Fans Prefer to Bash Texans Rather Than Praise Them

[Jeff]

For a while now, I've believed that "fans" are more interested in blasting teams when they lose than they are in praising them when they win. Maybe this is due to the people who don't like the team showing up only for losses and those that like the team showing up regardless. I don't know. But, the fact is that negative calls to talk radio, posts on the BBS, etc. are more prevalent than positive posts. Need some anecdotal evidence?

Just look at the "Official" Texans threads this season.

Winning Threads:

Jags - 177 total posts
Dolphins - 275 total posts

Losing Threads:

Cowboys - 568
Redskins - 446
Colts - 408
Eagles - 395

Note that the number increased one loss to the next while the two winning games have decreased. To me (and I could be wrong), that is indicative of fans who love the team beginning to lose interest because of the losses while haters are growing increasingly more interested in slamming the team.

The reality is that the team is more popular - at least in terms of discussion - when they suck. When they win, no one seems to care.

[Major Malcontent]

Well part of it is during the game posts are less when we are winning..cause people are actually watching the game instead of posting.

But point taken...we are too negative as a whole.

[rezdawg]

Good eye.

Im just pissed that Reggie Bush had a bye week because I wanted to compare his rushing numbers today to Lundy's. But, I proceeded to check Bush's rushing numbers combined over his last 3 games and realized that Lundy still rushed for about 20 more yards and had 1 more rushing TD...so I smiled and took a nap.

[Joe Joe]

I would say a lot of people use this board as a Texans Fan Support group for when they lose. When the Texans win, fans go to celebrate.

[The Real Shady]

It's more about venting then anything else. When I get pissed I jump online to talk about it. When the Texans are playing well I just sit back and enjoy.

[SwoLy-D]

Eff the pessimist bahstids. I keep stickin' by their side.

When we lose, the so-called "fans" want to fix EVERYTHING. They have NOTHING to fix when we win. They're happy that way. Eff 'em. :mad:

[david_rocket]

Well the only game thread is ok to get high number of posts no matter they lose, was the cowboys game, because had a lot of pregame posts
The post distribution were this way:

pregame posts (97) game posts (340) postgame posts (131)

and was an important game for the fans.

[ima_drummer2k]

I would say a lot of people use this board as a Texans Fan Support group for when they lose. When the Texans win, fans go to celebrate.
I think there's more to it than that.

I think there is a HUGE "we should have drafted Bush/Vince" contingency on this board, and they are so bent on being "right" that they bombard the losing day threads to tell everyone about it, but tend to stay away from the winning day threads because they can't whine and say "I told you so" after a win.

I also think it has something to do with the Bush trolls (one in particular) who feel the need to post stuff about Bush in every Texan thread, which of course causes about 10 posters to reply to them (him). Multiply that by 5 or 6 Bush posts, and you have a game thread out of control.

[Major]

I think there's more to it than that.

I think there is a HUGE "we should have drafted Bush/Vince" contingency on this board, and they are so bent on being "right" that they bombard the losing day threads to tell everyone about it, but tend to stay away from the winning day threads because they can't whine and say "I told you so" after a win.

Or it could be that there's nothing to argue. When the Texans do well, no one (supporters or detractors) are bickering. When the Texans lose, the detractors post, the supporters respond, and it goes back and forth forever and ever.

It has nothing do with there being more people on one side or the other. It's that there's nothing to disagree on. If everyone were a detractor, there wouldn't be many posts either.

[DaDakota]

I don't think people want to bash them, I think it is more about people venting, and then others attacking the vent causing an argument.

Not much anyone can say after WOOOHOOO !!

DD

[ima_drummer2k]

I don't think people want to bash them, I think it is more about people venting, and then others attacking the vent causing an argument.

Not much anyone can say after WOOOHOOO !!

DD

The 'bashers' could at least give credit where credit is due, like some (including you) have done.

[DaDakota]

The 'bashers' could at least give credit where credit is due, like some (including you) have done.

I am just a realist, if I think they are playing poorly I say it, if I think they are playing well, I give credit there too.

It is a young team, and new coaching staff, they are still feeling there way....

I still would have taken VY, BUT.....I like what I see from Carr a LOT....and that is a big turn around from what I thought before this year.

