Carr is done

[bplld]

I always supported him. He is done though. Single handedly cost us the game. Everyone did so good, but he just sucked.

[Jeff]

He deserved to get benched. While I'm glad that we will move on at this point given how bad and inconsistent Carr has been, there are a few things that I'm not really thrilled about:

1. The number of "I told you so's" and "we should've drafted Vince" from fantasy sports guys, who think because they've won their fantasy league 2 out of the last 5 seasons they should be the GM of an NFL team, is going to make me want to abandon my will to live.

2. Bud Adams is happy and gloating.

3. Carr is still signed for 3 more years and his trade value just went in the dumper.

4. We're going to have to waste another draft pick on a quarterback when we should be focused on other positions.

5. We still keep losing.

[Aceshigh7]

Yea, and it only took half a season and several more losses for Kubiak to figure out what I knew prior to the draft. Carr is not the answer. I don't play fantasy sports but i've never liked Carr.

[Rocket River]

H
4. We're going to have to waste another draft pick on a quarterback when we should be focused on other positions.



For someone who has given David 5 yrs . . . .
You cannot give Sage 1 season?

Rocket River

[Jeff]

Yea, and it only took half a season and several more losses for Kubiak to figure out what I knew prior to the draft. Carr is not the answer.

See what I mean. It took one post!!! Thanks for proving my point.




:cool:

[nigma2000]

He deserved to get benched. While I'm glad that we will move on at this point given how bad and inconsistent Carr has been, there are a few things that I'm not really thrilled about:

1. The number of "I told you so's" and "we should've drafted Vince" from fantasy sports guys, who think because they've won their fantasy league 2 out of the last 5 seasons they should be the GM of an NFL team, is going to make me want to abandon my will to live.

2. Bud Adams is happy and gloating.

3. Carr is still signed for 3 more years and his trade value just went in the dumper.

4. We're going to have to waste another draft pick on a quarterback when we should be focused on other positions.

5. We still keep losing.


I think unless we have a chance to get a sure thing like Quinn in the draft, there is no way we waste a high pick on a QB again. We need to win now, so free agency it is

[Major Malcontent]

I am glad we benched Carr today.

That said I think there is no QB controversy and that Carr has "mostly" improved a little this year.

To me this benching was all about Kubiak telling Captain Hairdo that he (Kubiak) is NOT Dom Capers and that if the good Capt wants to avoid significant pine time...he is responsible to keep improving and to take care of the football.

[VesceySux]

Jeff, I disagree with your notion that Carr has no trade value. There are several teams in the league that would LOVE to have Carr on their team right now. Granted, those teams may not give up their highest draft pick, but still, I'd be willing to bet they'd part with something decent for Carr. Just my $.02.

[HillBoy]

He deserved to get benched. While I'm glad that we will move on at this point given how bad and inconsistent Carr has been, there are a few things that I'm not really thrilled about:

1. The number of "I told you so's" and "we should've drafted Vince" from fantasy sports guys, who think because they've won their fantasy league 2 out of the last 5 seasons they should be the GM of an NFL team, is going to make me want to abandon my will to live.

2. Bud Adams is happy and gloating.

3. Carr is still signed for 3 more years and his trade value just went in the dumper.

4. We're going to have to waste another draft pick on a quarterback when we should be focused on other positions.

5. We still keep losing.
Of all the reasons you list I find no. 2 the hardest one to swallow because old Bottom-Line was right: his rookie QB plays with more poise and confidence than our 5 year veteran. Carr had his chance today to put all of that VY talk to rest. Instead he sucked ass and fell on his ass. Every time he has a chance to step up and make a statement, he wilts and it's become a broken record. Maybe a change of scenery will help him but it's too late for him in Houston because he will never be able to live down the VY comparisons. Jeff is right, it's time to start looking elsewhere.

[Jeff]

For someone who has given David 5 yrs . . . .
You cannot give Sage 1 season?

Rocket River

Not saying that at all. Just saying that the odds Rosenfelds is Tom Brady part deaux is incredibly slim and, as such, you have to start contemplating the "quarterback of the future" at some point in the next couple of years. Rosenfelds is already 28 and has never been the franchise qb, so it is only logical that you will have to look for another guy SOONER than if Carr would've worked out.

[Jeff]

Jeff, I disagree with your notion that Carr has no trade value. There are several teams in the league that would LOVE to have Carr on their team right now. Granted, those teams may not give up their highest draft pick, but still, I'd be willing to bet they'd part with something decent for Carr. Just my $.02.

If they get better than a 4th, Rick Smith should win GM of the century.

[Rocket River]

Not saying that at all. Just saying that the odds Rosenfelds is Tom Brady part deaux is incredibly slim and, as such, you have to start contemplating the "quarterback of the future" at some point in the next couple of years. Rosenfelds is already 28 and has never been the franchise qb, so it is only logical that you will have to look for another guy SOONER than if Carr would've worked out.


My bad
I have NO IDEA Sage was that old
If you go for QB of the Future .. . . Sage could be Cody Carlson
[just a better .. less fragile version]

Rocket River

[rocketfan83]

I have no idea what's going to happen but I'd still start Carr but his leash is short.

He's looked okay this year just terrible today.

I'm probaly on the minority on this but thats what I'd do.

[Aceshigh7]

See what I mean. It took one post!!! Thanks for proving my point.




:cool:

Jeff. What does it matter to have the "I told you so's.", if it's true? :)

[Major]

1. The number of "I told you so's" and "we should've drafted Vince" from fantasy sports guys, who think because they've won their fantasy league 2 out of the last 5 seasons they should be the GM of an NFL team, is going to make me want to abandon my will to live.


Of course, you had just as many people insisting that Carr is the answer, yadda yadda yadda. And when Carr does well, they all come out in force telling the anti-Carr people that they are stupid. Why should it be any different in reverse?

[shawn786]

I have no idea what's going to happen but I'd still start Carr but his leash is short.

Agreed. Carr better get his act together & quick or we might be see a new starting QB sooner than later...

[Major]

Not saying that at all. Just saying that the odds Rosenfelds is Tom Brady part deaux is incredibly slim and, as such, you have to start contemplating the "quarterback of the future" at some point in the next couple of years. Rosenfelds is already 28 and has never been the franchise qb, so it is only logical that you will have to look for another guy SOONER than if Carr would've worked out.

This assumes you need a "QB of the future" though. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc have shown you don't necessarily need a star QB to win even a Superbowl, let alone to build a competitive team (which should be the Texans' goal right now). Go get a solid vet QB (or Rosenfels) and look a for a QB a few years from now.

[Major]

I have no idea what's going to happen but I'd still start Carr but his leash is short.


I think you have to give Rosenfels some legit time with the 1st team in practice and then in the games - you have to find out once and for all whether Carr is a symptom or a cause. With limited playing time, it's impossible.

[DonnyMost]

http://kruft.homestead.com/files/kolbtexans.jpg

[The Real Shady]

http://kruft.homestead.com/files/kolbtexans.jpg

:D I like it.

[Jared Novak]

Carr is not done.

Carr was careless with the ball, and no coach is going to let a player who turns the ball over three times and throws into quadruple coverage stay in the game, especially in a winnable game.

David Carr had a brain fart today, but he has looked great this season so far. But there were a lot of mistakes today. Andre dropped a couple of balls, Sheperd had a couple of "Carr" moments, offsides penalties killed them.

Carr is the starter, he'll bounce back and do good next week.

Go Texans!

[The Real Shady]

On the texans message board someone posted that Kubiak said Carr will be the starter next week. :(

I guess Kubiak wants to secure a higher draft pick next year to select another QB.

[HillBoy]

According to 610 radio, Kubiak was asked point blank in the locker room about the starting QB next week and he emphatically said that Carr will start. Says that he's seen QBs go through stages like the one Carr is going through right now. Also said that he told David that he had to take better care of the football and when Carr didn't, Kubiak made the switch to Rosenfels.

[rhino17]

Jeff, I disagree with your notion that Carr has no trade value. There are several teams in the league that would LOVE to have Carr on their team right now. Granted, those teams may not give up their highest draft pick, but still, I'd be willing to bet they'd part with something decent for Carr. Just my $.02.

I dont think anyone would give more than a 7th or maybe a 6th rounder for Carr. At the end of the day, Carr is NOT a leader and he never will be. That is one of the most important components of being an NFL quarterback.

[DonnyMost]

Also said that he told David that he had to take better care of the football and when Carr didn't, Kubiak made the switch to Rosenfels.

Kubiak has a much longer leash than Carr and he's using that to his advantage.

I like it.

[SwoLy-D]

Hillboy, I think it started with the pass into CUADRUPLE coverage that made Kubiak mad, then he gave him a talk about taking care of the ball and David seemed to disregard it. Hence the benching. Taught him a lesson he will never forget. He will bounce back. He was not good today.Carr is not done.
...
Carr is the starter, he'll bounce back and do good next week.
Go Texans!I had to edit your post, but you said everything I wanted to say and left the major points in there. Thank you. Carr is NOT done.

[rhino17]

,I had to edit your post, but you said everything I wanted to say and left the major points in there. Thank you. Carr is NOT done.

Except that he is done

[A_3PO]

We don't know if Carr is done. If he lays another egg next week and Rosenfelds becomes the starter, then we can look back and say he was done today. If Carr bounces back and quits throwing interceptions, then today was just a big bump in the road.

[Kerfeld]

Carr is not done.

Carr was careless with the ball, and no coach is going to let a player who turns the ball over three times and throws into quadruple coverage stay in the game, especially in a winnable game.

David Carr had a brain fart today, but he has looked great this season so far. But there were a lot of mistakes today. Andre dropped a couple of balls, Sheperd had a couple of "Carr" moments, offsides penalties killed them.

Carr is the starter, he'll bounce back and do good next week.

Go Texans!

I am with you. I know I am one of the few Carr supporters on the BBS, but I still believe that he can get it done. Plus, there is a reason why Sage Rosenfels is a back up.

[Pocket Rockets]

I am with you. I know I am one of the few Carr supporters on the BBS, but I still believe that he can get it done. Plus, there is a reason why Sage Rosenfels is a back up.

yea, because we have to give every possible opportunity for carr to fail :rolleyes:

[solid]

My quess is that Carr will start next week. Carr is good-looking, likeable kid. He has outstanding skills, a very strong accurate passer. BUT, he lacks "it." I am not sure how to define "it," but I know it when I see it. It is a demeanor, a presence, a charisma that inspires confidence in other players and creates magic on the field. When a career backup has more "it" than your starter, not good. Like Kramer said, "poise counts!" Is Carr the future of this team? I really would like to see him with a decent offensive line, but, honestly, I doubt it.

[rikesh316]

Kubiak said is postgame conference that Carr is his starter and will be next week in New York. He said same thing happen to Steve Young when they were with the 49ers. On another note, Lundy looks like a keeper while Reggie Bush looks real bad. Mario seems to be getting better and better. Owen Daniels looks real good and could be a star. Kubiak needs to bench Wiegert or Saleem and start Winston. This team is going no where this year and see how good Winston is. He looked solid when he replaced Saleem early in the game. Next year, the starting tackles should be Spencer and Winston.

[macalu]

I am with you. I know I am one of the few Carr supporters on the BBS, but I still believe that he can get it done. Plus, there is a reason why Sage Rosenfels is a back up.
I WAS a Carr supporter. After this game, i now feel he doesn't have the tools to succeed. I asked this question after the Jax game. Why did we see so many dump offs and 5 yard throws from Carr. Someone said it was b/c of Jax defense who was dropping alot of people in the secondary. and the reason they did that was b/c they felt we didn't ahve a running game.

well, we had a huge running game today. yet, car still didn't ahve very many good throws. what i notice was Sage was able to hit receiver's routes. he threw 10-15 yard out routes. when the pocket collapsed, Sage still was able to convert. i'm not saying Sage is the long term answer, but Carr definitely isn't either.

[Summer Song Giver]

I'm done with the whole David Carr thing, when he is finally run out of town I will be a happy man. This whole thing reminds me of the Steve Francis thing. Unfortunately, I don't see Indy or Philly trading us Peyton or McNabb for him.

[leroy420]

I read through this entire thing looking for some blame being handed to Andre Johnson. Am I the only one who saw the drops? A drop that became an interception that became a TD in a game lost by 6 points?

I'm not saying that AJ is totally to blame. Then again, neither is David Carr.

Not a one of you knows a damn thing about playing qb in the NFL. He had a bad day. Last week, we're all bowing down. Where will you be if he has a good game against the Giants next week?

[Summer Song Giver]

I read through this entire thing looking for some blame being handed to Andre Johnson. Am I the only one who saw the drops? A drop that became an interception that became a TD in a game lost by 6 points?

I'm not saying that AJ is totally to blame. Then again, neither is David Carr.

Not a one of you knows a damn thing about playing qb in the NFL. He had a bad day. Last week, we're all bowing down. Where will you be if he has a good game against the Giants next week?

good troll, I'll get the popcorn and sit back to see who takes the bait

[The Real Shady]

I am with you. I know I am one of the few Carr supporters on the BBS, but I still believe that he can get it done. Plus, there is a reason why Sage Rosenfels is a back up.

If there is a reason why Sage is a backup, then what's the reason why Carr is a starter?

[macalu]

If there is a reason why Sage is a backup, then what's the reason why Carr is a starter?
burrrrrrn!

[Shroopy2]

I think unless we have a chance to get a sure thing like Quinn in the draft, there is no way we waste a high pick on a QB again. We need to win now, so free agency it is

There are no sure things, thats just the truth of it. For the Carson Palmers and Peyton Mannings are the Ryan Leafs and Cade McNowns. Its about having recognition when someone WON'T be the sure thing to break it off early so it doesn't continue on forever, which the Texans seemingly haven't done. I do like the QB draft prospects that have shown production over a couple years like Leinart, Quinn and Eli over the guys like Akili Smith and Alex Smith, and even Carr who put together that one good last year and shoot high up in the draft rankings.

