If Brad Lidge were a stock he would be,

[texanskan]

Ford Motor Company.

At one time he was the best and now he has fallen so far but yet some think he will bounce back and return to glory.

Think about it last year after the season his stock was not at a all time high but he still had value, teams wanted to get him but we "bought" more and held on to him and refused to pull the trigger on a deal that could of landed us a big time bat.

I am not saying that this guy might not turn it around and return to form I am just saying the odds are better that he flames out like Rocker, Mitch Williams, Mark Whollers or any other closer who had "it" then lost it.

We are stuck with him just like you have to stick with a blue chip stock when it's low but unlike the Halliburton turn around I don't see Brad returning to elite status.

One last thing to chew on, when Rivera is always "done" and then bounces back to being the games best his ERA is not 5.79

[Luckyazn]

Stick a FORK in LIDGE


cuz HE"S DONE!

[Luckyazn]

Basically people caught on to his SLIDER/FASTBALL

Even if we make it to the playoff ..... this bullpen would get KILL! in pressure situation :rolleyes:

[SWTsig]

ENRON

[rikesh316]

Nieve should be the closer. He has a 95-96 MPH fastball and a nasty slider. He never gets rattled something you can tell Lidge does. Everytime Lidge is in tough situtation, you could tell he is nervous and uneasy and he starts to sweat a lot.

[texanskan]

Someone start a poll!

BTW-Go Big Puma tonight!

[today]

De-Listed...

[Jugdish]

Vegetable stock.

[Major]

Basically people caught on to his SLIDER/FASTBALL


Before the weekend, in his last 10 save opportunities dating back to May, Lidge had given up a total of 2 hits and 0 walks, along with 12 strikeouts in about 10 innings.

So your belief is that teams catch onto his pitches only in non-save situations? Or that they caught on to it, but then forget about it in save situations? Just trying to clarify how your argument fits with his performance.

[rodrick_98]

ENRON

yep

once high, but got there because he fooled us all in to thinking he was great, now not worth a thing

so he's either enron, or maybe kmart

[br0ken_shad0w]

Basically people caught on to his SLIDER/FASTBALL

Even if we make it to the playoff ..... this bullpen would get KILL! in pressure situation :rolleyes:

I don't buy that argument that they are catching up to his pitches. People wouldn't be keeping up with his fastball/slider if he wasn't grooving it in the middle of the plate or throwing it all over the place and drawing walks. It's all on Lidge and his ****ty control.

Billy Wagner only has two pitches and he was unhittable for much of the decade.

[noscrusir]

Krispy Kreme

Had a couple of good years, but its all downhill from here.

[The Real Shady]

Blue Horseshoe hates Brad Lidge.

[Saint Louis]

Krispy Kreme

Had a couple of good years, but its all downhill from here.

Shipleys!

[Bobblehead]

The Human Fund Stock

[robbie380]

Ford Motor Company

lol wow I was trying to go thru and think of different stocks and I was like GM, nah GM has a shot in hell at recovery. then I was like F because it doesn't look like it's getting any better there. and what do you know? you said ford too...funny stuff.

I won't call lidge completely bankrupt yet so we can't call him delphi. PXT could be another good one. maybe RFX if lidge does go totally bonkers. that refco, RFX, scandal was pretty good.

maybe we can compare him to a biotech stock that had their main drug get rejected by the FDA. ELN the weeks after tysabri got taken off the market would be a good one. but it eventually came back, so let's hope that's how brad's story ends.

[RodrickRhodes]

plummeting

[Baqui99]

Blue Horseshoe hates Brad Lidge.

:) Nice Wall Street reference.

[Dark_Tower]

If Brad Lidge were a stock, he would be a stock to short-sell. The Cardinals are in his head...but before that he was starting to come back to form. Most major closers who blow critiical post-season saves (Eckersley, Mariano, B.K. Kim) can either regain most of their form (Eck, Mariano), become mediocre (Kim), or become a horror story (Wohlers/Donnie Moore). However, once a closer loses that Gossage/Gagne/Riveraesqe intimidation factor, he's not going to get it back. Even Rivera, force that he is, hasn't been the same since the 2001 Diamondbacks series. (See 2004 ALCS for proof.) IMHO, Lidge may be able to regain most of his form; but it's not going to be overnight. So while his value is dropping, someone picking up on him now might have made a major steal.

Then again, I saw Sunday's game, and it was dishearting to watch Lidge melt down before my eyes after getting Pujols out.

I just hope the guy can pull through in the long run.

