View Full Version : [NLCS] Cards vs. Mets - Who are you rooting for?
Roxfan73
10-09-2006, 10:00 PM
While most Houston fans hate the Mets and despise the Cardinals, who is the lesser of two evils here? I am torn between bitter memories of '86, and the more recent set of heartbreaks delivered by Albert & friends.
The Cat
10-09-2006, 10:06 PM
I hate them both, but I'm cheering for the Cardinals.
Two reasons.
1.) Carlos Beltran
2.) I might actually get to go to a World Series game if St. Louis makes it. I'd cheer against them, of course, but I'd love to get the opportunity to go to a World Series game... haven't yet in my lifetime.
Mr. Mooch
10-09-2006, 10:29 PM
Where is the "It doesn't matter, Detroit/Oakland will destroy them in a 4-game WS sweep" option?
And The Mets will beat St. Louis.
rodrick_98
10-09-2006, 10:31 PM
i hate the cards, but atleast the astro killer puljos isn't cocky about it. i hate the mets and their yankee wanna be team. but i agree both teams will be done in 4 or 5.
surrender
10-09-2006, 10:38 PM
Cards. F Beltran
Nice Rollin
10-09-2006, 10:50 PM
mets.......sorry, always been a mets fan. i'll still admit that beltran did the astros wrong by actually acting like he was interested...if he didnt do that, i'd defend him.
lets go mets....
benny agbayani is my all time favorite player. i love the mets
FlyerFanatic
10-09-2006, 10:51 PM
Mets, who cares about Beltran?...oh wait I'm not an Astros fan :D
They both suck . . . Detroit Baby!
DieHard Rocket
10-09-2006, 11:09 PM
I hate the Cardinals and dislike the Mets ... so I picked the Mets. I've gotten over Beltran for the most part, so it wouldn't be too hard to see him get to the world series. Either of these teams will lose in the WS though.
Saint Louis
10-09-2006, 11:27 PM
I'd rather see the Cards in the series then the stinking New York Mets and that motherf****er Beltran.
I think a Detroit/STL World Series would be epic just so it pisses off the media. I can imagine the talk on ESPN would not focus on the series but whether Joe Torre prefers Pepsi or Coke and whether "The Boss" is off pulling the wings off of dragonflys.
rodrick_98
10-10-2006, 12:06 AM
I think a Detroit/STL World Series would be epic just so it pisses off the media.
much like houston/chicago last year.... this case really would make for low ratings where it "matters"
i can't root for the cardinals unless they're playing the cubs, so i voted mets. i'd like for neither of them to get to the world series, but i've gotten over beltran and really have no reason to dislike the mets other than they're not the astros.
Nice Rollin
10-10-2006, 12:30 AM
yes. its 10 to 10
LETS GO METS! LETS GO METS!
Yaozer
10-10-2006, 07:28 AM
This is like asking me if the Rox don't make the playoffs, who do I go for?
I hope they all lose and die :D
RocketMan Tex
10-10-2006, 07:32 AM
Satan vs. Lucifer?
I'm rooting for a 8.0 earthquake underneath the parking lot at Shea Stadium.
It matters not....whoever wins the A's-Tigers series will destroy the NL champ. Rooting for Deeeeeetroit in that series. Jimmy Leyland is the reincarnation of John McGraw. I like stuff like that.
Rocketman95
10-10-2006, 07:39 AM
I'm rooting for a 8.0 earthquake underneath the parking lot at Shea Stadium.
We're rooting for the same thing.
And whoever says Pujols isn't cocky hasn't watched Pujols.
Roxfan73
10-10-2006, 07:43 AM
Satan vs. Lucifer?
I'm rooting for a 8.0 earthquake underneath the parking lot at Shea Stadium.
It matters not....whoever wins the A's-Tigers series will destroy the NL champ. Rooting for Deeeeeetroit in that series. Jimmy Leyland is the reincarnation of John McGraw. I like stuff like that.
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. :D
RocketMan Tex
10-10-2006, 08:14 AM
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. :D
My pleasure.... :cool: :)
Sishir Chang
10-10-2006, 08:27 AM
I'm still rooting for a Twins Stros series...
TMac#1
10-10-2006, 08:43 AM
I hate both the Mets and Cards, but I can't root for stL, just can't. either one, I think will get beat by the Tigers.
MR. MEOWGI
10-10-2006, 08:44 AM
We're rooting for the same thing.
And whoever says Pujols isn't cocky hasn't watched Pujols.
Uh, I would be cocky if I was him.
Xerobull
10-10-2006, 08:47 AM
I voted neither, but if I had to choose one, it would be the Cards. Screw Beltran and the Mercs.
thegary
10-10-2006, 09:44 AM
i hate hate hate hate st. louis.
... and while i'm not a mets fan per se, i do live in the city and don't hate them. in other words GO AMAZIN"S
Buck Turgidson
10-10-2006, 10:01 AM
We're rooting for the same thing.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no NLCS this year.
And whoever says Pujols isn't cocky hasn't watched Pujols.
His last homerun was what, 3 days ago? I'm pretty sure he's still standing in the batter's box watching it.
FranchiseBlade
10-10-2006, 10:07 AM
I don't actually hate the Cards. They are a great rival, and I feel a great need to beat them more than other teams. But they aren't the extra annoying type of guys like were on the Whitesox, or anything. They are just a good clean rival.
Since we aren't competing against them I don't have a problem pulling for them over the Mets who I do hate.
lalala902102001
10-10-2006, 12:27 PM
Whoever wins the NL Championship will likely be swept in the WS. So yeah go Cards.
candycane
10-10-2006, 12:55 PM
Go CARDS!!!!
rrj_gamz
10-10-2006, 01:31 PM
I had a feeling the Cards would be here...F the Cards...
RocketManJosh
10-10-2006, 01:38 PM
Absolutely hate them both, but would rather the Cards win if I absolutely had to choose, but that is mainly because my hatred for Beltran far exceeds my hatred for Pujols.
I probably won't watch a single NLCS game this year because I can't root for anyone. I'll intently watch the World Series where hopefully Oakland or Detroit will dominate and send the NBA into focus as early as possible.
Mr. Brightside
10-10-2006, 01:38 PM
And whoever says Pujols isn't cocky hasn't watched Pujols.
I'm pretty sure if we were Pujols, we would be cocky too.
MadMax
10-10-2006, 02:41 PM
I'm pretty sure if we were Pujols, we would be cocky too.
Lance can mash...he puts his head down and trots the bases. Bagwell did the same. So did Hank Aaron.
Pujols needs to get plunked immediately.
Saint Louis
10-10-2006, 02:44 PM
Lance can mash...he puts his head down and trots the bases. Bagwell did the same. So did Hank Aaron.
Pujols needs to get plunked immediately.
Shall we start a collection to pay the fine for the Astros pitcher that sends him the message?
weslinder
10-10-2006, 02:45 PM
I don't hate the Cards. Their fans are great, their team is mostly classy, and they are a great rival. As an Astros fan, I'd rather beat the Cards in the NLCS than them miss the playoffs. Muck the Fets!
Buck Turgidson
10-10-2006, 02:49 PM
Lance can mash...he puts his head down and trots the bases. Bagwell did the same. So did Hank Aaron.
Pujols needs to get plunked immediately.
I'm imagining Ausmus going Crash Davis & chasing him down the 1B line..."Run! you asshole".
Wouldn't mind one in his ribs, either.
astroagg
10-10-2006, 03:07 PM
1986 cemented my hate for the Mets.
Go Cards!
MadMax
10-10-2006, 03:12 PM
1986 cemented my hate for the Mets.
Go Cards!
agreed.
but finishing 1st and 2nd with the cards for the past 10 years, except 2000, and freaking Edmonds' catch in 2004 cement my hate for the cardinals too.