Which, yes, is why free agency is the safest way to go.

[Major]

I'm done with the whole David Carr thing, when he is finally run out of town I will be a happy man. This whole thing reminds me of the Steve Francis thing. Unfortunately, I don't see Indy or Philly trading us Peyton or McNabb for him.

I think Steve Francis is a great comparison. He puts up decent numbers, and you see a lot of things you like in him, but something's just missing.

[xiki]

My bad
I have NO IDEA Sage was that old
If you go for QB of the Future .. . . Sage could be Cody Carlson
[just a better .. less fragile version]

Rocket River

The NFL is full of late blossoming QBs. 28 is not old. SR may not be the answer but Sage's age is not an issue.

[xiki]

I think Steve Francis is a great comparison. He puts up decent numbers, and you see a lot of things you like in him, but something's just missing.

Fair comment. And, oh by the way, Stevie and his max contract brought nuthin' back - except a somebody named McGrady.

[RocketForever]

Fair comment. And, oh by the way, Stevie and his max contract brought nuthin' back - except a somebody named McGrady.

Nice comparison but the Texans would also need a Yao Ming to get it done though.

[Rocket River]

Nice comparison but the Texans would also need a Yao Ming to get it done though.


Andre Johnson = Yao Ming?

Rocket River

[mogrod]

Carr is not done.

Carr was careless with the ball, and no coach is going to let a player who turns the ball over three times and throws into quadruple coverage stay in the game, especially in a winnable game.

David Carr had a brain fart today, but he has looked great this season so far. But there were a lot of mistakes today. Andre dropped a couple of balls, Sheperd had a couple of "Carr" moments, offsides penalties killed them.

Carr is the starter, he'll bounce back and do good next week.

Go Texans!

I'm with you. I'm not the biggest Carr supporter but he just had a bad day. Kubiak saw this and used the opportunity to teach him a lesson. Besides, he threw one bad ball into coverage. His passing was fine for the most part, he just wasn't taking care of the ball in the pocket. I personally thought he was just trying to do too much today, just like he did the last couple of years which would get him in trouble. He knew it was a big game to dispel the Vince debate.

And, how about giving the Titan's defense some credit. I mean, this is the same unit that pretty much shut down the Colts a few weeks ago. They had two weeks to prepare and plan against Carr.

Carr is still the starting QB for the rest of the season. I think you all need to just realize and deal with it. After the season we can then re-evaluate the situation.

[HillBoy]

Hillboy, I think it started with the pass into CUADRUPLE coverage that made Kubiak mad, then he gave him a talk about taking care of the ball and David seemed to disregard it. Hence the benching. Taught him a lesson he will never forget. He will bounce back. He was not good today.I had to edit your post, but you said everything I wanted to say and left the major points in there. Thank you. Carr is NOT done.
I'm no longer sure about that. A line was crossed today with Carr getting benched and it has to start effecting the team. I'm no longer sure that this team has confidence in Carr. Stats aside, which QB looked confident and sure today? It wasn't Carr. To me this was a statement game where he had the opportunity to step up and silence all the the VY whispers. Instead he chocked and fell flat on his ass. I hear tell that he apologized to the team for playing so badly. The problem I see is that he's become very good at apologizing and not good enough at delivering. It was incomprehensible for him to come out and play this so badly but once again, he came up short. I think that this game is a turning point for both Kubiak and Carr. I know that Kubiak got the head coaching position by convincing McNair that he could resurrect Carr but at some point, you have to make the decision to cut your losses and move on. This week should be an absolute nightmare for this organization as once again, they have given the football fans in Houston no reason to get behind this franchise. This is a franchise that for all intents looks dead in the water.

[sammy]

I always supported him. He is done though. Single handedly cost us the game. Everyone did so good, but he just sucked.

It was very dissapointing watching today's game. Ive liked Carr but it nearly impossible rooting for him. Today's game reminded me of the Cowgirls-Giants game when Romo threw a pick on his first passing attempt but it wasnt Sage's fault. We still had a chance but AJ's 2 dropped passes killed us. On the bright side...Sage looks good out there and Owen Daniels had a monster game.

[Icehouse]

I'm glad Carr is starting next week. I have the Giants defense in my FF league and I need lots of sacks and turnovers!! ;)

[rsx_htown]

have they already said he will start next week?

[Kam]

I orginally wanted Joey Harrington.

[JeopardE]

I just don't feel that way, you know.

Carr definitely deserved to get benched. Kubiak has already made it clear since training camp that he was not going to treat Carr with kid gloves, and we've already heard a lot about how he gets on him during practices. He came out today laying goose eggs, and he needed to be disciplined for it. But I just don't buy that he's done. He didn't bring his game today, and I'm sure today's experience of getting benched will provide more than enough motivation to make him get his act together next week. But it's hard for me to see this as more than just a major bump in the road.

Also, I disagree with whoever said he "singlehandedly" cost us this game. The entire team stunk up the place, with the exception of Wali Lundy. Complete team effort to lose a game they clearly should have won. How about Ephraim Salaam with his happy feet costing us nearly 30 yards or so in false start penalties (three in a row at some point)? Or the massive secondary defensive coverage error that gave Vince Young an easy touchdown pass just a few microseconds before he was about to get his butt planted firmly in the ground by Mario? Or the bungled special teams coverage that allowed a punt return for a touchdown? (Don't forget the first missed extra point in Texans history). Let's not even talk about Edell Shepherd, who was also benched for fumbling a point return that luckily didn't cost the Texans because the half was over. Even Andre Johnson (despite his brilliant catches today) fumbled a very catchable ball and that resulted in an interception.

They all sucked today. All of them. It was just bad, bad, bad football all around.

[rocketfat]

good riddance carr. football never was for you, kid. sorry all you blinded carr lovers. your joke of a qb has hopefully taken his last snap for my texans.

[v3.0]

I haven't been able to watch one game this year, just highlights. So all of the early stats of Carr's high percentage passes and among the top qb ratings are fools gold? I think Carr is damaged goods at this point and only a scenery change *might* be able to resurrect him.

[Khal80]

I think this is a great move by Kubiak

Carr has been babied every year by Dom, Kubiak said he would bench him and he did

It serves notice to Carr, knowing what sage did, he has to show up next week and i believe he will

lets hope he has the will to win and prove everyone wrong, and if not, the backup qb showed some promise!

as usual, go texans (although they are making quite difficult)

[rrj_gamz]

I think this is a great move by Kubiak

Carr has been babied every year by Dom, Kubiak said he would bench him and he did

It serves notice to Carr, knowing what sage did, he has to show up next week and i believe he will

lets hope he has the will to win and prove everyone wrong, and if not, the backup qb showed some promise!

as usual, go texans (although they are making quite difficult)

What he said, as I couldn't have said it better myself...However, this should have happened sooner...

[rocketfat]

I think this is a great move by Kubiak

Carr has been babied every year by Dom, Kubiak said he would bench him and he did

It serves notice to Carr, knowing what sage did, he has to show up next week and i believe he will

lets hope he has the will to win and prove everyone wrong, and if not, the backup qb showed some promise!

as usual, go texans (although they are making quite difficult)

my god...when will you people accept that carr is dogsh*t??? you think he hasnt been trying, and next week if he were to start he'd just put it in another gear and will himself to success? the guy is not worthy of wearing an nfl uniform. he's trash. accept it please.

[The Real Shady]

my god...when will you people accept that carr is dogsh*t??? you think he hasnt been trying, and next week if he were to start he'd just put it in another gear and will himself to success? the guy is not worthy of wearing an nfl uniform. he's trash. accept it please.

Carr is a decent NFL backup QB.

[bplld]

I think this is a great move by Kubiak

Carr has been babied every year by Dom, Kubiak said he would bench him and he did

It serves notice to Carr, knowing what sage did, he has to show up next week and i believe he will

lets hope he has the will to win and prove everyone wrong, and if not, the backup qb showed some promise!

as usual, go texans (although they are making quite difficult)

If he is gonna bring it he better really bring it cause we are about to play one of the nastiest defenses in the nfl. The giants are gonna slaughter him.

[Khal80]

If he is gonna bring it he better really bring it cause we are about to play one of the nastiest defenses in the nfl. The giants are gonna slaughter him.


but what happens if he does, and we do win..there will still be people on board hating on him and there will be people like me who will support him..

but if he doesnt, im not an idot, i will ask for sage too...like i stated before, he has to take notice

[rocketfat]

but what happens if he does, and we do win..there will still be people on board hating on him and there will be people like me who will support him..

but if he doesnt, im not an idot, i will ask for sage too...like i stated before, he has to take notice


at what point does carr run out of chances for you people? seriously. you remind me of the morons in the astros thread that still think ausmus is a premier catcher.

[Khal80]

at what point does carr run out of chances for you people? seriously. you remind me of the morons in the astros thread that still think ausmus is a premier catcher.


im just as sick of the texans losing as you are, if i think carr is good enough to start so be it...but as you remind me of the morons who only show up when DC has bad games

didnt see you posting when he was number 1in QB rating or when he was top three in the nfl in completion %..those are facts that you cant discredit him with

i agree he sucked it up today and had a very bad game game against cowboys, so i think he is still capable of being a legit starter for us

but we can agree to disagree

[rocketfat]

im just as sick of the texans losing as you are, if i think carr is good enough to start so be it...but as you remind me of the morons who only show up when DC has bad games

didnt see you posting when he was number 1in QB rating or when he was top three in the nfl in completion %..those are facts that you cant discredit him with

i agree he sucked it up today and had a very bad game game against cowboys, so i think he is still capable of being a legit starter for us

but we can agree to disagree

buddy, i've been complaining about him for the better part of the past 4 years. not even going to get into that. i could care less about his skewed statistics that you chose to point out. they are completely meaningless.

and it's funny, you are saying, "I want carr to play, but if he sucks, i want him replaced". way to have conviction kid.

[Summer Song Giver]

Bottom line is if David Carr can't consistently lead this team to victory we all should be willing to see what someone else can do.

[Kam]

damnit man, i knew we should have drafted Reggie Bush.

Y'all see his amazing plays today?

go to ESPN.usc to watch it.

It will be on bushcenter tonight.


y'all hear me dog? stop staring at my eye, look at bush run.

[DaDakota]

You guys are blaming this loss on Carr?

Sure he played poorly, but Andre Johnson letting that ball go through his fingers and it be intercepted hurt too.

Carr played poorly but the defense is just terrible, I think they should at least blitz more because they can't cover more than 1.5 seconds.

Carr is coming along...one bad game....one bad game.

DD

PS. I will always think they should have taken VY....but since they didn't.

[rhino17]

You guys are blaming this loss on Carr?

Sure he played poorly, but Andre Johnson letting that ball go through his fingers and it be intercepted hurt too.

Carr played poorly but the defense is just terrible, I think they should at least blitz more because they can't cover more than 1.5 seconds.

Carr is coming along...one bad game....one bad game.

DD

PS. I will always think they should have taken VY....but since they didn't.

You have to put the maority of this loss on Carr. He is the one that threw the interceptions, he is the one that is not able to take control of this team, he is the one whose teamates dont trust him when the game is on the line. The team reacted much better when Rosenfels entered the game. He decided he was going to fight for a victory and give it his all. He showed heart, something David rarely does

[Fegwu]

To me this benching was all about Kubiak telling Captain Hairdo that he (Kubiak) is NOT Dom Capers and that if the good Capt wants to avoid significant pine time...he is responsible to keep improving and to take care of the football.

And that is exactly what happened according to John Granado (relaying coach Kubes sentiments).

DD, Andre did mess up today but he made us for it later with some key catches. In all he had a "wash" kind of day.

David is our team leader [supposedly] and he just did not bring it today. David has the "talent" but there is something Sage and Vince showed that David did not show or bring. Could it be because of all the sacks and damage he has gone through all these years? Maybe a change of scenery will eventually do him a world of good for his benefit and mental healing (lets say Oakland, Miami?, Cleveland?)....

[BMoney]

More knee jerk emotional BS from the sky-is-falling crew. Carr sucked today. He's still been pretty solid this season. The Texans are making progress and Carr is improving. Kubiak made Jake Plummer into a good quarterback and Carr has better tools than he has. I don't think throwing your hands up in the air and pissing your pants after one loss makes your football analysis any more cogent, so I would hold off on the prognostication. I am glad that Kubiak is willing to bench Carr when he sucks, but I am certain he's not thrown the towel in on the season like some of the more, uh, emotional "fans" around here. I trust the guys running the Texans right now.

[Khal80]

buddy, i've been complaining about him for the better part of the past 4 years. not even going to get into that. i could care less about his skewed statistics that you chose to point out. they are completely meaningless.

and it's funny, you are saying, "I want carr to play, but if he sucks, i want him replaced". way to have conviction kid.


stats are stats, im not sure why you think they are skewed, most of the time facts are used for substance to ones argument..dont give me the fourth quarters dont count when your getting blown out or he just dumps small yard passes to the backs, or else every qb stats should be reexamined

as for my conviction, i am a supporter of carr, but im not going to say he has been the second coming or anything, and this season he has shown much improvement. you stated when will us "idiots" figure out that we cant have any more excuses for him..so whats wrong with me giving him a last shot? if he continues to stink it up then yes eventually im going to agree we need to get a new qb...more for the reason that Carr might never succeed with the texans and needs a fresh start on another team.

And when i say a last chance, im expecting him to play well for a few games in a row.