DD

[TMac#1]

I guess a lot of it is because of the draft, but honestly, it is looking more and more like the Texans were actually right. ESPN can hype Bush all they want, but the reality is that Bush has done absolutely nothing so far, outside of a punt return, and Vince is probably gonna turn out great, but the way Carr is playing, we have a potential probowl QB here, and Mario W is really improving every week and you can start to see why he was the #1 pick.

Its gonna take a while for the fans to come back after a 2-14 season. This team lost a huge part of its fan base after the debacle last yr and then the draft. I also think the success of the Astros the past 2 yrs combined hurt the fan base as well. The beginning of the 04 and 05 Texans seasons came at the same time when the Astros captured this town's interest and heart with two pennant runs, now I think this is a baseball town and the Texans are gonna have to show a lot of improvement to get fans back and for them to start praising them. Today's game was a good start, a game you could really be proud of them for.

[msn]

Jeff, I think a large %age of the posts on the high post-count "loss" threads is folks arguing against the bashers. Not that that's any better than negativity (being quite guilty myself), but I think that's a big part of it.

[ac in austin]

If you think the negativity is bad here you should check out a Longhorn board. Nothing is good enough over there.

[Uprising]

It's cause there are so many people wanting to jump on David Carr and say how much he sucks. Then there are the others who jump in to talk about their man crushes on the other draft picks. And then the ones who just despise the team because it's not named Oilers and they will never be happy with them.

But yeah....that was all obvious....so this post is pretty pointless.

Oh well, great win today. :)

[The Real Shady]

The problem with Carr is AJ bailed him out on that terrible throw into double coverage. That should have been a pick, but AJ's greatness saved him.

How long will Carr's lucky streak last? Not very IMO.

:p

[JeopardE]

I think Jeff is absolutely right. For some reason people don't come out to say good things about the Texans when they do something right, but the haters are here in force after every loss. And I don't believe it's just about venting either ... my natural inclination as a fan is to come to the BBS and read/gloat after a win, and in fact the excessive negativity and venom that fills these parts makes me want to stay away at other times. You know it's true when someone starts a "David Carr should be traded" thread after his first bad game of the season despite a string of four straight top-notch performances (and that thread is now whopping 16 pages long already). You know it's true when you can't even state the fact that David is one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL this season without having to defend yourself vigorously even though the facts clearly show it. Posters like jgreen91 are the champions of hatred -- somehow finding a way to bash the team even after a 27-7 blowout win that showed no weaknesses on any side of the ball. Ugh.

Let me get this straight -- we just defeated our top rival in the NFL. By a 20 point margin. Our defense forced two turnovers (when last did that happen?). Carr threw a hail-mary 35 yard pass to AJ for a touchdown. We actually had a running game, and Wali Lundy nearly broke the 100 yard mark for the game despite not starting. And here's something that hasn't even been mentioned in the game thread: *For the first time in history*, we won back-to-back games at home. And guess what, this place is absolutely lethargic.

GARM is the exact opposite. Thronged with posters when we're winning, a smattering of clueless haters when we're losing. True fairweather fanship.

[A-Train]

Jeff, you do know this is a ROCKETS board, right? This forum just adopts the character of GARM. Hell, isn't it human nature to be more pessimistic and cynical about life?

NOBODY likes that jerkass at work that is always smiling and happy...

[emjohn]

I think there's more to it than that.

I think there is a HUGE "we should have drafted Bush/Vince" contingency on this board, and they are so bent on being "right" that they bombard the losing day threads to tell everyone about it, but tend to stay away from the winning day threads because they can't whine and say "I told you so" after a win.

I also think it has something to do with the Bush trolls (one in particular) who feel the need to post stuff about Bush in every Texan thread, which of course causes about 10 posters to reply to them (him). Multiply that by 5 or 6 Bush posts, and you have a game thread out of control.
I think this is the majority of it, plus the internet culture of people trying to prove how smart they are by pointing out everything that's wrong. Everyone's a critic on the boards, and as it's already been posted, there's not much to pick apart when Carr throws two TDs/no INTs, Lundy breaks off a respectable chunk on the ground (more than Bush's 30 yds/game!!!), the defense allows only a single score and generates turnovers, etc.

