The Official Adrian Peterson Countdown

[lexled]

Wow, do the Texans suck! They may be even worse than they were last year and that is a hard feat to accomplish. Im a season ticket holder. I went to the first game vs Phili with moderate expectations, only to see them shattered and stepped on the past 3 weeks. This team is a joke. I gave the Redskins tickes to customers, and it took me 3 hours to find a customer that would take the tickets! You know its bad when people turn down free NFL tickets. The only reason I was able to give them away finally was because the customers wife was a Redskin fan.

What a collossal idiot move not taking Bush. After all, why would you want to energize your fan base? Take Wiiliams and alienate them instead. Nice move morons.

After looking at our schedule this morning, we may win 2 games this year. I emphasize MAY.

The question: will the Texans be smart enough (oxymoron) to draft Adrian Peterson with the #1 pick? Given thier draft bungles, I doubt it.

As Richard Justice said in his blog: Let the Adrian Peterson countdown begin. Whats sad is that its beginning so early but the writing is on the wall.

[KaiSeR SoZe]

Didn't we have one of these for Reggie Bush too?

[Groogrux]

You must not remember last year. I'm not saying they look great or anything, but I feel that last year they were much better. And if you think they're worse this year, you should know that they should go defense with their first pick since they currently have a chance at being one of the worst all-time defensively.

[Luckyazn]

last yr 2-14 drafted Mario Williams :rolleyes:

this yr 1-15 drafted Adrian Peterson




TIME TO TANK ..... they can't mess up again? can they :rolleyes:

[Groogrux]

last yr 2-14 drafted Mario Williams :rolleyes:

this yr 1-15 drafted Adrian Peterson




TIME TO TANK ..... they can't mess up again? can they :rolleyes:

Did you even watch the game yesterday? Our offense is no Indy, but it is when you compare it to our defense.

[MadMax]

You must not remember last year. I'm not saying they look great or anything, but I feel that last year they were much better. And if you think they're worse this year, you should know that they should go defense with their first pick since they currently have a chance at being one of the worst all-time defensively.

i think they look worse than last year, too. they can't play within 14 points of their opponent...they're on pace to SHATTER the record for most yards given up in a season.

it's sad...and i never would have expected this. but i truly think they're worse than last season, from what i've seen so far.

[Luckyazn]

Wouldnt it be CRAAAAZY if we ended up with 3 #1 draft pick in 5yrs and still can't have a winning season. Sad to say it but I think we are the WORST TEAM right now ... SF and Tenn could probably beat us right now. VY would look like Vick and Alex Smith would look like John Elway vs our D. :rolleyes:


2002 David Carr #1
2006 Mario William #1
2007 Adrian Peterson #1

2007 record 5-11 :rolleyes:

[MadMax]

I said it in another thread...but this thread is more appropriate for it:

The Texans have holes EVERYWHERE. Literally, there is no part of the team that doesn't need serious updgrading.

With that in mind, take the best available talent in the draft...no matter the position. There is nothing you don't need...just go get the guys you feel are best. Don't worry about systems and who fits where. Just draft talent. Unfortunately, that's where we are, now.

[rrj_gamz]

We have so many needs, one pick isn't going to help...We need a cover corner, we need a pass rush, we need an O-Line, etc...

When will it end...

Whew, I'm done...AP would be a good pick up but it wouldn't matter because our O-Line sucks...It also doesn't help that Carr sucks too...

[Luckyazn]

Good players: AJ, DRod, DRyans

Sorry overpaid players: Rest of team :rolleyes:

[rhester]

Now here's to you Mr. Casserly
Heaven holds a place for those who pray, hey hey hey

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon.
Going to watch the Texans play.
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
Every way you look at this you lose.

Now here's to you Mr. Casserly
Jesus loves you more than you will know.
God bless you, please Mr. Casserly
Heaven holds a place for those who pray,
Hey, hey, hey

[Major]

Wouldnt it be CRAAAAZY if we ended up with 3 #1 draft pick in 5yrs and still can't have a winning season.

There was a statistical analysis done several years ago and having lots of high draft picks on your team was generally not an indicator of future success. A team like Indy is an exception with Edge/Manning, but teams like New England and Pittsburgh who've had consistent success the last few years don't have a lot of top-5 type picks in them. (obviously they don't have that opportunity because they were already decent, but the study accounted for that)

The reason is that if you have a few high picks, you tie up a lot of valuable salary cap space in just a few players, and the NFL is about being good in all areas rather than necessarily great (or at least, expensive great) in a few positions. That's my biggest reason for not wanting to throw so much money into a flaky position like running back. Of course, that assumes Mario Williams lives up to his expectations.

If the Texans are at the top of the draft this year, they need to seriously consider trading down rather than having so much tied into 3 #1 picks.

[macalu]

yep, Adrian Peterson would be the perfect player to fix our sh!tty defense.

[Summer Song Giver]

Dude, someone lock this thread, we can not allow Texans mangement to know who we want or they will for sure take someone else. Lock this baby and I will go open the diversionary "Countdown to Brady Quinn" thread.

[Bogey]

You must not remember last year. I'm not saying they look great or anything, but I feel that last year they were much better. And if you think they're worse this year, you should know that they should go defense with their first pick since they currently have a chance at being one of the worst all-time defensively.

Who were our last 4 first round picks? MW, T Johnson, Drob, and Babin? And didn't we trade a couple of first day picks for P Buch? Just b/c you are wasting all your early picks on D, doesn't mean they will be good.
This team needs some great players on both sides of the ball. If AP is on the board, you take him or you trade down.

[texanskan]

Well I don't see us being the worst team in football so I think all this number one pick talk needs to go away until we play 7-8 games.

[lexled]

What about good offense is your best defense? We took a D player with the #1 pick this year, when we could have used a 4th or 5th round pick to pick a defensive end that can produce just as much as Mario.

A good running game is paramount. It eats time and keeps your defense off the field, which is exactly what we need. Adrian Peterson is the logical choice.

Defense can be built without using #1 picks. When you have the #1pick, it should be used to take the best player out there, not to address a need.