Buck Turgidson
10-10-2006, 03:15 PM
agreed.
but finishing 1st and 2nd with the cards for the past 10 years, except 2000, and freaking Edmonds' catch in 2004 cement my hate for the cardinals too.
Right. It's like rooting for Plague vs. Pestilence.
MadMax
10-10-2006, 03:17 PM
Right. It's like rooting for Plague vs. Pestilence.
i know. you're right...i probably won't watch much at all. which sucks, because i hold on to post-season baseball, knowing i won't see baseball again for a while.
astroagg
10-10-2006, 03:19 PM
I won't disagree with either of you.
Buck Turgidson
10-10-2006, 03:23 PM
i know. you're right...i probably won't watch much at all. which sucks, because i hold on to post-season baseball, knowing i won't see baseball again for a while.
I'm all about the ALCS. Should be great baseball.
Buck Turgidson
10-10-2006, 03:24 PM
i probably won't watch much at all.
I'm excited about the ALCS, should be good baseball.
MadMax
10-10-2006, 03:27 PM
I'm excited about the ALCS, should be good baseball.
Yeah, me too. Pulling for the Tigers??
thegary
10-10-2006, 03:30 PM
damn guys, i'm upset the 'stros didn't make it as well but you are letting hate get in the way of enjoying the great game of baseball. just take a deep breath and let it go. :)
MadMax
10-10-2006, 03:33 PM
damn guys, i'm upset the 'stros didn't make it as well but you are letting hate get in the way of enjoying the great game of baseball. just take a deep breath and let it go. :)
dude, it's the mets and the cards.
Buck Turgidson
10-10-2006, 03:34 PM
damn guys, i'm upset the 'stros didn't make it as well but you are letting hate get in the way of enjoying the great game of baseball. just take a deep breath and let it go. :)
The Colonel: All that hate's gonna burn you up, kid.
Robert: It keeps me warm.
I'm not expecting the NLCS to be very good playoff baseball, as both teams have pretty significant flaws. Both the NLDS series were damn near unwatchable.
Both AL teams are much more well-rounded. Geaux Tigers!
thegary
10-10-2006, 03:40 PM
just trying to help :p
the mets starting pitching is weak but the rest of the team is solid. if the mets get to the world series, and i think they will, it should be interesting. the mets find ways to win. randolph seems to pull all the right strings. i get the beltran hate and i was devasted in 1986, but this is a pretty likable group they have now. how would you like to have reyes or wright or delgado or :mad: beltran on the astros?
MadMax
10-10-2006, 03:47 PM
just trying to help :p
the mets starting pitching is weak but the rest of the team is solid. if the mets get to the world series, and i think they will, it should be interesting. the mets find ways to win. randolph seems to pull all the right strings. i get the beltran hate and i was devasted in 1986, but this is a pretty likable group they have now. how would you like to have reyes or wright or delgado or :mad: beltran on the astros?
in all seriousness, it doesn't matter. they could have Gandhi at first base. they're the new york mets.
thegary
10-10-2006, 03:51 PM
in all seriousness, it doesn't matter. they could have Gandhi at first base. they're the new york mets.
that's too bad. enjoy not watching the NLCS. :cool:
JunkyardDwg
10-10-2006, 05:06 PM
I hate the Cards right now..for one they're in the division and backed into the playoffs. Pujols...I'd love to have him on my team but damn I'm sick of the guy getting game winning hits.
The only thing I really hated about the mets was that Beltran went there...but I pretty much got over that when the Astros proved they could win without him and when he proved he wasn't worth the high payday.
MadMax
10-11-2006, 08:22 AM
that's too bad. enjoy not watching the NLCS. :cool:
it's almost as bad as when my father-in-law got us tickets to the cotton bowl....
to see Arkansas play Oklahoma.
i was rooting for a comet to hit the stadium.
Buck Turgidson
10-11-2006, 09:45 PM
that's too bad. enjoy not watching the NLCS. :cool:
God, apparently, agrees with us. ;)
Nice Rollin
10-12-2006, 08:24 PM
WRIGHT AND BELTRAN D'IN UP!
TMac#1
10-12-2006, 09:07 PM
f'n Beltran :(
Memories of 2004
Terrible pitch by Weaver... he was lucky that the ball actually landed somewhere. That thing should be still be in orbit... he missed his spot by that much.
Now Delgado rakes one.
This should be fun to watch... Cardinals 3-4-5 against Billy "hit my fastball" Wagner.
Nice Rollin
10-12-2006, 10:25 PM
This should be fun to watch... Cardinals 3-4-5 against Billy "hit my fastball" Wagner.
no its not......encarnacion and speizo suck.....the cards have an astros lineup
Sishir Chang
10-12-2006, 10:58 PM
Seeing Beltran hit that homerun reminded me of why I don't like the Mets even more. I don't like the Cardinals but I can't stand the Mets.
Pocket Rockets
10-12-2006, 11:28 PM
I hate the Cards right now..for one they're in the division and backed into the playoffs. Pujols...I'd love to have him on my team but damn I'm sick of the guy getting game winning hits.
The only thing I really hated about the mets was that Beltran went there...but I pretty much got over that when the Astros proved they could win without him and when he proved he wasn't worth the high payday.
i 2nd that...
mets & tigers in ws
tigers should win
Nice Rollin
10-13-2006, 12:08 AM
Seeing Beltran hit that homerun reminded me of why I don't like the Mets even more. I don't like the Cardinals but I can't stand the Mets.
why? everyone on the mets is likeable. reyes and wright were in the farm system. the only guys they really paid for was beltran, pedro, and glavine. the lo duca trade was a great trade and so was delgado...
superden
10-13-2006, 02:23 AM
Lance can mash...he puts his head down and trots the bases. Bagwell did the same. So did Hank Aaron.
Pujols needs to get plunked immediately.
I love how our team (for the most part) doesn't stand around to admire their home run. is it just me, or is pujols getting a little too much credit for his base running? it hasn't been all that great lately. he has got caught in pickles a few times the last month or so. i hate pujols and i hate the cards. i hate beltran, but i hate the cards in general.
bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 09:33 AM
This NLCS makes me sick b/c:
1) the Astros aren't playing in it
2) Beltran is crushing the Cards & he is not in a Stros uni
3) the Cards are there
thegary
10-13-2006, 09:52 AM
amazin's 1, tards 0
no its not......encarnacion and speizo suck.....the cards have an astros lineup
Wagner got lucky... Pujols hits a screamer that finds Delgado's glove, Encarnacion hits a ball up the middle that the geriatric porn-star somehow gets to, and he walks Rolen on 4 pitches (who hasn't had a hit in 3 years).
The NL blows... if it wasn't for Weaver completely missing his location on that pitch to Beltran, the Mets would have been getting shut out by a mediocre right-hander, who was garbage throughout the season (and who nobody wanted).
But, I guess that's why he's mediocre... to miss his location by that much, after cruising all game is a sign of a guy who's luck ran out.
rrj_gamz
10-13-2006, 10:39 AM
Well, it kinda sucked seeing the previews last night...GD Beltran in a Stros' uni... :mad:
He's owned the Cards...
Buck Turgidson
10-13-2006, 01:34 PM
Pujols needs to get plunked immediately.
You catch the differing views on Game 1?
"I feel like I'm pitching as well as I have at any point during the year." - Tom Glavine (7 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 2K)
"He wasn't good. He wasn't good at all." - Albert Pujols (0-3, K, BB) on Tom Glavine
RocketMan Tex
10-13-2006, 01:57 PM
Damn, that earthquake hasn't hit the Shea Stadium parking lot yet?!?!?!?
Go Tigers!!
:D
MadMax
10-13-2006, 02:42 PM
You catch the differing views on Game 1?
