Heck, the only UT paraphernalia I've bought since I started school was a UT National Championship shirt. But please, go ahead and continue to evaluate my character. You've been wrong on pretty much everything you've ever posted, anyway, so it's become kind of cute now. In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and retract my earlier statement. Please, by all means, stick around here, because watching your total meltdown will be pure entertainment. Oh, man, you're burning so bright now, the flame out is bound to be spectacular, like Death Star-exploding good.

And oh, BTW, despite your heroic "call to arms" galvanization against the dastardly evil, shadowy UT organization corrupting the very soul of Clutchfans, your antics have only succeeded in forming a multi-school coalition against you. Longhorns, Aggies, Sooners, Red Raiders, Cougars... heck even Mario fans, Bush fans, and Vince fans... we all have a common bond now, and it's you. You've brought us all closer as a family, so thanks, dude, for being our "War on Terror". Well done.

[swilkins]

Why are some of you so offended by jgreen91?

If he is doing this to yank your chain, you only have yourselves to blame.

If you don't like it, ignore it. It will go away. It always does.

[rsx_htown]

anyone got a gif or vid of mario williams lighting that jag wr who came up on the reverse?

[Buck Turgidson]

anyone got a gif or vid of mario williams lighting that jag wr who came up on the reverse?
That was beyond sick.

[LongTimeFan]

Imagine if he wasn't playing hurt. Plantar fas. ever go away? Or just through rest? Scares me he's having problems with his feet in the first year.

[Icehouse]

Why are some of you so offended by jgreen91?

If he is doing this to yank your chain, you only have yourselves to blame.

If you don't like it, ignore it. It will go away. It always does.

Very true. I am going to follow that advice.......

[Desert Scar]

Why are some of you so offended by jgreen91?

If he is doing this to yank your chain, you only have yourselves to blame.

If you don't like it, ignore it. It will go away. It always does.

I am not offended by him in the least. He is more like bad comedy. But some of us have to avoid using the ignore list and keep idiot posts in check, otherwise some other poor soul reading them for the 1st time may not know the background, and waste their time seeking merit buried somewhere in it.

[robbie380]

so i didn't get to watch the game....


how did mario look? his stat line looked very sad.

[JeopardE]

so i didn't get to watch the game....


how did mario look? his stat line looked very sad.

Mario looked pretty dominant out there ... he had to be doubled most of the second half. Numerous quarterback hurries, on at least one possession he hit the quarterback's hand as he was throwing forcing an INT, he was pretty much a one man wrecking crew out there...and probably a major reason for Demeco's big day. Too bad most of it didn't show on the statline, but our defense and special teams were the reason we won yesterday. Mario, Demeco and Jerome Mathis were three key ingredients to that.

[robbie380]

Mario looked pretty dominant out there ... he had to be doubled most of the second half. Numerous quarterback hurries, on at least one possession he hit the quarterback's hand as he was throwing forcing an INT, he was pretty much a one man wrecking crew out there...and probably a major reason for Demeco's big day. Too bad most of it didn't show on the statline, but our defense and special teams were the reason we won yesterday. Mario, Demeco and Jerome Mathis were three key ingredients to that.


good to hear. my friend who is reggie bush's fairweather lover had to point out mario had 2 tackles and no sacks.

[MadMax]

Mario looked pretty dominant out there ... he had to be doubled most of the second half. Numerous quarterback hurries, on at least one possession he hit the quarterback's hand as he was throwing forcing an INT, he was pretty much a one man wrecking crew out there...and probably a major reason for Demeco's big day. Too bad most of it didn't show on the statline, but our defense and special teams were the reason we won yesterday. Mario, Demeco and Jerome Mathis were three key ingredients to that.

one man wrecking crew?? man, i like mario, but isn't that a bit overstated?

[updawg]

I thought he looked real good, his stats may not have shown it but he was a force I thought.

[Nick]

I think a lot of the problem that people here have with evaluating Mario is that we're watching/examining/looking for/analyzing him nearly every play on defense... just like you would an offensive player who gets the ball.

If you watched some of the all-time greats on every single play... they wouldn't look all that impressive either. Its a different mode of evaluation when looking at defensive line guys... something that most fans of houston teams have never really done before.

Mario may not have had a sack yesterday... but I saw one play which could have been the most "disruptive" I've seen him all year (the one where he gets enough penetration to push his blocker into Aaron Brooks as he was trying to hand it off, and that resulted in the RB going nowhere).

I've watched Julius Peppers tonight on every play (like I watch Mario)... and I'm seeing a lot of similiarities. He's being double teamed (no sacks), but is still disrupting some runs, applying some pressure, and he definitely has his opponents sucking wind. If he is evaluated based on the box score, you say "he didn't do squat", but you cannot judge d-line players by stats only.