If the Texans get the #1 pick again and blow it, again, Im selling my season tickets.

[Groogrux]

i think they look worse than last year, too. they can't play within 14 points of their opponent...they're on pace to SHATTER the record for most yards given up in a season.

it's sad...and i never would have expected this. but i truly think they're worse than last season, from what i've seen so far.

I guess we'll just have to disagree. I do think our defense is worse, but not our offense. You know how people always argue that an offense needs to stay out on the field to rest the defense? I think the flipside to that is that the defense needs to do something to take the pressure off the offense. That's our problem right now. The offense is under way too much pressure to do something because our defense is so terrible. I see a lot of potential in our offense, I think they look much better than last year's.

Honestly, I think we're all forgetting just how downright horrible they were last year on both sides of the ball.

[MadMax]

I guess we'll just have to disagree. I do think our defense is worse, but not our offense. You know how people always argue that an offense needs to stay out on the field to rest the defense? I think the flipside to that is that the defense needs to do something to take the pressure off the offense. That's our problem right now. The offense is under way too much pressure to do something because our defense is so terrible. I see a lot of potential in our offense, I think they look much better than last year's.

Honestly, I think we're all forgetting just how downright horrible they were last year on both sides of the ball.

i think our passing game is better. no doubt there. i think our running game looks the same. but for all the great passer ratings, they still can't put the ball in the end zone when it matters. they were in games last year. so far, they haven't been in a game.

more importantly..the defense is worse. they're that much worse, i think.

[rocketfat]

please change the title of this thread to "The Official Texans Get the #1 Pick Again and Pass Up on Adrian Peterson Because Their Front Office is Clueless Countdown"

[Lil Francis]

Drafting Peterson will be the only way to get people real excited about Texans football in 07. If we get him I would get over the stupidity of taking Mario "One Tackle A Game" Williams over Reggie Bush. But knowing the Texans they'll pass up Peterson too.

[MiniMing]

What a collossal idiot move not taking Bush. After all, why would you want to energize your fan base? Take Wiiliams and alienate them instead. Nice move morons.

Exactly.

Should of drafted Reggie..

[sammy]

I feel like Peterson will be a better NFL back that Bush so I would be more excited about getting him than if we got Bush. However, unlike last yr, I really dont want us to lose, but if you look at the schedule, we can easily go into the Buffalo game at 1-8 or at 2-7 at best. I was stupid to be optimisitc about this season.

[Chuck 4]

They didn't take Reggie #1, they wont take AP #1

[Groogrux]

Should of drafted Reggie..

Should have paid attention in English class.

Drafting Peterson will be the only way to get people real excited about Texans football in 07.

The only way, huh? Overstate much?

[DonnyMost]

There's a lot of college football left to play to determine who goes where and when...

[VesceySux]

Drafting Peterson will be the only way to get people real excited about Texans football in 07.

Bullsh*t. Only winning will get people excited.

The 2005 Texans averaged 16.3 points per game. The 2006 Texans are also averaging 16.3 points per game.

The 2005 Texans gave up 26.9 points per game. The 2006 Texans are giving up 32.7 points per game.

So, which side of the ball needs help again? (Trick question. It's actually both. :) But so far, the Texans have actually improved in offense by about 10 yards per game, while the defense has fallen waaaaaaaay off, giving up 120 more yards per game than last year.)

[Jared Novak]

Bullsh*t. Only winning will get people excited.

The 2005 Texans averaged 16.3 points per game. The 2006 Texans are also averaging 16.3 points per game.

The 2005 Texans gave up 26.9 points per game. The 2006 Texans are giving up 32.7 points per game.

So, which side of the ball needs help again? (Trick question. It's actually both. :) But so far, the Texans have actually improved in offense by about 10 yards per game, while the defense has fallen waaaaaaaay off, giving up 120 more yards per game than last year.)

Lack of a pass rush and a subpar secondary will do that to a team.

[Summer Song Giver]

Bullsh*t. Only winning will get people excited.

The 2005 Texans averaged 16.3 points per game. The 2006 Texans are also averaging 16.3 points per game.

The 2005 Texans gave up 26.9 points per game. The 2006 Texans are giving up 32.7 points per game.

So, which side of the ball needs help again? (Trick question. It's actually both. :) But so far, the Texans have actually improved in offense by about 10 yards per game, while the defense has fallen waaaaaaaay off, giving up 120 more yards per game than last year.)

The defense has been behind the offense so far, I expect that to do a 180 and by the end of the season we will be screaming about our anemic running game, and for AP.

[verse]

count me on the AP>Bush side of the debate. peterson is a sunday afternoon beast.

[VesceySux]

The defense has been behind the offense so far, I expect that to do a 180 and by the end of the season we will be screaming about our anemic running game, and for AP.

I really hope you're right, because a reversal would imply that Mario Williams would have done something to help the defense...

[Summer Song Giver]

I really hope you're right, because a reversal would imply that Mario Williams would have done something to help the defense...


Let me backpedal a bit. The defese with the exception of the secondary should start to play better. We still need help back there.

[Lil Francis]

Should have paid attention in English class.



The only way, huh? Overstate much?

If you go 2-14 again this year then why would people pay 65 and 70 dollars again next season to see that sorry product on the field. Atleast with Peterson on the field you got a guy thats exciting and will have fans excited about football again? Can you honestly say you are excited about this team?

[gucci888]

We could have Walter Payton on this team and still lose like we do. I'm not opposed to picking AP, but as long as our defense is giving up record breaking performances against them, we won't be a winning team.

Hopefully we won't be picking high enough to get AP and I've said all along that Kubiak doesn't like to pick RBs that high, but I don't think even Kubiak could pass on Bush and AP back to back.

With that said, our biggest hole lies in the secondary.

[halfbreed]

Regardless of whether or not you like the Mario pick, drafting Reggie isn't necessarily the answer. The Texans need a running back who can RUN the ball. We have solid WRs and decent TEs. We need a running back who can gain yards on the ground and keep the defense honest. So far, Reggie hasn't proven he can be that type of running back.