The most you get are a couple of major TUTA types that grumble about us getting lucky and the Jags not showing up.

Evan

[DonnyMost]

It's a lot easier to bash something than it is to praise it.

Besides, about 80% of this BBS has in writing that they hate the Texans, think David Carr sucks, and think we would be undefeated right now if we had drafted Bush or Young.

So they're just looking to cover their asses.

[hatemavs4life]

For a while now, I've believed that "fans" are more interested in blasting teams when they lose than they are in praising them when they win. Maybe this is due to the people who don't like the team showing up only for losses and those that like the team showing up regardless. I don't know. But, the fact is that negative calls to talk radio, posts on the BBS, etc. are more prevalent than positive posts. Need some anecdotal evidence?

Just look at the "Official" Texans threads this season.

Winning Threads:

Jags - 177 total posts
Dolphins - 275 total posts

Losing Threads:

Cowboys - 568
Redskins - 446
Colts - 408
Eagles - 395

Note that the number increased one loss to the next while the two winning games have decreased. To me (and I could be wrong), that is indicative of fans who love the team beginning to lose interest because of the losses while haters are growing increasingly more interested in slamming the team.

The reality is that the team is more popular - at least in terms of discussion - when they suck. When they win, no one seems to care.


I would say for my take is ...

The Texans need to establish some consistency. Yesterday's win was a good, quality win. Whether I like J-Ville or not they're a pretty tough team. They're banged up and what not but the Texans took the game to them from what I saw with the highlights and reading the Chronicle this morning.

Also, first game that the Texans played 60 solid minutes of football together. That helps. I think most people on here want to see the Texans do good and win but alot of us also up until yesterday saw a team that was not competing competently as an NFL team.

Lets see the Texans take at least 2 of the next 3 games on the road and then we'll know a little better about how much they will improve this year. :D

For the record, I said in an earlier post that the Texans will get better and we needed to give to midseason which would be two weeks from now vs the Giants. Kuby is going to make a difference just give him a little slack. We may have started to see this team come close to turning the corner but not turning the corner yet IMO.

Bottom line, way to get a win you absolutely needed to get for many reasons, Texans. Good job. Now lets build on it! :)

[mr_gootan]

How else are we supposed to show our loved ones that we really do care? More beatings mean more love.

signed,

Battle redneck fan

[hatemavs4life]

The problem with Carr is AJ bailed him out on that terrible throw into double coverage. That should have been a pick, but AJ's greatness saved him.

How long will Carr's lucky streak last? Not very IMO.

:p

In all honesty, this however crazy it may seem to be, seems to be the new M.O. to getting big plays down the field for Angry Dre. Just throw it up there and let AJ catch it. When you're 6-3 you can do that especially with his athleticism.

[rrj_gamz]

True, True...I guess we like to vent our frustrations more than praises...Then we try to argue with each other to see who can talk crap the best...

[The Real Shady]

In all honesty, this however crazy it may seem to be, seems to be the new M.O. to getting big plays down the field for Angry Dre. Just throw it up there and let AJ catch it. When you're 6-3 you can do that especially with his athleticism.

Yeah, I agree. You're supposed to make those type of throws to the more talented and taller receivers in the league like T. Owens and Moss. I would like to see the Texans go with at least one jump ball to AJ per game. If it gets picked then so be it, but I'll take my chances with Andre winning the battle.

[JamesC]

I've bashed the Texans myself even though their my team. Yesterday was a hell of a game and I hope that as Kubiak and Rick Smith continue to build the team and we'll continue to see more games like this from the team in the future.

[mrdave543]

they still suck

[msn]

they still suck
Yes, they do. That said, yesterday was encouraging. You have to start *somewhere* if you're going to emerge from your sucktitude.

[rhino17]

Personally I do not mind bashing the Texans because I am not really a fan of them. The only team I really care if they beat is dallas.


GO BRONCOS!!!

[mrdave543]

Yes, they do. That said, yesterday was encouraging. You have to start *somewhere* if you're going to emerge from your sucktitude.


i can agree with that, im a titans fan and just have never been able to get into the texans, all the losses havent helped!

[Nick]

i can agree with that, im a titans fan and just have never been able to get into the texans, all the losses havent helped!