[TMac#1]

He looks pretty good out there, but lets not get ahead of himself. He got some pressure and disrupted a couple of plays vs. the worst offense ever. He's got 4.5 sacks people and most of them were where he just touched up the QB. You can't measure his success based on stats, blah, blah, blah. He is the #1 pick in the draft, you need more than 4.5 sacks and disrupting a few plays and getting double teamed out of the #1 pick in the draft. When you looks at what we coud have had, Mario has really had little impact. Reggie Bush with 4tds in 1 game, that is impact. VY with 21 and 14 pt comebacks against the Giants and Colts, that is impact. That is what you need to get out of #1 overall picks, not some double teams and some pressures. Julius Peppers rookie yr and he got plenty of sacks, and he was just as raw, heck be played basketball at North Carolina. Mario has been dissapointing so far, IMO. He doesn't try to go right after the QB like the best DEs do, it seems like he just engages his man and tries to battle him, not go after the QB.

[slowmustang]

I may have posted this on another thread but here are some "numbers" on the OAK game.

- He drew 2 holding penalites at the point of attack
- 4 QB pressures, one which led to INT
- out of 22 rushing attempts by OAK, 3 rushes went to his side.....resulting in FOUR yards

That is pretty darn good.

[gucci888]

He looks pretty good out there, but lets not get ahead of himself. He got some pressure and disrupted a couple of plays vs. the worst offense ever. He's got 4.5 sacks people and most of them were where he just touched up the QB. You can't measure his success based on stats, blah, blah, blah. He is the #1 pick in the draft, you need more than 4.5 sacks and disrupting a few plays and getting double teamed out of the #1 pick in the draft. When you looks at what we coud have had, Mario has really had little impact.

Who's getting ahead of themselves? No one is saying he has been amazing and has clearly been worthy of the #1 pick. But I think its safe to say that he has improved a whole lot since the first couple games and has shown that he will be a player in this league.

Stats do matter, but it isn't everything. When we played the Jets, Mario blew by D'Brick to basically collapse the OL and pressure Pennington, Maddox came in and got the sack. What shows up in the stat box for Mario? Nothing.

Disrupting plays and commanding double teams does a lot more than you think it does.

Reggie Bush with 4tds in 1 game, that is impact.

If having 1 good game is considered impact, then you could consider Mario's 1.5 sacks + game winning tip ball versus Miami to be impact.

Julius Peppers rookie yr and he got plenty of sacks, and he was just as raw, heck be played basketball at North Carolina.

So? Bo Jackson played baseball along with football at Auburn, that didn't mean Bo was raw though. If anything, it shows how good of an athlete Peppers was in college.

Peppers did get plenty of sacks his rookie year, the guy has proven to be one of the (if not the most) premier defensive player in the NFL. But a quick stat check will show that Mario only has 2 less tackles than Peppers had his rookie year, not too bad IMO.

[Rokkit]

The people who are saying Mario is 'dominating' and making a huge impact are doing more hyping than anything else. Just like the people who say he is a bust and nonexistant are overexaggerating.

Mario is fine. There are good signs that he will be a very good player in this league. But like many have said; at this point, to me, he hasn't looked like someone I would have taken with the first overall pick. Who knows, though; in time, it could all work out really, really well.

[H-Town Info]

mario has showed some brilliance here and there but still needs seasoning here and there.

[DaDakota]

Mario looks good, but NOT WORTH a number 1 pick.

Who is having a bigger impact the guy taken number 1, or the guy taken in the 2nd round?

DD

[rezdawg]

Mario looks good, but NOT WORTH a number 1 pick.

Who is having a bigger impact the guy taken number 1, or the guy taken in the 2nd round?

DD

You can argue that the guy taken in the 2nd round is having a bigger impact than any player in the 1st round.

[Jared Novak]

To answer the original question of the thread, I think Mario looks pretty good so far. If you want to compare the amount of impact plays Mario has vs. Reggie and Vince then he is going to lose every time.

I'm a defense guy and have watched Mario progress through the season. First couple of games he was lost, he adjusted to the speed of the game and the coaches stopped moving him around and let him do his thing. As a result he has made the pass rush better. The Texans are missing their two starting DTs (T. Johnson and Payne) and there are practice squad guys in their place.

Despite what you say about 4.5 sacks and a couple of tackles isn't good enough from the 1st overall pick in the draft, Mario is doing the best with what he has. The guy is playing with plantar fasciitis and still bursting off the line. He is drawing double teams and making the opposing offensive line account for him (lets call him a decoy since thats what everyone says for Reggie). I don't know if you remeber last season but there was almost no pass rush last season, the defense couldn't put pressure on the opposing QB to save their lives.