[Groogrux]

If you go 2-14 again this year then why would people pay 65 and 70 dollars again next season to see that sorry product on the field. Atleast with Peterson on the field you got a guy thats exciting and will have fans excited about football again? Can you honestly say you are excited about this team?

I never said I was. But I'm guessing there are other players or events that could get the fans excited again. AP is not the end all be all for this franchise.

[Luckyazn]

hmmm I think Cinn and NO was as bad as us 4 years ago

but how did Cinn turn into one of the powerhouse in football

and NO is soldout and 2-0




hmmmmmmmmmm.......

[Desert Scar]

....The reason is that if you have a few high picks, you tie up a lot of valuable salary cap space in just a few players, and the NFL is about being good in all areas rather than necessarily great (or at least, expensive great) in a few positions.....

Maybe the reason the top teams continue to do better is because the best teams (lower picks) have the best coaching and evaluators--and this is far more important over the course of 7 rounds than picking order.


....If the Texans are at the top of the draft this year, they need to seriously consider trading down rather than having so much tied into 3 #1 picks.

If AP is clearly the best prospect and the Texans have a shot at him they should take him.

I can't stand OU, but AP does look like an impact everydown NFL running back. These guys can make as much difference as anybody except a franchise QB. And I don't see a QB coming next year worth trying over Carr.

Get AP or another stud back and then use the rest of the draft for defense and Oline. That would be my plan.

[bplld]

Did you even watch the game yesterday? Our offense is no Indy, but it is when you compare it to our defense.

Werd. Our offense is good. With AJ, MOulds, daniels, putzier, carr, and a decent running game yesterday, offense is not a need.

We need a defensive player, preferably secondary. Maybe d-line otherwise. Even with Reggie Bush this team would not be very good because the problem is the defense, not the offense.

[Lil Francis]

I never said I was. But I'm guessing there are other players or events that could get the fans excited again. AP is not the end all be all for this franchise.I agree with that but if you have a chance to take another franchise back in Peterson and you pass up on him in 07 then they are the dumbest franchise in pro sports history.

[Summer Song Giver]

I agree with that but if you have a chance to take another franchise back in Peterson and you pass up on him in 07 then they are the dumbest franchise in pro sports history.

Yeah, i'll pretty much turn in my fan card. AP is an NFL back not unlike Tomlinson where you can literally build your entire team around him.

[ima_drummer2k]

Trade our 1st round pick for 2 lower 1st round picks. Do the same with our 2nd round pick. And our 3rd round pick. Everyone besides D. Robinson, D. Ryans, and A. Johnson is expendable and should be traded if someone is stupid enough....er, uh...if someone offers us a draft pick or 2 for them.

We need as many draft picks as we can get. One pick in each round ain't gonna get it done, no matter how high the pick is.

[The Cat]

and NO is soldout and 2-0




hmmmmmmmmmm.......

They're sold out because it's the first game and season in the city of New Orleans since possibly the greatest natural disaster in the history of this country. They're 2-0 because they played two of the worst teams in the league the first two weeks.

Next.

[MiniMing]

Should have paid attention in English class.

LOL!!! ok.. this doesn't make sense..

[gucci888]

hmmm I think Cinn and NO was as bad as us 4 years ago

but how did Cinn turn into one of the powerhouse in football

and NO is soldout and 2-0

hmmmmmmmmmm.......

How did Cinn turn into one of the powerhouses in football? It wasn't a running back that's for sure. Obviously Palmer is the main reason for their success, he is the type of leader and player that we are missing at QB. Also, Marvin Lewis has done about as good as a job than anyone in the NFL.

The Texans sold out their 1st five seasons, it doesn't say a whole lot. As The Cat posted, playing Cleveland and Green Bay isn't exactly tough.

[Groogrux]

LOL!!! ok.. this doesn't make sense..

If you would have paid attention in English class, it would.

[Luckyazn]

How did Cinn turn into one of the powerhouses in football? It wasn't a running back that's for sure. Obviously Palmer is the main reason for their success, he is the type of leader and player that we are missing at QB. Also, Marvin Lewis has done about as good as a job than anyone in the NFL.

The Texans sold out their 1st five seasons, it doesn't say a whole lot. As The Cat posted, playing Cleveland and Green Bay isn't exactly tough.


I was saying Cinn knew how to build a TEAM alot better than WE DID ..... and I beat Cleveland and Green Bay can whooooooop OUR ASS right now!

[Ric]

How did Cinn turn into one of the powerhouses in football? It wasn't a running back that's for sure.
palmer actually fell into the perfect storm of good fortune; the bengals had their LT, RT, RB and both starting WRs before drafting palmer.

manning also came into a favorable situation with a glenn, harrison and faulk already in place. within three years, he'd have james, wayne and diem. within five years, dallas clark. glenn, james, wayne and clark were all 1st round picks (as was faulk).

they've both also had only 1 OL coach and 1 OC for their entire pro careers.

in five years, the texans have given carr 1 offensive 1st round pick.

[KAS13]

If we can't land Peterson maybe we can get a pass rushing DE. We could use one of those

[gucci888]

I was saying Cinn knew how to build a TEAM alot better than WE DID ..... and I beat Cleveland and Green Bay can whooooooop OUR ASS right now!

I guess you don't remember that the Bengals were consistently one of the worst teams in the league for a very long time right. Since 1992...they had 3 #1 Overall picks, a #3 overall pick, a #4 overall pick, a #5 overall pick, and a #6 overall pick.

I would hope they could build a pretty good team with that. Like I said, Marvin Lewis has done an unbelivevable job in turning that franchise around, hopefully Kubiak can do the same with this team. If the formula works...the next thing we need to do is replace Carr. :p

[buffalospeedway]

Ugghh. Why do we have to start talking about this already?

[JunkyardDwg]

Would the Texans be able to financially afford to take on the contract of another number 1 pick? Aside from that, considering the holes we have everywhere, would it even be the best decision to draft another number 1 pick (should we get it again). My thinking is if this team seriously lands the number one pick again, then they need to stockpile as many draft picks as possible and use those picks to help get rid of dead weight. One guy, as Mario Williams (even should he turn into a pro bowler) is proving, does not improve a team alone.