If your interest in teams is determined by losses... how are u still a Titans fan? ;)

Seriously, though, why would anybody be a Texans fan, unless they were from Houston, loved the NFL, and supported the home-teams regardless? I don't see some guy in Arkansas or Nebraska who's looking to follow a team, getting enamored by Carr getting sacked every other play from 2002-2005.

For those sticking it out... the success tastes much sweeter once you've tasted the scum of sucktitude.

[msn]

the success tastes much sweeter once you've tasted the scum of sucktitude.
Signed,

Astros fans
October 20, 2005

:D

[macalu]

For those sticking it out... the success tastes much sweeter once you've tasted the scum of sucktitude.
yep. like i once said, you can't fully appreciate Clutch City unless you've experienced Choke City.

[MiniMing]

Good eye.

Im just pissed that Reggie Bush had a bye week because I wanted to compare his rushing numbers today to Lundy's. But, I proceeded to check Bush's rushing numbers combined over his last 3 games and realized that Lundy still rushed for about 20 more yards and had 1 more rushing TD...so I smiled and took a nap.

Reggie is top ten in the league in receptions, and also returned a punt to win the game..

There is no comparison.

[yobod]

Reggie is top ten in the league in receptions, and also returned a punt to win the game..

There is no comparison.

Yeah Reggie is top 10 in receptions but what has he done with those receptions compared to the others in the top 10 in receptions?

Rank Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long
1 Andre Johnson HOU 47 591 12.6 3 53
2 Anquan Boldin ARI 44 561 12.8 3 49
3 Laveranues Coles NYJ 42 566 13.5 3 58
4 Marvin Harrison IND 39 515 13.2 3 38
5 Wes Welker MIA 39 393 10.1 0 31
6 Steve Smith CAR 39 576 14.8 2 72
7 Roy Williams DET 38 581 15.3 3 42
8 Reggie Bush NO 38 285 7.5 0 32
9 Lee Evans BUF 37 430 11.6 1 27
10 Mike Furrey DET 37 431 11.6 3 25

[Icehouse]

Yeah Reggie is top 10 in receptions but what has he done with those receptions compared to the others in the top 10 in receptions?

Rank Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long
1 Andre Johnson HOU 47 591 12.6 3 53
2 Anquan Boldin ARI 44 561 12.8 3 49
3 Laveranues Coles NYJ 42 566 13.5 3 58
4 Marvin Harrison IND 39 515 13.2 3 38
5 Wes Welker MIA 39 393 10.1 0 31
6 Steve Smith CAR 39 576 14.8 2 72
7 Roy Williams DET 38 581 15.3 3 42
8 Reggie Bush NO 38 285 7.5 0 32
9 Lee Evans BUF 37 430 11.6 1 27
10 Mike Furrey DET 37 431 11.6 3 25

Translation: They have thrown to him a lot and the "gamebreaker" hasn't done much with his opportunities.

Anaylsis: He sucks at running the ball so they have to throw to him a lot to give him a chance to make an impact.

JGreen excuse in 3, 2, 1.....

[Aceshigh7]

After the way the Texans botched the draft, they deserve to be bashed. Nuff said.

[macalu]

After the way the Texans botched the draft, they deserve to be bashed. Nuff said.
quit hatin', fish.

[msn]

After the way the Texans botched the draft, they deserve to be bashed. Nuff said.
Check back in two or three years. One side or the other will be eating crow, or perhaps it will be rather anticlimactic.

At any rate, it's ridiculously early to say, "they botched the draft" unless one is utter closed-minded on the "take the best player available" maxim. If that's the case, then the top three teams probably will *all* have "botched it" once we have the luxury of hindsight.

We didn't a WR. They drafted according to need, and they drafted for the long-term rather than the short term. We shall see if it works or if it backfires in their faces and is an embarrassment to the franchise for years to come. But, it's way too freaking early to tell right now.

[leebigez]

I'm a Titans fans and also Texans fan. I do agree people are quick to point out the negatives. Texans played well and i still like the idea of Wali vs Bush and especially Dayne who cant get through the hole. Mario will never live up to the media comparison which really sux, but i dont care about that. As long as he keeeps getting better and the defense does also. I do like Vince Young alot, but its cool.