Having just watched the Panthers and Eagles game I saw Julius Peppers get no sacks but he was disruptive and applied pressure on Garcia which caused him to make errent throws. The Panthers didn't capitalize on them but Peppers applied pressure and was disruptive to the OL. Now since he registered no sacks in the game are you going to tell me that he sucks and didn't make an impact? Fighting in the trenches and being a lineman is a thankless job in football, its not a sexy position because you don't carry the ball and score. Mario and DeMeco have made his mark on the DL and hopefully we can some DTs, LBs and DBs to make this defense even more formidable.

[DaDakota]

To answer the original question of the thread, I think Mario looks pretty good so far. If you want to compare the amount of impact plays Mario has vs. Reggie and Vince then he is going to lose every time.

I'm a defense guy and have watched Mario progress through the season. First couple of games he was lost, he adjusted to the speed of the game and the coaches stopped moving him around and let him do his thing. As a result he has made the pass rush better. The Texans are missing their two starting DTs (T. Johnson and Payne) and there are practice squad guys in their place.

Despite what you say about 4.5 sacks and a couple of tackles isn't good enough from the 1st overall pick in the draft, Mario is doing the best with what he has. The guy is playing with plantar fasciitis and still bursting off the line. He is drawing double teams and making the opposing offensive line account for him (lets call him a decoy since thats what everyone says for Reggie). I don't know if you remeber last season but there was almost no pass rush last season, the defense couldn't put pressure on the opposing QB to save their lives.

Having just watched the Panthers and Eagles game I saw Julius Peppers get no sacks but he was disruptive and applied pressure on Garcia which caused him to make errent throws. The Panthers didn't capitalize on them but Peppers applied pressure and was disruptive to the OL. Now since he registered no sacks in the game are you going to tell me that he sucks and didn't make an impact? Fighting in the trenches and being a lineman is a thankless job in football, its not a sexy position because you don't carry the ball and score. Mario and DeMeco have made his mark on the DL and hopefully we can some DTs, LBs and DBs to make this defense even more formidable.

No, I think a Defensive lineman is an important piece, but not at the number 1 pick, when you have 2 game changing players like Young and Bush....

By the way, how did the Panthers do tonight? Did they win? Did Julius Peppers and their defense shut down a Donavan less Philly team?

DD

[Jared Novak]

No, I think a Defensive lineman is an important piece, but not at the number 1 pick, when you have 2 game changing players like Young and Bush....

By the way, how did the Panthers do tonight? Did they win? Did Julius Peppers and their defense shut down a Donavan less Philly team?

DD

So a QB and RB are #1 pick worthy?

Tell that to Tom Brady and Terrell Davis. You can find great players anywhere in the draft (look at Colston).

I don't understand how we can be eight months removed from the draft and everyone is still bitching about not draft Vince Young.

Mario is a fine player and helping everyone in the defense, this team now has a pass rush, something they were sorely lacking before.

[Mr. Clutch]

By the way, how did the Panthers do tonight? Did they win? Did Julius Peppers and their defense shut down a Donavan less Philly team?

DD

Here we go again. Panthers went to the Super Bowl in 2004 with a defense led by Julius Peppers.

[DaDakota]

Here we go again. Panthers went to the Super Bowl in 2004 with a defense led by Julius Peppers.


And, did they win that Superbowl? How did they do against Tom Brady?

Look, I like Peppers, but I would not take him number 1...when you can get talented players like Jevan Kearse in the mid to late first round....why would you EVER waste the NUMBER one pick on a defensive lineman?

I mean really?

DD

[TMac#1]

Having just watched the Panthers and Eagles game I saw Julius Peppers get no sacks but he was disruptive and applied pressure on Garcia which caused him to make errent throws.

That is basically all Mario has done. You don't use the #1 overall pick to get disruption on a few plays and cause some errant throws, luckily Peppers racks up 15 sacks a yr, and there was really no one else in the draft when he went #2. He was sandwiched between David Carr and Joey Harrington. Ugh. If Peppers would have been in the draft last yr with Vince and Reggie, there is no way I'd take Peppers #1 like we did with Mario. In fact there is not 1 defensive player in football I would take #1 over a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Tomlinson or Carson Palmer. These guys make huge impacts ALL GAME LONG.

A #1 pick should be a major impact player. Not disruptive on a few plays during the game.

The bottom line is that Mario will never live up to being a #1 pick, it was a stupid pick, everybody knew it when they did it, and it was a mistake. There is not one other team in our situation last yr that would have taken Mario over Vince or Reggie.

[DaDakota]

So a QB and RB are #1 pick worthy?

Tell that to Tom Brady and Terrell Davis. You can find great players anywhere in the draft (look at Colston).