[Rule0001]

If Brad Lidge were a stock, he would be a stock to short-sell. The Cardinals are in his head...but before that he was starting to come back to form. Most major closers who blow critiical post-season saves (Eckersley, Mariano, B.K. Kim) can either regain most of their form (Eck, Mariano), become mediocre (Kim), or become a horror story (Wohlers/Donnie Moore). However, once a closer loses that Gossage/Gagne/Riveraesqe intimidation factor, he's not going to get it back. Even Rivera, force that he is, hasn't been the same since the 2001 Diamondbacks series. (See 2004 ALCS for proof.) IMHO, Lidge may be able to regain most of his form; but it's not going to be overnight. So while his value is dropping, someone picking up on him now might have made a major steal.

Then again, I saw Sunday's game, and it was dishearting to watch Lidge melt down before my eyes after getting Pujols out.

I just hope the guy can pull through in the long run.
http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/05_Baseball/Studios/Yankees/Images/05RiveraMariano.jpg



2001 ERA: 2.34
2002 ERA: 2.74
2003 ERA: 1.66
2004 ERA: 1.95
2005 ERA: 1.36
2006 ERA: 1.76
Career Postseason ERA: .75

His stats after 2001 are better than his pre 2001 stats.
I see his poise has been shattered causing his era to become lower and lower each year.

"If my life depended on it -- if my daughter's life depended on it -- I'd want Mariano Rivera closing," Alex Rodriguez

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And on Lidge, I said this 2 months ago, he needs to throw a 2 seamer. Mix a 2 and 4 seamer in and ditch the slider, he hasn't been able to throw it for a stirke for 2 years.

[ROXRAN]

Not necessarily Brad Lidge related, but I just realized only two teams in the major leagues have higher payrolls...Enough with the across the board underachieving! :mad:

Brad Lidge is just icing on the cake...

[Ric]

Before the weekend, in his last 10 save opportunities dating back to May, Lidge had given up a total of 2 hits and 0 walks, along with 12 strikeouts in about 10 innings.

So your belief is that teams catch onto his pitches only in non-save situations? Or that they caught on to it, but then forget about it in save situations? Just trying to clarify how your argument fits with his performance.
hey, i read it.

i posted his numbers in another thread - they're trending upwards (the good way). saturday was a blown save, plain and simple. sunday, he settled down and pitched well. his strike out of rolen was vintage lidge. myles simply got lucky on a pitch lidge nailed.

but yeah, i'm not overly worried about him. would i trust with him w/ a 2-1 lead in the 9th innining of a game 7....? eh. but he's been much better for two solid months, save for now 4 outings - @ WAS; @ CWS and these last 2 games with STL.

the question is: why is he struggling in non-save situations and are the astros aware of it?

[rrj_gamz]

Krispy Creme...I haven't given up, but I'm pretty damn close...

We cannot afford to blow games...We're only 6 back, but we still have a lot of work left ahead...

[Phil]

Brad Lidge pisses me off sometimes. but his "stock" will rise - those 2 runs he gave up against STL last game to lose it for us were not as bad as they looked on paper. if you watched the game, you knew that he was one pitch away from stopping that little munchkin from ruining us again.

i know it always seems like "one pitch" or "one out," and really, he should be getting it done in those situations regardless...but he will come around. we've just been getting bad break after bad break for a long ass time. i know i seem overly optimistic, but IMHO, i think lidge will come around. i don't think he'll be as dominant as he was for that one stretch of his career, but to be 75% of that would still be pretty sick.

[Austin70]

Sure Lights On gave up those two runs but if we could have gotten a hit with the bases loaded and one out, we would have won. Preston and Lane should get the bulk of the blame.

[Dr.Strangelove]

I would be buying right now.

[msn]

Thoughts on this thread:

--I don't understand everyone still piling on Wilson. Am I the only one that's noticed his spike in BA and the RBI's he's collected recently??
--The Astros didn't "refuse" the Lidge-and-others-for-Miggy-and-others deal. Tejada backed off his trade demand, and Baltimore wisely pulled out.

[bottlerocket]

A laffing stock

[Hakeem's Dream]

Thoughts on this thread:

--I don't understand everyone still piling on Wilson. Am I the only one that's noticed his spike in BA and the RBI's he's collected recently??
--The Astros didn't "refuse" the Lidge-and-others-for-Miggy-and-others deal. Tejada backed off his trade demand, and Baltimore wisely pulled out.
Nope, I am with you in re Wilson. Gaetti fixed him up real good.