[Mr. Brightside]

Well part of it is during the game posts are less when we are winning..cause people are actually watching the game instead of posting.



I agree when the Texans are winning, I'm in the streets celebrating, shooting my gun in the air, and launching bottle rockets. No time for the BBS then.

[rocketfan83]

Yesterdays game wasnt on in West Texas. I'm guessing it wasnt on in the Dallas area that knocks out alot of us from seeing the game.

Hard to get into a game that you can't see.

The first coupe games were on TV statewide I believe.

I do agree that people do like to complain more than praise but I think it not being on TV is a big reason why the game thread was rather empty this week.

Atleast for me

[jev5555]

The problem with Carr is AJ bailed him out on that terrible throw into double coverage. That should have been a pick, but AJ's greatness saved him.

How long will Carr's lucky streak last? Not very IMO.

:p

STFU...That was a hell of a throw. Put in a spot where only AJ could go up and get it. They get paid millions to make throws and catches like that and occasionally you have to throw into tough coverage. All the good qb's do at some point take a shot like that. Go suck your Dallas Cowgirls right breast and get off my board.

[lcc179]

And there has only been 2 posts in the "[Official] Everything Mario Williams" since yesterday's game where he played decent as opposed to the hundreds of posts after the 1st couple of games where Mario sucked.

[JunkyardDwg]

And there has only been 2 posts in the "[Official] Everything Mario Williams" since yesterday's game where he played decent as opposed to the hundreds of posts after the 1st couple of games where Mario sucked.

Maybe everybody is busy eatin a little crow...you know now that Mario is starting to improve.

Especially since Lundy and the running game showed up and Bush had an off-week.

[rezdawg]

Bush had an off-week.

What's new? ;)

[Kam]

what took so damn long to get lundy in?

[swilkins]

Misery loves company.

[Nick]

what took so damn long to get lundy in?

He's a rookie that looked so overwhelmed in the first two games... that the club traded Morency for Gado in a heartbeat, because Gado was a more proven back.

The running game wasn't the problem against Washington (the defense was), and it was tolerable when we played Miami.

It was the new level of "running futility" that the Texans showed against Dallas that gave Lundy a second chance... and he made the most of it.

[sums41]

i'm actaully not into football that much, i watch the ocational Texans game, but how can a team be "praised" with a record such as the one they have. personally, i like to praise local teams with winning records... like the Dynamo.

[slowmustang]

i'm actaully not into football that much, i watch the ocational Texans game, but how can a team be "praised" with a record such as the one they have. personally, i like to praise local teams with winning records... like the Dynamo.


So at least youre admitting to being a BANDWAGON fan.

[sums41]

So at least youre admitting to being a BANDWAGON fan.


actually, i'm a big soccer fan, and the Dynamo are like the only thing we got close to real pro soccer, so i root for them regardless.. but it's a plus that they're a winning team, it's just that i don't care for football that much.

/as far as bandwagon fan, as soon as i found out that the houston football team was going to be called "Texans".. i sprained an ankle jumping out of the bandwagon so fast. lol

[rhino17]

/as far as bandwagon fan, as soon as i found out that the houston football team was going to be called "Texans".. i sprained an ankle jumping out of the bandwagon so fast. lol

Same here

[macalu]

actually, i'm a big soccer fan, and the Dynamo are like the only thing we got close to real pro soccer, so i root for them regardless.. but it's a plus that they're a winning team, it's just that i don't care for football that much.

/as far as bandwagon fan, as soon as i found out that the houston football team was going to be called "Texans".. i sprained an ankle jumping out of the bandwagon so fast. lol
so how could you support the Dynamo regardless of whether they win or lose when you said in the earlier post "how can a team be "praised" with a record such as the one (the TExans) they have. personally, i like to praise local teams with winning records...like the Dynamo"? when they lose, you automatically jump off right?

you jumped off the bandwagon b/c they're named the Texans, yet I bet you didn't mind the name 1836's (yea, that is so much better than the Texans) as long as you had a soccer team. :rolleyes:

[sums41]

so how could you support the Dynamo regardless of whether they win or lose when you said in the earlier post "how can a team be "praised" with a record such as the one (the TExans) they have. personally, i like to praise local teams with winning records...like the Dynamo"? when they lose, you automatically jump off right?