"I feel like I'm pitching as well as I have at any point during the year." - Tom Glavine (7 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 2K)
"He wasn't good. He wasn't good at all." - Albert Pujols (0-3, K, BB) on Tom Glavine
i missed it this morning...i had depositions in Conroe, and heard these comments on the way back on the radio. i HONESTLY thought about you as soon as i heard it! :)
Manny Ramirez
10-13-2006, 03:24 PM
This is easy for me. I hate all NY sports teams, and especially the Mets for what they did to my beloved Red Sox in '86. The Cardinals are my favorite NL team. With that being said, whoever wins this series will get annihilated by the AL team (most likely being Detroit).
TMac#1
10-13-2006, 09:23 PM
I don't think it is gonna matter. The Tigers are going to flatten either the Mets in the World Series. Detroit reminds me sooooo much of the White Sox last year, but even better. Tigers over Mets in 5 or 6.
HayesStreet
10-13-2006, 10:06 PM
The American League
Billy "hit my fastball" Wagner... gets lit up by So Taguchi (Adam Everett clone)... unbelievable.
Uprising
10-13-2006, 10:44 PM
Wagner does it again.
Is this the death of the Power Closers?! Lidge....Wagner...That dude from LA.
geeimsobored
10-13-2006, 10:47 PM
Wagner does it again.
Is this the death of the Power Closers?! Lidge....Wagner...That dude from LA.
I never understood how wagner has been doing so well for so long. At some point, people just have to start hitting that fastball. It just seems like such an unsustainable pitch to rely on in crunch time. His slider is ok but what made Lidge better (2 years ago) was that he had that dominant slider to rely on.
Looks like Wagner is getting a Lidge-esque meltdown. Now to see if his career is ruined permanently.
Uprising
10-13-2006, 10:47 PM
Beltran had a chance to bust this one open....and he hits into a DP.
Now the Cards are breaking this one open. LOL. Man the NL sucks.
Wagner getting lite up. 3 runs already. :eek:
rocketfat
10-13-2006, 10:48 PM
Billy "hit my fastball" Wagner... gets lit up by So Taguchi (Adam Everett clone)... unbelievable.
i knew this crap would happen. you guys all thought the cards getting swept in the first round was a given. ANYTHING can happen once you get into the tourney. i'm gonna be sick. i want to be put into a coma and only woken up if the cards do not win the world series.
Wagner does it again.
Is this the death of the Power Closers?! Lidge....Wagner...That dude from LA.
Lidge's post-season success is still >>>>> than Wagner's.
Uprising
10-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Man, they are ALL over Wagner's pitches.
Uprising
10-13-2006, 10:50 PM
I really hate to watch these games. I really haven't watched much baseball since the stros were knocked out.
DAMN YOU BRAVES! Seriously. It's making me want to puke. We were so hot to close out the season...only to let this slumping team in. Damnit. What could have been....if they only played decent earlier than the last 2 weeks. :(
TMac#1
10-13-2006, 10:55 PM
It feels weird rooting for the Cards, but I hate the arrogant Mets so much. Its like afetr all the battles we've had with the Cards over the last 2 yrs, I kind of would rather see St.L win, I hate the Cards but I have more respect for them then the Mets.
I'd take 04 NLCS Lidge at the top of his game, than Billy Wagner at the top of his game. Lidge has a nastier slider and a less flat fastball, slower, but more lively.
I'd take 04 NLCS Lidge at the top of his game, than Billy Wagner at the top of his game. Lidge has a nastier slider and a less flat fastball, slower, but more lively.
We'll see if Lidge benefits from actually getting an off-season for the first time in 3 years. His mechanics have gotten so screwed up with the multitudes of outings that have just compounded on each other over the years... and it all started to fall apart at the end of 05, where he was getting by basically on sheer will (as he blew a save to the Cubs, and then teetered on the brink in every game till the Pujols one).
He'll actually get a chance to get away from the game, and he's still young enough to have plenty of life left in the arm. Plus, the improvements he made towards the end of the season were real, and definitely a step in the right direction.
Uprising
10-13-2006, 11:01 PM
I'd rather see the Mets win than the Deadbirds. I don't hate the mets, but I do hate Beltran. But I hate the Cards, and their coach....etc. Almost as much as I hate the Cubbies.
geeimsobored
10-13-2006, 11:18 PM
I'd rather see the Mets win than the Deadbirds. I don't hate the mets, but I do hate Beltran. But I hate the Cards, and their coach....etc. Almost as much as I hate the Cubbies.
If the Cards win, then I'll just feel that much more bitter about this season. If the cards can beat the Mets, then we sure as hell could because the Cards have garbage for pitching and an offense that very well may be worse than ours.
MadMax
10-14-2006, 08:26 AM
yeah, i'm officially rooting for the cards. it's odd for me...but i was watching last night and definitely found myself rooting for the cards.
Rocketman95
10-14-2006, 10:46 AM
yeah, i'm officially rooting for the cards. it's odd for me...but i was watching last night and definitely found myself rooting for the cards.
Ditto. Edmonds and Pujols get on my last nerve, but Wagner's way beyond it.
Plus, I have good friends who are lifelong Cards fans, so I guess it'll be good for them.
DFW_Rockets_Fan
10-14-2006, 01:06 PM
yeah, i'm officially rooting for the cards. it's odd for me...but i was watching last night and definitely found myself rooting for the cards.
Same for me. I am not sure if it is Beltran, Wagnor or the "friends" who were Mets fans in 86, but I was definitely rooting for the Cards
rrj_gamz
10-14-2006, 03:39 PM
frkn' Mets...They should win tonight...
TMac#1
10-14-2006, 06:54 PM
Tigers....wow.
What a series, what a way to win a pennant.
Caboose
10-14-2006, 06:56 PM
Yeah that was a pretty great ending. Detroits gonna beat whoever wins the NLCS.
St. Louis fans are dead... barely making noise, not standing, treating this like some regular season game against the Pirates.
Contrasting this crowd with the one that welcomed the Tigers back in game 3 (and tonight)... and then thinking about the hisotric playoff crowds in Yankee Stadium, Fenway, and even in HOUSTON.... pretty crappy showing for the so-called "best baseball city in America".
TMac#1
10-14-2006, 07:38 PM
That new Busch Stadium in StL is so plain and bland, it lacks character and distinction and isn't special.
How clutch is Spiezio??
That new Busch Stadium in StL is so plain and bland, it lacks character and distinction and isn't special.
How clutch is Spiezio??
And the base is really cranked up on their speakers for some reason... reminds me of the old PA announcer at the LA Forum during the late 80's and 90's ("eeeerrrrrrrrrvin johnson")
A dead crowd... giving up HR's to the pitcher... I'm embarassed to be a fan of the NL.
TMac#1
10-14-2006, 07:59 PM
Carpenter, Weaver, Suppan>>>>>>>>Glavine, Maine, Trachsel
Pocket Rockets
10-14-2006, 08:38 PM
im going for mets...it just irks me that p wilson is in the nlcs with a shot at the ws
Nice Rollin
10-14-2006, 09:41 PM
im going for mets...it just irks me that p wilson is in the nlcs with a shot at the ws
drayton mclain's fautl.....he's obviously a racist (just kidding)
but you have to wonder why he was released. it was only a 1 year deal and he finshed 3rd on the team in RBI's....wouldve been 2nd cuz biggio played more games...
fadeaway
10-14-2006, 09:43 PM
Cards, baby!
drayton mclain's fautl.....he's obviously a racist (just kidding)
but you have to wonder why he was released. it was only a 1 year deal and he finshed 3rd on the team in RBI's....wouldve been 2nd cuz biggio played more games...
Who cares about lineups... when Jeff Suppan shuts down a $100 million dollar lineup, it really looks silly to waste money on them.
SamCassell
10-14-2006, 10:30 PM
With just slightly better run production, we would have been in the playoffs. A great pitching rotation doesn't mean much when you're watching the LCS on television...