I don't understand how we can be eight months removed from the draft and everyone is still bitching about not draft Vince Young.

Mario is a fine player and helping everyone in the defense, this team now has a pass rush, something they were sorely lacking before.

Oh, I agree, you can certainly find gems in the draft at all positions, but I believe that it is harder to judge defensive lineman prior to the draft than any other position.

And, IMHO, it makes taking a defensive lineman a MASSIVE risk, even more than a QB that can run and has a quirky throwing motion.

Great D-Lineman are good to have, but I believe that the leaders of the team generally come from the QB position on offense and the LB position on defense.

I WOULD take a stud Linebacker at number 1, but not a DE, or DL, unless the guy dominated at the collegate level consistently, which Mario did not do.

DD

[TMac#1]

And, did they win that Superbowl? How did they do against Tom Brady?

Look, I like Peppers, but I would not take him number 1...when you can get talented players like Jevan Kearse in the mid to late first round....why would you EVER waste the NUMBER one pick on a defensive lineman?

I mean really?

DD


Damn right. How could people not see this?? Tom Bradys and Terrell Davis are anomalys, they are not the norm. You can't count on finding guys like that. You don't go into a draft syaing, well lets get our franchise QB in the 6th round. Those guys are found money.

I would have to be completely wasted or under torture to take f'n Mario Williams over Vince Young or Reggie Bush. It couldn't be any more obvious.

[TMac#1]

So a QB and RB are #1 pick worthy?

I don't understand how we can be eight months removed from the draft and everyone is still bitching about not draft Vince Young.

Mario is a fine player and helping everyone in the defense, this team now has a pass rush, something they were sorely lacking before.

How could we not be bitching???

Look at us, David Carr is a like rookie out there on offense in his 5th yr, we have 0 running game at all, and our defense still sucks, it is a bottom 5 defense, Mario really hasn't done sh!t besides get a few pressures here and there.

We have a pass rush, what team have you been watching. The one that goit absolutely lit up by JP Losman and Chad Pennington, or the one that got some pass rush against the worst offense ever in Oakland???

[IC2000]

Here we go again. Panthers went to the Super Bowl in 2004 with a defense led by Julius Peppers.
What the hell has mario williams done? I hate Vince Young but wish we had him or bush instead of williams. How many legitimate sacks has he made? 2

[Jared Novak]

That is basically all Mario has done. You don't use the #1 overall pick to get disruption on a few plays and cause some errant throws, luckily Peppers racks up 15 sacks a yr, and there was really no one else in the draft when he went #2. He was sandwiched between David Carr and Joey Harrington. Ugh. If Peppers would have been in the draft last yr with Vince and Reggie, there is no way I'd take Peppers #1 like we did with Mario. In fact there is not 1 defensive player in football I would take #1 over a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Tomlinson or Carson Palmer. These guys make huge impacts ALL GAME LONG.

A #1 pick should be a major impact player. Not disruptive on a few plays during the game.

The bottom line is that Mario will never live up to being a #1 pick, it was a stupid pick, everybody knew it when they did it, and it was a mistake. There is not one other team in our situation last yr that would have taken Mario over Vince or Reggie.

Mario has started to do what he was drafted to do and this apply pressure and be a disruption along the line.

When the 2002 draft came around David Carr and Joey Harrington were all the rage. Harrington was getting some Heisman love and Carr was being lauded for his stellar play at Fresno State which shocked the world that year with their play. Now you want to say that they were nobodys in the draft, bull**** I'm sure you were cheering the pick along with everyone else. next you'll tell me you saw the whole Eddie Griffin debacle happening when he was still at Seton Hall.

You're right no one would take a defensive player over Manning, LT and Brady if they were starting a team from scratch. This team had a QB that they invested in (and money plays a huge part of who plays in the league) as well as a 1,000 yard rusher. So why take something you don't need. If Philly had the #1 pick this upcoming draft would they take Brady Quinn? How about Adrain Peterson? No they would look to trade down, maybe take an OL or some defensive help.

So you're telling me that Mario has had no impact on this team at all? You mean to tell me that some of the success that the defense is having Mario has no hand in it whatsoever? I guess you're not watching the games, or the games from last season where the opposing QB had all week to throw the ball.

The simple fact is that Mario has quietly put together a good first season and because he doesn't show up on highlight reels or get boffed by the clowns at ESPN he gets no love and is automatically a bust. There are plenty of team that would've taken Leinart and Cutler ahead of Vince, in fact it was widely reported that the Titans really wanted Leinart. If I had to do it all again I'd pick Vince first with how bad Carr is playing, I'd still take Mario over Reggie, but thats hindsight and looking back is gonna do us no good.

[Jared Novak]

How could we not be bitching???