you jumped off the bandwagon b/c they're named the Texans, yet I bet you didn't mind the name 1836's (yea, that is so much better than the Texans) as long as you had a soccer team. :rolleyes:


yeah... i said i "root" for the dynamo, win or lose, but i won't "praise" them when they're sucking, any dynamo fan knows that the dynamo are the "kings of tied games"... i hate that cuz most of those tied games are wins till like the last minute, then the other team score. it's the dynamos fault when they score on them, most of the time it's cuz of silly mistakes. so while i'll still root for them, i won't praise them.

oh and the name, i don't like the Dynamo name but i think it's better than the Texans, at least they came up with something a little (not much) clever, but the Texans?? woah! and btw, when the dynamo did the "vote for the name" campaing, i voted 1836 and it sucked how they changed the name.

[sums41]

so how could you support the Dynamo regardless of whether they win or lose when you said in the earlier post "how can a team be "praised" with a record such as the one (the TExans) they have. personally, i like to praise local teams with winning records...like the Dynamo"? when they lose, you automatically jump off right?

you jumped off the bandwagon b/c they're named the Texans, yet I bet you didn't mind the name 1836's (yea, that is so much better than the Texans) as long as you had a soccer team. :rolleyes:

oh i just checked.. i said "praise" on one reply and "root" on another, ya i'm pretty much a dumbass! lol

[Happy187]

We dont look so bad so far if you look at the division standings.

Indianapolis 3 W 0L
Jacksonville 0 W 2L
Houston 1W 1L
Tennessee 0W 1L

I looked at a power ranking and we were not even one of the worst five teams.
6 teams have worst record than our team.
We have the same ovberall record as the defending super bowl champ, Pittsburgh Steelers 2W 4L

Yeah I seen some of our games that we lost and the Texans do look bad, and did not seem to be close, but the season isn't over and we already matched the win total from last year. I think they showed lots of improvement from last year. Call me a Hometownist but I always root for the Home team. I was so pissed the Oilers moved to Tennessee, dispite the fact they followed me there when I went there for my first army duty station (in KY but close enuff). Yeah didnt care much for the name of the Texans but I call them my team. And no matter how the UH Cougars do, I root for them too.

Go Texans!, Rockets!, Astros!, Comets!, Cougars!, Aeros! and Dynamo!

[macalu]

yeah... i said i "root" for the dynamo, win or lose, but i won't "praise" them when they're sucking, any dynamo fan knows that the dynamo are the "kings of tied games"... i hate that cuz most of those tied games are wins till like the last minute, then the other team score. it's the dynamos fault when they score on them, most of the time it's cuz of silly mistakes. so while i'll still root for them, i won't praise them.

oh and the name, i don't like the Dynamo name but i think it's better than the Texans, at least they came up with something a little (not much) clever, but the Texans?? woah! and btw, when the dynamo did the "vote for the name" campaing, i voted 1836 and it sucked how they changed the name.
when you see your team do something they haven't done most of the year, which is play a game for 60 minutes and force turnovers, it's not hard to "praise" them. actually it's not praise, i think it's more of acknowledgement. give them credit for what they did. like i said before, no one thinks the Texans are turning the corner that they'd compete for a P/O spot. if we see some improvement from the previous weeks, it makes us happy. we "root" for them to win.

and you just proved my point about a "dumbass" (i never called you a dumbass, i was pointing out the irony of your statement) fan, based solely on a team's name. you're not a fan of the Texans just b/c they're named the Texans? :rolleyes: but, you voted for the soccer team to be named 1836ers, which if not worse, is equally as "dumb".

[msn]

and you just proved my point about a "dumbass" (i never called you a dumbass, i was pointing out the irony of your statement) fan, based solely on a team's name. you're not a fan of the Texans just b/c they're named the Texans? :rolleyes: but, you voted for the soccer team to be named 1836ers, which if not worse, is equally as "dumb".
All that crap is far too subjective to prove anything. A lot of people didn't think "1836" was dumb. Are they "dumbasses" because they don't share your tastes? See, neither of you are "right" about that--it's just too subjective.