I am rooting against both the Mets and Cards. I guess if I had my way, the Cards would lose but Wagner and Beltran would be simultaneously injured when their inflated heads got too close to the sun.
i'm going for the mets.
why the mets?
so they can come oh so close, and lose on a grand stage.
Nice Rollin
10-14-2006, 11:33 PM
Who cares about lineups... when Jeff Suppan shuts down a $100 million dollar lineup, it really looks silly to waste money on them.
its not a 100 million dollar lineup...thats what you dont know
Nice Rollin
10-14-2006, 11:37 PM
Who cares about lineups... when Jeff Suppan shuts down a $100 million dollar lineup, it really looks silly to waste money on them.
oh yeah and nick......the astros payroll is higher than the mets so if you wanna call the mets lineup a $100 million lineup.....then i'll call the astros lineup a $104 million dollar lineup even though you know good and well clemens makes about 20 mil and bagwell does too.
reyes and wright make less than a mil combined
Nice Rollin
10-14-2006, 11:43 PM
1. Yankees, $195 million.
Red Sox, $120 million.
angels $104 million.
White Sox, $103 million.
Astros, $104 million.
Mets, $101 million.
there you go nick....we both know that the astros LINEUP is not 104 million....clemens, oswalt, and pettite get a lot of that....just like with the mets. glavine, wagner, and pedro make up most of the payroll. delgado and beltran are about 27 then you got wright and reyes....so 28. shawn green is 10 i think. 38...look it up. you do that math.
Jesus...3 posts in a row of clarification. Looks like the Mets collapse is getting to you.
The bottom line is, the Mets got SHUT DOWN by Jeff Suppan. ZERO runs... its not that hard to do that sort of math.
We all know the Mets aren't going to pitch their way into the World Series... that much is evident with the fact that OLIVER PEREZ is going to be their game 4 starter, with Tom Glavine coming back on short rest (where he's been awful in his career) for game 5.
But, to put up 6 runs one game agains the reigning cy young award winner... only to have the high priced closer blow it to a light-hitting backup OF, and then come back the next night and get dominated by a guy who's been average over his entire career... the Mets are making the Cardinals look really really good, and that's not saying a lot for the quality of that team.
Face it... all the NL teams are flawed, including your precious Mets. The problem is, the Mets were supposed to be the favorites, and for each re-tread pitcher they trot out there, its becoming painfully obvious that the Mets hitters are playing more like the Cardinals did in 2005 (tight), while the Cards are relishing the underdog role like the Astros did.
MadMax
10-15-2006, 04:46 AM
St. Louis fans are dead... barely making noise, not standing, treating this like some regular season game against the Pirates.
Contrasting this crowd with the one that welcomed the Tigers back in game 3 (and tonight)... and then thinking about the hisotric playoff crowds in Yankee Stadium, Fenway, and even in HOUSTON.... pretty crappy showing for the so-called "best baseball city in America".
seriously, what is up with this??
they're up 5-0 in the NLCS...getting an incredible performance out of suppan. and they're dead?? huh?? that was the worst playoff crowd i've ever seen in MLB, bar none. that was pathetic.
MadMax
10-15-2006, 04:48 AM
Carpenter, Weaver, Suppan>>>>>>>>Glavine, Maine, Trachsel
preach on preacher.
how many times do we have to be reminded that, particularly in the playoffs, it's all about starting pitching??
Rocketman95
10-15-2006, 09:15 AM
seriously, what is up with this??
they're up 5-0 in the NLCS...getting an incredible performance out of suppan. and they're dead?? huh?? that was the worst playoff crowd i've ever seen in MLB, bar none. that was pathetic.
Well, if you're quick, you can tune into the Sports Reporters to hear them talk about how great the St. Louis crowd is.
Plowman
10-15-2006, 09:16 AM
I'm rooting for the Cards.I think once they survived our run,they've nutted up and might very well win the World Series.
seriously, what is up with this??
they're up 5-0 in the NLCS...getting an incredible performance out of suppan. and they're dead?? huh?? that was the worst playoff crowd i've ever seen in MLB, bar none. that was pathetic.
I think the same thing that's plaguing St. Louis is what was effecting the Rockets a couple of years back against Dallas (remember the constant complaints of the crowd not standing, not yelling, weak compared to the one in Dallas).
First of all, St. Louis is a much older city... and the new stadium ticket holders are likely long-time fans who've seen it all, or simply people going to be seen.
Astros fans were CRAVING a pennant... in the worst way. NY and Boston are always going to have the most vocal/chanting fans. But St. Louis, like the Rockets, has won several championships before, has won the pennant before, and are just not that into it (yet).
I do remember back in 2000, when the Cards first made the playoffs again after 4 years, the city/crowds went nuts... perhaps St. Louis has become the new Atlanta.
Nice Rollin
10-15-2006, 11:01 AM
Jesus...3 posts in a row of clarification. Looks like the Mets collapse is getting to you.
The bottom line is, the Mets got SHUT DOWN by Jeff Suppan. ZERO runs... its not that hard to do that sort of math.
We all know the Mets aren't going to pitch their way into the World Series... that much is evident with the fact that OLIVER PEREZ is going to be their game 4 starter, with Tom Glavine coming back on short rest (where he's been awful in his career) for game 5.
But, to put up 6 runs one game agains the reigning cy young award winner... only to have the high priced closer blow it to a light-hitting backup OF, and then come back the next night and get dominated by a guy who's been average over his entire career... the Mets are making the Cardinals look really really good, and that's not saying a lot for the quality of that team.
Face it... all the NL teams are flawed, including your precious Mets. The problem is, the Mets were supposed to be the favorites, and for each re-tread pitcher they trot out there, its becoming painfully obvious that the Mets hitters are playing more like the Cardinals did in 2005 (tight), while the Cards are relishing the underdog role like the Astros did.
yeah the mets are dead. i'll agree. we got bums like steve trachsel and oliver perez. i expect the same thing tonight, if not worse...im just sayin suppan did not shut down a 100million dollard lineup. get it straight nick acevedo. you were talking about game 3. everything you said about game 2 i'll agree with.
Nice Rollin
10-15-2006, 11:06 AM
is it just me or is the st. louis crowd just filled with a bunch of old bags....i swear everyone is 60+ in the crowd
TMac640
10-15-2006, 12:31 PM
mets suck LOLOLOLOL
MadMax
10-15-2006, 03:03 PM
I think the same thing that's plaguing St. Louis is what was effecting the Rockets a couple of years back against Dallas (remember the constant complaints of the crowd not standing, not yelling, weak compared to the one in Dallas).
First of all, St. Louis is a much older city... and the new stadium ticket holders are likely long-time fans who've seen it all, or simply people going to be seen.
Astros fans were CRAVING a pennant... in the worst way. NY and Boston are always going to have the most vocal/chanting fans. But St. Louis, like the Rockets, has won several championships before, has won the pennant before, and are just not that into it (yet).
I do remember back in 2000, when the Cards first made the playoffs again after 4 years, the city/crowds went nuts... perhaps St. Louis has become the new Atlanta.
then, as you say, their reputation is truly undeserved.
I'm actually looking forward to tonight's game 5... the pitchers given the extra day off due to rain actually get to pitch on NORMAL rest.
It will be tough to live up to the last two years' game 5's, however:
2005 - Pujols off Lidge
2004 - Kent walk-off
Also, with the "amazing" St. Louis crowd... you'd have to be careful to not fall asleep with the hush on the entire stadium, even if Weaver is throwing a no-hitter, and Pujols has 4 HR's.
TMac#1
10-17-2006, 08:23 PM
I'm actually looking forward to tonight's game 5... the pitchers given the extra day off due to rain actually get to pitch on NORMAL rest.