And i cant blame all our losses on him, its a team game and thus far no one is doing their part.

i know there are alot of negatives you can come up with but i think they are just as many positives if not more THIS SEASON

if you bring up the capers era then yea i can say "yea get rid of him"

[JeopardE]

my god...when will you people accept that carr is dogsh*t??? you think he hasnt been trying, and next week if he were to start he'd just put it in another gear and will himself to success? the guy is not worthy of wearing an nfl uniform. he's trash. accept it please.

I wonder where all these haters were last week. Your comments are despicable. Even more despicable than David Carr's game today.

[rocketfat]

I wonder where all these haters were last week. Your comments are despicable. Even more despicable than David Carr's game today.


last week? the same place i was the last 4 years. you guys have such lack of knowledge it is just sad. last week carr throws one jumpball that andre johnson makes a play on, and one td to daniels that anybody posting on this board could have completed, and he's an allstar in your eyes? he was just as bad today as he was last week and every game i've watched him play the past 4+ seasons. david carr is not a winner. david carr is not a leader. david carr is an overrated pretty boy who has had a silver spoon in his mouth since his first snap in the league, and somebody finally has the brains to remove it. he has NEVER been good. tony ****ing banks moved the ball downfield with more fluidity than carr did.

[Pocket Rockets]

And i cant blame all our losses on him, its a team game and thus far no one is doing their part.


i swear i thought we had a 100 yard rusher today, and didn't our defense play relatively well? ;)

I wonder where all these haters were last week. Your comments are despicable. Even more despicable than David Carr's game today.

i haven't gone anywhere ;)

[jgreen91]

last week? the same place i was the last 4 years. you guys have such lack of knowledge it is just sad. last week carr throws one jumpball that andre johnson makes a play on, and one td to daniels that anybody posting on this board could have completed, and he's an allstar in your eyes? he was just as bad today as he was last week and every game i've watched him play the past 4+ seasons. david carr is not a winner. david carr is not a leader. david carr is an overrated pretty boy who has had a silver spoon in his mouth since his first snap in the league, and somebody finally has the brains to remove it. he has NEVER been good. tony ****ing banks moved the ball downfield with more fluidity than carr did.


I agree with this poster and with the thread title.

[Khal80]

i swear i thought we had a 100 yard rusher today, and didn't our defense play relatively well? ;)



But what about special teams, haha :D

[Pocket Rockets]

But what about special teams, haha :D

yea, one bad punt return defense....

[JeopardE]

last week? the same place i was the last 4 years. you guys have such lack of knowledge it is just sad. last week carr throws one jumpball that andre johnson makes a play on, and one td to daniels that anybody posting on this board could have completed, and he's an allstar in your eyes? he was just as bad today as he was last week and every game i've watched him play the past 4+ seasons. david carr is not a winner. david carr is not a leader. david carr is an overrated pretty boy who has had a silver spoon in his mouth since his first snap in the league, and somebody finally has the brains to remove it. he has NEVER been good. tony ****ing banks moved the ball downfield with more fluidity than carr did.

Right, David Carr was just as bad last week. :rolleyes: I'd like to see the look on your face when somebody calls you "dogs**t" and "trash". You are a despicable person for saying that. I'm sorry, but it's true.

[BigM]

i didn't really watch the game but carr has definitely not been bad this season. he was obviously not good today but after reading so much love for him over this last week why the rush to ditch him after just today?

[Rocket River]

QUESTION: Is Carr Truly better than Jake Plummer????

Jake is not Joe Montana .. but Jake is not crap either
one thing I would point out about Jake in Denver

they converted him into a GAME MANAGER not a LEAD THE TEAM TO VICTORY
QB

[I hate Game Managers. .it is so booring sometimes]
Basically Jake just has to not f' up so much to cost them the game
Is that the UPSIDE of Carr?
That he can be a guy that doesn't f'up enough to lose us the game??
[our defense is not that good yet to win games]

Rocket River

[Saint Louis]

http://kruft.homestead.com/files/kolbtexans.jpg

Karl Kolb to the rescue!

[Luckyazn]

DAVID CARR CANT HOLD TIM COUCH"S JOCK !!!




See you as a backup somwhere later ....... so we can starting improving


5yrs and not ONE winning record for the PAYROLL WE HAVE! :confused:

[macalu]

I agree with this poster and with the thread title.
how about that Reggie Bush? pretty good game, eh?

unfortunately, i've come to realize that Carr is not the man.

[compucomp]

I agree with this poster and with the thread title.

Reggie Bush got clowned today. What the hell is a RB doing throwing an interception?

This statement should be a non-sequitur, but it isn't because you've been so hard on Bush's dick.

[percicles]

Then it is agreed, David Carr sux.

MAN LAW?...MAN LAW!!!!

[rhino17]

Then it is agreed, David Carr sux.

MAN LAW?...MAN LAW!!!!

MAN LAW

[Bobblehead]

Then it is agreed, David Carr sux.

MAN LAW?...MAN LAW!!!!

MAN LAW

[rhester]

Rosenfeld is a better QB than David Carr.

Don't try and throw out arguments against it, you saw it.
It was right there in front of your eyes. The poise, the decision making, the leadership. It was right there in front of you. An old journey man QB is just as good or better than your 'franchise' #1 pick QB.

Face the music Texan fan.
Face the facts Texan fan.

I apologized for my harsh criticism of Carr after he led the team to victory over Jax.

I was stupid for that.

Look at the body of work.

Gary Kubiak did the right thing- he pulled Carr.
Now he is doing the wrong thing- he is trying to psych Carr and everyone of us by starting him next week.

In practice Carr may be better than an average journey man. But he has rarely shown anything in a game. He has never been the MVP of a game.

It is only a matter of time, Carr will flame out eventually. He will become the journeyman.

4 1/2 yrs of excuses = failure.

Casserly stuck it to this franchise. Then Dan Reeves stuck it to this franchise (he was a Carr guy), next Kubiak sticks it to the franchise; they extend Carr and here we are about ready to start all over and try to come up with a starting QB.

Carr deserves to lose the starting job.

Don't think for a second that the players on this team are going to keep rallying around Carr.

Rosenfeld made very good decisions yesterday with the football, anyone who watched the game could see the difference in confidence and decision making once we got Carr out of the game.

It is so sad.

[rhester]

BTW - there is a split locker room on the Texans.

Lance Z on 610 just said that Corey Bradford told him face to face that Carr was a sorry QB. I have heard that Gary Walker and Jonathon Wells said the same things. They are all gone (deservedly) but it shows there has been a split locker room in the past on David Carr, and that isn't good either.

I wish Andre Johnson would step up and say how he really feels about Carr because I don't think he can stand him.

[Mr. Clutch]

BTW - there is a split locker room on the Texans.

Lance Z on 610 just said that Corey Bradford told him face to face that Carr was a sorry QB. I have heard that Gary Walker and Jonathon Wells said the same things. They are all gone (deservedly) but it shows there has been a split locker room in the past on David Carr, and that isn't good either.

I wish Andre Johnson would step up and say how he really feels about Carr because I don't think he can stand him.

There is a split locker room because guys who aren't there anymore don't like him?

[DaDakota]

There is a split locker room because guys who aren't there anymore don't like him?


This is the one thing I worry about as to whether Carr is a leader and has the team's respect.

It is clear to me that VY is a leader, and has the intangibles that make players great.

Carr has the physical talent, but does he make the players around him better, do they play HARDER for Carr than normal?

THAT is what a leader is all about.

I do think Carr is making progress, and don't put too much stock in one bad game......let's see how he rebounds......

We already know that VY would.

:D

DD

[TheHangover]

For anyone that says that Carr has improved this year, you seriously have wool pulled over your eyes. His stats look better but that's mostly due to a big game in Indy in garbage time, Andre Johnson making good catches, and a lot of short dumpoffs that are part of the new offense. His pocket presence is as bad as ever, he still steps into sacks, and makes presnap decisions on where the ball is going(see quadruple coverage on AJ yesterday). He's not going to become "the guy" next week, next month, next season, or ever. Best case scenario for the Texans is that he bombs next week in NY, Rosenfels takes over, and we dump Carr over the summer for a 3rd rounder or whatever we can get. I don't know who will look for as a replacement but Matt Schaub is an RFA that could be had.

[rhester]

There is a split locker room because guys who aren't there anymore don't like him?

Comments made while they played with Carr. Maybe that is why they are no longer Texans.

Just indicates that there could be a split amongst players on Carr and it won't be in the media.

[rhino17]

There is a split locker room because guys who aren't there anymore don't like him?

I dont think Andre likes. on the sideline, Andre always seems frustrated at David and i cant blame him

[rhino17]

For anyone that says that Carr has improved this year, you seriously have wool pulled over your eyes. His stats look better but that's mostly due to a big game in Indy in garbage time, Andre Johnson making good catches, and a lot of short dumpoffs that are part of the new offense. His pocket presence is as bad as ever, he still steps into sacks, and makes presnap decisions on where the ball is going(see quadruple coverage on AJ yesterday). He's not going to become "the guy" next week, next month, next season, or ever. Best case scenario for the Texans is that he bombs next week in NY, Rosenfels takes over, and we dump Carr over the summer for a 3rd rounder or whatever we can get. I don't know who will look for as a replacement but Matt Schaub is an RFA that could be had.

Great point. Although I think a third rounder is more than any team is willing to give up for him.

[DonnyMost]

you guys seriously amaze me.

stop and realize something for a second.

if ONE GAME sends you over the edge praising him, or damning him, then you probably should do a couple things:

1) never watch another nfl game again
2) never post in a texans related BBS thread again

consider this question, "if the Texans won last sunday, I would not be saying Carr is done". If the answer to this question is "yes", then you need to take some medication.

week to week we seem to have people calling him jesus in shoulderpads or the devil in a helmet. its just insanity.

[Mr. Clutch]

I dont think Andre likes. on the sideline, Andre always seems frustrated at David and i cant blame him

Yeah, must be frustrating being the leading WR in the NFL.

[MadMax]

There is a split locker room because guys who aren't there anymore don't like him?

do you honestly believe that the locker room is solidly behind David Carr right now, no matter what they say in the press? you don't think there are guys in the locker room thinking, "we have a better chance to win next week with sage than with david...and i just wanna win." ???

did you see the difference in the pocket for sage? it didn't seem rushed. when there was pressure...he moved. he adjusted with the flow of the game. it wasn't rigid. it wasn't forced. it just happened..he let the game develop and hit his spots.

sage isn't a pro bowler. but sage put an end to any credence i EVER gave the Carr excuses yesterday. in less than a half of football, he threw for 3 TD's yesterday. he moved the ball up and down the field. yeah, there was pressure...but it never felt the same way it does when carr gets pressure.

yesterday confirmed for me everything i believe about david carr...both when he was on the field and when he wasn't on the field.

[MadMax]

you guys seriously amaze me.

stop and realize something for a second.

if ONE GAME sends you over the edge praising him, or damning him, then you probably should do a couple things:

1) never watch another nfl game again
2) never post in a texans related BBS thread again

consider this question, "if the Texans won last sunday, I would not be saying Carr is done". If the answer to this question is "yes", then you need to take some medication.

week to week we seem to have people calling him jesus in shoulderpads or the devil in a helmet. its just insanity.

yeah..it's just one game. no one ever complained about carr before yesterday.

no one ever said he makes too many poor decisions forcing the ball into spots before.

no one ever said he fumbles too much.

no one ever said he lacks presence/poise.

no one ever said he was too inconsistent from week to week.

yeah...yesterday was brand new. before yesterday, no one ever questioned david carr.

[Mr. Clutch]

do you honestly believe that the locker room is solidly behind David Carr right now, no matter what they say in the press? you don't think there are guys in the locker room thinking, "we have a better chance to win next week with sage than with david...and i just wanna win." ???

did you see the difference in the pocket for sage? it didn't seem rushed. when there was pressure...he moved. he adjusted with the flow of the game. it wasn't rigid. it wasn't forced. it just happened..he let the game develop and hit his spots.

sage isn't a pro bowler. but sage put an end to any credence i EVER gave the Carr excuses yesterday. in less than a half of football, he threw for 3 TD's yesterday. he moved the ball up and down the field. yeah, there was pressure...but it never felt the same way it does when carr gets pressure.

yesterday confirmed for me everything i believe about david carr...both when he was on the field and when he wasn't on the field.

I don't think there is a "split locker room" against Carr anymore than there is one against the offensive line or anyone else. This split locker room stuff is something people like to bring up when a QB does poorly, no matter that there is no evidence for it.

I agree on the pocket presence stuff, Carr needs to do a much better job of feeling the rush and stepping out at the right times. And he needs to hold onto the ball if he gets sacked. He needs to learn how to feel the pressure.

[MadMax]

I don't think there is a "split locker room" against Carr anymore than there is one against the offensive line or anyone else. This split locker room stuff is something people like to bring up when a QB does poorly, no matter that there is no evidence for it.

I agree on the pocket presence stuff, Carr needs to do a much better job of feeling the rush and stepping out at the right times. And he needs to hold onto the ball if he gets sacked. He needs to learn how to feel the pressure.

it's totally different with a QB. locker rooms don't split over offensive lines. we don't read/hear about offensive line controversies. QB controversies consume teams....and coaches are purposeful to avoid them.

i'm not sure the pocket presence stuff is something that can be learned at this point. after umpteen years of playing competitive football...and 4.5 years of pro football...if you don't have it, i don't think it's magically gonna develop. other things might...but not that. it's largely instinctual.