Look at us, David Carr is a like rookie out there on offense in his 5th yr, we have 0 running game at all, and our defense still sucks, it is a bottom 5 defense, Mario really hasn't done sh!t besides get a few pressures here and there.

We have a pass rush, what team have you been watching. The one that goit absolutely lit up by JP Losman and Chad Pennington, or the one that got some pass rush against the worst offense ever in Oakland???

So all that bitching is going to magically make Vince a Texan?

The pass rush didn't get lit uip by Losman he threw two quick slants to Lee who burned Faggins.

I've just never seen so-called fans bitch so much about what could've been.

[TMac#1]

You're right no one would take a defensive player over Manning, LT and Brady if they were starting a team from scratch. This team had a QB that they invested in (and money plays a huge part of who plays in the league) as well as a 1,000 yard rusher. So why take something you don't need. If Philly had the #1 pick this upcoming draft would they take Brady Quinn? How about Adrain Peterson? No they would look to trade down, maybe take an OL or some defensive help.

We had a QB that had been terrible for 4 yrs and had his brains beaten in for 4yrs, and they could have let him walk away with no more money invested, and a good RB with a chronic knee problem who has never stayed healthy in any of his 4 yrs in the league.

Philadelphia on the other hand has a QB that is a perennial probowler and MVP candidate, led them to 4 straight NFC title games and a SuperBowl. and they dont run the football, so they wouldnt need Peterson. But Brian Westbrook is a good player anyway. They would take Quinn or Peterson because they have great players at those positions, not the crap we did/do.

[TMac#1]

So all that bitching is going to magically make Vince a Texan?

The pass rush didn't get lit uip by Losman he threw two quick slants to Lee who burned Faggins.

I've just never seen so-called fans bitch so much about what could've been.

No, but it makes me feel better.

And 1 of the Losman TDs was a deep ball where he had all day. Plus the other almost 200 yds besides those passes. And what about Pennington? He tore us up too.

[Jared Novak]

We had a QB that had been terrible for 4 yrs and had his brains beaten in for 4yrs, and they could have let him walk away with no more money invested, and a good RB with a chronic knee problem who has never stayed healthy in any of his 4 yrs in the league.

Philadelphia on the other hand has a QB that is a perennial probowler and MVP candidate, led them to 4 straight NFC title games and a SuperBowl. and they dont run the football, so they wouldnt need Peterson. But Brian Westbrook is a good player anyway. They would take Quinn or Peterson because they have great players at those positions, not the crap we did/do.

Kubiak and staff made the decision that Carr was their guy and that DD was a servicable RB that could run in the "Denver system".

The team viewed themselves as not needing a QB or RB with a first round pick. They needed defense and OL help. Thats why the first two picks were defense. The last two picks on the first day were both OL.

A 1,000+ yard/season rusher is crap? If you want to scrap Carr now thats fine I won't argue that, but don't say that we were in the market for a QB when that choice got made way before the draft. Kubiak thought/thinks he can win with David Carr. I've seen Kubiak's football credentials, haven't seen yours, but I'll go with Kubiak everyday and twice on Sunday.

[Jared Novak]

No, but it makes me feel better.

No it doesn't, you continue to bring it up cause you like to torture yourself with the thought of Vince as a Texan instead of a Titan. Move on.

And 1 of the Losman TDs was a deep ball where he had all day. Plus the other almost 200 yds besides those passes. And what about Pennington? He tore us up too.

Mario got pressure on Losman thats why he was double-teamed most of the game. He's one man and doesn't always get to the QB. Football is a team game and it takes all 11 guys doing their job to win. Just like Vince doesn't win all by himself.

As for Pennington lighting us up, who hasn't besides the Jags, the secondary is crap (sans Dunta).

[TMac#1]

Kubiak and staff made the decision that Carr was their guy and that DD was a servicable RB that could run in the "Denver system".

The team viewed themselves as not needing a QB or RB with a first round pick. They needed defense and OL help. Thats why the first two picks were defense. The last two picks on the first day were both OL.

A 1,000+ yard/season rusher is crap? If you want to scrap Carr now thats fine I won't argue that, but don't say that we were in the market for a QB when that choice got made way before the draft. Kubiak thought/thinks he can win with David Carr. I've seen Kubiak's football credentials, haven't seen yours, but I'll go with Kubiak everyday and twice on Sunday.

That is the whole point, he/they were wrong, they were wrong about Carr, and wrong that they didn't need a RB. Kubiak thought/thinks he could win with Carr, I don't care about his credentials, he was wrong. DD is not crap, but he can't stay healthy and has been on IR the whole year, and will probably never play here again.

[gucci888]

And, did they win that Superbowl? How did they do against Tom Brady?