It will be tough to live up to the last two years' game 5's, however:
2005 - Pujols off Lidge
2004 - Kent walk-off
Also, with the "amazing" St. Louis crowd... you'd have to be careful to not fall asleep with the hush on the entire stadium, even if Weaver is throwing a no-hitter, and Pujols has 4 HR's.
Its a shame that the Pujols HR happened, overshadowing the Berkman 3 run HR to put us up. That may have been the most excited I've ever been during a game. That and the double-play in game 4, the Kent HR was pretty sweet also.
JunkyardDwg
10-17-2006, 10:03 PM
This NLCS is infuriating...to think that either of these teams will advance with the holes they have. Now I'm not saying the Astros were necessarily any more deserving especially with their inept offense. But damn, Oswalt, Pettite and Clemens (and even the bullpen) would have mowed these teams down.
TMac#1
10-17-2006, 10:26 PM
Jose Valentin = Hitler
Its great to see these arrogant NY bastards go down.
WhoMikeJames
10-17-2006, 10:50 PM
YEAH CARDS! F*** The Mets
TMac#1
10-18-2006, 08:30 PM
I can't stand that little punk Jose Reyes, he thinks he is like the coolest guy ever to put on cleats. If I was on the mound, I don't think I could resist drilling him in the head. I wish the Mets would go back to sucking.
Nice Rollin
10-18-2006, 08:44 PM
I can't stand that little punk Jose Reyes, he thinks he is like the coolest guy ever to put on cleats. If I was on the mound, I don't think I could resist drilling him in the head. I wish the Mets would go back to sucking.
i hope thats a joke....reyes gets crunk...i like that smirk he gets when he's on first. he knows he can just take 2nd base
Nice Rollin
10-18-2006, 08:59 PM
lets go maine. what a performance...unline wandy rodriguez hahaha
FlyerFanatic
10-18-2006, 10:29 PM
Mets stay alive, woo, down with the Cards! :mad:
GO CINCYNATITIII REDS!@!~@!~!!
woo hoooOOOOOO
FlyerFanatic
10-18-2006, 10:37 PM
GO CINCYNATITIII REDS!@!~@!~!!
woo hoooOOOOOO
Indeed, go ASTWOS!!! woo LWIGHTZ OUT LWIDGE LOLZ.
Indeed, go ASTWOS!!! woo LWIGHTZ OUT LWIDGE LOLZ.
The Astros did finish above the Reds.
FlyerFanatic
10-18-2006, 10:50 PM
The Astros did finish above the Reds.
Congrats...they also went from the world series to not making the playoffs. My understanding is that most Astros fans were expecting a re-appearance if not winning it this year? Looks like they took a step back, where as the Reds surprised everyone, future looks good. Thats neither here nor there though. Both teams are out...so go Mets! :D
Congrats...they also went from the world series to not making the playoffs. My understanding is that most Astros fans were expecting a re-appearance if not winning it this year? Looks like they took a step back, where as the Reds surprised everyone, future looks good. Thats neither here nor there though. Both teams are out...so go Mets! :D
Reds fans are quitters,
you are a red fan.
you are a quitter.
Haters Hate. (moi)
quitters quit. (you)
FlyerFanatic
10-18-2006, 10:53 PM
Reds fans are quitters,
you are a red fan.
you are a quitter.
Haters Hate. (moi)
quitters quit. (you)
Good one... :rolleyes:
that's what i was looking for.
:cool:
Mets and Cardinals Both suck.
Desert Scar
10-18-2006, 11:25 PM
This is great, the Tigers are going to mow the winner down the way the Red Sox mowed down the Cards a few years back. They are also going to make our sweep last year look competitive, which is actually was.
halfbreed
10-18-2006, 11:33 PM
Congrats...they also went from the world series to not making the playoffs. My understanding is that most Astros fans were expecting a re-appearance if not winning it this year? Looks like they took a step back, where as the Reds surprised everyone, future looks good. Thats neither here nor there though. Both teams are out...so go Mets! :D
This sounds like Aggie logic.
UT is favored by 20 and wins by 11, therefore, A&M really won.
Congrats...they also went from the world series to not making the playoffs. My understanding is that most Astros fans were expecting a re-appearance if not winning it this year? Looks like they took a step back, where as the Reds surprised everyone, future looks good. Thats neither here nor there though. Both teams are out...so go Mets! :D
The Astros have finished either first or second in this division every year since 1994... the strike year (which, ironically, was the last year the Reds were expected to do anything). There was also 2000... but that year netted us Lance Berkman becoming an everyday player, and sped up Roy Oswalt's development... so when you factor that in, it was a pretty damn good year.
The Reds, while they had a good year, have a future of Dunn and possibly Arroyo... which is still a step back from Lance and Roy.
RocketMan Tex
10-19-2006, 08:53 AM
This is great, the Tigers are going to mow the winner down the way the Red Sox mowed down the Cards a few years back. They are also going to make our sweep last year look competitive, which is actually was.
Agreed. The Tigers will kick the living crap out of whoever wins the Mets Cards series. They will sweep, and they will look like Murderer's Row in the process. I will be very surprised if any of the final for any of the games is within a two run spread.
Nice Rollin
10-19-2006, 09:31 AM
The Astros have finished either first or second in this division every year since 1994... the strike year (which, ironically, was the last year the Reds were expected to do anything). There was also 2000... but that year netted us Lance Berkman becoming an everyday player, and sped up Roy Oswalt's development... so when you factor that in, it was a pretty damn good year.
The Reds, while they had a good year, have a future of Dunn and possibly Arroyo... which is still a step back from Lance and Roy.
yeah but to bad it takes more than two people to make a baseball team
macalu
10-19-2006, 09:06 PM
Holy Sh!t! Play of the playoffs! :eek:
Roxfan73
10-19-2006, 09:06 PM
WOW! :eek: :eek: What a catch by Chavez AND the DP! Play of the postseason!
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 09:07 PM
What a play by Chavez!! We'll be seeing that one for a long time, even if the cursed Mets lose. Brilliant play. :eek:
Lil Pun
10-19-2006, 09:10 PM
What a catch and then a double play after. GO METS!
That's some retribution for what Edmonds did to us in Game 7 of 2004.
I wonder how Billy Wagner will respond in this game... the Cards look like they have his number, and the Mets need him more than ever.
(also, Preston Wilson... 0-3... 3K's... getting pinch-hit for in the 8th. I'm sorry St. Louis, why did you pick up our trash?)
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 10:13 PM
Met's pullin an "Astros" and becoming very anti-clutch with runners on base. No hits since the first...jeez.
WhoMikeJames
10-19-2006, 10:21 PM
WOOT.
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:23 PM
Chavez not gonna get that oine. Yadier friggin Molina :eek:
This is very good, I hate the Mets with a venegance. At least I have respect for StL. By no means is the Astro-StL rivalry a bitter one. There is mutual respect for the 2 teams. I have 0 respect for those cocky NY bastards.
Well, looks like Wagner's downfalls this series prevented Randolph from going to him in the 9th... you'd think you'd want your best possible pitcher up there in a game 7, when you're at home and you know there will be no "save".
Then again... it was the bottom of the lineup, and Yadier Molina is not a power hitter.
Lets see if Wainwright can cement the legacy as St. Louis' next closer... hell, i'd rather him close for them instead of being a starter (which I feel he'd be more valuable as)... so if he does well, it might be good for the Astros.
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 10:24 PM
I hope the Tigers pluck every last feather out of the Cardinals in excruciating and humiliating fashion. :mad:
What is it about crappy-hitting catchers coming to life in the playoffs?
2004 & 2005 - Ausmus with clutch HR's.
2006 - Yadier Molina.
Unreal.
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:28 PM
Well, looks like Wagner's downfalls this series prevented Randolph from going to him in the 9th... you'd think you'd want your best possible pitcher up there in a game 7, when you're at home and you know there will be no "save".
Then again... it was the bottom of the lineup, and Yadier Molina is not a power hitter.
Lets see if Wainwright can cement the legacy as St. Louis' next closer... hell, i'd rather him close for them instead of being a starter (which I feel he'd be more valuable as)... so if he does well, it might be good for the Astros.
Wainwright is good, but not your typical filthy closer. He looks like he could a dominant starter however.
Who would have thought when the Astros were a 1/2 game back with like 5 games left, having just swept the Cards, that the Cardinals would be going to the world series? And that they would be doing it with Pujols having 1 RBI in the NLCS? This is some kind of managing job by LaRussa, and a gutsy performance by StL. Props to the Cards, but we'll get your asses back in '07.
Wainwright is good, but not your typical filthy closer. He looks like he could a dominant starter however.
Who would have thought when the Astros were a 1/2 game back with like 5 games left, having just swept the Cards, that the Cardinals would be going to the world series? And that they would be doing it with Pujols having 1 RBI in the NLCS? This is some kind of managing job by LaRussa, and a gutsy performance by StL. Props to the Cards, but we'll get your asses back in '07.
Its all Jeff Suppan... 0 ER and a HR in game 3, and 1 ER (3 hits?!?) in the deciding game 7.
Mets weren't figuring to face that... then again, they weren't figuring that Maine and Perez would start 4 out of the 7 games for them, so I guess it just shows that every NL team has its weakness.
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:31 PM
Not over yet.
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 10:31 PM
Wainwright is good, but not your typical filthy closer. He looks like he could a dominant starter however.
Who would have thought when the Astros were a 1/2 game back with like 5 games left, having just swept the Cards, that the Cardinals would be going to the world series? And that they would be doing it with Pujols having 1 RBI in the NLCS? This is some kind of managing job by LaRussa, and a gutsy performance by StL. Props to the Cards, but we'll get your asses back in '07.
Or they just waded through a weak NL class.
halfbreed
10-19-2006, 10:31 PM
I'm so saddened watching this game knowing the Astros could have done away with the Padres/Mets.
Or they just waded through a weak NL class.
I don't think anybody will argue that... hell, even if the Astros were beating the Mets in 5 (which they would have ;) ), I wouldn't have been too high on the team we just beat.
The Mets aren't the Yankees... not when Olier Perez is your game 7 starter.
jgreen91
10-19-2006, 10:33 PM
Turning into a dramatic bottom of the ninth.
Floyd being up there reminds me of some weird combo of Gibson in 88, and Bagwell last year... what he does will determine who he reminds me of more.
EDIT: Guess it was Bagwell... now a DP wins it.
WOW... This is going to be some confrontation.
Bases loaded... Beltran up... World Series on the line.
The Real Shady
10-19-2006, 10:42 PM
Beltran vs. the Cardinals. My head is going to explode. I hate them so much.
JayZ750
10-19-2006, 10:42 PM
wow...this is a great win-win for Astros fans, assuming you are rooting against the Cards.
Rule0001
10-19-2006, 10:42 PM
This is a big situation for Beltran. - Baseball announcer
(Bases loaded, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, down by 2)
jgreen91
10-19-2006, 10:42 PM
I think they just messed up by letting beltran come up.
Whatever happens... I'll be mad.
jgreen91
10-19-2006, 10:44 PM
nasty breaking ball. Strike out.
KaiSeR SoZe
10-19-2006, 10:44 PM
hahahha@ beltran
**** the cards!!
wow...this is a great win-win for Astros fans, assuming you are rooting against the Cards.
Its lose-lose, if you're an Astros fan.
FlyerFanatic
10-19-2006, 10:44 PM
Go Tigers!
The Real Shady
10-19-2006, 10:44 PM
LOL. Sit down Beltran you loser. New York will never forgive you going down looking like that. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Cardinals go to the Series. :(
Rule0001
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
So the cards are getting swept again in the World Series?
Jebus
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
F U Beltran. Looking, too- that's gotta hurt.
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
F you Beltran!!!!!
F you New York!!!!!!!!!!
Astros w/o Beltran - Pennants = 1
Mets w/ Beltran - Pennants = 0
JayZ750
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
Its lose-lose, if you're an Astros fan.
no, Beltran strikes out (which he did), yay! Beltran hits a home-run, Cards lose, yay! I didn't have to care what happened. Either way it worked out okay for me!
rrj_gamz
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
Ok, I was going for the Mets, because I HATE the Cards...
HOwever, it was nice to see Beltran Choke...WOOHOO...F' Carlos...
jgreen91
10-19-2006, 10:46 PM
So the cards are getting swept again in the World Series?
Kinda like the Astros last year?
KaiSeR SoZe
10-19-2006, 10:46 PM
no, Beltran strikes out (which he did), yay! Beltran hits a home-run, Cards lose, yay! I didn't have to care what happened. Either way it worked out okay for me!
but the cards won
Jebus
10-19-2006, 10:46 PM
no, Beltran strikes out (which he did), yay! Beltran hits a home-run, Cards lose, yay! I didn't have to care what happened. Either way it worked out okay for me!
Gotta say, I was much happier with Beltran striking out.
no, Beltran strikes out (which he did), yay! Beltran hits a home-run, Cards lose, yay! I didn't have to care what happened. Either way it worked out okay for me!
Beltran hits a HR... becomes the next Mickey Mantle of NY... boo.
Cards strike him out... makes me feel worse about the Astros year... boo.
lose-lose.
candlegreen
10-19-2006, 10:48 PM
Beltran hits a HR... becomes the next Mickey Mantle of NY... boo.
Cards strike him out... makes me feel worse about the Astros year... boo.
lose-lose.
too bad, I was hoping for Beltran hitting a hard foul ball and hits Wagner, then got hit by a pitch and has to sit out of the World Series, then Delgado with a single to end it.
too bad, I was hoping for Beltran hitting a hard foul ball and hits Wagner, then got hit by a pitch and has to sit out of the World Series, then Delgado with a single to end it.
See? Now you're talkin. Delgado was the real MVP for them anyways.
mokulen
10-19-2006, 10:49 PM
Yeah, I know it's the Cardinals but it was beautiful watching Beltran strikout to end it. :D
Go Tigers!
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:49 PM
NY is a bunch of overpaid punk ass arrogant bastards. I got no respect for NY. Plus the Cards are gonna get blown away anyway. The Crapholes kinda remind me of last yrs. Steelers.
Suppan or Molina = MVP
FrontRowJoe
10-19-2006, 10:50 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Buck Feltran!
I can live with the Cards making it to the Series. Just as long as Detroit sweeps 'em.
The Real Shady
10-19-2006, 10:50 PM
Gotta say, I was much happier with Beltran striking out.
Strikes out on three pitches, and goes down looking to top it off.
Suppan or Molina = MVP
Suppan will be the unanimous vote... the combo of him and Weaver pitching their guts out against the vaunted Mets lineup is what won this series for the Cardinals.
Saint Louis
10-19-2006, 10:51 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Buck Feltran!
I can live with the Cards making it to the Series. Just as long as Detroit sweeps 'em.
Enjoyable ending. Beltran strikes out to end the game with the bases loaded. Nice job ARod Jr.!
I could careless about the Cards, but the Cards winning makes my wife happy, and a happy wife makes a happy house.
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:52 PM
Judging by being at the Mets games and Cards games this yr, stros fans hate Beltran more than the Cards.
surrender
10-19-2006, 10:52 PM
Beltran got CLOWNED, congrats Cards fans!
surrender
10-19-2006, 10:52 PM
Judging by being at the Mets games and Cards games this yr, stros fans hate Beltran more than the Cards.
I clap for Pujols when he bats, out of respect, but I boo the **** out of Beltran
JBIIRockets
10-19-2006, 10:53 PM
7 years 119 million, and you strike out on three pitches in the biggest AB of your career.
Saint Louis
10-19-2006, 10:54 PM
7 years 119 million, and you strike out on three pitches in the biggest AB of your career.
Priceless!
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 10:54 PM
Anybody else get the feeling watching the Cards celebrate winning the pennant like it's not that big a deal...like they didn't really deserve it. I mean an 83-78 team that backs into the playoffs after a 12-16 September, with an atrocious starting rotation and bullpen and holes throughout their lineup outside of Pujols gets to represent the NL in the World Series; pretty much because every other damn team in the league had just as many weaknesses. It's like there should be an asterisk next to this or something. It'd be a different story if they had these same weaknesses and caught fire and played likea dominant team, but I haven't seen that.
And I don't have a problem with the Cards per se...I was rooting for them in '04...or at least rooting for them to make it interesting. But it's just the way they did it this year...it's just sad that this team is going to the World Series to face a much more complete team in the Tigers. I'm gonna be sick if somehow they pull it off.
Fatty FatBastard
10-19-2006, 10:55 PM
Beltran hits a HR... becomes the next Mickey Mantle of NY... boo.
Cards strike him out... makes me feel worse about the Astros year... boo.
lose-lose.
What you should feel badly about is our waiving Preston, not so much the Cards. Had we taken care of business against the Braves, we'd be in the playoffs. Had we kept Wilson, we'd be in the playoffs. The Cards practically gave it to us at the end.
Waiving Preston bugs me more than the Cards getting there. After all, their fans were very complimentary last year. Why can'y you?
Plus, I don't think Baby Beltran deserves to win anything ever again.
jgreen91
10-19-2006, 10:56 PM
Anybody else get the feeling watching the Cards celebrate winning the pennant like it's not that big a deal...like they didn't really deserve it. I mean an 83-78 team that backs into the playoffs after a 12-16 September, with an atrocious starting rotation and bullpen and holes throughout their lineup outside of Pujols gets to represent the NL in the World Series; pretty much because every other damn team in the league had just as many weaknesses. It's like there should be an asterisk next to this or something.
Kinda like the Astros last year?
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:56 PM
I clap for Pujols when he bats, out of respect, but I boo the **** out of Beltran
Thats my whole thing about this Card hating thing. There is a ton of mutual respect betwwen the Astros and Cards. We've battled them so many times, back and forth, it's like they are brothers or something like that. I expect the pattern to continue next yr with the Astros winning the pennant.
hoopgod13
10-19-2006, 10:57 PM
don't understand the pro-cards ppl here...
we are from houston. the cards are evil. get your priorities straight
beltran is not even worth my time...STL/jim edmonds/tony larussa are everything that is wrong in this world.
'tis a sad day.
DonnyMost
10-19-2006, 10:58 PM
lol love the roid acne zit on the side of pujols' face
Bobblehead
10-19-2006, 10:58 PM
Beltran Sucks!!! That made my season!!!
I can deal with the Cards in the WS since the Tigers are gonna kill 'em!!!
What you should feel badly about is our waiving Preston, not so much the Cards. Had we taken care of business against the Braves, we'd be in the playoffs. Had we kept Wilson, we'd be in the playoffs. The Cards practically gave it to us at the end.
Waiving Preston bugs me more than the Cards getting there. After all, their fans were very complimentary last year. Why can'y you?
Plus, I don't think Baby Beltran deserves to win anything ever again.
You talk to Cardinals fans... they're also mad that the Astros waived Preston Wilson (because otherwise they wouldn't have picked him up... they're not impressed).
Also, you keep Wilson... Luke Scott gets less AB's... can't think about it that way.
I'm happy the Cards won... I respect them... but much like Rockets-Spurs, our rivalry with them (which wasn't as heated as Rockets-Jazz) is something that I can't fully put aside for my disdain of a guy who went for the big payday.
Major
10-19-2006, 10:59 PM
What you should feel badly about is our waiving Preston, not so much the Cards. Had we taken care of business against the Braves, we'd be in the playoffs. Had we kept Wilson, we'd be in the playoffs. The Cards practically gave it to us at the end.
Would you have played Wilson and his fantastic 0.243 batting average (w/ St. Louis) over Scott or Huff?
TMac#1
10-19-2006, 10:59 PM
A nice compliment about Astros from Pujols. He is the ultimate Astro killer, but still a good guy.
God I can't wait till April.
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 11:00 PM
What you should feel badly about is our waiving Preston, not so much the Cards. Had we taken care of business against the Braves, we'd be in the playoffs. Had we kept Wilson, we'd be in the playoffs. The Cards practically gave it to us at the end.
Waiving Preston bugs me more than the Cards getting there. After all, their fans were very complimentary last year. Why can'y you?
Plus, I don't think Baby Beltran deserves to win anything ever again.
So keeping Preston Wilson would have magically delivered us a playoff birth? Somehow I doubt that.... the guy has 1 rbi in the entire postseason. We could have really used that production down the stretch.
The Astros wouldn't have let him go if he actually...produced.
jgreen91
10-19-2006, 11:01 PM
The national league really doesn't matter does it? AL is superior and the NL usually get swept anyways. Cards, mets, astros, whatever it doesn't really matter. Does anyone believe any national league team would stand a chance against the Tigers?
Fatty FatBastard
10-19-2006, 11:01 PM
Would you have played Wilson and his fantastic 0.243 batting average (w/ St. Louis) over Scott or Huff?
No, but we could've waited till the end of the season to waive him. He outright cost us two games playing for the Cards, whether they liked him or not.
KaiSeR SoZe
10-19-2006, 11:04 PM
A nice compliment about Astros from Pujols. He is the ultimate Astro killer, but still a good guy.
God I can't wait till April.
what did he say?
surrender
10-19-2006, 11:04 PM
don't understand the pro-cards ppl here...
we are from houston. the cards are evil. get your priorities straight
I'm not going to hate a team just because they beat us. The Cardinals haven't given me a real reason to hate them, unlike the Cubs with the whole Barrett/Oswalt thing and their terrible bandwagoning fans.
On the other hand, Beltran is the Bud Adams of baseball. F him
A_3PO
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Anybody else get the feeling watching the Cards celebrate winning the pennant like it's not that big a deal...like they didn't really deserve it. I mean an 83-78 team that backs into the playoffs after a 12-16 September, with an atrocious starting rotation and bullpen and holes throughout their lineup outside of Pujols gets to represent the NL in the World Series; pretty much because every other damn team in the league had just as many weaknesses. It's like there should be an asterisk next to this or something. It'd be a different story if they had these same weaknesses and caught fire and played likea dominant team, but I haven't seen that.
And I don't have a problem with the Cards per se...I was rooting for them in '04...or at least rooting for them to make it interesting. But it's just the way they did it this year...it's just sad that this team is going to the World Series to face a much more complete team in the Tigers. I'm gonna be sick if somehow they pull it off.
It's interesting this team makes it to the WS while last year's team did not. Reminds me of Al McGuire's Marquette team that won it all 30+ years ago. It definitely was NOT his best squad. That's why you play the games.
Both the Cards and Tigers "backed into" the playoffs with horrible finishes. Some thought the Tigers were doomed against the Yankees, seeing as they could have avoided them in the first round if they hadn't choked like dogs against the Royals.
If the Cards win, what an improbable story. Going from a what would have been a historic collapse to winning the WS. If the Tigers win, what an improbable story. From losing 119 games three years ago to winning the WS.
I like both teams. If forced to chose, let it be the Tigers. The main thing is the Yanks/Bosox/Mets are out of the picture. For me, that means this WS is all good. :D
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 11:06 PM
Kinda like the Astros last year?
The Astros had holes last year in their lineup, yes....but post all-star break all the way to the last game of the World Series they played like champions; they had one of the best top-3 rotations if not the best in the league, one of the best bullpens, and their offense definitely stepped it up down the stretch.