For an example, we can argue over whether DC's hair looks ridiculously sissified and girlish, and that would be subjective--it's all about taste. But arguing about whether he's improved can be an objective discussion--one has only to look at the numbers.

[macalu]

All that crap is far too subjective to prove anything. A lot of people didn't think "1836" was dumb. Are they "dumbasses" because they don't share your tastes? See, neither of you are "right" about that--it's just too subjective.

For an example, we can argue over whether DC's hair looks ridiculously sissified and girlish, and that would be subjective--it's all about taste. But arguing about whether he's improved can be an objective discussion--one has only to look at the numbers.
um, that was my point. sure, you can think the team's name is dumb. but how can you justify whether you're a fan of the team or not, soley b/c of their name?

[msn]

um, that was my point. sure, you can think the team's name is dumb. but how can you justify whether you're a fan of the team or not, soley b/c of their name?
If someone has only a passing interest in football, perhaps a mascot, name or logo is enough to gain some interest or spurn what was left.

[macalu]

If someone has only a passing interest in football, perhaps a mascot, name or logo is enough to gain some interest or spurn what was left.
i guess. he's a soccer fan so I'll let it slide. :p

[Groogrux]

Wow, this thread seems so applicable today.

Everyone just jumped on the chance to bash Carr. Where were all the haters last week?

BTW, Super Duper Sage still isn't starting next week. Poor haters.

[Summer Song Giver]

Wow, this thread seems so applicable today.

Everyone just jumped on the chance to bash Carr. Where were all the haters last week?

BTW, Super Duper Sage still isn't starting next week. Poor haters.

I don't care who starts, I just want to win and Sage gives us a better chance to win, the Texans got lucky in Jax, they ran into an injured QB and a Jags team that thought just by showing up they could win, they dropped passes and missed plays defensively all game long and the Texans took what was handed to them, kindof like what the Texans did in the first half yesterday.

[Groogrux]

I don't care who starts, I just want to win and Sage gives us a better chance to win, the Texans got lucky in Jax, they ran into an injured QB and a Jags team that thought just by showing up they could win, they dropped passes and missed plays defensively all game long and the Texans took what was handed to them, kindof like what the Texans did in the first half yesterday.

So, none of that was due to Carr. It was all the Jags D fault. :rolleyes:

He can't win with you haters. Go ahead and sport your gear for next week. We all know who ya'll will be rooting for...

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l94/giff420/NFL_New_York_Giants.jpg

The lack of responses by the haters after last week is Exhibit A.

[Summer Song Giver]

The lack of responses by the haters after last week is Exhibit A.

Yeah, I took the bait and i'll probably take it again next time DC decides not to play like a complete punk bitch but enough is enough, he's a number one overall pick who has yet to put it together for any substantial period, and no I don't put much credence in QB rating when most of that consists of dump offs to your backs, three yard curl routes to TEs or lofting it up to perhaps the most physically gifted wideout in the league. I want a QB who leads his team to victory, Sage would have yesterday.

[Groogrux]

Sage would have yesterday.

That's why Sage is a career backup, huh?

[Summer Song Giver]

That's why Sage is a career backup, huh?

Who cares I am not calling Sage Joe Montana. Just that he would have won the game and is possibly a better option than DC

[Saint Louis]

The Texans are doing an excellent job of getting fans back into the old bashing the team mode, just like the good old days when the home team wore columbia blue.

[updawg]

since when is a fan "bad" for wanting a change at a position?

[Groogrux]

since when is a fan "bad" for wanting a change at a position?

When they don't show up to give deserved props after a good game, which is the entire point of this thread.

[updawg]

awesome. All the Texans are winners in my book. Yea team! :D

[pgabriel]

its so rare that they do good that fans don't how to give them praise. this is so far one of the worst if not the worst expansion franchise in nfl history, including the lowly bucs, and some of you guys want to complain about fan complaining?

[Groogrux]

its so rare that they do good that fans don't how to give them praise. this is so far one of the worst if not the worst expansion franchise in nfl history, including the lowly bucs, and some of you guys want to complain about fan complaining?

It's not the complaining that we're complaining about. It's the lack of praise when the team does something. Just like the Bush lovers disappear when he has a bad game and Mario has a good one.