That Patriots team was unstoppable, don't try to take anything away from Peppers because they lost to a team that would go on to win 3 straight Super Bowls.

Look, I like Peppers, but I would not take him number 1...when you can get talented players like Jevan Kearse in the mid to late first round....why would you EVER waste the NUMBER one pick on a defensive lineman?

I mean really?

DD

DD- You know I am a HUGE VY fan and I'm still pissed that we passed on for Mario, but this isn't a good argument.

Bruce Smith was a #1 overall pick, think the Bills felt like they wasted the pick? Peppers was the 2nd overall pick, think the Panthers felt like they wasted it. Simeon Rice was the 3rd overall pick. Orlando Pace was the #1 overall pick, etc...

Of course you can point out that guys like Kearse were found later or that Courtney Brown was a complete bust. But saying that its a WASTE to use a high pick on a DL is silly because there have been plenty of guys that have been worthy of it.

[Jared Novak]

That is the whole point, he/they were wrong, they were wrong about Carr, and wrong that they didn't need a RB. Kubiak thought/thinks he could win with Carr, I don't care about his credentials, he was wrong. DD is not crap, but he can't stay healthy and has been on IR the whole year, and will probably never play here again.

But that was their decision to make not yours.

The Texans as a whole have invested quite a bit in David Carr. They weren't going to let him walk away with nothing to show for it. Kubiak is/was his last chance at redeeming his career in Houston. He has five games left, lets hope he shows us the potential that Kubiak sees in him. Personally no matter what he does I think he is gone next season.

You called him crap and I'm just letting you know that a 1,000 yard/ season rusher is pretty damn good. We all drooled over what DD could've done in this "Denver system", but you're right he'll never play again.

[DaDakota]

That Patriots team was unstoppable, don't try to take anything away from Peppers because they lost to a team that would go on to win 3 straight Super Bowls.

3 out of 4.

;)





DD- You know I am a HUGE VY fan and I'm still pissed that we passed on for Mario, but this isn't a good argument.

Bruce Smith was a #1 overall pick, think the Bills felt like they wasted the pick? Peppers was the 2nd overall pick, think the Panthers felt like they wasted it. Simeon Rice was the 3rd overall pick. Orlando Pace was the #1 overall pick, etc...

Of course you can point out that guys like Kearse were found later or that Courtney Brown was a complete bust. But saying that its a WASTE to use a high pick on a DL is silly because there have been plenty of guys that have been worthy of it.

It is just my opinion, and we are not talking about HIGH picks but the number 1 pick in the draft, and in a year where 2 freakishly good athletes are there at skill positions.

Heck, VY is a SUPER freak for a QB.....and that gives a LOT more of an advantage over any D-lineman...IMHO.

DD

[ima_drummer2k]

By the way, how did the Panthers do tonight? Did they win? Did Julius Peppers and their defense shut down a Donavan less Philly team?

DD
Excellent point, DD. I completely agree with your premise here.

What you're saying is that the Texans did the right thing by passing on VY because, as you correctly pointed out by using the Philly win last night as an example, you don't need a 'star' QB to win games.

Good to see you've finally come around.

[DaDakota]

Excellent point, DD. I completely agree with your premise here.

What you're saying is that the Texans did the right thing by passing on VY because, as you correctly pointed out by using the Philly win last night as an example, you don't need a 'star' QB to win games.

Good to see you've finally come around.

Oh the irony !!

LOL - I give you props though drummer.....

Maybe the Texans should go out and get a veteran backup QB to put some pressure on Carr, or to have someone to turn to when Carr is passing for that -5 yards in a game.

:D

DD

[MadMax]

What the hell has mario williams done? I hate Vince Young but wish we had him or bush instead of williams. How many legitimate sacks has he made? 2

:eek: :eek: :eek:

THIS ARGUMENT IS OFFICIALLY OVER!!!

You know it's bad when IC2000 says HE wishes the Texans had drafted VY!!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[updawg]

The Texans as a whole have invested quite a bit in David Carr. They weren't going to let him walk away with nothing to show for it. Kubiak is/was his last chance at redeeming his career in Houston. He has five games left, lets hope he shows us the potential that Kubiak sees in him. Personally no matter what he does I think he is gone next season.


I hope you're right but why the 3 year extension? why not less if they were still evaluating?

[MR. MEOWGI]

So all that bitching is going to magically make Vince a Texan?

The pass rush didn't get lit uip by Losman he threw two quick slants to Lee who burned Faggins.

I've just never seen so-called fans bitch so much about what could've been.

This gets me too. People are still hanging on to what they wish was reality instead of what is. They go as far to support another team in a vain attempt to make their desires come true. This is called a conceptual attachment.

[Mr. Clutch]

3 out of 4.

;)






It is just my opinion, and we are not talking about HIGH picks but the number 1 pick in the draft, and in a year where 2 freakishly good athletes are there at skill positions.

Heck, VY is a SUPER freak for a QB.....and that gives a LOT more of an advantage over any D-lineman...IMHO.

DD

LenDale White is not a freak. And Mario Williams is a freak.

[Mr. Clutch]

What the hell has mario williams done? I hate Vince Young but wish we had him or bush instead of williams. How many legitimate sacks has he made? 2

How many legitimate sacks does Peppers have? I don't know, but I know that at least Mario was able to get to the QB 4.5 times before the QB could get rid of the ball. Our defensive was the worst in the league last year. Now it is respectable and on it's way to be pretty good.

What is Reggie Bush's averge yards per carry? What is Vince Young's completion percentage? Every rookie struggles.

[Groogrux]

Check out Don Banks' latest column (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/12/04/draft.redo.part1/index.html).

Texans have two of the top 8. Not bad at all.

[TMac#1]

Our defensive was the worst in the league last year. Now it is respectable and on it's way to be pretty good.

The Texans are currently 25th in total defense, 24th in scoring defense, 27th in passing defense, 22nd in sack, 29th in takeaways.They still suck.

[krnxsnoopy]

The Texans are currently 25th in total defense, 24th in scoring defense, 27th in passing defense, 22nd in sack, 29th in takeaways.They still suck.


agreed.. Not being the WORST should not be an accomplishment.. Especially after a #1 pick.

[Mr. Clutch]

The Texans are currently 25th in total defense, 24th in scoring defense, 27th in passing defense, 22nd in sack, 29th in takeaways.They still suck.

You forget to mention rush defense. We have gone from dead last to 16th in the league. From 144 yards given up to 116. That's a pretty big change.

Our secondary is still pretty bad, we need to address the safety and one of the cornerback spots.

[IC2000]

You forget to mention rush defense. We have gone from dead last to 16th in the league. From 144 yards given up to 116. That's a pretty big change.

Our secondary is still pretty bad, we need to address the safety and one of the cornerback spots.
Am i missing something? Mario looked like crap again today. He even got benched in the 4th quarter. Has he had a good game yet?

[twoface723]

Did Mario play today. :confused:

[gucci888]

Did Mario play today. :confused:

Yes he did.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/enhumanoids/311xInlineGallery.jpg

[TMac#1]

Mario was a complete non factor as he is every week. Where was his big impact that a #1 pick should have???? Vince had impact, Mario is a joke, and its not because of plantar fasciatis. Unless Jack Bauer himself had me under torture, there would never be another reason. Especially when you have Vince f'n Young and Reggie Bush on the board. Total mistake.

[TMac#1]

I bet 31 out of 32 GMs would not take Mario over either Vince or Reggie.

[gr8-1]

The Texans are currently 25th in total defense, 24th in scoring defense, 27th in passing defense, 22nd in sack, 29th in takeaways.They still suck.

You're not gonna guess who ranks last in total D. That's right. The Titans.

[rhino17]

I bet 31 out of 32 GMs would not take Mario over either Vince or Reggie.

I bet you'd be wrong

[HillBoy]

Mario was a complete non factor as he is every week. Where was his big impact that a #1 pick should have???? Vince had impact, Mario is a joke, and its not because of plantar fasciatis. Unless Jack Bauer himself had me under torture, there would never be another reason. Especially when you have Vince f'n Young and Reggie Bush on the board. Total mistake.
The biggest problem Mario has is that he's being outplayed by Demeco every week and it will be Demeco and not Mario who'll be getting postseason mentions and when you were the first pick in the entire draft, that has to suck.

[rhino17]

I bet 31 out of 32 GMs would not take Mario over either Vince or Reggie.

I bet you'd be wrong

Sorry, Misread your post, I agree with you %100

[NewRoxFan]

Williams is a junior who came out early for the 2006 NFL Draft. He was a tough player to grade at times because when he does not attack, he does not consistently impact the play. He goes through some stretches where he does not dominate at the level he is capable of. He has the rare combination of size, strength and athleticism for a defensive end -- When he plays aggressively, he can be a completely disruptive force in every aspect of the game. For a college defensive end, he has a surprising variety of pass-rush moves. He can beat the offensive tackle with a swim/arm-over move, an aggressive club move and a strong inside rip move. While he will never be the explosive speed/edge rusher that the Colts' Dwight Freeney is, he has the ability to beat the offensive tackle around the corner, can beat him through the inside gap or can just jolt and drive him backward into the quarterback's lap. Williams did not consistently dominate, but overall he was a very productive defensive end who impacted one play out of every 9.5 snaps playing both defensive end and defensive tackle. He offers the veratility to be able to slide inside to defensive tackle and has shown the consistent ability to pressure the quarterback when he does. In the end, he is going to be a premier defensive end in the NFL who consistently impacts/changes games, but he will always be a bit frustrating because he will go through some stretches where he does not produce to the level he is capable of.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/williams_mario

[sammy]

Mario was a non-factor today. I dont even remember seeing him that much in the fourth quarter. If the foot is bothering him, he should just pack it up for the season.

On a side note, Kubiak being conservative cost us the game yet again. At the end of the game...he chose to run the ball on third down (no gain practically) to set up the game-tying field goal, instead of going for the first down and extending the drive so we could go ahead. How can Carr even lead the team on a game winning drive when the coach doesnt allow him to?

[Rokkit]

How can Carr even lead the team on a game winning drive when the coach doesnt allow him to?

Because Kubiak doesn't have any confidence anymore than he can. His problem with turnovers and bouts of inconsistency seemed to have spooked Kubiak into playing Carr to 'not lose the game' rather than 'to win'.

Whether that is more a fault of the coach or the QB is debatable; but either way, something has to change.

[krnxsnoopy]

I bet 31 out of 32 GMs would not take Mario over either Vince or Reggie.


LOL... painfully true.. :D

[DaDakota]

Williams is a junior who came out early for the 2006 NFL Draft. He was a tough player to grade at times because when he does not attack, he does not consistently impact the play. He goes through some stretches where he does not dominate at the level he is capable of. He has the rare combination of size, strength and athleticism for a defensive end -- When he plays aggressively, he can be a completely disruptive force in every aspect of the game. For a college defensive end, he has a surprising variety of pass-rush moves. He can beat the offensive tackle with a swim/arm-over move, an aggressive club move and a strong inside rip move. While he will never be the explosive speed/edge rusher that the Colts' Dwight Freeney is, he has the ability to beat the offensive tackle around the corner, can beat him through the inside gap or can just jolt and drive him backward into the quarterback's lap. Williams did not consistently dominate, but overall he was a very productive defensive end who impacted one play out of every 9.5 snaps playing both defensive end and defensive tackle. He offers the veratility to be able to slide inside to defensive tackle and has shown the consistent ability to pressure the quarterback when he does. In the end, he is going to be a premier defensive end in the NFL who consistently impacts/changes games, but he will always be a bit frustrating because he will go through some stretches where he does not produce to the level he is capable of.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/williams_mario

Which is why I could not believe the Texans took him number 1....just mind numbingly dumb.

DD

[rdsgonzo13]

Mario was a non-factor today. I dont even remember seeing him that much in the fourth quarter. If the foot is bothering him, he should just pack it up for the season.

On a side note, Kubiak being conservative cost us the game yet again. At the end of the game...he chose to run the ball on third down (no gain practically) to set up the game-tying field goal, instead of going for the first down and extending the drive so we could go ahead. How can Carr even lead the team on a game winning drive when the coach doesnt allow him to?

Mario was completely dominated and thrown around like a ragdoll today by the Titans OT's.

If the draft was reheld today, is Mario even a first round pick?

[rdsgonzo13]

You're not gonna guess who ranks last in total D. That's right. The Titans.

Let's remember the nature of the rankings system. It only looks at yards.

It does NOT consider turnovers forced.

It does NOT consider points against

It does NOT consider 3rd down % or red zone %.

It does NOT consider how much help your defense gets from your offense.

It's just one piece in evaluating a defense.

Do you think the Raiders have the third best defense in the NFL? Well, the rankings have them as the #3 overall and #1 ranked pass Defense.

Rankings, shmankings. The Texans have made some improvements on defense due mainly to Demeco Ryans, who looks like a perennial probowler type talent, but they still have a long way to go.

Similarly the Titans are not a good defense by any means, but they aren't the worst defense in the NFL, regardless of yardage rank. The worst D in the NFL doesn't hold the Colts offense to 31 pts in 2 games.

[NewRoxFan]

Salt... wound.... :mad:

[TMac#1]

Which is why I could not believe the Texans took him number 1....just mind numbingly dumb.

DD

Just mind blowing. You back and it is just completely unthinkable. I still can't believe it. 12 games through he is a bust so far, he may turn out to be an OK player, but for now, this season he is a bust.Most of the time he is manhandled 1on1 with a tight end. Maybe McNair is a retard or something, or he was under torture or blackmail.

[trifecta333]

Texans are clueless of what to do when they have the #1 pick.

2002- David Carr
2006- Mario Williams
= BUST
:mad:

[ubigred]

http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/416752.jpg

Mario needs roids.

...and a conehead.


LOL AHAHAHA