ClutchFans - I see major improvement in Carr this year

DaDakota

10-01-2006, 04:39 PM

I have been down on Carr as much as anyone, and think the Texans should have taken Vince Young...BUT....

David Carr has looked a LOT better, and I may have to reassess my total bust label, he has been making nice reads, looking off defenders and hitting the short route very well.

He still needs work on the long ball - consistently underthrows it - but he doesnt have much time behind the line either.....

I am seeing a more confident David Carr, I just wish they had a decent running game to give him the play fake option.

So, in conclusion. David....you are well on your way to earning a full fledged apology from me.

Keep it up !

DD

rikesh316

10-01-2006, 04:47 PM

I agree. This is the first time Carr has a chance to be good. First 4 years had horrible players, coaches, and lineman.

ima_drummer2k

10-01-2006, 04:56 PM

He still needs work on the long ball - consistently underthrows it
I actually think he does this on purpose. Look who he's throwing it to. AJ is one of the strongest most athletic receivers in the game right now. If you have man-to-man coverage down the field, why not underthrow it and let him go up and get it. You're going to get a catch or a pass interference penalty. It's worked pretty well all year and a lot of other QB's do it too.

BTW, props to you for starting this thread. I was just messing with you in the game thread.

pgabriel

10-01-2006, 05:01 PM

the addition of moulds has helped carr as much as anything. giving him an extra option gives makes the defense play more conservative, opens up the field for johnson.

Nick

10-01-2006, 05:13 PM

the addition of moulds has helped carr as much as anything. giving him an extra option gives makes the defense play more conservative, opens up the field for johnson.

IMO, 95% of his improvment has to be attributed to better pass protection.

I think Salaam has really stabalized the offensive line... Spencer may have been a little inexperienced the first game, and he definitely has more upsside, but Salaam is a veteran who has actually PLAYED THE POSITION BEFORE, in the same system.

When Salaam went out with the slight injury in the middle of this game, the line started looking horrible again... Taylor got the blind-sided sack which caused the fumble, and Carr was skiddish the rest of the time... until Salaam came back in.

If only they had addressed the o-line THREE years ago, to the extent that they did this past off-season... I'm sure the better coaching is a big part of it as well.

VesceySux

10-01-2006, 05:17 PM

Of course he looks good! For the first time ever, Carr actually has more than 1 receiver to throw to. I mean, his supporting staff (2nd and 3rd receivers) couldn't even make the rosters of other teams! Having Moulds (and even Putzier) is a godsend for him. And it shows.

pgabriel

10-01-2006, 05:33 PM

IMO, 95% of his improvment has to be attributed to better pass protection.

I think Salaam has really stabalized the offensive line... Spencer may have been a little inexperienced the first game, and he definitely has more upsside, but Salaam is a veteran who has actually PLAYED THE POSITION BEFORE, in the same system.

When Salaam went out with the slight injury in the middle of this game, the line started looking horrible again... Taylor got the blind-sided sack which caused the fumble, and Carr was skiddish the rest of the time... until Salaam came back in.

If only they had addressed the o-line THREE years ago, to the extent that they did this past off-season... I'm sure the better coaching is a big part of it as well.

we'll just have to agree to disagree. its not just moulds, its also having a legitimate tight end.

I've never seen a qb blitzed as much as carr. teams can't blitz all the time now or they will be burned. when carr started off well in the 04 season, he was spreading the ball all around. that's when derrick armstrong was having a good year. more options less blitzing.

JayZ750

10-01-2006, 05:47 PM

Even with all the improvement, the offense is still forgetting the most important thing - scoring! It's happening, but not nearly as much as it should be with the stats Carr/AJ are putting up. Lack of a running game has to be a big part.

Crossing my fingers that this is the next evolution of the offense.

Joshfast

10-01-2006, 05:48 PM

He handled the sacks and hits better today then in the past also. No Carr hissyfits or nothing..... maybe he's starting to become the leader we need on offense. Props to DaDakota.

DonnyMost

10-01-2006, 05:56 PM

Dada, Carr has made you look like a fool this season.

But at least you admit it!

:D

Nick

10-01-2006, 05:57 PM

we'll just have to agree to disagree. its not just moulds, its also having a legitimate tight end.

I've never seen a qb blitzed as much as carr. teams can't blitz all the time now or they will be burned. when carr started off well in the 04 season, he was spreading the ball all around. that's when derrick armstrong was having a good year. more options less blitzing.

I'm not neccesarily disagreeing with you... but I will point out that Carr has been sacked MANY times on plays where teams are simply bringing their base defense. Also, before this year, it was rare that the line could form a pocket, let alone sustain it.