[SLIMANDTRIM]

Ask Arizona and Detroit how good they are with loads of talent at the RB and WR position and where that has gotten them.

[today]

If we choose Peterson with our first rounder, then he'd better be the ONLY offensive player in our draft.

Our offense is average right now, but our defense is one of the 3 worst in the league, if not the worst overall.

People at HPF.com are talking about taking a safety with that first rounder... I'd be happy with a safety or a corner, as well as a monster defensive FA signing.

[twoface723]

It irks me that we could of drafted Bush and not even be in this situation counting down for Adrian Peterson who we might not even get.

[Groogrux]

It irks me that we could of drafted Bush and not even be in this situation counting down for Adrian Peterson who we might not even get.

So, Kubiak would've turned Bush into an all-pro DB?

We'd be 0-3 with or without Bush. Jesus, people.

[Lil Francis]

So, Kubiak would've turned Bush into an all-pro DB?

We'd be 0-3 with or without Bush. Jesus, people.Yea but it would be an exciting 0-3 :D

[Loop]

They're sold out because it's the first game and season in the city of New Orleans since possibly the greatest natural disaster in the history of this country. They're 2-0 because they played two of the worst teams in the league the first two weeks.

Next.
Well N.O. is now 3-0 and just beat a superbowl caliber team. So that excuse no longer applies.

The thing is N.O. took the best player available and now look like a team that is actually going somewhere. houston, on the other hand, took the best "fit" and appear to be actually regressing. The texans in the 2007 draft should not make the same mistake they did in the last draft -- picking the best "fit" instead of the best player.

[KAS13]

The honest truth is that no one player would make the difference here. It's because of our pathetic front office that we hav this problem. That being said we continued down the same path with a terrible pick at number 1. We need major help in the secondary, a good pass rush and maybe a rb and Qb( I certainly wouldn't bitch if we picked up Peterson and Troy Smith with picks 1 and 2)

[lexled]

The honest truth is that no one player would make the difference here. It's because of our pathetic front office that we hav this problem. That being said we continued down the same path with a terrible pick at number 1. We need major help in the secondary, a good pass rush and maybe a rb and Qb( I certainly wouldn't bitch if we picked up Peterson and Troy Smith with picks 1 and 2)

Troy Smith? anyone remember Akili Smith?

[twoface723]

Yea but it would be an exciting 0-3 :D

True. :D

[rhino17]

Ask Arizona and Detroit how good they are with loads of talent at the RB and WR position and where that has gotten them.

Detroit has not had a good running back in a few years, and Arizona has never had a good running back. They just got Edge and we havnt seen how that has worked out yet

[SLIMANDTRIM]

Detroit has not had a good running back in a few years, and Arizona has never had a good running back. They just got Edge and we havnt seen how that has worked out yet

I'm speaking of this year. You have two teams filled with young WR's and talented RB's and yet combine for 1 victory so far. The point I was hoping some of you would grasp is there is more to a team than picking up nothing but offensive weapons every year in the top 3 rounds yet neglect the trenches and hope to win.

[AggieDentist]

we may have to wait on Peterson...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2625553

Updated: Oct. 14, 2006, 5:34 PM ET
Peterson out for season with broken collarbone

ESPN.com news services


NORMAN, Okla. -- Last month, Adrian Peterson told The Oklahoman the one thing that could keep him from leaving for the NFL after this season was a major injury. But the Sooner star probably never expected that possibility to come into play.

Peterson, a Heisman Trophy hopeful and the fourth-leading rusher in Oklahoma history, broke his collarbone on a dive into the end zone Saturday, and will miss the rest of the regular season.


Peterson was injured on his last carry of the game -- a 53-yard scoring run with about 6:40 remaining that completed the 23rd-ranked Sooners' 34-9 win over Iowa State.


Peterson ran for 183 yards and two touchdowns.

"My goals when I got here were to win a national championship first and then have an opportunity to win the Heisman," Peterson told The Oklahoman in September. "Those are the things I want to do, but the only thing right now I know for a fact that would keep me [at Oklahoma] next year is a major injury. God willing, that won't happen."

How Saturday's injury will affect Peterson's draft status for April's NFL Draft is not yet known. Peterson has been projected as a Top 5 pick.


Peterson, a junior who has 1,030 yards this season and entered the weekend as the nation's fourth-leading rusher, was second in Heisman voting as a freshman. He was playing for the first time in years before his father, who had spent about eight years in federal prison for money laundering.


"Just diving into the end zone and when he landed, he landed wrong," Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said. "At this point it looks like the best thing, the earliest he would be ready to play, would be a bowl game."

Sooner quarterback Paul Thompson said the team will have to find a way to keep going.


"A.D. is the focal point not only of this offense but the team," Thompson said. "It's big, so a lot of guys are going to have to step up. Not just other running backs. This team as a whole is going to have to step up and pull an extra load.


"He was obviously a great back, one of the best backs in the nation."


Peterson set an NCAA freshman record with 1,925 rushing yards in 2004 as he helped lead Oklahoma to the BCS title game, where the Sooners lost to Southern California. He had rushed for at least 100 yards in 22 of his 30 games at Oklahoma, including nine straight to start his career.


His performance Saturday moved him into fourth place on Oklahoma's all-time rushing list. He would need only 150 to match 1978 Heisman Trophy winner Billy Sims' total of 4,118 yards.


"I'm still not even trying to think about an offense without him, but I guess it is reality," receiver Malcolm Kelly said. "We're going to have to come out and play, man. Everybody came here to play football, and that's what we're going to have to do. We're going to have to do it to a higher level than we've been doing."


Despite all that success, Peterson had been fairly injury-prone in his Oklahoma career. He dislocated his left shoulder in fall practice in 2004, reaggravated it during the regular season and then had surgery in the offseason.


He missed one game last season and was severely limited in three others with a sprained right ankle.


Peterson's backup, junior Allen Patrick, another I-back style runner, will take over the primary ball-carrying duties with Peterson out, ESPN.com's Ivan Maisel reports. On the season, Patrick has 18 carries for 62 yards, with a long gain of 15. Jacob Gutierrez, a Quentin Griffin-style back who helped fill in for Peterson after his injury last season, will likely also see some time.