[updawg]

It's not the complaining that we're complaining about. It's the lack of praise when the team does something. Just like the Bush lovers disappear when he has a bad game and Mario has a good one.

I think most people expect them to be doing what they did last week, on a more consistent basis by now. Are we supposed to give them a cookie every time they do good - or even better - win a game?
We expect them to, if not go root for the cubs or Az Cardinals.

[Groogrux]

I think most people expect them to be doing what they did last week, on a more consistent basis by now. Are we supposed to give them a cookie every time they do good - or even better - win a game?
We expect them to, if not go root for the cubs or Az Cardinals.

I think most people expected the Arizona Cardinals to be better than the Texans this season. If you had playoff aspirations for this team, you have absurd standards.

[Rokkit]

I think most people expected the Arizona Cardinals to be better than the Texans this season. If you had playoff aspirations for this team, you have absurd standards.

I think people are just tired of having to have sh*tty standards when it comes to the team.

[Groogrux]

I think people are just tired of having to have sh*tty standards when it comes to the team.

I'm just as tired as everyone else. But I'm not going to pick the guy who's had a pretty good year as the scapegoat just because he's the QB.

[Rokkit]

I'm just as tired as everyone else. But I'm not going to pick the guy who's had a pretty good year as the scapegoat just because he's the QB.

I'm not so sure he's a scapegoat.

I don't think most people would feel too bad with scrapping just about anyone on the team responsible for this mess. That should include Carr.

I think the people who want to put all the blame on him and only him are just as bad as the people who seem to think he is untouchable.

I've got no problem making major changes to this team. QB would qualify as a major change.

[jgreen91]

Wow, this thread seems so applicable today.

Everyone just jumped on the chance to bash Carr. Where were all the haters last week?

BTW, Super Duper Sage still isn't starting next week. Poor haters.

I jumped on them last week. I said Carr got bailed out when he threw into double coverage and AJ jumped up and caught the ball in the end zone. I wasn't impressed with the win over Jacksonville, and I was attacked by you guys for stating so. Jacksonville didn't show up and Leftwich was playing injured. Jacksonville did however show up yesterday and they shut down the high powered eagles offense. I guess the Texans and Carr have a better offense then Mcnabb and the eagles, right?

[MadMax]

When they don't show up to give deserved props after a good game, which is the entire point of this thread.

HEY!!! I WAS OUT OF TOWN!!!! :D

i was excited when i saw what they did vs. j-ville.

[CaseyH]

How can you compare it to when they "win"?

They have never had a winning season. Only have won 20 games over 5 years. Let them have a few winning seasons then go to counting threads.

[sammy]

I jumped on them last week. I said Carr got bailed out when he threw into double coverage and AJ jumped up and caught the ball in the end zone. I wasn't impressed with the win over Jacksonville, and I was attacked by you guys for stating so. Jacksonville didn't show up and Leftwich was playing injured. Jacksonville did however show up yesterday and they shut down the high powered eagles offense. I guess the Texans and Carr have a better offense then Mcnabb and the eagles, right?


Are you impressed with Reggie Bush's play so far??

[jgreen91]

Are you impressed with Reggie Bush's play so far??

Yes. I'm impressed by the way he has come in and get himself involved in the offense as a receiver even though they have a top 5 starting running back in Deuce. I'm impressed that Reggie isn't just sitting on the sidelines as a backup running back. He's good enough to get involved one way or another. I'm impressed with his punt returning. I'm impressed that his team, which was projected to be really bad this year is 5-2.

I took the bait, but this thread isn't about Reggie Bush, so grow up and stop taunting me and stick to the topic at hand.

[sammy]

Yes. I'm impressed by the way he has come in and get himself involved in the offense as a receiver even though they have a top 5 starting running back in Deuce. I'm impressed that Reggie isn't just sitting on the sidelines as a backup running back. He's good enough to get involved one way or another. I'm impressed with his punt returning. I'm impressed that his team, which was projected to be really bad this year is 5-2.

I took the bait, but this thread isn't about Reggie Bush, so grow up and stop taunting me and stick to the topic at hand.

Im impressed about how great of a sugarcoater you are. If your impressed with Bush, you really should be impressed with Lundy who now has more rushing yards with less carries. :)