The fact that the line was unable to protect against NON-blitzes, which still allowed the defense to drop men back in coverage, contributed to plenty of collapsing of the pocket, as well as the eventual sack of Carr.

Even today, the sack+fumble was because of Taylor just beating up on our backup-backup LT... not due to a blitz.

But, I will agree that Moulds+TE's+better offensive sets/strategy are contributing to allowing the improved line to hold its own.

ima_drummer2k

10-01-2006, 05:59 PM

Lack of a running game has to be a big part.

Crossing my fingers that this is the next evolution of the offense.
Our running game is ATROCIOUS. That needs to be fixed ASAP, but I don't know if that'll happen this year or not.

But...that makes the year Carr is having even more impressive IMO. Can you imagine how much better the bootleg/play action plays that Kubiak loves so much would work if our running game was actually any kind of threat?

DonnyMost

10-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Our running game is ATROCIOUS. That needs to be fixed ASAP, but I don't know if that'll happen this year or not.

But...that makes the year Carr is having even more impressive IMO. Can you imagine how much better the bootleg/play action plays that Kubiak loves so much would work if our running game was actually any kind of threat?

My brother and I were at the game today and we came up with a new nickname for Ron Dayne.. "the matrix"... why? because it always looks like he's in slow-mo.. while everybody else is running full speed.

Samkon Gado needs more carries.

emjohn

10-02-2006, 06:38 AM

David Carr has looked a LOT better...he has been making nice reads, looking off defenders and hitting the short route very well.
He still needs work on the long ball - consistently underthrows it - but he doesnt have much time behind the line either.....
I am seeing a more confident David Carr, I just wish they had a decent running game to give him the play fake option.

I fully agree, he's made major strides now that he has actual coaching.

He seems to play within his game more, doesn't go for major gambles, and employs the whole field rather than making up his mind on a reciever before the snap.

Along with the deep ball, I've noticed he is pretty poor at selling the play action.

rezdawg

10-02-2006, 08:01 AM

Along with the deep ball, I've noticed he is pretty poor at selling the play action.

Did you see him run in the TD? Did you see how well he sold that one? Everyone on the defense bit...and he was completely free to walk it in.

On another note, Carr remains the NFL leader in QB rating at 108.9.

Raven Lunatic

10-02-2006, 09:13 AM

Rocket River

10-02-2006, 09:49 AM

I actually think he does this on purpose. Look who he's throwing it to. AJ is one of the strongest most athletic receivers in the game right now. If you have man-to-man coverage down the field, why not underthrow it and let him go up and get it. You're going to get a catch or a pass interference penalty. It's worked pretty well all year and a lot of other QB's do it too.

BTW, props to you for starting this thread. I was just messing with you in the game thread.

I don't think so
You put it out there. . . . AJ has a TD
Underthrowing it . . . . is underthrowing it

Rocket River

plee

10-02-2006, 09:50 AM

This whole season has kind of gone opposite of what I was expecting. Run game is crap (and Gado hasn't impressed me any more than Dayne has), but pass game is stellar, with Carr looking like a Pro-Bowl type QB. Even though he is still getting sacked a lot this season, David is making the throws, and not really holding on to the ball too long. I think the improved receivers help, as well as the scheme.

One thing that I found intriguing in yesterday's game. Late, when the offense finally sort of abandoned the run game and just let Carr sling it, we started moving the chains. Then later on, after the passing game was established, we broke off a couple good, long runs (one of which was called back...stupid Walter). I'm thinking Kubiak needs to change his tune of being dedicated to the run and using the run to set up the pass. We need to do the opposite. Let Carr make plays for us, and when they start dropping more guys back in coverage, then pound them with Dayne.

That's what I thought in the Philly game, both sides tried to establish the run and got no where. But Philly started to throw more then got our defense loosened up and the rest is history. Some coaches, sometimes to a fault, try and try to stay with the game plan instead of making adjustments.

mogrod

10-02-2006, 09:51 AM

What impresses me more is that Carr is virtually a rookie this season.

The organization has done nothing in his first 4 years to put him in a good situation. No QB coach, no good system (hell, switching systems every season), no players around him, no pass protection. Hell, not even a good, veteran QB to mentor him as a young QB in the league.

This is the first year the organization has done any of this.

Plus, the fact he is trying to learn ANOTHER offensive scheme, his play has been VERY impressive.

So, here is the question. By what everyone has seen so far from Carr, if the Texans get the 1st overall pick, do they draft Brady Quinn?

emjohn

10-02-2006, 09:56 AM

Did you see him run in the TD? Did you see how well he sold that one? Everyone on the defense bit...and he was completely free to walk it in.
I did see it. I disagreed with the announcers that he sold it especially well. Everyone bit, obviously, but I didn't think that Carr was the reason.

When he sells the PA, Carr usually just flips out his empty left hand briefly in the direction of the RB. On the play in question, and in most in general, Dayne was still several feet away, never getting close enough were it an actual hand off. Carr did hide the ball well, and hesitated before heading for the end zone. But I think the play was sold more by not sending any recievers out and Dayne covering up so well.

I'm of the opinion that QB's good at the play action show the ball in the "handoff" before tucking. I don't feel Carr does that at all.

Evan

hatemavs4life

10-02-2006, 09:57 AM

This whole season has kind of gone opposite of what I was expecting. Run game is crap (and Gado hasn't impressed me any more than Dayne has), but pass game is stellar, with Carr looking like a Pro-Bowl type QB. Even though he is still getting sacked a lot this season, David is making the throws, and not really holding on to the ball too long. I think the improved receivers help, as well as the scheme.

One thing that I found intriguing in yesterday's game. Late, when the offense finally sort of abandoned the run game and just let Carr sling it, we started moving the chains. Then later on, after the passing game was established, we broke off a couple good, long runs (one of which was called back...stupid Walter). I'm thinking Kubiak needs to change his tune of being dedicated to the run and using the run to set up the pass. We need to do the opposite. Let Carr make plays for us, and when they start dropping more guys back in coverage, then pound them with Dayne.

I think you're on to something here. We have bruiser backs one of them with some speed but I think the strategy would work better if the Texans passed most of the first half hypothetically built a lead and THEN, work at pounding the football and work at wearing down the oppositions defense. Because, the only time I've really seen Gado make a play was late in the 4th with Indy. I know, i know he was playing 3rd or 4th teamers but seeing how our running game is not primarily strong, we need to work toward our strengths so we can overlap our weaknesses. Hey SF with Montana and Young did this all the time, pass to Rice and Taylor to set up Roger Craig why not? Good call now that we have a semblance of an offensive line. IMO Cant do any worse in this respect. :D :D

ima_drummer2k

10-02-2006, 10:00 AM

I don't think so
You put it out there. . . . AJ has a TD
Underthrowing it . . . . is underthrowing it

Rocket River
I do think so. AJ was interviewed on 13 last night and said that Carr was supposed to underthrow it so he could go up and get it. AJ had NOT beaten his man on the play, so if Carr put it out there, it would have been an incomplete pass. The guy was all over him, that's why Carr underthrew it.

So, here is the question. By what everyone has seen so far from Carr, if the Texans get the 1st overall pick, do they draft Brady Quinn?
You've got to be kidding.

macalu

10-02-2006, 11:08 AM

I did see it. I disagreed with the announcers that he sold it especially well. Everyone bit, obviously, but I didn't think that Carr was the reason.

When he sells the PA, Carr usually just flips out his empty left hand briefly in the direction of the RB. On the play in question, and in most in general, Dayne was still several feet away, never getting close enough were it an actual hand off. Carr did hide the ball well, and hesitated before heading for the end zone. But I think the play was sold more by not sending any recievers out and Dayne covering up so well.

I'm of the opinion that QB's good at the play action show the ball in the "handoff" before tucking. I don't feel Carr does that at all.

Evan
i agree. his "playaction" really does suck. i remember watching Mcnabb do playaction and kept thinking, "now that's how Carr needs to run it."

rezdawg

10-02-2006, 12:53 PM

So, here is the question. By what everyone has seen so far from Carr, if the Texans get the 1st overall pick, do they draft Brady Quinn?

Brady Quinn is probably the last player I would take...

We need a RB, OT, OG, C, WR, DE, DT, OLB, CB, SS, FS, and K more than we need a QB.

Rocket River

10-02-2006, 03:05 PM

I do think so. AJ was interviewed on 13 last night and said that Carr was supposed to underthrow it so he could go up and get it. AJ had NOT beaten his man on the play, so if Carr put it out there, it would have been an incomplete pass. The guy was all over him, that's why Carr underthrew it.

You've got to be kidding.

It was more than one play

Rocket River

dsnow23

10-02-2006, 03:14 PM

Brady Quinn is probably the last player I would take...

We need a RB, OT, OG, C, WR, DE, DT, OLB, CB, SS, FS, and K more than we need a QB.

Exactly. Our saftety play has been horriffic and we still aren't getting nearly enough pressure on the QB.

Carr has looked good, but he still isn't getting anything even resembling adequate protection.

SLrocket

10-09-2006, 09:22 PM

......would someone tell me why we traded vernand morency for samkon gado? thanks, id appreciate it. i cant wait until jerome mathis is back, the guy was simply electric. haha and it was hilarious when david carr used to suck his bro would hear the jeers from some people on monday. hes a sophomore and im a freshman. hes pretty good, he made varsity this yr.