"We won't make any rash decisions," offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson said. "I don't think the offense is going to change dramatically."

[jgreen91]

He will be ok, i'd still draft him.

[rhino17]

He will be ok, i'd still draft him.


Yeah, he'll be ready in time for the draft. I would still like to see the Texans draft him.

[Bag0b0y]

Yeah, he'll be ready in time for the draft. I would still like to see the Texans draft him.

My ideal scenario would be that the Texans keep winning and make the playoffs. Then when the draft comes I hope every team before us would be scared to draft a running back with a history of injury ala Willis McGahee in the 2003 draft and we nab him. And then I woke up.

[blackistan]

We have to try to lose games if were going to have a chance at adrian p. because the Raiders will most probably have the worst record at the end of the season

[rhino17]

We have to try to lose games if were going to have a chance at adrian p. because the Raiders will most probably have the worst record at the end of the season

Still, the raiders need a QB more than a rb, i dont see them drafting Adrian Peterson

[MadMax]

What happened to the work horse back? This guy has missed a LOT of games.

[rezdawg]

This guy has some durability issues...I'd like to keep my distance from him, specially with the contract that he will be getting. No thanks. Lets just get the best CB in the draft with our first pick.

[The Real Shady]

Why not Marshawn Lynch? He's another top 10 rated runningback and he seems to have the type of abilities the Texans are looking for a RB.

[MadMax]

i'm for picking someone to help the worst defense i've ever seen, at this point.

[swilkins]

i'm for picking someone to help the worst defense i've ever seen, at this point.

I agree. Our OLB's are not very good. Ryans would shine even more, if he had some help. OLB would do wonders for protecting the outside run. Perhaps, we might draft a DB.

If Peterson is available by the time our pick comes up, it would be hard to pass on him. I don't think we are going to have a top 5 pick and I don't think Peterson will be available, beyond 3.

[Dr.Strangelove]

I flipped on the game with 10 min. to go figuring the Sooners woould be running AP quite a bit while being up.The run was a thing of beauty,While he had a giant hole,Adrian showed the moves and breakaway speed that should lead him tobe a top 3 pick.If he slips and we get him great,but i think we're finishing 7-9 - 8-8,so I'm skeptical of our chances of nabbing this guy....GREAT PLAYER.He'll come back strong.

[DaDakota]

Draft him and get lineman in free agency.

DD

[Major]

This guy has some durability issues...I'd like to keep my distance from him, specially with the contract that he will be getting. No thanks. Lets just get the best CB in the draft with our first pick.

This is his one big knock. In all other ways, if there was ever a back to draft high in the draft, Peterson is it. He's everything you want in an NFL running back. But he just simply cannot stay healthy. This one was more of a fluke thing, but last year he had non-stop injuries as well.

The good thing for him is that this is not a leg/ankle/knee/etc type injury. The bad thing is that it reinforces his durability issues problem. He may very well drop in the draft as a result - but someone might get a steal depending on where he drops to.

[DaDakota]

This is his one big knock. In all other ways, if there was ever a back to draft high in the draft, Peterson is it. He's everything you want in an NFL running back. But he just simply cannot stay healthy. This one was more of a fluke thing, but last year he had non-stop injuries as well.

The good thing for him is that this is not a leg/ankle/knee/etc type injury. The bad thing is that it reinforces his durability issues problem. He may very well drop in the draft as a result - but someone might get a steal depending on where he drops to.


Major,

Can you recall any other college RB that had the same types of health issues that did not have them at the pro level?

I am trying to recall another case of a RB that was injured a lot in college and then blossomed in the pros.....

DD

[Major]

Major,

Can you recall any other college RB that had the same types of health issues that did not have them at the pro level?

I am trying to recall another case of a RB that was injured a lot in college and then blossomed in the pros.....

DD

Offhand, I can't. It really sucks for him because he has so much potential. But I definitely think that the injury bug is going to follow him around.

[baller4life315]

I am trying to recall another case of a RB that was injured a lot in college and then blossomed in the pros.....

Curtis Martin

[Joe Joe]

Major,

Can you recall any other college RB that had the same types of health issues that did not have them at the pro level?

I am trying to recall another case of a RB that was injured a lot in college and then blossomed in the pros.....

DD

I wouldn't say similar injury, but McGahee is doing great.

[Major]

I wouldn't say similar injury, but McGahee is doing great.

Was he injury-prone, or did he just have the one big injury? Peterson's problem seems that he seemed to get a lot of minor injuries all the time - sprained ankles, etc.

[Possum]

If Peterson is available by the time our pick comes up, it would be hard to pass on him. I don't think we are going to have a top 5 pick and I don't think Peterson will be available, beyond 3.

I have all these players rated higher than AP so IMO he could easily last until the 5th pick.

Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
Brian Brohm QB Louisville

Detroit and Oakland both need QB's in the worst way although knowing Detroit they will pick Calvin Johnson. The Titans need OL and WR. Tampa needs OL and depending on Simms health could look at QB. San Francisco, Green Bay and Cleveland have all kind of needs. These are all teams that could end up picking in front of us next year. The order of teams will determan who gets picked as much as talent.

[Desert Scar]

Curtis Martin

Ditto on Martin, who only became one of the most durable pro Rbs ever. Also McGeehee's injury was much worse.

AP is a stud, the best looking pro prospect RB I have seen in a while. (Bush is a part time RB who doesn't break tackles or finish runs like a workhorse).

Of course he will need to impress in workouts (at least 4.4 at around 220, good strength, agility and all around skills), but I think he will.

Top 5 for sure. I think he would be a smart pick by the Texans. He would add explosiveness (yes Bush would have too) and major chain churning (something Bush wouldn't have helped much with). That would help the defense too be keeping them off the field a lot more, the lack of ball control on the Texans offense does hurt the defense.

[DaDakota]

I would take Adrian Peterson over Reggie Bush EVERY single day.

Bush is a situational player....AP is a workhorse.

The Texans need a workhorse...badly.