[DonnyMost]

yeah..it's just one game. no one ever complained about carr before yesterday.

no one ever said he makes too many poor decisions forcing the ball into spots before.

no one ever said he fumbles too much.

no one ever said he lacks presence/poise.

no one ever said he was too inconsistent from week to week.

yeah...yesterday was brand new. before yesterday, no one ever questioned david carr.

so did you read what I said? guess not.

where did I say this was new? where, mr. max?

in fact, I even said, IN THE POST that people have said this about him before.

BUT, people don't seem to be rationalizing their thoughts at all. Carr has a bad game, instantly he needs to be canned. Carr has a good game, instantly he's the messiah. its just back and forth constantly.. no one ever puts together a solid case for Carr's replacement.. all we hear is "he doesn't look like a leader" and other nonsense like that. So Carr had a bad game, one of the few he's had this year.. so -now- its time to get rid of him? halfway through the season? good call..

[MadMax]

so did you read what I said? guess not.

where did I say this was new? where, mr. max?

in fact, I even said, IN THE POST that people have said this about him before.

BUT, people don't seem to be rationalizing their thoughts at all. Carr has a bad game, instantly he needs to be canned. Carr has a good game, instantly he's the messiah. its just back and forth constantly.. no one ever puts together a solid case for Carr's replacement.. all we hear is "he doesn't look like a leader" and other nonsense like that. So Carr had a bad game, one of the few he's had this year.. so -now- its time to get rid of him? halfway through the season? good call..

here's what i was responding to from your post:

if ONE GAME sends you over the edge praising him, or damning him, then you probably should do a couple things


Carr had a bad game. It was a perfect storm of ALL the things that people have complained about Carr for a very long time now. People have made the very points I itemized in my post (which you responded to) for years now. Carr apologists choose not to hear it.

It isn't just what Carr did...its what Sage did. According to Carr apologists, it's impossible to be successful with this team. You get no support anywhere. There's constant pressure. You just can't get it done. Sage looked damn good for a half of football. The difference in pocket presence was tangible.

[Saint Louis]

It is starting to look like David Carr is another David Klingler.

[HillBoy]

Bottom line is if David Carr can't consistently lead this team to victory we all should be willing to see what someone else can do.
Agreed. The big question now is which David Carr shows up Sunday. My gut tells me that we'll see the scared to make a mistake, unsteady and unsure David Carr who won't be able to make any plays when the occasion calls for plays to be made. He's a nice guy but nice guys don't always make championship QBs. The real test for Kubiak will come when he will have to bench Carr once again. Will he do what's necessary to help this team win and let Rosenfels play or will he continue to play Carr because of all the money and personal status he has invested in DC?

[MadMax]

Agreed. The big question now is which David Carr shows up Sunday. My gut tells me that we'll see the scared to make a mistake, unsteady and unsure David Carr who won't be able to make any plays when the occasion calls for plays to be made. He's a nice guy but nice guys don't always make championship QBs. The real test for Kubiak will come when he will have to bench Carr once again. Will he do what's necessary to help this team win and let Rosenfels play or will he continue to play Carr because of all the money and personal status he has invested in DC?

This inconsistency is what we've seen all along. Like the 2004 season...the first half he looks great...the second half he looks beyond horrible, and is ends up getting booed at home the last game of the season. From week to week, you have no idea what to expect.

[rhino17]

Yeah, must be frustrating being the leading WR in the NFL.

That still doesnt prevent Andre from being frustrated when David screws up.

[DonnyMost]

here's what i was responding to from your post:

if ONE GAME sends you over the edge praising him, or damning him, then you probably should do a couple things


Carr had a bad game. It was a perfect storm of ALL the things that people have complained about Carr for a very long time now. People have made the very points I itemized in my post (which you responded to) for years now. Carr apologists choose not to hear it.

It isn't just what Carr did...its what Sage did. According to Carr apologists, it's impossible to be successful with this team. You get no support anywhere. There's constant pressure. You just can't get it done. Sage looked damn good for a half of football. The difference in pocket presence was tangible.

I guess i'm the only person who feels that athletes are entitled to have bad games every now and again.

If you're willing to bet some preseason snaps and a half of regular season football over what David has shown he can do the majority of time when given the opportunities.. then well.. I'm just flabbergaster at that.

[HillBoy]

do you honestly believe that the locker room is solidly behind David Carr right now, no matter what they say in the press? you don't think there are guys in the locker room thinking, "we have a better chance to win next week with sage than with david...and i just wanna win." ???

did you see the difference in the pocket for sage? it didn't seem rushed. when there was pressure...he moved. he adjusted with the flow of the game. it wasn't rigid. it wasn't forced. it just happened..he let the game develop and hit his spots.

sage isn't a pro bowler. but sage put an end to any credence i EVER gave the Carr excuses yesterday. in less than a half of football, he threw for 3 TD's yesterday. he moved the ball up and down the field. yeah, there was pressure...but it never felt the same way it does when carr gets pressure.

yesterday confirmed for me everything i believe about david carr...both when he was on the field and when he wasn't on the field.
I admit that I'm now wondering the same thing. I heard John McClain say something that really sticks out in my mind: That to a man the Titans all talk glowingly about VY's natural leadership and especially about his will to win while he (McClain) has NEVER heard any Texans' player say the same things about Carr. The differences yesterday between VY and DC were so dramatic that I was dumfounded. This should have been a statement game for DC to lay to rest all of the VY whispers. Instead, he did what he always seems to do when adversity strike: he fell right on his ass. I don't care what the Texans' company spin is today and the rest of the week, there has to be a split in the locker room especially given how badly Rosenfels outplayed Carr.

The best way to describe what I saw yesterday is to use a Dallas Cowboys analogy: Sage looked and played like Tony Romo while David looked and played like Drew Bledsoe.

[DaDakota]

I guess i'm the only person who feels that athletes are entitled to have bad games every now and again.


How about four+ years of bad games?

;)

I know I am just kidding.

How Carr responds to the benching will speak volumes. Kubiak is not stupid, he knows the team is not going anywhere this year, so NOW is the time to test your players metal...find out what they are made of....

He is letting Carr know that he is NOT above the team......

Good for Kubiak. He reached down and has a pair....

DD

[Major Malcontent]

I think a big key is how the Coiffed one responds. If he converts his slight mad-on into working harder and we see some results next week it will be a great thing.

If he gets whiny cause Kubiak isn't "Yes, Mr. Carr....whatever you say, Mr. Carr" like Capers...that too is something we need to know.

[Summer Song Giver]

I think a big key is how the Coiffed one responds. If he converts his slight mad-on into working harder and we see some results next week it will be a great thing.

If he gets whiny cause Kubiak isn't "Yes, Mr. Carr....whatever you say, Mr. Carr" like Capers...that too is something we need to know.

I don't think it matters Major, this version of David Carr will rear his head again probably sooner rather than later. Here's my prediction, David comes out and plays pretty good and it is a closer game than it should be but we still lose. And he may play alright for a couple or few games the heat comes off of him and thenhe will come out and lay another egg, it has always been this way with him, rinse and repeat and it is still the same **** over and over and we will never be a good team until he is gone.

[Rocket River]

I admit that I'm now wondering the same thing. I heard John McClain say something that really sticks out in my mind: That to a man the Titans all talk glowingly about VY's natural leadership and especially about his will to win while he (McClain) has NEVER heard any Texans' player say the same things about Carr. The differences yesterday between VY and DC were so dramatic that I was dumfounded. This should have been a statement game for DC to lay to rest all of the VY whispers. Instead, he did what he always seems to do when adversity strike: he fell right on his ass. I don't care what the Texans' company spin is today and the rest of the week, there has to be a split in the locker room especially given how badly Rosenfels outplayed Carr.

The best way to describe what I saw yesterday is to use a Dallas Cowboys analogy: Sage looked and played like Tony Romo while David looked and played like Drew Bledsoe.

David *has* to come out with FIRE
cause. . i think every week . .the hook is getting longer
and his leash is getting shorter

If he don't do well the 1st half
Sage will be warming up out of the gate in the second
Then it will be down to a QUARTER
and so on

Rocket River

[Icehouse]

I wonder where all these haters were last week. Your comments are despicable. Even more despicable than David Carr's game today.

Last week I said something along the lines of I don't expect Carr to win games for us, I just expect him not to lose them. Today he lost it with his turnovers (or contributed heavily). I don't know what his salary is compared to other QB's, but I am assuming he is being paid like the QB's who are counted on to win games.

I just think we can find someone cheaper for what we get in Carr (avg QB who we can win with if he isn't screwing up).

[Icehouse]

I admit that I'm now wondering the same thing. I heard John McClain say something that really sticks out in my mind: That to a man the Titans all talk glowingly about VY's natural leadership and especially about his will to win while he (McClain) has NEVER heard any Texans' player say the same things about Carr. The differences yesterday between VY and DC were so dramatic that I was dumfounded. This should have been a statement game for DC to lay to rest all of the VY whispers. Instead, he did what he always seems to do when adversity strike: he fell right on his ass. I don't care what the Texans' company spin is today and the rest of the week, there has to be a split in the locker room especially given how badly Rosenfels outplayed Carr.

The best way to describe what I saw yesterday is to use a Dallas Cowboys analogy: Sage looked and played like Tony Romo while David looked and played like Drew Bledsoe.

What disappointed me the most about yesterday was that Carr had a chance to man up and put all the "we shoulda took Vince" talk to rest. I knew Vince would have his game face on (diss him all ya want, but he did throw for one and run for another). Carr wilted.........

[Groogrux]

Am I the only one who thinks half the posters here were cheering when Carr had a bad game?

[rhester]

Am I the only one who thinks half the posters here were cheering when Carr had a bad game?


Am I the only poster who would trade DC straight up for VY right this moment? :D

Yeah, good ole Bud Adams would let that happen!

[MadMax]

Am I the only one who thinks half the posters here were cheering when Carr had a bad game?

are you kidding??? it's frustrating as hell!

[Groogrux]

are you kidding??? it's frustrating as hell!

It's just a strongly stated opinion.

[MadMax]

It's just a strongly stated opinion.

awesome! :D

[tbplayer22]

I'm going to show you what the deal is:

David ))=D

Sage ))=====D

Vince ))====================D

[Saint Louis]

I'm going to show you what the deal is:

David ))=D

Sage ))=====D

Vince ))====================D

And I always thought that a player was judged by the size of his balls.

[Mr. Clutch]

I'm going to show you what the deal is:

David ))=D

Sage ))=====D

Vince ))====================D

No race jokes, please. Don't want this moved to D&D.

[Ric]

It is clear to me that VY is a leader, and has the intangibles that make players great.
DD's right: vy does make players around him better better. don't believe me? here are actual fake quotes by titan players from yesterday's post game locker room:

“Last year, I would have just fallen on the football,” Tony Brown said of his touchdown rumble after recovering a David Carr fumble. “But then I remembered Vince Young contiually one-hops throws and misses receivers by some 8-10 yards, so I figured I better make a play while I had a chance.”

Pacman Jones, who returned a punt for a touchdown, was equally inspired by Young’s presence. “I thought about maybe fair catching the punt, but what good would that do when 8 of our 10 drives ended in a punt,” Jones said before shanking a reporter.

Fans, too, were caught up in Young's inate abilities. “I had no idea when to cheer, but then I saw Vince cheering on all the other players that were actually making plays, and it was like a light went on over my head,” Titan fan Billy Ray Joe Joe Rubinksi said from his jail cell after police caught him raping his sister in the parking lot.

[KingCheetah]

Sage needs to be the starting QB for the Texans.

Sage is calm in the pocket, he moves away from the oncoming rushers buying more time, then he throws the ball where only Texan receivers can catch the ball, and he looks like a leader on the field.

If Sage had started Texans win that game easily.

[hatemavs4life]

He deserved to get benched. While I'm glad that we will move on at this point given how bad and inconsistent Carr has been, there are a few things that I'm not really thrilled about:

1. The number of "I told you so's" and "we should've drafted Vince" from fantasy sports guys, who think because they've won their fantasy league 2 out of the last 5 seasons they should be the GM of an NFL team, is going to make me want to abandon my will to live.

2. Bud Adams is happy and gloating.

3. Carr is still signed for 3 more years and his trade value just went in the dumper.

4. We're going to have to waste another draft pick on a quarterback when we should be focused on other positions.

5. We still keep losing.

Wait a minute, I thought we picked up a one year/ $ 8 Million option on Carr? Not 3 years?

[hatemavs4life]

DD's right: vy does make players around him better better. don't believe me? here are actual fake quotes by titan players from yesterday's post game locker room:

“Last year, I would have just fallen on the football,” Tony Brown said of his touchdown rumble after recovering a David Carr fumble. “But then I remembered Vince Young contiually one-hops throws and misses receivers by some 8-10 yards, so I figured I better make a play while I had a chance.”

Pacman Jones, who returned a punt for a touchdown, was equally inspired by Young’s presence. “I thought about maybe fair catching the punt, but what good would that do when 8 of our 10 drives ended in a punt,” Jones said before shanking a reporter.

Fans, too, were caught up in Young's inate abilities. “I had no idea when to cheer, but then I saw Vince cheering on all the other players that were actually making plays, and it was like a light went on over my head,” Titan fan Billy Ray Joe Joe Rubinksi said from his jail cell after police caught him raping his sister in the parking lot.

Hilarious post. :D

[KingCheetah]

Carr vs. Vince

Carr pulled from the game after one terrible half.

Vince leads his team to victory.
______

If Kubiak has any sense he will start Sage who looked awesome filling in for the bumbling Carr.

[The Real Shady]

And I always thought that a player was judged by the size of his balls.

If that's the case David Carr is a gelding.

[DaDakota]

DD's right: vy does make players around him better better. don't believe me? here are actual fake quotes by titan players from yesterday's post game locker room:

“Last year, I would have just fallen on the football,” Tony Brown said of his touchdown rumble after recovering a David Carr fumble. “But then I remembered Vince Young contiually one-hops throws and misses receivers by some 8-10 yards, so I figured I better make a play while I had a chance.”

Pacman Jones, who returned a punt for a touchdown, was equally inspired by Young’s presence. “I thought about maybe fair catching the punt, but what good would that do when 8 of our 10 drives ended in a punt,” Jones said before shanking a reporter.

Fans, too, were caught up in Young's inate abilities. “I had no idea when to cheer, but then I saw Vince cheering on all the other players that were actually making plays, and it was like a light went on over my head,” Titan fan Billy Ray Joe Joe Rubinksi said from his jail cell after police caught him raping his sister in the parking lot.

Yeah yeah, I know you don't buy into players making others perform better, clearly you have never played organized sports. Or at least you have never been an inspirational leader.

There are inspirational leaders in every sport, and to have one at the most important position on the field is invaluable. But, bury your head in the sand, ignore the FACT that some players inspire others to play harder.....oh, did you read the Houston Chronicle today?

But, but...but.....that can't be right......right?

Vince has it, David doesn't (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/10/lets_spend_a_we.html)

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Vince has it. David doesn't.
Quarterbacks can't be evaluated solely by the strength of their arms. They can't be evaluated by their footwork or intelligence or toughness, either. Quarterbacks must always be measured by some things that can't be measured. Like their leadership skills. And their will to win.

It's these intangibles that made Vince Young special. Any NFL team that had bothered to ask the players and coaches at the University of Texas would have understood. Vince Young wasn't special because he was a great runner and thrower. He is a great runner and thrower, but what made him special were things you'd know about only if you'd coached him or played with him.

If an organization is going to get hung up on his arm angle or how quickly he can finish a crossword puzzle, that organization isn't going to understand why Vince Young should have been the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft.

(I swore to myself months ago I wasn't going to touch this debate again. I got so sick of hearing about Vince and Mario and Reggie. With the benching of David Carr, I can't help myself. I'm right back in the soup.)

We may never know all that Gary Kubiak knew when he decided to stick with David Carr. I'd bet my Corolla that he didn't hear the negatives from Charley Casserly, who seemed more interested in defending his past decisions than in doing what was right for his football team.

I'll bet Charley told Gary that Carr would be a better NFL quarterback than Vince Young. Kubiak could evaluate what he saw on film, but there's no way he could make a judgement on Carr's intangibles without getting an honest unvarnished assessment. He couldn't get that from Casserly. He didn't have a player with enough credibility to offer that kind of opinion.

One game is a small sampling. One game doesn't mean Vince Young is better than David Carr or anything of that sort. One game--Sunday's game--offered a snaphot into why Vince Young is special and David Carr isn't. Vince Young was gong to win this game. This was against his hometown team. He wasn't going to be denied. The Longhorns had seen Vince in this frame of mind dozens of times. They could have told you how this was going to go.

This was one of those days when the quarterback has to will himself to be as good as the opposing quarterback. This is the kind of challenge Vince Young loves. On this day at least, David Carr shrunk from the challenge.

Some posters have pointed to Vince's stats. They've said they're nothing special. They've said he looked raw. Sure, he looks raw. He's in his first year. There's a legitimate debate on how good he'll be in the NFL. Talent evaluators like Charley Casserly focus on the process more than the result. Last spring when I heard Texan officials talking about how Vince might not be able to play under center, I knew it was a dead issue. Not taking the best player in college football because of that single issue tells you a lot about the franchise.

What's not open for debate is his heart and the fact that on this one day he was going to do what needed to be done to win. This heart is what the Texans could have had.

Carr's mistakes got him pulled from a game for the first time. No matter what Kubiak says now, something has permanently changed between Carr and the Texans. Once that line has been crossed, once a quarterback has been pulled, nothing will ever be the same. That he was pulled on the day Vince Young was the opposing quarterback only made last spring's decision look that much worse.

Carr has teased us at times. He has looked like The Guy at times. He has done it only in flashes. At various times, many of us have said, "Yep, this is the game that puts him on the fast track to stardom.'' Like last week. And then he has a game like this and you're forced to look at the entire body of his work. Maybe he'll be a functional NFL quarterback someday. He's never going to be a franchise quarterback. He's never going to be the guy around which a franchise is built.

This is a make-or-break season for David Carr. The Texans used their first draft pick ever on him, then almost guaranteed he would fail by how they coached him and protected him and surrounded him with sub-par talent. Until this season, it was impossible to make a legitimate evaluation of David Carr. Kubiak has given him a chance. If Kubiak can't make David Carr a winning NFL quarterback, it's likely no one ever will. It'll be a tough, unhappy week at Reliant Park. It will be a week when they'll be reminded again and again that Kubiak blew his first critical decision..

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Yeah, nothing to this leadership and inspirational play, Ric......

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DD

[Mr. Clutch]

Carr vs. Vince

Carr pulled from the game after one terrible half.

Vince leads his team to victory.
______

If Kubiak has any sense he will start Sage who looked awesome filling in for the bumbling Carr.

Look how many wins Reggie Bush has "led" the Saints to.

[DaDakota]

Look how many wins Reggie Bush has "led" the Saints to.


LOL - Reggie is a situational player...Drew Brees is the leader of that team...and if he were on the Texan's we would not be complaining about not drafting Vince.

DD

[Mr. Clutch]

LOL - Reggie is a situational player...Drew Brees is the leader of that team...and if he were on the Texan's we would not be complaining about not drafting Vince.

DD

I was being sarcastic. A guy who is 7 of 15 for 87 yards is not the leader of his team either.

[Major]

A guy who is 7 of 15 for 87 yards is not the leader of his team.

Who do you consider the leader of the Titans? If you asked the Titans' players, who do you think they'd consider to be their leader?

[Mr. Clutch]

Who do you consider the leader of the Titans? If you asked the Titans' players, who do you think they'd consider to be their leader?

Maybe they don't have one. Not every team needs to have one guy who is "the leader." Who is the leader for the Rockets?

[hatemavs4life]

Yeah DaDa,

You're right on this one! VY in four games in the NFL has shown more poise and pocket presence than DC ever has in his entire career. Not to mention shades of his UT "iron jawed will."

IMO, Carr is going to have to fight like mad this week to keep his job and not ride the bench. Maybe, this gets Carr's attention and maybe this crazy thought process is just that A CRAZY THOUGHT!

Right now, best case scenario, I think Kuby gives Carr 2-3 possessions vs the G-Men at best to produce results or else Sage will be in and we can all start writing Carr's obituary column.

Man, Sage showed some mad poise and pocket presence. It seemed like he was clicking out there better than perhaps DC ever has!


We'll see ... ought to be an INTERESTING week at Camp Kuby. :p

[Summer Song Giver]

Maybe they don't have one. Not every team needs to have one guy who is "the leader." Who is the leader for the Rockets?

JVG, shhh

[Major]

Maybe they don't have one. Not every team needs to have one guy who is "the leader." Who is the leader for the Rockets?

Tracy and Yao.

Every team has a leader or leaders. They may not be good, but there a few people who become the team's leader(s).

[Mr. Clutch]

Tracy and Yao.

Every team has a leader or leaders. They may not be good, but there a few people who become the team's leader(s).

Okay, so VY may be a leader who is not good at throwing the ball. I could accept that.

[Major]

Maybe they don't have one. Not every team needs to have one guy who is "the leader." Who is the leader for the Rockets?

By the way, at least a few Titans disagree with you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801340.html

"He's just a natural leader," Titans receiver Drew Bennett said. "Guys listen to him and look up to him. He knows how to deal with everybody, and hopefully that adds to his prowess as a quarterback."

[Major]

By the way, at least a few Titans disagree with you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801340.html

"He's just a natural leader," Titans receiver Drew Bennett said. "Guys listen to him and look up to him. He knows how to deal with everybody, and hopefully that adds to his prowess as a quarterback."


Same with his O-Coordinator:

Chow likes his work ethic and discipline while working with Young on footwork and vision in the pocket.

"He brings a tremendous amount of charisma and leadership. He has a very positive attitude and a very confident attitude," Chow said. "I think he has all of that, and those things are critical for a quarterback."

[SamFisher]

I was being sarcastic. A guy who is 7 of 15 for 87 yards is not the leader of his team either.

Considering that all his teammates, even the veteran ones, have repeatedly complimented his leadership ability since the first day of training camp, that's a pretty tough case to make.

[DaDakota]

Considering that all his teammates, even the veteran ones, have repeatedly complimented his leadership ability since the first day of training camp, that's a pretty tough case to make.

But, according to Ric...that is just not important.

:rolleyes:

DD

[Mr. Clutch]

Considering that all his teammates, even the veteran ones, have repeatedly complimented his leadership ability since the first day of training camp, that's a pretty tough case to make.

He's going to have to improve his passing, even if he is a good leader. People want to give him credit for this win, but if he deserves credit then who deserves the blame for all their losses? VY doesn't, but he didn't win this game either.

[DaDakota]

He's going to have to improve his passing, even if he is a good leader. People want to give him credit for this win, but if he deserves credit then who deserves the blame for all their losses? VY doesn't, but he didn't win this game either.

He sure looked good on that TD run when things broke down. He is a ROOKIE QB....he will get better, but his confidence and leadership are off the charts, he will win his fair share as he is growing as a QB, whereas others would lose until they become a good QB.

DD

[jopatmc]

Leadership can make a quarterback or the lack of leadership can sink a quarterback. This is the one physically unmeasurable trait that Vince Young has in abundance. You cannot underestimate the importance of it and the positive influence that this one single trait has on the whole team.

Next Sunday will be the tell all for Carr, at least for the time being. If the offense comes out flat with him starting, it should be obvious that there is a leadership problem. Sage does nothing better physically than David. I'm not even sure he can read defenses as well. But if Sage has the player's confidence and David doesn't, it will show up on the field.

Now, mind you, there is no way that we can put the whole loss on Carr yesterday. He wasn't playing special teams when Pac Man got loose. And he didn't drop those passes that AJ should have caught. AJ even let Sage's first pass bounce off his shoulder pads. So, while he made some tremendous plays, he made some horrible ones too.

But the bottom line is, if you as the coach, the manager, the quarterback are supposed to be the leader and the players turn you ooff, then you are otherwise finished. You either get them back or get out because if you don't have their respect then they will not follow you and game is over, hit and sunk.

If......Carr is Kubiak's qb, and I believe he is, then Kubiak and Carr will have to do whatever is necessary to gain back the confidence of the team. Otherwise, if Carr can't do it, then Kubes risks them losing confidence in him as the coach if he continues to run David out there.

While I have given up on the idea of Carr being a great leader, I still think he can be adequate, similar to a Drew Brees type. Brees has been a pretty decent/not great leader. But the ball is in his court on how he responds to things. It's more than just words. Guys in win and lose life and death situations are x-raying his innards. He can apologize all day long, say all the right things. It's not about what he says. It's about what they see when they x-ray him. If the team gets off to a bad start this next game, I would sit him down for the present future and let Sage play, either until Sage gets injured or otherwise becomes ineffective. Sometimes you've got to prove things one way or the other. If the team continues to respond to Sage positively, then you've got to stick with him.



I still think we should have drafted Vince because of these intangibles. VY is the black John Elway. ;)

[Stack24]

He sure looked good on that TD run when things broke down. He is a ROOKIE QB....he will get better, but his confidence and leadership are off the charts, he will win his fair share as he is growing as a QB, whereas others would lose until they become a good QB.

DD


Yes he looked good on that run and honestly that was about it. Im very unbiased when it comes to this discussion even though i am a texans fan. He look horrible on passing downs. There is a reason they run the ball as much as they do. He is not accurate at all on his passes and that has to definetly improve over time or he is just going to be a running QB. There were a few plays when the Texans blitzed him VY made the right read and passed to the open guy but only to over throw him by 8 -10 yards sometimes. That wasn't once but that was a few times during the game. He might be good but he hasn't shown me anything yet to be considered a great QB. In all the games i have watched this season he hasn't shown me much as a QB. The Titans running game is what's keeping them afloat in any game. Not VY's passing. And i have watched every game they have played this season.

[DaDakota]

Yes he looked good on that run and honestly that was about it. Im very unbiased when it comes to this discussion even though i am a texans fan. He look horrible on passing downs. There is a reason they run the ball as much as they do. He is not accurate at all on his passes and that has to definetly improve over time or he is just going to be a running QB. There were a few plays when the Texans blitzed him VY made the right read and passed to the open guy but only to over throw him by 8 -10 yards sometimes. That wasn't once but that was a few times during the game. He might be good but he hasn't shown me anything yet to be considered a great QB. In all the games i have watched this season he hasn't shown me much as a QB. The Titans running game is what's keeping them afloat in any game. Not VY's passing. And i have watched every game they have played this season.


I don't have any arguments with that, his passing has been below par, but that will come as he gets comfortable with knowing where the receievers are going to be and who should be open against certain types of defenses....things Rookies don't usually get.

DD

[Major]

Yes he looked good on that run and honestly that was about it. Im very unbiased when it comes to this discussion even though i am a texans fan. He look horrible on passing downs. There is a reason they run the ball as much as they do. He is not accurate at all on his passes and that has to definetly improve over time or he is just going to be a running QB. There were a few plays when the Texans blitzed him VY made the right read and passed to the open guy but only to over throw him by 8 -10 yards sometimes. That wasn't once but that was a few times during the game. He might be good but he hasn't shown me anything yet to be considered a great QB. In all the games i have watched this season he hasn't shown me much as a QB. The Titans running game is what's keeping them afloat in any game. Not VY's passing. And i have watched every game they have played this season.

Can you name a rookie QB that *did* look good 4 games into his career? And consider that everyone knew from day #1 that Vince had a longer learning curve, I'm not sure why any of that is surprising.

Of course he has to get better as a passer - that's a no-brainer. No one is saying he is great now - just that he has shown the various intangibles that you need to be great. And given his history of improvement at UT, people who have followed him for a long time expect that he will improve by leaps and bounds. When he was drafted, most people didn't expect him to even start a game until next year.

[MadMax]

Yes he looked good on that run and honestly that was about it. Im very unbiased when it comes to this discussion even though i am a texans fan. He look horrible on passing downs. There is a reason they run the ball as much as they do. He is not accurate at all on his passes and that has to definetly improve over time or he is just going to be a running QB. There were a few plays when the Texans blitzed him VY made the right read and passed to the open guy but only to over throw him by 8 -10 yards sometimes. That wasn't once but that was a few times during the game. He might be good but he hasn't shown me anything yet to be considered a great QB. In all the games i have watched this season he hasn't shown me much as a QB. The Titans running game is what's keeping them afloat in any game. Not VY's passing. And i have watched every game they have played this season.

i couldn't disagree more. the pass he threw to the receiver that was called out of bounds that was clearly in bounds was a terrific pass. he hit his guys in stride plenty of times. threw a TD and ran for one. he didn't WIN the game for the titans by any measure. but he sure didn't lose it for them, either. he didn't make mistakes that look like rookie mistakes. meanwhile, the 4.5 year vet on the other side of the field.......

[KingCheetah]

Look how many wins Reggie Bush has "led" the Saints to.

My post says nothing of Reggie Bush -- I could care less what Reggie did yesterday.


Please comment on the fact that Carr was pulled in the biggest game of the year because of his utter incompetence. Then explain how his backup (Sage) looked like Joe Montana in the same offense.

I await your reply.

[Mr. Clutch]

My post says nothing of Reggie Bush -- I could care less what Reggie did yesterday.


Please comment on the fact that Carr was pulled in the biggest game of the year because of his utter incompetence. Then explain how his backup (Sage) looked like Joe Montana in the same offense.

I await your reply.

I'm not defending Carr. He was horrible and I'm glad he was pulled. Sage was good, best QB on the field yesterday.

[Groogrux]

i couldn't disagree more. the pass he threw to the receiver that was called out of bounds that was clearly in bounds was a terrific pass. he hit his guys in stride plenty of times.

There was one angle that clearly showed that when Bennett's first foot was down, the ball was between his hands and his body.

Of course, they only showed it once and kept showing the angle from the sidelines where you couldn't see that.

[ima_drummer2k]

Next Sunday will be the tell all for Carr
Maybe the most profound thing said in this whole thread.

Carr was HORRIBLE on Sunday. I'm not going to defend that abortion of a 1st half. No excuses. If you're going to take a sack, HOLD ONTO THE DAMN BALL, especially on 3rd and long with less than a minute in the half! Christ!!

IMO this Sunday is the most important game of Carr's NFL career. It will be interesting to see how he responds to the adversity of getting benched the week before. He can either get pissed and play his ass off, or get pissed and play like crap.

If it's the latter, I'm all for cutting bait and moving on. By "moving on" I mean bring in a FA next year, not drafting a QB in the 1st round and starting all over again.

[MadMax]

There was one angle that clearly showed that when Bennett's first foot was down, the ball was between his hands and his body.

Of course, they only showed it once and kept showing the angle from the sidelines where you couldn't see that.

ah...i didn't see that replay. still a helluva pass.

[Groogrux]

ah...i didn't see that replay. still a helluva pass.

Agreed.

[HillBoy]

What disappointed me the most about yesterday was that Carr had a chance to man up and put all the "we shoulda took Vince" talk to rest. I knew Vince would have his game face on (diss him all ya want, but he did throw for one and run for another). Carr wilted.........
That's EXACTLY how I saw it. That's what troubles me more than anything: VY went into that game determined to win against the Texans because they were his hometown team who passed on him in the draft. He looked cool, calm and in control and while his stats weren't NFL great, he was effective at embarrassing Kubiak & McNair. And he definitely outclassed Carr who picked the wrong day to channel Drew Bledsoe. For chrissakes, Tennessee was a 1 win team before yesterday. This was a winnable game especially against the hated Bud Adams' Titans and he basically flamed out and did not make any plays (unless you count his fumble that led to 7 points which was the difference in the game). I'm not blaming him for the loss because he had plenty of help and company there - what I'm blaming him for is his continued inability to take command of this team's offense and lead. This is something fans have been waiting for 4 1/2 years and Carr's time may have run out in Houston. There was a lot of symbolic issues at stake yesterday that he could have addressed and laid to rest once and for all. Instead, he gets his butt benched and we are left with more questions than ever about him and his future here in Houston. If he can't be counted on to rise to the occasion for a statement game like yesterday's then I have to question whether or not he will ever be able to do so particularly in a win or go home playoff situation.

[updawg]

gotta try and move carr if theres anything available now or during the offseason. Sage looked good in there, it was nice to see an actual NFL offense. Carr just isn't going to work unfortunately. Lets end his time and move on, not waste more time with him.
I do think he can have some success somewhere else, just not going to work with the Texans unfortunately.
I'd prefer a free agent veteran QB and build the rest of the positions up. then have someone sit and learn for a season or two. Now that Casserly's dumbass is gone we will probably have some good drafts.

[Ric]

Vince has it, David doesn't (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/10/lets_spend_a_we.html)
dick justice, DD? really? that's the best you can do? because that douchetard's played organized sports?...

tell me, DD, since we're ignoring pesky annoynaces like "stats," what, exactly, did vy do yesterday that inspired his teammates to be better; to actually played beyond their physical and mental abilities? was it his faggy celebrtation dances? the fact he almost made a lot of plays?

and stop if your response includes anything about a "W." the titans won yesterday IN SPITE of vy, who was, by any standard, horrible.

[Ric]

I don't have any arguments with that, his passing has been below par
if only vy had someone to magically inspire him to be better....

[MadMax]

dick justice, DD? really? that's the best you can do? because that douchetard's played organized sports?...

tell me, DD, since we're ignoring pesky annoynaces like "stats," what, exactly, did vy do yesterday that inspired his teammates to be better; to actually played beyond their physical and mental abilities? was it his faggy celebrtation dances? the fact he almost made a lot of plays?

and stop if your response includes anything about a "W." the titans won yesterday IN SPITE of vy, who was, by any standard, horrible.

are you done defending carr, yet?

[Rocket River]

gotta try and move carr if theres anything available now or during the offseason. Sage looked good in there, it was nice to see an actual NFL offense. Carr just isn't going to work unfortunately. Lets end his time and move on, not waste more time with him.
I do think he can have some success somewhere else, just not going to work with the Texans unfortunately.
I'd prefer a free agent veteran QB and build the rest of the positions up. then have someone sit and learn for a season or two. Now that Casserly's dumbass is gone we will probably have some good drafts.

Trade him to Dallas. . . then again . . after our last trade with them
they may not loke us too too much

[Did that QB even see the field for them?]

Rocket RIver

[SamFisher]

if only vy had someone to magically inspire him to be better....

If only Ric could take the battle red and deep steel blue rod out of its repository for a few seconds......

[tinman]

What's not open for debate is his heart and the fact that on this one day he was going to do what needed to be done to win. This heart is what the Texans could have had.



Dakota brings up a point. this is what Clutch City brings, this is why the Jedi ultimately defeated the empire. This is why Maxwell destroyed the Suns, thats why Robert Horry hits game winners, this is why Mario Elie blew Joe Klein the kiss of death, this is why Hakeem worked MVP David Robinson, this is why Sam Cassell brings the Clippers to the playoffs

You get it Texan fans? Us ROCKETS FANS get it.

There is a major difference from that FOOTBALL TEAM in BUFFALO with a 35point lead vs the ROCKETS who were down 3-1 and 0-2 to Phoenix.

There was an obvious difference from that Team with David Carr vs that team with that dude who didnt have such great stats.

Get it? I hope you guys figure it out.

[sammy]

Dakota brings up a point. this is what Clutch City brings, this is why the Jedi ultimately defeated the empire. This is why Maxwell destroyed the Suns, thats why Robert Horry hits game winners, this is why Mario Elie blew Joe Klein the kiss of death, this is why Hakeem worked MVP David Robinson, this is why Sam Cassell brings the Clippers to the playoffs

You get it Texan fans? Us ROCKETS FANS get it.

There is a major difference from that FOOTBALL TEAM in BUFFALO with a 35point lead vs the ROCKETS who were down 3-1 and 0-2 to Phoenix.

There was an obvious difference from that Team with David Carr vs that team with that dude who didnt have such great stats.

Get it? I hope you guys figure it out.


Someone notify me when Tinman makes a point relevant to football.

[tinman]

Someone notify me when Tinman makes a point relevant to football.
i guess you dont understand what Heart is and Heart is needed to win Championships.

i guess you enjoy heartless football, so you watch the Texans get whipped all the time.

look at Tom Brady, he's not as mobile or as strong as David Carr, but he has..

heart.

can you find it?
do know what heart does?

heart.

[Ric]

are you done defending carr, yet?
no; not at all. i'm anxious to see what he does next week.

frankly, i think this is all part of kubiak's grand plan. like the first 15 plays of a game he scripts on saturday, i think kubiak had 2006 scripted back in june. he was gonna build carr up before camp, show him the support the organization has never given him, and then spend the rest of the year methodically stripping him down bit by bit, to test what he had. my guess is the "bench carr" card has been in his back pocket all along, he was just waiting for the right time to play it.

it's actually kind of fascinating; it's like kubiak is jamming 4 years of what SHOULD HAVE BEEN happening into a single season and i'm anxious for it to play out.

[sammy]

Vince didnt turnover the ball so he did play better than Carr obviously but he still has a lot to prove. The Titans are playing the Jags, Ravens, Eagles, Giants, and the Colts before returning to Houston. I would be surprised if they won any of those games. Back to the real topic....I just dont see Carr doing well against the Giants but he is so inconsistant which makes me a very confused fan.

[Ric]

i guess you dont understand what Heart is and Heart is needed to win Championships.
geez. and all this time, i thought it was, you know, stupid stuff like talent, coaching, some luck.... but all it takes is heart, huh?

[updawg]

Ric I like your support but unfortunately you are reading way too much into this.
Carr SUCKS.
If Sage coming into the game and making this offense look like a NFL offense didn't prove that too you I don't know what else will.
Carr is flustered, shell shocked and not a natural leader. he's got a good arm but thats about it.

[Groogrux]

For the love of Christ, can we please stop acting like Carr has never played like Sage did yesterday. Hell, he did it last week.

[updawg]

because it only took Sage 1 game (half a season on this team).

[sammy]

i guess you dont understand what Heart is and Heart is needed to win Championships.

i guess you enjoy heartless football, so you watch the Texans get whipped all the time.

look at Tom Brady, he's not as mobile or as strong as David Carr, but he has..

heart.

can you find it?
do know what heart does?

heart.

Im so glad you finally made a point that had something to do with football. Lets see - in 2005 - the Patriots only had SIX pro-bowlers on the team. In 2004 - Dillon only rushed for over 1600 yards. The Patriots have been stacked, expecially on defense. Is it fair to say that Brady is better than Carr? sure. Im not defending Carr anymore but your points dont make sense.

[Groogrux]

because it only took Sage 1 game (half a season on this team).

Since he did it for one half, this Super Duper Sage, a career-backup QB, is automatically better than Carr.

That's some damn good logic right there. :rolleyes:

[KingCheetah]

Since he did it for one half, this Super Duper Sage, a career-backup QB, is automatically better than Carr.

That's some damn good logic right there. :rolleyes:

Carr --> 20 - 51 as a starter.


/duh

[SwoLy-D]

I wish Andre Johnson would step up and say how he really feels about Carr because I don't think he can stand him.WTF? I wonder who threw those FOUR 100-Yard game passes to Andre Johnson. :rolleyes:

I wonder how many passes where DC hits AJ right on the numbers AJ has dropped. I don't keep that stat. Do you think AJ does?Am I the only one who thinks half the posters here were cheering when Carr had a bad game?That F*cking makes me so f*ck*ng mad, man. Seriously. :mad:
I'm going to show you what the deal is:

David ))=D

Sage ))=====D

Vince ))====================DYou've been in the locker room with them? :confused:

Carr --> 20 - 51 as a starter.Yeah... since he played DEFENSE, OFFENSE, and SPECIAL TEAMS all by himself, and stuff. :rolleyes: what a loser! :rolleyes:

EXACTLY, RocketMan95... I see the frustration on most of these Carr haters.

[Groogrux]

Carr --> 20 - 51 as a starter.


/duh

Yep. The QB is the only person responsible for a team's success or failure. It has absolutely nothing to do with a good defense or pass blocking. It's all David Carr's fault that he's been sacked more times in his first four seasons than anyone in NFL history.

Duh.

[KingCheetah]

EXACTLY, RocketMan95... I see the frustration on most of these Carr haters.

It seems the Carr homers are the frustrated ones as their loverboy was finally benched because of his piss poor performance.

[Groogrux]

It seems the Carr homers are the frustrated ones as their loverboy was finally benched because of his piss poor performance.

Actually, I was happy he was benched. I think it was obvious he was having a terrible game and would try to force too much in the second half to make up for his mistakes.

I'm sorry your Super Duper Sage isn't starting next week though. I hope you and the others smiling yesterday make it through. :(

[SwoLy-D]

When did I ever say that benching him was INCORRECT? It was a correct decision by Kubiak. DC had a bad game. OK... it was a poor performance. Who is saying here it's not?

[mrdave543]

When did I ever say that benching him was INCORRECT? It was a correct decision by Kubiak. DC had a bad game. OK... it was a poor performance. Who is saying here it's not?


according to your signature it was a mistake to re-sign him!! :p :p

[ima_drummer2k]

frankly, i think this is all part of kubiak's grand plan
Kubiak actually told Carr he would bench him if he turned the ball over one more time. What happened? He turned the ball over one more time, so Kubiak benched him...like he said he would.

Contrary to the thread title, Carr is not "done" he was just being punished for playing like crap by a coach who was just doing exactly what he said he would do.

That being said, I think the Giants game is gut check time for Carr. Big time. Should be interesting (and telling) to see how he reacts to all of this come Sunday.

[sammy]

according to your signature it was a mistake to re-sign him!! :p :p

We'll see how happy you are when you guys come back to Houston 2-10. :) :)

[KingCheetah]

Yep. The QB is the only person responsible for a team's success or failure.

It's all David Carr's fault that he's been sacked more times in his first four seasons than anyone in NFL history.

Duh.

Sage starts that game the Texans win -- it's unfortunate that you can't get your brain around this one. Sage didn't seem to have the same difficulties with protection after Carr's benching -- he was poised and made all the right decisions.

Carr is 20-51 as a starter.

[Groogrux]

Sage starts that game the Texans win -- it's unfortunate that you can't get your brain around this one. Sage didn't seem to have the same difficulties with protection after Carr's benching -- he was poised and made all the right decisions.

Carr is 20-51 as a starter.

What is it about career backup QB that you do not understand? Or the fact that Carr is starting on Sunday? Why can't you wrap your brain around that? Or the fact that he's been surrounded by terrible players his entire career? I'm sorry that your 30 minutes of orgasmic Montana-like football won't continue for you haters next week.

BTW, I have not once said that Carr was not the one to take the majority of the blame yesterday. Bad games happen. He's been average to above-average the vast majority of the season. He's not the reason we're 2-5.

[updawg]

Since he did it for one half, this Super Duper Sage, a career-backup QB, is automatically better than Carr.

That's some damn good logic right there. :rolleyes:

To me it just shows how bad the Franchise QB is after 4 years.

I know this is an impossible argument, the only reason I am making it is because I wish they would make a QB change and start taking steps forward. To me Carr just isn't the future, time to move on and let the team evolve without him.

Casserly gone...
Capers gone....
Bad draft picks gone...
Time to move on with Kubiak and crew.

Thats all for me...

[mrdave543]

We'll see how happy you are when you guys come back to Houston 2-10. :) :)


Considering who they are playing...I would not be that surprised if they were 2-10, I predict 4-8 (very optimistic)

Jags
Ravens
Eagles
Giants
Colts...

However, I expect only the texans to beat 1 of their next 5 opponents as well, to be 3-9

[SwoLy-D]

according to your signature it was a mistake to re-sign him!! :p :pI knew that would come back and bite me in the *cola*. :D Nice one. What my signature says is that I am wrong his stats are so GOOD this year, and that he had a bad game worthy of his benching. He will start next week. All the "Carr is done" posters here are just pissed over a ONE-game deal. He wasn't this bad in all the previous 5 games. What, the defense ALL is DONE, too? :mad:

[RocketManJosh]

bottom line ... Carr will start next week

[KingCheetah]

What is it about career backup QB that you do not understand? Or the fact that Carr is starting on Sunday?

Just proves the point that a 'career backup' looked like an all pro player in the same offense after Carr was pulled for his pathetic play.

Carr is on a very short leash with a choker chain next Sunday.

[Ric]

Carr --> 20 - 51 as a starter.
/duh
actually, he's 18-48 as a starter.

btw, moon was 20-40 as a starter in his first 4 NFL seasons.

[KingCheetah]

actually, he's 18-48 as a starter

Even better.

[updawg]

Carr is on a very short leash with a choker chain next Sunday.

Choke chain should make him comfortable :D

[Summer Song Giver]

I am willing to give Carr seven more years but that's it, if he can't get it done by then I'm pulling the plug.

[SwoLy-D]

Why did you remove Moon's comparison when quoting, KingCheetah? Selective quote much? Even BETTER is the fact that Moon had already played in the CFL... so it DOES matter what kind of team a QB plays in... not just on him. Carr is a great passer. Sunday's game has been his worst and if you see a worse game, please refer to this post: He will NOT have a worser game than this one. :o

[DaDakota]

actually, he's 18-48 as a starter.

btw, moon was 20-40 as a starter in his first 4 NFL seasons.

How many NFL championships did Moon win, exactly?

DD

[Groogrux]

Why did you remove Moon's comparison when quoting, KingCheetah? Selective quote much? Even BETTER is the fact that Moon had already played in the CFL... so it DOES matter what kind of team a QB plays in... not just on him. Carr is a great passer. Sunday's game has been his worst and if you see a worse game, please refer to this post: He will NOT have a worser game than this one. :o

Cause he was too busy with his sock and his cutey-pie picture of Sage Montana. Especially since he won't see him next week.

[Groogrux]

How many NFL championships did Moon win, exactly?

DD

Of course, the lack of championships is all his fault. :rolleyes:

The guy is in the freaking Hall of Fame for chrissakes.

[SwoLy-D]

How many NFL championships did Moon win, exactly?

DDWho gives a sh*t about that, Trent Dilfer? DEFENSE didn't stop Montana in '92, DEFENSE allowed Buffalo to come back from 30+ points down. :mad: I'm sorry if DEFENSE wasn't Moon.

[Buck Turgidson]

Time to move on with Kubiak and crew.
Of course, "Kubiak & crew" includes David Carr, who Kubes chose to keep in Houston instead of drafting a QB.

[sammy]

How many NFL championships did Moon win, exactly?

DD


And how many championships did Marino win? How many did Elway win before the Broncos got Terrell Davis.

[Groogrux]

Of course, "Kubiak & crew" includes David Carr, who Kubes chose to keep in Houston instead of drafting a QB.

And chose to start over Sage Montana next week.

[SamFisher]

Why did you remove Moon's comparison when quoting, KingCheetah? Selective quote much? Even BETTER is the fact that Moon had already played in the CFL... so it DOES matter what kind of team a QB plays in... not just on him. Carr is a great passer. Sunday's game has been his worst and if you see a worse game, please refer to this post: He will NOT have a worser game than this one. :o

Moon led his team to the playoffs in his 4th and 5th seasons and made the pro bowl. Why is this a valid comparison to Carr?

[Ric]

How many NFL championships did Moon win, exactly?

same number as dan marino... if only they had the heart and leadership skills of a trent dilfer......

[sammy]

And how many championships did Marino win? How many did Elway win before the Broncos got Terrell Davis.

Oh yea...one of my favorites....how many rings does Peyton Manning have??

[Buck Turgidson]

How many NFL championships did Moon win, exactly?

DD
Same number as Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Len Dawson, Dan Fouts and Fran Tarkenton.

"Count the Rings" is a poor arguement point when talking football.

[Ric]

Moon led his team to the playoffs in his 4th and 5th seasons and made the pro bowl. Why is this a valid comparison to Carr?
in moon's fifth season (1988), he was playing with munchak, mathews, steinkuler, jeffires and white - all five were 1st round picks. yesterday, carr had one first round pick on his side of the ball.

point is, it took moon nearly 4 full years in the nfl (plus, iirc, five in the cfl) to achieve a status most are expecting of carr, and the team he played for did a much better job building around him.

[sammy]

Moon led his team to the playoffs in his 4th and 5th seasons and made the pro bowl. Why is this a valid comparison to Carr?


Moon had more yards and TD's in his first 4 season but overs 20 more picks also. First 2 seasons were in CFL i believe.

[sammy]

First 2 seasons were in CFL i believe.

nevermind...lol

[tinman]

And how many championships did Marino win? How many did Elway win before the Broncos got Terrell Davis.

The Texans dont have anyone close to Marino or Terrell Davis.
our best player is Andre Johnson.

[SwoLy-D]

The Texans dont have anyone close to Marino or Terrell Davis.
our best player is Andre Johnson.I wonder WHICH QUARTERBACK has thrown him the ball... :rolleyes:

And he has NEVER EVER dropped a great pass, huh? :rolleyes:

I wonder how many RECEIVERS that QB has to throw to. :rolleyes:

Next thing you're going to tell me is that Tony Romo is the best player on the Cowgirls' team.

[IROC it]

Funny how the original post in here indicated this was about Bledsoe and Romo under different names... :D

No way.

[Saint Louis]

http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/April2004/02couch.jpg

I'm here for you DC if you need a shoulder to cry on.

[Icehouse]

in moon's fifth season (1988), he was playing with munchak, mathews, steinkuler, jeffires and white - all five were 1st round picks. yesterday, carr had one first round pick on his side of the ball.

point is, it took moon nearly 4 full years in the nfl (plus, iirc, five in the cfl) to achieve a status most are expecting of carr, and the team he played for did a much better job building around him.

All of the Falcon's WR's were first round picks. They all still suck though.

Munchack & Matthwes were studs and Moon certainly had more protection than Carr. But are you really going to try to compare Carr on the field to Moon in his early years? Seriously.....

Question...has their ever been a QB given as much leeway as David? Damn, it's 5 seasons man. I'm sorry your line sucks. I'm sure you aren't the only QB to have a crappy line. Time to move in another direction, because the direction with Carr isn't working for whatever reason/excuse you wanna give.....

[tinman]

I wonder WHICH QUARTERBACK has thrown him the ball... :rolleyes:

And he has NEVER EVER dropped a great pass, huh? :rolleyes:

I wonder how many RECEIVERS that QB has to throw to. :rolleyes:

Next thing you're going to tell me is that Tony Romo is the best player on the Cowgirls' team.
Moulds is a probowler

look at Edgerin James without Peyton Manning.

put Moulds and Andre Johnson on the Colts and put Harrison and Wayne on the Texans and see what happens.

[Groogrux]

Question...has their ever been a QB given as much leeway as David? Damn, it's 5 seasons man. I'm sorry your line sucks. I'm sure you aren't the only QB to have a crappy line. Time to move in another direction, because the direction with Carr isn't working for whatever reason/excuse you wanna give.....

Yeah, it's all Carr. It has nothing to do with that fantabulous OL that allowed Carr to be sacked more than any other player in league history through his first four years. What about those spectacular receivers like Jabar Gaffney or Corey Bradford. They're tearing up the league right now, huh? How about all those quality TEs David Carr had as weapons? Of course, the only reason AJ is a pro-bowler and is considered one of the best receivers in the game is because only Sage Montana and Tony Brady have thrown him the ball. David Carr doesn't even look his way.

[rrj_gamz]

Chronicle (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/4296399.html)
From the Chronicle article which I finally read...Even though Sage Rosenfels came off the bench to throw three touchdowns in the second half, coach Gary Kubiak said emphatically after the game that Carr is still the starter.

"He was very (mad) and should have been," Kubiak said. "That's a tough pill to swallow.

"To be great in this league, you've got to pay a tremendous price. You've got to go through a lot, but I expect him to bounce back next week and have a good game (against the New York Giants)."

Carr should remained benched, but yet again, he's bailed out...Show some real ballz...

[Icehouse]

Yeah, it's all Carr. It has nothing to do with that fantabulous OL that allowed Carr to be sacked more than any other player in league history through his first four years. What about those spectacular receivers like Jabar Gaffney or Corey Bradford. They're tearing up the league right now, huh? How about all those quality TEs David Carr had as weapons? Of course, the only reason AJ is a pro-bowler and is considered one of the best receivers in the game is because only Sage Montana and Tony Brady have thrown him the ball. David Carr doesn't even look his way.

It's not all Carr. But part of it is him. You don't find it strange at all that Sage didn't have these same issues yesterday. I would like to see another QB back there to see what the problems really are.

My problem with Carr is he is an average QB to me, but not paid like one. Honestly, do you ever say to yourself "I am counting on Carr to bring us a win, as opposed to not make mistakes and blow it"?

[IROC it]

Sage < Commander Cody

Carlson would have won that game.

[IROC it]

You don't find it strange at all that Sage didn't have these same issues yesterday. I would like to see another QB back there to see what the problems really are.


Sage would not do that from the starting gun. The defense was clearly relaxed.


He came into a situation where the opposing team had a huge lead, and when the threat of an comeback showed itself, our defense couldn't stop them from sealing the coffin.


It's Sage's fault that the Titans scored points 23-28 under most of logic in here. :rolleyes:

[DaDakota]

same number as dan marino... if only they had the heart and leadership skills of a trent dilfer......

LOL - Marino is certainly a great leader, but that doesn't always mean you win......it all.

I was being a little sarcastic when talking about Moon, of course as an Oilers fan I knew how many championships he won...

:rolleyes:

Of course that takes good teamates, and some luck...especially in Dilfer's case, who by the way took his inspiration from Ray Lewis...as a teamate.

:p

DD

[rocketfat]

Same number as Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Len Dawson, Dan Fouts and Fran Tarkenton.

"Count the Rings" is a poor arguement point when talking football.


you're right. let's change that to "count the times they came within 5 games of a playoff berth".

i'm willing to book any and all bets for any and all amounts of money that carr will never sniff the playoffs as starting qb of the houston texans. there is a 0% chance of that happening. he is a worthless loser. get it through your heads and give it up, people.

i don't understand how people can possibly still support him. it's just like the ausmus and biggio idiots on the astros threads. do you guys just like watching him because he's good-looking or something? alongside andrew walter, david carr is the worst starting quarterback in the league. it blows my mind that so many of you still support him. what unknowledgable fans this city has. makes me sad.

[rhino17]

you're right. let's change that to "count the times they came within 5 games of a playoff berth".

i'm willing to book any and all bets for any and all amounts of money that carr will never sniff the playoffs as starting qb of the houston texans. there is a 0% chance of that happening. he is a worthless loser. get it through your heads and give it up, people.

i don't understand how people can possibly still support him. it's just like the ausmus and biggio idiots on the astros threads. do you guys just like watching him because he's good-looking or something? alongside andrew walter, david carr is the worst starting quarterback in the league. it blows my mind that so many of you still support him. what unknowledgable fans this city has. makes me sad.

I agree 100%

[Mr. Clutch]

you're right. let's change that to "count the times they came within 5 games of a playoff berth".

i'm willing to book any and all bets for any and all amounts of money that carr will never sniff the playoffs as starting qb of the houston texans. there is a 0% chance of that happening. he is a worthless loser. get it through your heads and give it up, people.

i don't understand how people can possibly still support him. it's just like the ausmus and biggio idiots on the astros threads. do you guys just like watching him because he's good-looking or something? alongside andrew walter, david carr is the worst starting quarterback in the league. it blows my mind that so many of you still support him. what unknowledgable fans this city has. makes me sad.

Yes, rocketfat, we like watching him because he's good looking.

If you think fans are unknoweldgeable, then what do you think about Kubiak?

[sammy]

apparently rocketfat thinks david carr looks good

[Rokkit]

Yeah, it's all Carr. It has nothing to do with that fantabulous OL that allowed Carr to be sacked more than any other player in league history through his first four years. What about those spectacular receivers like Jabar Gaffney or Corey Bradford. They're tearing up the league right now, huh? How about all those quality TEs David Carr had as weapons? Of course, the only reason AJ is a pro-bowler and is considered one of the best receivers in the game is because only Sage Montana and Tony Brady have thrown him the ball. David Carr doesn't even look his way.


Though I'm not on the "Get rid of Carr!!" bandwagon just yet, I don't understand this logic. You could say that about anyone on the roster of our last few craptacular seasons. It's never all on just one guy in football.

But if it isn't working...you have to start making changes. And QB is just as important a place as any (if not more).

I don't think it is anywhere near black and white that Carr's play makes him 'untouchable'. Very few players on this team fall under that label. As such, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that QB be one of vital positions to look at for a possible change.

[JunkyardDwg]

I originally felt it was a bad move to pull Carr from the game...but after thinking about, I think it was the best thing that could have happened to him. Carr needed that little dose of reality; he needed to know that if he's gonna play bad (despite what the rest of the team is doing cause it wasn't all his fault yesterday) he'll be pulled. I'm glad it made him mad, because maybe that'll make him focus more.

I'm also glad that Kubiak nixed any notion of Sage possibly starting next week. Carr deserves to go back out there and prove he can overcome this. He had been playing pretty well up until last week.

[updawg]

what if he has a bad game next weekend?

On the road against the Giants isn't the easiest place to get your bearings back. How long do we make excuses for him? Three more years?

[hatemavs4life]

I knew that would come back and bite me in the *cola*. :D Nice one. What my signature says is that I am wrong his stats are so GOOD this year, and that he had a bad game worthy of his benching. He will start next week. All the "Carr is done" posters here are just pissed over a ONE-game deal. He wasn't this bad in all the previous 5 games. What, the defense ALL is DONE, too? :mad:

C'mon Swoly, it's been MORE than one game. The Dallas game and the Titan game he threw combined 3 picks, zero TDs, 30 of 48 for 230 total yds. The completion percentage means nothing if you are not progressing your team. The dink and dunk is NOT getting it done! Sage when in on Sunday actually took shots down the field. Carr is playing 'scared' there is no other way to put it. Sorry man, I call them the way that I see them.

The Eagles and the Skins, he only has good numbers because he rarely took advantage of any mismatches down the field. The opposing defensive coordinators know this and are cover 2, zone blitzing us to death. Until he or someone else show an ability to refute this otherwise.

The Colts game, basically numbers were cosmetic and therapeutic. They basically mean nothing if you do not progress in your leadership abilities.

I feel bad for Carr. He has gotten a raw deal since basically day one but this is a Man's league and you have to produce. That's what they're paying him for.

After Sunday, I dont think Carr can get it done. I dont see any leadership from him and I dont see him inspiring a flea much less his teammates.

A QB needs to have the ability to overcome bad plays, decisions, penalties, turnovers and be a warrior. At this moment, Carr is NOT or does NOT demonstrate that ability.

Sorry, that's the bottom line, dude. It is what it is. We're screwed with an overrated QB.

[hatemavs4life]

i guess you dont understand what Heart is and Heart is needed to win Championships.

i guess you enjoy heartless football, so you watch the Texans get whipped all the time.

look at Tom Brady, he's not as mobile or as strong as David Carr, but he has..

heart.

can you find it?
do know what heart does?

heart.

Yes, exactly. Carr does not have the "IT" factor that the great leaders of yesterday have. Elway, Namath, Marino, Montana, Young, etc. ...

Carr can work well within a manageable game but when things start destructing, he has no answer. Sorry, that comeback against J-Ville in 2003 was an aberration. Since then, the Vikes in 2004 against a bad defense but basically time and again he shows no ability to rally the troops and inspire comebacks.

[Luckyazn]

Yes, exactly. Carr does not have the "IT" factor that the great leaders of yesterday have. Elway, Namath, Marino, Montana, Young, etc. ...

Carr can work well within a manageable game but when things start destructing, he has no answer. Sorry, that comeback against J-Ville in 2003 was an aberration. Since then, the Vikes in 2004 against a bad defense but basically time and again he shows no ability to rally the troops and inspire comebacks.


SO WHY PAID $8 mil for him ??? The point is CARR is NEVER WORTH $8 mil or even $5mil just cause he was a #1 pick ..... WE CAN USE SOMEONE ELSE INSTEAD and use the $$$ on other players.


DAVID CARR = MOST OVER PAID PLAYER IN NFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luckyazn]

I rather take

BRAD JOHNSON over CARR!




START SAGE!!!

[KingCheetah]

Yeah, it's all Carr.

If you spent more time watching the game and less time staring at Carr's ass then you might understand what we are talking about.

[DaDakota]

Guys, everyone knows I am no Carr fan.

BUT.

The guy is completing over 70% of his passes, he had one really bad half.....let's see how he responds.

I do think that Kubiak is happy he had to bench him.....sometimes players need a kick in the A$$....

Carr has never had that....let's see what kind of leader he is, or can become.

The Texans are going nowhere this year, Kubiak knows it, so he is trying to find out who his keepers are....and who is dead wood.

DD

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

I rather take

BRAD JOHNSON over CARR!




START SAGE!!!

hmmmm....Are you watching the same game I am tonight? Brad Johnson SUCKS! CARR is better than BJ

[Luckyazn]

Guys, everyone knows I am no Carr fan.

BUT.

The guy is completing over 70% of his passes, he had one really bad half.....let's see how he responds.

I do think that Kubiak is happy he had to bench him.....sometimes players need a kick in the A$$....

Carr has never had that....let's see what kind of leader he is, or can become.

The Texans are going nowhere this year, Kubiak knows it, so he is trying to find out who his keepers are....and who is dead wood.

DD


Do you guys know Y Sage looks so goood out there vs Tenn? Same reason DAVID CARR has a high QB RATING! .... when you're DOWN by 14+pts every game and you start throwing and stats padding at the end like Carr did in the INDY game..... is pointless.

If Sage was in there and it was a close game .... he's stats wont have look so good either.

David Carr stats are OVER RATED!

[DaDakota]

CARR is better than BJ

OK, to be clear...NOTHING is better than a BJ.


And a BJ in the car is cool too.

;)

DD

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Yes, exactly. Carr does not have the "IT" factor that the great leaders of yesterday have. Elway, Namath, Marino, Montana, Young, etc. ...

I can't believe you just lumped Vince Young in with all the all-time greats. :eek:














:p

[MiniMing]

Why did we pay this guy, unbelievable..

[Luckyazn]

Why did we pay this guy, unbelievable..

because David Carr brought Bob McNair some FAT ASS JOINT!!

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

OK, to be clear...NOTHING is better than a BJ.


And a BJ in the car is cool too.

;)

DD


But only when they don't use their Teeth! ;)

[msn]

Guys, everyone knows I am no Carr fan.

BUT.

The guy is completing over 70% of his passes, he had one really bad half.....let's see how he responds.

I do think that Kubiak is happy he had to bench him.....sometimes players need a kick in the A$$....

Carr has never had that....let's see what kind of leader he is, or can become.

The Texans are going nowhere this year, Kubiak knows it, so he is trying to find out who his keepers are....and who is dead wood.

DD
Good post. I agree with this, top to bottom.

[Groogrux]

Good post. I agree with this, top to bottom.

HAHA!! msn <3 Carr and wants to have his babies!!!

[Ric]

The Texans are going nowhere this year, Kubiak knows it, so he is trying to find out who his keepers are....and who is dead wood.
exactly, DD.

kubiak is essentially having to cram 4 years into a single season. this is how carr SHOULD HAVE been treated from the start, but never was.

[rhester]

Kubiak said yesterday that David Carr is the future of this team.

That doesn't make me feel all excited about the team and the direction we are going.

For the next three yrs. we can have all kind of debates and opinions on David Carr.

But let's just focus on our record for the next three yrs. and the high draft picks we will have.

[updawg]

Well I am glad to see that team is pretty unanimous in support of Carr. That is a good sign.

[Groogrux]

If you spent more time watching the game and less time staring at Carr's ass then you might understand what we are talking about.

I guess Andre, Dunta, and Bruener (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/4298816.html) like David's ass as well.

"I think Dave can bounce back from it".

"You can't sit a guy after one bad half. Dave was coming off a great game against Jacksonville, and there's no way you throw a guy under the bus for one bad half."

"First of all, not all the mistakes that are being blamed on him are his fault," Bruener said. "A lot of us made some mistakes that hurt us."

"You know, I'm sure this is tough for Dave, but we know what kind of player he is and how competitive he is, and I'm sure he's going to come back very determined to play well".

"We believe in David".

What a bunch of idiot apologists. :rolleyes:

[Groogrux]

But let's just focus on our record for the next three yrs. and the high draft picks we will have.

Way to be positive. :rolleyes:

[underoverup]

carr should get one more chance cause he was doing pretty well through the early part of the season. if the other teams have figured out how to fluster him in the pocket and he plays as bad as he did against the titans then he needs to get the hook early because sage really did look pretty good back there. :cool:

[rhester]

Way to be positive. :rolleyes:

You're right.

And I know I will get over it.

Just a win next week will get the cheer back in me.

I just never liked Carr as a QB and I am convinced the Carr experiment is a mistake.

Let's wait and see. Hope I'm wrong, but everything I've seen on the field tells me he will not become a winner for this team.

Do you know how the team could have won two games in a row and a tough road game last Sun? Here's how, if a good QB was leading the team that would have happened.

David Carr admitted what i just said and apologized so I don't think I am wrong on that.

The difference is that Kubiak is going to redeem Carr and I hope he does, cause it doesn't look like he is going to sit him.

I wouldn't want to be on the team as a player. You work too hard and give all you have and you want to win soooo bad and you have this nagging doubt that the QB that gives you the best chance to get some W's is over sitting on the bench with a clipboard.

Pray for Kubiak. It is all on him at this point.

[JayZ750]

As high a rating as Carr had previously, the team still wasn't scoring points. Some of that was definitely lack of a running game...but I think it is just as much of Kubiak drilling into Carr that he can't turn the ball over.

The problem is Carr can't put it all together to be good. He can either run little rinky-dink plays that move the team and pick up some yardage, without committing too many turnovers, but failing to score, or try and go for the bigger plays on those second and third reads, and fail. And then ever once in a while hit a big play (a long AJ touchdown or something similiar)

All I've seen from Carr this year up until Tennessee was exactly the same as prior years, except it looked as if the offense had been simplified specifically so he wouldn't be put in situations to (1) get sacked as much, (2) throw interceptions, or (3) have to throw it away or just make a bad throw.

He still, even in good games, just gets rattled too easily and quickly when dropping back in the pocket. He stills seems relatively inept at make throws to the middle of the field (short of 1-5 yards drop offs). And he still seems to be unable to step-up when the team needs him most.

The only reason to keep playing him at all, imo, is to keep his trade value up somewhat. If you have an excellent, well-rounded team, you don't need a superstar quarterback to win. But the Texans don't have that team. Plus, Superbowl champions with middle of the road quarterbacks tend to always be the teams that completely suck again 1 or 2 years down the road.

Carr will never be more than just average. Surely Kubiak and Co. know this?

This will never happen, but I'd actually LOVE to see a dual quarterback system for the next few games. Will the Texans make the playoffs this year? No! Why not actually see if your guy truly is the QB of the future then. Carr can play 1st half, Sage 2nd half, or 1st/3rd quarter, 2nd/4th quarter, then mix it up the next week. Couple of weeks of that and you'd have as direct and comparable an evaluation analysis as possible.

[updawg]

This will never happen, but I'd actually LOVE to see a dual quarterback system for the next few games. Will the Texans make the playoffs this year? No! Why not actually see if your guy truly is the QB of the future then. Carr can play 1st half, Sage 2nd half, or 1st/3rd quarter, 2nd/4th quarter, then mix it up the next week. Couple of weeks of that and you'd have as direct and comparable an evaluation analysis as possible.

That would be interesting.

The feeling I have for Carr is that he is OK when the going is good, but any sign of trouble and he's going to fold.