And they beat a much better Cardinals team than you see here. The Cardinals beat a depleted Mets team whose bats went silent at the wrong time.
You could maybe equate this to the Sox run last year...but the big difference there is again, the Sox were a much more complete team...played solid all season, did slump toward the end but turned it around, caught fire and rode it all the way to a title. The Cards have hardly caught fire, they're just scraping by.
Achilleus
10-19-2006, 11:07 PM
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TMac#1
10-19-2006, 11:09 PM
I'm happy the Cards won... I respect them... but much like Rockets-Spurs, our rivalry with them (which wasn't as heated as Rockets-Jazz) is something that I can't fully put aside for my disdain of a guy who went for the big payday.
This is different then the Rockets vs. Jazz, nobody had any respect for the Jazz, they beat us by playing dirty and cheating with 2 of the dirtiest players ever.
The Cards beat us in 04, because Andy Pettitte was injured, and Garner decided to put all the eggs in Roger Clemens basket saving him for gm 7, instead of going with Clemens AND Oswalt on 3 days rest.
We handled them in 05 to win the pennant.
This yr, we couldn't take care of Atlanta, or the Stros would be boarding a flight to Detroit tommorow morning.
Next yr, I think the Stros will come back bigger, badder and stronger and return to the World Series
This is different then the Rockets vs. Jazz, nobody had any respect for the Jazz, they beat us by playing dirty and cheating with 2 of the dirtiest players ever.
Uhh... I know... that's why I compared it to Rockets-Spurs.
In fact, the Cards are even more like the Spurs when you compare the way they lucked into Albert Pujols, just like the Spurs lucked into Tim Duncan.
Nice Rollin
10-19-2006, 11:18 PM
go cards. im going for preston wilson
MadMax
10-19-2006, 11:19 PM
so sweet to watch beltran go down without swinging.
Lil Pun
10-19-2006, 11:19 PM
Uhh... I know... that's why I compared it to Rockets-Spurs.
In fact, the Cards are even more like the Spurs when you compare the way they lucked into Albert Pujols, just like the Spurs lucked into Tim Duncan.
The Spurs didn't luck into Tim Duncan they tanked. Then Popovich fires the coach and takes over the team and is given the title great coach by many. Yeah right. :rolleyes:
Lil Pun
10-19-2006, 11:19 PM
BTW, I wanted the Mets to win but oh well. I hope Detroit wins it all.
Nice Rollin
10-19-2006, 11:25 PM
so sweet to watch beltran go down without swinging.
you mean looking
JunkyardDwg
10-19-2006, 11:33 PM
Uhh... I know... that's why I compared it to Rockets-Spurs.
I would stand by that comparison. And yet, I wouldn't want either team winning a champsionship (if they did it wouldn't hurt me as much as other teams though) because it would mean they (a division rival...and in the case of the Spurs an in-state rival) would have one more than we do.
Desert Scar
10-20-2006, 12:12 AM
so sweet to watch beltran go down without swinging.
He chocked pretty good. His 1st and last pitches were very hittable and he is just standing there frozen.
No love lost there.
But go Tigers!!!
Nice Rollin
10-20-2006, 12:53 AM
He chocked pretty good. His 1st and last pitches were very hittable and he is just standing there frozen.
No love lost there.
But go Tigers!!!
cuz he was an astro for liek 10 minuts...that doesnt count....
OldManBernie
10-20-2006, 01:02 AM
so sweet to watch beltran go down without swinging.
It was a dream come true. I also would've been content if it was Wagner that lost the game. Oh well, you can't have it all. I hope we get an interesting world series.
VesceySux
10-20-2006, 01:04 AM
I know the Cards are our nemesis, and I should root against them, but really, for me, watching any New York team lose in such grand fashion is practically orgasmic. 1) NY fans are the most arrogant and deluded fans on the planet. 2) Any time the East (Coast) Sports Programming Network is forced to deal with a lack of NE teams in a major sporting event, it's a win in my book. Sure, ESPN will be slobbering all over Pujols (the only bankable star left for the network to hype to ridiculous levels, a la Reggie Bush), but hey, better him than Beltrash.
I'd also like to point out that when you combine the team payrolls of both the Cards and the Tigers, the total is $23M less than the Yankees payroll. Heck, add in the Florida Marlins, and the Yankees are still ahead by $8M. Disgusting.
Mr. Mooch
10-20-2006, 02:48 AM
Just curious, is anybody giving the Cardinals a chance in this World Series?
I'm not. In fact, if the Tigers don't sweep (let alone allow a run to score), then they might as well give the trophy to St. Louis.
No but seriously, St. Louis has no shot.
Rocketman95
10-20-2006, 08:05 AM
you mean looking
Which is also without swinging.
JayZ750
10-20-2006, 08:20 AM
Beltran hits a HR... becomes the next Mickey Mantle of NY... boo.
Cards strike him out... makes me feel worse about the Astros year... boo.
lose-lose.
Dude...sports is clearly as much about the guy who screws up than the guy who does well.
Why do you think so many people watch golf on Sunday? Tiger, sure, but every other tournament there's someone blowing a lead, often massively.
In this case someone was definitely going to win - nothing we could do about it, it was Mets vs. Cards the whole series. At a minimum, we got to see a person Astros fans should hate screw up. YAYAYAYAYAYAYA!
RocketMan Tex
10-20-2006, 08:23 AM
Just curious, is anybody giving the Cardinals a chance in this World Series?
I'm not. In fact, if the Tigers don't sweep (let alone allow a run to score), then they might as well give the trophy to St. Louis.
No but seriously, St. Louis has no shot.
The painful sweep the Tigers will put on St. Louis this year will make the 2005 White Sox sweep of the Astros look like Little League.
I'm predicting that the winning margin for each of the four games will be three runs....or more.
And I will love every minute of it!! :D
Rocketman95
10-20-2006, 08:38 AM
If there's a sweep this year, that'll be 12 straight games for the AL representative.
It was a dream come true. I also would've been content if it was Wagner that lost the game. Oh well, you can't have it all. I hope we get an interesting world series.
He essentially did lose the game... by sucking so bad in games 2 and 6, Randolph was afraid to put him in there, and Heilman had to be counted on to pitch 2 innings (Heilman's stuff is no better than Russ Springers, if you want a comparison).
macalu
10-20-2006, 08:50 AM
No one is giving the Cards a chance in the WS. did anyone really give them a chance in the NLDS or NLCS?
i don't think they'll win the WS, but i also don't think they'll go down as easy as everyone is predicting.
Buck Turgidson
10-20-2006, 09:28 AM
He chocked pretty good. His 1st and last pitches were very hittable and he is just standing there frozen.
Strike 3 curve was freaking nasty...geared up for the fastball & he got a huge bender on the outer black. Shoulda swung, but it was a great pitch by Wainright & the best he coulda done was foul it off.
The one he should be seeing in his sleep for a few months is the first pitch middle of the plate fastball he Ensberged.
Surfguy
10-20-2006, 10:12 AM
No one is giving the Cards a chance in the WS. did anyone really give them a chance in the NLDS or NLCS?
i don't think they'll win the WS, but i also don't think they'll go down as easy as everyone is predicting.
It's a great position to be in...the underdog role. Noone gives you a chance and you end up doing the unbelievable because you believe in yourselves and have an "us against the world" attitude. Sound familiar?
It wouldn't surprise me if St. Louis pulled it out. I mean...hell...they weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs after their end-season collapse. Everyone was sort of counting them out and counting the Astros in. It should be the Astros going to the World Series again. That is what is so disappointing about this season. The sucky Astros failed to live up to expectations and they had all the same tools to do it but they failed on an individual level to perform.
Nice Rollin
10-20-2006, 10:19 AM
Which is also without swinging.
ohh my bad...i read it wrong
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