DD

[trifecta333]

I remember when the Texans interviewed Reggie Bush and they asked him if he could be a every down back and he said yes. He is doing o.k. in New Orleans, but I think if they drafted him to take over the back field instead of spliting carries and doing some receiving for them he would be getting a bunch of negative reviews because he is only averaging about 3 yards a carry. Adrian Peterson's style is more like that of L.T. and Larry Johnson.

[jopatmc]

Seriously guys. Haven't we heard ad nauseum that in the Denver system, it's not the running back but the offensive line, that any old back can get 1000 with that system?

If that is really the case, .....then really aren't our problems still with the O-line? If they're not opening holes, then Jim Brown wouldn't get 3 yards per carry, so what's the difference?

I think we are all dreaming about AP. Games are win in the trenches firstly. And if our running game is this poor, you simply can't put it all on the backs. They are obviously not healthy and struggling with the new blocking scheme.

Defensively, it's no different. We've got some major talent on that line. And we aren't getting sacks and can't even get pressure without blitzing and leaving receivers wide open. But I don't really think we need more D-linemen. They are just going to need time to gel. We do need help in the defensive backfield though. We are basically playing 2 on 4 or 2 on 5 back there. We ain't got anybody that can pass defend.

[Desert Scar]

....I think we are all dreaming about AP. Games are win in the trenches firstly. And if our running game is this poor, you simply can't put it all on the backs. They are obviously not healthy and struggling with the new blocking scheme......

Oh yes it is in the trenches, I agree. But on a 2 yard play AP might get 5, on a 8 yard run he could take it to the house. He can't do it alone, but he could help a lot. I have not seen any college player that I think would help the Texans more. I would not pass on him if he is there, and I wouldn't trade down just for an extra 2nd or something. I think he is the best prospect I have seen from college AND plays one of the Texans major weaknesses, simple as that.

[sammy]

I would take Adrian Peterson over Reggie Bush EVERY single day.

Bush is a situational player....AP is a workhorse.

The Texans need a workhorse...badly.

DD

My friend who is a OU fan was just making fun of me cuz i have been calling Peterson AP. He told me its AD (ALL DAY) and told me I cant just make up a new nick name

[Angle02]

My friend who is a OU fan was just making fun of me cuz i have been calling Peterson AP. He told me its AD (ALL DAY) and told me I cant just make up a new nick name

His nickname really is AD for All Day. The guy gets stronger as the game goes. Over 50% of his yards come in the 2nd half and out of every quarter he gains most of his yards in the 4th. I would love to see him in a Cowboys uniform.

[rhino17]

Seriously guys. Haven't we heard ad nauseum that in the Denver system, it's not the running back but the offensive line, that any old back can get 1000 with that system?

If that is really the case, .....then really aren't our problems still with the O-line? If they're not opening holes, then Jim Brown wouldn't get 3 yards per carry, so what's the difference?

I think we are all dreaming about AP. Games are win in the trenches firstly. And if our running game is this poor, you simply can't put it all on the backs. They are obviously not healthy and struggling with the new blocking scheme.

Defensively, it's no different. We've got some major talent on that line. And we aren't getting sacks and can't even get pressure without blitzing and leaving receivers wide open. But I don't really think we need more D-linemen. They are just going to need time to gel. We do need help in the defensive backfield though. We are basically playing 2 on 4 or 2 on 5 back there. We ain't got anybody that can pass defend.


Yes Denver has gotten it done without always having a great back. But, those guys arn't scrubs either. Tatum bell, their current running back was a 2nd round pick. The Texans dont have any decent RB. None of their rbs could start on any other team in the league. And, the fact is, Denver does have a good line and the Texans do not. It wouldnt hurt to bring in a good running back to at least show some improvement. Also, some of their better backs were high round picks like bell or portis, they dont always do it with no name guys. The Texans NEED a running back that can gain more than 14 yds a game (Dayne today). And if Denver uses "any old back" and Ron Dayne was not good enough for them, doesn't that show a serious lack of talent at RB for the Texans? If Adrian Peterson is available when they make their pick, they better not make another mistake and not pick him.

[timwalters]

Seriously guys. Haven't we heard ad nauseum that in the Denver system, it's not the running back but the offensive line, that any old back can get 1000 with that system?

If that is really the case, .....then really aren't our problems still with the O-line? If they're not opening holes, then Jim Brown wouldn't get 3 yards per carry, so what's the difference?

I think we are all dreaming about AP. Games are win in the trenches firstly. And if our running game is this poor, you simply can't put it all on the backs. They are obviously not healthy and struggling with the new blocking scheme.

Defensively, it's no different. We've got some major talent on that line. And we aren't getting sacks and can't even get pressure without blitzing and leaving receivers wide open. But I don't really think we need more D-linemen. They are just going to need time to gel. We do need help in the defensive backfield though. We are basically playing 2 on 4 or 2 on 5 back there. We ain't got anybody that can pass defend.

i agree except for one thing, the texans still need a rb, and good O-line can come later in the draft like the 35th pick or so....but good-great rbs with skills usually go much higher..i know there are exceptions, but still, Id take the best rb in the first round, then the next pick (early 2nd round) would take a offensive lineman, then the rest of the draft would be defense(secondary)

[Smokey]

Have you noticed that it seems every good athlete has a child out of wedlock?

AD has a kid and a father to support.

[timwalters]

id hate for the texans to have the 6th pick and take a offensive lineman(robert gallery anyone?)....go with AP and if hes not there,then take the second highest quality rb on the board...this team simply canNOT go into next season with dayne...on another note, it think after Vince Young beats the texans twice this year and looks better than carr by the end of the season, i think people will be crying for a new qb over AP..i wouldnt be surprised if carr is traded and texans draft a qg...KOLB !!!!!

[robbie380]

wow you guys have short memories. yall do remember the 1000/1000 back we had in DD? yall remember we had a horrendous O-line then too, right?

yes our line sucks but our backs suck even worse. we must draft AP. he is a monster. he has an NFL body that can abuse d-lines, break tackles, and he has breakaway speed. he has the ability to get 5 yards on a 2 yard play. he might as well be reggie bush on steroids.

screw injury concerns...this guy is a franchise back worthy of a #1 pick.

[imoffg33]

robbie is right. we aren't going to pick a running back or a quarter back so we can throw those thoughts out of the window. we are either going to target calvin johnson or we will trade down to bolster our secondary, d-line, or o-line. we suck

[Groogrux]

robbie is right. we aren't going to pick a running back or a quarter back so we can throw those thoughts out of the window. we are either going to target calvin johnson or we will trade down to bolster our secondary, d-line, or o-line. we suck

Why would we pass on a RB when we have no good or healthy ones, but take a WR when we have two good ones?

[rhino17]

Why would we pass on a RB when we have no good or healthy ones, but take a WR when we have two good ones?

exactly. they have no running backs. Even though "the system" can apparently work with any runngin back, Ron Dayne was not good enough even for Denver and he is our STARTING rb. Although the line does suck, our horrendous running backs are making them look even worse

[xiki]

The order of teams will determan who gets picked as much as talent.

The needs of the teams, sure. But also the trading partner possibilities. Without the 1st pick there is no control over the draft. Look how well the Texans controlled the last draft! :o

[gucci888]

My friend who is a OU fan was just making fun of me cuz i have been calling Peterson AP. He told me its AD (ALL DAY) and told me I cant just make up a new nick name

You should ask your friend if they are still calling him AD up there, should probably be more like HS. :cool:

But the Texans have to take Peterson if available, he does have some durability issues but a cracked collarbone is kind of a freak accident (especially how he got it). The guy has proven he can be a workhorse, he has great size and speed. He runs between the tackles and has unbelievable acceleration.

This team has a ton of holes, but I think its time to just go with the BPA. While I would say a DB is definitely our biggest need right now, we just need to get the best talent.

[No Worries]

This team has a ton of holes, but I think its time to just go with the BPA. While I would say a DB is definitely our biggest need right now, we just need to get the best talent.
We need to get players who will make the Pro Bowlls for a long career. Bruce Smith. Reggie White.

Or IOW we need to permanently fill a hole. I consider the entier defense at this point a 11 man hole.

[robbie380]

robbie is right. we aren't going to pick a running back or a quarter back so we can throw those thoughts out of the window. we are either going to target calvin johnson or we will trade down to bolster our secondary, d-line, or o-line. we suck


did you read what i wrote? i said we need to draft peterson. the worst thing possible would be to draft a wide receiver. or maybe i misunderstood...maybe you were just saying what the texans will end up doing rather than what you think they should do.

[leebigez]

Why do they have to take Peterson? I really do like Peterson a lot mure than the greatest back ever bush, but I think this team has alot of holes on defense. I really think that Clements from buffalo should be free agent target #1, going after Michael Turner from sd would be 2nd and the best safety in Merriweather should be 3rd.

[robbie380]

Why do they have to take Peterson? I really do like Peterson a lot mure than the greatest back ever bush, but I think this team has alot of holes on defense. I really think that Clements from buffalo should be free agent target #1, going after Michael Turner from sd would be 2nd and the best safety in Merriweather should be 3rd.

well obviously we need to be more open to trading down than we were this past year, but i think peterson is certainly a game changing every down back. this team does have a ton of holes but backs like peterson are rarely availible and having a running game would open up the offense very quickly. i think we are better served by going after defense on rounds 2, 3, and 4 rather than passing on peterson.

also, i can understand why kubiak passed on bush since he is not an every down back and has questionable blocking skills. peterson can do both of those things that bush couldn't so that excuse is gone. the texans must draft peterson if he is there. if he isn't then we need to trade down.

[jgreen91]

Why do they have to take Peterson? I really do like Peterson a lot mure than the greatest back ever bush, but I think this team has alot of holes on defense. I really think that Clements from buffalo should be free agent target #1, going after Michael Turner from sd would be 2nd and the best safety in Merriweather should be 3rd.

Have you seen our running backs this year?

[Groogrux]

Have you seen our running backs this year?

Have you seen our defense? They're both absolutely terrible.

[MadMax]

Have you seen our running backs this year?

i'm concerned with peterson's health.

[leebigez]

Have you seen our running backs this year?

Just be a student and historian of the game. Look at the top 10 rushers this yr and tell me how many are top 10 draft picks. Then look at the history of the coach and where he came from.

ATT YDS AVG YPG LNG TD FUM LST
1 Tiki Barber RB, NYG 102 533 5.2 106.6 29 0 1 0
2 S. Jackson RB, STL 133 521 3.9 86.8 37 2 0 0
3 Frank Gore RB, SFO 112 520 4.6 86.7 32 3 4 4
4 Warrick Dunn RB, ATL 96 511 5.3 102.2 90 1 1 0
5 W. McGahee RB, BUF 130 505 3.9 84.2 32 1 1 0
6 Julius Jones RB, DAL 108 494 4.6 98.8 33 2 1 1
7 Tatum Bell RB, DEN 100 470 4.7 94.0 39 1 1 1
8 D. McAllister RB, NOR 91 444 4.9 74.0 57 4 2 1
9 Willie Parker RB, PIT 106 434 4.1 86.8 32 5 1 0
10 D. Foster RB, CAR 114 431 3.8 71.8 43 1 2 2
11 Thomas Jones RB, CHI 116 428 3.7 71.3 29 2 0 0
12 C. Taylor RB, MIN 111 421 3.8 84.2 33 1 0 0
13 L. Tomlinson RB, SDG 110 407 3.7 81.4 58 7 1 0
14 Ronnie Brown RB, MIA 107 405 3.8 67.5 27 4 2 1
Rudi Johnson RB, CIN

The only top 10 picks in that list is LT and ronnie Brown. So i ask again, why do i have to draft peterson?

[Mr. Clutch]

Just be a student and historian of the game. Look at the top 10 rushers this yr and tell me how many are top 10 draft picks. Then look at the history of the coach and where he came from.

ATT YDS AVG YPG LNG TD FUM LST
1 Tiki Barber RB, NYG 102 533 5.2 106.6 29 0 1 0
2 S. Jackson RB, STL 133 521 3.9 86.8 37 2 0 0
3 Frank Gore RB, SFO 112 520 4.6 86.7 32 3 4 4
4 Warrick Dunn RB, ATL 96 511 5.3 102.2 90 1 1 0
5 W. McGahee RB, BUF 130 505 3.9 84.2 32 1 1 0
6 Julius Jones RB, DAL 108 494 4.6 98.8 33 2 1 1
7 Tatum Bell RB, DEN 100 470 4.7 94.0 39 1 1 1
8 D. McAllister RB, NOR 91 444 4.9 74.0 57 4 2 1
9 Willie Parker RB, PIT 106 434 4.1 86.8 32 5 1 0
10 D. Foster RB, CAR 114 431 3.8 71.8 43 1 2 2
11 Thomas Jones RB, CHI 116 428 3.7 71.3 29 2 0 0
12 C. Taylor RB, MIN 111 421 3.8 84.2 33 1 0 0
13 L. Tomlinson RB, SDG 110 407 3.7 81.4 58 7 1 0
14 Ronnie Brown RB, MIA 107 405 3.8 67.5 27 4 2 1
Rudi Johnson RB, CIN

The only top 10 picks in that list is LT and ronnie Brown. So i ask again, why do i have to draft peterson?

Couldn't you do this for any position? Look up QBs, WRs, defensive players, etc. Bottom line is you consider who is the best player and what your needs are.

[leebigez]

Couldn't you do this for any position? Look up QBs, WRs, defensive players, etc. Bottom line is you consider who is the best player and what your needs are.

I think in the patheon of players, the hardest players to find are qb,lt,re,cb. Its not just this yr, but for the most part, look at the best defensive teams and the rde is the a 1st rd pick and the cb. On successful offenses the qb and lt are the most important players. I'm not just talking about taking the best player i'm talking about building a team. You could make the argument about o lineman because most o-line coaches dont want high draft picks. If you look at the top 10 offenses last yr only edge and lt were top 5 picks. I'm just saying that even if the texans are top 7 drafting, Kubiak probably will pass and let his system take care of the rb while taking the talent for the others.

[leebigez]

Let me take the top 10 qb's on the infamous rating.

NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 D. McNabb QB, PHI 122 208 58.7 1849 8.89 87 13 6.3 2 1.0 15.0 115 104.8
2 P. Rivers QB, SDG 99 144 68.8 1064 7.39 57 7 4.9 2 1.4 5.0 31 100.6
3 M. Bulger QB, STL 128 208 61.5 1619 7.78 67 10 4.8 1 .5 19.0 137 99.8
4 P. Manning QB, IND 106 171 62.0 1278 7.47 41 8 4.7 2 1.2 7.0 49 95.6
5 David Carr QB, HOU 96 138 69.6 993 7.20 53 7 5.1 4 2.9 15.0 92 94.9
6 D. Huard QB, KAN 89 136 65.4 931 6.85 78 5 3.7 1 .7 8.0 58 94.3
7 Drew Brees QB, NOR 138 207 66.7 1509 7.29 86 8 3.9 4 1.9 6.0 37 92.8
8 E. Manning QB, NYG 115 176 65.3 1329 7.55 46 11 6.3 7 4.0 11.0 79 92.3
9 C. Pennington QB, NYJ 109 168 64.9 1261 7.51 71 8 4.8 5 3.0 16.0 85 90.9
10 C. Palmer QB, CIN 99 157 63.1 1178 7.50 51 7 4.5 4 2.5 17.0 118 90.1

Bulger was a4th,huard was a 4th and brees a 2nd. Both mannings,mcnabb,carr,palmer and Rivers were all top 4.Chad was also a 1st rd pick.

[ima_drummer2k]

i'm concerned with peterson's health.
Me too.

How come no one is talking about Garrett Wolfe from Northern Ill? The guy is averaging 7.9 yards per carry, and almost 200 yards per game. 13 TD's this year in 7 games. :eek:

I'll take him over AP.

[robbie380]

The only top 10 picks in that list is LT and ronnie Brown. So i ask again, why do i have to draft peterson?

fine i guess we should start looking for another tom brady in the 6th round too.

look at the last 10 drafts. the backs that were taken in the top 10 all turned out to be pretty damn good, except for enis. ricky was a head case but those issues didn't really surface until the NFL and he still had the talent to dominate. my point being is that when RBs were taken in the top 10 it was for good reason...because they were bad asses.

[robbie380]

Me too.

How come no one is talking about Garrett Wolfe from Northern Ill? The guy is averaging 7.9 yards per carry, and almost 200 yards per game. 13 TD's this year in 7 games. :eek:

I'll take him over AP.

wolfe is really good, but AP is a monster IMHO. wolfe also is nowhere near as big as AP. you are looking at 5'7 180 compared to 6'2 220.

[leebigez]

I'm not saying wait till the 6th rd, but similar to what Minny did in getting Taylor i think the Texans can do the same. Thats why i like Turner. he's 5'10 about 230 and is a very tough runner. He can turn the corner and has limited carries and seems to be a more proven guy. He can get a respectable contract more so than the rookie and unless sd put the high tender on him, he can be had for a 3rd or 4th. Another guy who i was surprised the texans didn't get was Davenport. he's big,strong and physical with good speed to the outside. With Sherman being in Houston i was surprised Najeh didn't get a contract instead of Gado.

[ima_drummer2k]

wolfe is really good, but AP is a monster IMHO. wolfe also is nowhere near as big as AP. you are looking at 5'7 180 compared to 6'2 220.
Wow, I didn't realize he was that small. But under Kubiak's system, you don't really need to be that big. Of course, we need some O-linemen who can actually block before ANY RB will excell in this system.

[hatemavs4life]

We need to get players who will make the Pro Bowlls for a long career. Bruce Smith. Reggie White.

Or IOW we need to permanently fill a hole. I consider the entier defense at this point a 11 man hole.

D-Ryans is looking real good. He may even make Travis Johnson look like an NFL caliber Nose Tackle oh wait my bad ... he's not a miracle worker. :D

The secondary is resembling a sh*t sandwich. :rolleyes: