Reggie Bush wants $30 million for his services

[nWo34Life]

Thanks to Johnny Utah from the Texans Message Board:

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-23/1145515768278430.xml

Expensive Bush may be there for Saints
Unflappable back's asking price has Texans exploring options

Thursday, April 20, 2006
By Jimmy Smith
Staff writer

What if, nine days from now, the unthinkable happened?

What if the Houston Texans follow through on the charade they're currently playing and take North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams with the first pick of the draft?

What if, when the Saints are in the clock, USC running back Reggie Bush is still available? Fantasy? Perhaps.

But there are about 30 million reasons why that scenario just might play itself out April 29.

That's the figure, in dollars, Bush's negotiating team apparently threw out in their only round of "contract talks" with the Texans, according to word circulating throughout the draft grapevine the past week or so.

And is it any coincidence that the day after that $30 million dollar figure was mentioned, the Texans had Williams in for a visit?

So Saints fans can sit and wonder for the next week or so what it would be like to see the Heisman Trophy winner wearing black and gold.

What a possibility.

Bush is without doubt the No. 1 prospect in the upcoming draft, a solidly put-together package of speed, strength and elusiveness that has drawn comparisons to Gale Sayers, one of the most thrilling ball carriers in NFL history.

But being the first overall draft pick is something to which Bush has aspired, and something about which he has spoken on numerous occasions.

"Playing in the NFL is a dream for me," Bush said. "Obviously I'd like to be the first pick, but at the same time the team doesn't make a difference to me."

In the months leading to the draft, there has been no question Bush would be the first overall choice. Now money seems to be muddling the situation, more than questions about Bush's height (5 feet 11¾) and weight (fluctuating between 200 and 208 pounds).

Those were the primary concerns about Bush heading into the draft, although he has done everything he could to erase those doubts.

At USC's pro day earlier this month, shirtless Bush displayed the physique of a bodybuilder and the strength to match.

He bench-pressed 225 pounds an impressive 24 times. He also ran 4.33 seconds in the 40-yard dash, had a vertical jump of 40.5 inches and a standing broad jump of 18 feet 8½ inches.

Yet what he can do with the football is what excites the most.

He can run. He can return kicks. He can catch passes. He can make defenders miss.

Most of all, he can score. Often.

"I like his versatility," said Houston coach Gary Kubiak. "Having a player you can line up all over the place presents a problem for the defense. He can return and catch, and we all know he runs well.

"The good thing about him is that the kid can get touches a lot of ways. He can get touches as a runner, receiver and returner. You don't have to ensure him so many carries. I don't think he'll have any problems getting his hands on the ball."

Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio, whose team, drafting 28th in the first round would have zero chance to see Bush's name still on the board, didn't bother going back to his alma mater to see Bush's pro-day performance.

"No," he said. "I figure I'll get to see Reggie Bush enough this year. Twice a year is plenty."

Yet while Bush seems to possess all the intangibles, the fact that he wasn't on the field every down in the Trojans' Rose Bowl loss to Texas raised concerns about his durability in the NFL and whether he could sustain the punishment of being an every-down back in pro football.

"You never know until you get into a game-time situation," Bush said. "Maybe I wouldn't even be able to know. I know that's something I'm going to work toward, and I'm going to work hard at proving to people that I can be an every-down back. Obviously I want to be in there; if I could, I'd (carry the) ball every play. That's just the competitive nature inside me.

"I always play like I have something to prove, and I think that's what's made me so successful in my career, playing like I have something to prove every day, practicing like I have something to prove every day, working out like I have something to prove every day. I feel like that's what's made me so successful and what I'm going to continue to do."

Bush has traveled the country in recent weeks, meeting with various teams -- he met with the Jets this week, which prevented him from coming to New Orleans for face-to-face contact with the Saints on Tuesday night or Wednesday.

Whether a great running back can be the difference between a contending team and a championship team is open for debate.

If you look at the all-time list of running backs who were the first overall pick, the only modern-day runners who have won a championship are Green Bay's Paul Hornung, the first pick in 1957, and the New York Giants' Kyle Rote, the top pick in 1951.

Since the inception of the Super Bowl, no running back who has been the No. 1 overall pick has been the primary contributor to a team that has won the big one.

The lone exception: George Rogers, the first overall pick by the Saints in 1981 who won a Super Bowl ring with the Washington Redskins near the end of his career.

None of the others -- O.J. Simpson, Ricky Bell, Earl Campbell, Billy Sims, Bo Jackson or Ki-Jana Carter -- played in the Super Bowl.

What will make Bush different?

"I know what I can do," he said. "Know what I mean? I just feel like I can do it. I don't know what happened to the other past running backs and why they weren't successful and what they did, but I know that I'm going to be successful and I won't fail."

[The Real Shady]

You're welcome.

The Real Shady aka Johnny Utah

[Raven Lunatic]

30 mil for what? Like 4 seasons? Is there a max or min to the years a rookie signs in the NFL?

[The Real Shady]

30 mil for what? Like 4 seasons? Is there a max or min to the years a rookie signs in the NFL?

Not sure, but's it's way too much. I believe Alex Smith received a $25 million signing bonus.

[reggietodd]

He's about to be on Rome

[rhester]

Since when did the Texans stop giving ridiculous contracts based upon potential...

[franchise403]

For 30 million dollars Reggie better be able to throw and pass to himself!!! :p

[The Real Shady]

Soooo.... I wonder how much VY would come here for?

[nWo34Life]

Welcome Mario Williams!

[JumpMan]

I was wondering why the Texans were taking so long to make him the official selection...

[Raven Lunatic]

Yeah, the Mario Williams rumors make a lot more sense if this is true. 30 mil for a signing bonus is ridiculous...however, it did mention that this was the first request in the initial negotiations...during which you would expect the Bush camp to be exhorbitantly high because they know it will be negotiated down. If Alex Smith got 25mil, I imagine Bush will get 1-2 mil more than him in the end.

[reggietodd]

If Alex Smith got 25mil, I don't think 30 is too unreasonable.

[SamFisher]

You mean they didn't give it to him? I thought Reggie Bush was the pied piper who people followed around and universally loved. At least thats what his agent said in an article I read.

[Burzmali]

Yeah, the Mario Williams rumors make a lot more sense if this is true. 30 mil for a signing bonus is ridiculous...however, it did mention that this was the first request in the initial negotiations...during which you would expect the Bush camp to be exhorbitantly high because they know it will be negotiated down. If Alex Smith got 25mil, I imagine Bush will get 1-2 mil more than him in the end.

Um.

Quarterback money is traditionally much more than running back money. Simply because of the value of the positions.

If there was any doubt before (which there shouldn't have been), this erases it.

Drafting Vince makes perfect sense.

He's from Houston. He's a Texas hero. He wants to play for Houston. He will be less expensive to sign than Reggie.

Kubiak comes from a system in Denver in which they plug in anybody at running back and get a successful running game. How many 1000 yard rushers have they had up there? Terrel Davis was a 6th round pick, Mike Anderson is a fullback, the other guys are undersized. Dom Davis is plenty sufficient to suceed admirably in a Kubiak scheme.

Vince is the answer.

[Burzmali]

You mean they didn't give it to him? I thought Reggie Bush was the pied piper who people followed around and universally loved. At least thats what his agent said in an article I read.

I guess they thought they could find somebody to stand on the sidelines with the game on the line for slightly cheaper. Maybe they decided to target somebody who actually is on the field? :confused:

[The Real Shady]

Smith received $24 million guaranteed.

Rookie Smith, 49ers agree to six-year contractESPN.com news services

The San Francisco 49ers signed quarterback Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft, to a $49.5 million, six-year contract on Tuesday.

Smith will receive $24 million in guaranteed money, which includes his bonus. Smith's average annual salary of $8.25 million tops the $7.5 million average the Giants gave to quarterback Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.


I think Bush should get around $26, and nothing higher.

[mateo]

Um.

Quarterback money is traditionally much more than running back money. Simply because of the value of the positions.

If there was any doubt before (which there shouldn't have been), this erases it.

Drafting Vince makes perfect sense.

He's from Houston. He's a Texas hero. He wants to play for Houston. He will be less expensive to sign than Reggie.

Kubiak comes from a system in Denver in which they plug in anybody at running back and get a successful running game. How many 1000 yard rushers have they had up there? Terrel Davis was a 6th round pick, Mike Anderson is a fullback, the other guys are undersized. Dom Davis is plenty sufficient to suceed admirably in a Kubiak scheme.

Vince is the answer.

And whats the question again?

[JayZ750]

If Alex Smith got 25mil, I don't think 30 is too unreasonable.

#! pick QB's get a lot more money than other positions, afaik. $30 million is ridiculous, and he knows it.

He should and will be slotted into a salary based off his draft spot, and his position.

I know relatively little about football salaries, but I'd imagine most GMs wouldn't be willing to give him any more than Alex Smith money at #1. At #2 he should be getting #2-ish money.

For comparison purposes, last year Ronnie Brown, at #2, got $34 million over 5 years, but only $20 million guaranteed. 2 spots later, Cedric Benson got a similiar deal, but with only $17 - $17.5 million guaranteed (after a club record hold-out, btw).

If it was me, I'd be offering Reggie $22.5 million guaranteed and hope to come to agreement at or around $25 million guaranteed. And I'd certainly still take him despite not having an agreement at draft day. Will he hold out...maybe, but who cares...this isn't even a playoff caliber team right now.

[swilkins]

Somebody is willing to pay that amount. If not us, then trading down makes the most sense.

I can't say I'm surprised, but I can't help but be disappointed. If he is unwilling to negotiate it down, perhaps we can trade down and get Mario and a mess of future picks. I believe Peek is worth a first rounder, if we trade him. I wonder if anyone would be interested. I don't see teams jumping for the chance at Babin and Weaver. I might have been interested in Hawk, but I think he will do better at strong-side OLB.

This certainly opens things back up. I would have said VY, if Carr didn't already get his new contract.

We'll see.

[xlr817]

Welcome Mario Williams!



:D I was thinking of the same thing :p !

[pradaxpimp]

30 mil is just the bonus? EFF that.

if it was 30 mil overall a few years, i could swallow that easily.

[krocket]

It would seem that coming out with that demand would sure "shoot himself" in the foot. If we pass on him and a coupla more teams pass then he is so far away from that kind of money he will never catch up. Bad strategy if you ask me.

[JamesC]

How much did Carr get when he signed his first contract? I'm pretty sure it was more than 30 million.

[swilkins]

It would seem that coming out with that demand would sure "shoot himself" in the foot. If we pass on him and a coupla more teams pass then he is so far away from that kind of money he will never catch up. Bad strategy if you ask me.

I just don't see it happening. Someone is willing to pay him and SF comes to mind.

[rhester]

If we pay him 30 mil signing bonus he better be getting the ball on 4th and 1
;)

[jtotheb]

If Alex Smith got 26 million, then Bush is worth every bit of 30 million. Running backs may not last as long as Quarterbacks, but they also deal with more consistent punishment to their bodies. Besides, pretty much every professional athelete is overpaid anyways and most of you are talking like it's your money. If Bush is worth the top pick, then he's worth top pick money.

[Aceshigh7]

Alex Smith sucks! I can't believe he got a 24 mil. bonus.

[swilkins]

How much did Carr get when he signed his first contract? I'm pretty sure it was more than 30 million.

I think it was around 27 million over 4 years originally.

I may be wrong.

[rhester]

Listened to Bush on Rome-

He mentioned San Francisco wanted him...
Didn't sound like he had a clue if Houston was going to select him or trade the pick, except he said they told him in Houston he was the pick, several times.

[rrj_gamz]

Is this guy on crack, or did California sun get to him...$30MM in guaranteed money for a RB that isn't an every down back...Give me a break...Besides, Alex Smith should have never gotten $25MM, but the 49ers were stupid enough to do it....

Welcome Vince Young...

[The Real Shady]

How much did Carr get when he signed his first contract? I'm pretty sure it was more than 30 million.

I'm trying to dig up guaranteed money paid to #1 overall picks. This helps a little.


The extraordinary opening moments of the 2004 NFL draft will continue to have a major influence on the negotiations between this year’s No. 1 pick, Utah quarterback Alex Smith, and the 49ers.

Because the Chargers took an unhappy Eli Manning with the first choice in ‘04 and then quickly traded him to the Giants for Philip Rivers, the usual predictable progression of guaranteed money for the top selection ultimately was skewed.

Manning wound up with a landmark contract that included $20 million in guaranteed money, a $5 million jump over the guarantees paid Carson Palmer, the Bengals’ top pick in ‘03. That represents a 25 percent increase; Palmer’s guarantees were just one percent higher than the bonus paid David Carr, the Texans’ top pick in ‘02.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6448213/did/7670326

So Alex Smith earned $24 million guaranteed.
Eli Manning $20 million
Carson Palmer $15 million
David Carr $15 million



Good luck getting $30 million Bush.

[Blatz]

Reggie said on Rome that the Texans kept saying they were going to take him. He then said but you never know what's going to happen until draft day. Also said that it is all a poker game right now.

Rome asked about the critics saying he won't be able to handle the beating every down. He said everyone needs something to pick on.

Asked about him dominating in High School, College and possibly on Sundays. He said yeah, he's got to assume that and hope it goes that way.

Rome asked what he was wearing to the draft. He said a 3 piece suit.


It's not word for word but it's pretty much what was said.

[Bogey]

I guess some of y'all don't know how negotiations work. :rolleyes:

[Blatz]

Listened to Bush on Rome-

He mentioned San Francisco wanted him...
Didn't sound like he had a clue if Houston was going to select him or trade the pick, except he said they told him in Houston he was the pick, several times.

I don't think he said SF wanted him. He was saying that Houston kept saying they were going to pick him but really anyone could. SF could say they will pick me but you never know what's going to happen until draft day.

Something like that.

[Baqui99]

Listened to Bush on Rome-

He mentioned San Francisco wanted him...
Didn't sound like he had a clue if Houston was going to select him or trade the pick, except he said they told him in Houston he was the pick, several times.

I've heard repeated rumors about SF having entered the equation as well. Word is that Mattress Mac and a slurry of other big name sponsors are really pissed off at Texans' management, and are bascially demanding Vince Young. So, with SF having moved up to the #22 spot, they could offer Houston the #6 and the #22, as well as some other picks next year, and we take Vince #6, and maybe a DB or LB at #22.

[stevel]

I've heard repeated rumors about SF having entered the equation as well. Word is that Mattress Mac and a slurry of other big name sponsors are really pissed off at Texans' management, and are bascially demanding Vince Young. So, with SF having moved up to the #22 spot, they could offer Houston the #6 and the #22, as well as some other picks next year, and we take Vince #6, and maybe a DB or LB at #22.

The only way i would want the Texans to end up with VY is if they are able to move Carr, otherwise it just seems like a poor allocation of assets. If the above deal were to happen I would hope that Deangelo Williams would be there. That would be a nice first round. If they could then get a 2 and 3rd for Carr we could have a very nice draft. Before anyone says Carr ain't worth a 2 and 3, the Dolphins gave Philly a 2 for AJ freaking Feeley. You may not like Carr but he is certainly better then Feeley. Minn could be a possibilty for Carr with 2 second rounders in their arsenal.

I still think we end up with Bush though, and I am not suprised that Bush is asking for that much. No way he gets it, from us or anyone else. As others have mentioned, that is just his agent starting high.

[reggietodd]

I've heard repeated rumors about SF having entered the equation as well. Word is that Mattress Mac and a slurry of other big name sponsors are really pissed off at Texans' management, and are bascially demanding Vince Young.

lmao, yeah lets do what Mattress Mac says is best. He's a football expert. Thats good stuff.

[Baqui99]

lmao, yeah lets do what Mattress Mac says is best. He's a football expert. Thats good stuff.

Just relaying what I heard, that some big name sponsors have some pretty significant pull with Bob McNair.

[rezdawg]

We are still taking Bush if we remain at #1. If an unbelievable deal is presented to us, we may consider trading down to get either D'Brick or Mario. There is no way in hell we will ever choose Vince, so some of you can let go of that fantasy.

[Burzmali]

And whats the question again?

Who should the Texans draft with the #1 overall pick?

[Desert Scar]

I've heard repeated rumors about SF having entered the equation as well. Word is that Mattress Mac and a slurry of other big name sponsors are really pissed off at Texans' management, and are bascially demanding Vince Young. So, with SF having moved up to the #22 spot, they could offer Houston the #6 and the #22, as well as some other picks next year, and we take Vince #6, and maybe a DB or LB at #22.

I mentioned SF the other day. I'd take #6, #22, and next years #1 and 4th from SF and give them Bush with the #1 pick. Texans probably end up with Vernon Davis (my choice, maybe just as effective in opening the offense as Bush at less than half the contract cost) and loads of picks to help the defense and Oline.

Bush to SF makes a lot of sense. They suck so bad they would welcome the big plays Bush can do even if most of their offense plays are for no gain to negative. Think Barry in Detroit, a perfect match. They also need the excitement and galvanizing player, and isn't he Alex Smith's old teammate?

Makes a lot of sense to me. I'd think I'd do it if I were the 49ers AND if I am the Texans. But either way I don't see Vince Young or another QB involved with a high pick. The Carr situation all but prevents that.

[Baqui99]

I mentioned SF the other day. I'd take #6, #22, and next years #1 and 4th from SF and give them Bush with the #1 pick. Texans probably end up with Vernon Davis (my choice, maybe just as effective in opening the offense as Bush at less than half the contract cost) and loads of picks to help the defense and Oline.

Bush to SF makes a lot of sense. They suck so bad they would welcome the big plays Bush can do even if most of their offense plays are for no gain to negative. Think Barry in Detroit, a perfect match. They also need the excitement and galvanizing player, and isn't he Alex Smith's old teammate?

Makes a lot of sense to me. I'd think I'd do it if I were the 49ers AND if I am the Texans. But either way I don't see Vince Young or another QB involved with a high pick. The Carr situation all but prevents that.

Agreed, I put the chances of Houston taking Vince at or below 5%. I'm just relaying what I've heard elsewhere.

But SF definitely is stockpiling picks to try to move up for a chance at reuniting Reggie Bush with Alex Smith. Vernon Davis is a good pick, but not one that generates excitement. If AJ Hawk is still on the board at #6, I'd take him in a heartbeat. He's a franchise LB for sure.

[Mr. Clutch]

How much does a #1 pick usually make? Reggie Bush is a way better prospect than Alex Smith. Maybe someone leaked this as part of the negotiations. And if the Texans trade down, they better be sure they can get Mario Williams.

[MadMax]

I don't know what to make of this. I don't know what is real and what's memorex. But I know that $30 million for a running back who hasn't played a down in the NFL is a lot of money.

[Jeff]

No way the SF gives us two number one's and a number four this year AND a number one next year for the #1.

[Bogey]

I've heard repeated rumors about SF having entered the equation as well. Word is that Mattress Mac and a slurry of other big name sponsors are really pissed off at Texans' management, and are bascially demanding Vince Young. So, with SF having moved up to the #22 spot, they could offer Houston the #6 and the #22, as well as some other picks next year, and we take Vince #6, and maybe a DB or LB at #22.

I'm organizing a group of people to boycott Gallery furniture until Mac quits trying to screw up our football team. Anyone with me. :D

[The Real Shady]

How much does a #1 pick usually make? Reggie Bush is a way better prospect than Alex Smith. Maybe someone leaked this as part of the negotiations. And if the Texans trade down, they better be sure they can get Mario Williams.

In my post earlier this is what the guarateed money has been for the top picks.

Alex Smith $24 million guaranteed.
Eli Manning $20 million guaranteed.
Carson Palmer $15 million guaranteed.
David Carr $15 million guaranteed.

[Baqui99]

Is it just me, or is Alex Smith less than impressiveat #1 overall. I don't think he'd even be in the top-10 of this year's class. At $24 million, the Niners are pretty much stuck with him.

[JamesC]

Mario Wiliams is an interesting prospect but I'd still be dissapointed if we came away with him. He could just as easily turn out to be the next Courtney Brown as he could Julius Peppers. All I want is an offensive player who has home run threat abilities.

[Desert Scar]

No way the SF gives us two number one's and a number four this year AND a number one next year for the #1.

Eli landed the 4th overall (Rivers) + early 3rd (66th) + future 1st + future 5th

Bush for 6th overall + 21st + future 1st + future 4th isn't that far off. Change the next year's 4th to next year's 6th.

[underoverup]

reggietodd faints

[Jeff]

Eli landed the 4th overall (Rivers) + early 3rd (66th) + future 1st + future 5th

Bush for 6th overall + 21st + future 1st + future 4th isn't that far off. Change the next year's 4th to next year's 6th.

To me, there is a HUGE difference between two number one's spread over two drafts and three number one's spread over two drafts. I guarantee you any of the number one's we would get as part of the SF scenario would be more valuable than the early 3rd AND the future 5th the Giants gave up for Manning.

Arguably, the three number one's with NO fourth is more valuable than what the Giants gave up to get Manning.

[underoverup]

alex smith is the perfect example of why you don't give that much money to an unproven rookie

[Another Brother]

I don't like his attitude, he sounds like a headcase. Draft Vince and trade a pick or two for this guy http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/deangelowilliams.html

both combined will be less than 30 mill.

[Raven Lunatic]

I wonder what Mario Williams's demands would be if he were to be picked #1. Of course, the whole report of the 30 million demand might turn out to be bogus anyhow.

[Nice Rollin]

Is it just me, or is Alex Smith less than impressiveat #1 overall. I don't think he'd even be in the top-10 of this year's class. At $24 million, the Niners are pretty much stuck with him.
as a 49ers fan, id like to dump alex smith. i dont think he has what it takes. i really want vince but they probably wont take him... :( :( :(

[rrj_gamz]

The only way i would want the Texans to end up with VY is if they are able to move Carr, otherwise it just seems like a poor allocation of assets. If the above deal were to happen I would hope that Deangelo Williams would be there. That would be a nice first round. If they could then get a 2 and 3rd for Carr we could have a very nice draft. Before anyone says Carr ain't worth a 2 and 3, the Dolphins gave Philly a 2 for AJ freaking Feeley. You may not like Carr but he is certainly better then Feeley. Minn could be a possibilty for Carr with 2 second rounders in their arsenal.

I still think we end up with Bush though, and I am not suprised that Bush is asking for that much. No way he gets it, from us or anyone else. As others have mentioned, that is just his agent starting high.


What he said...I would do that deal for lots of picks...A 6 & 22 not enough, but a start...Get it done...

[Desert Scar]

Let's see based on draft value charts:

Eli (3000) = Rivers (1800) + #66 (260) + future 1st (est 1200) + future 5th (est 40), total of about 3300 points.

So Bush (3000) = #6 (1600) + #21 (800) + about 900 in future comp. Jeff, you are correct the SF 1st in 07 is a little steep. However the offer is not enough if SF only offers their two 1st rounders.

So how about Bush (3000) + Texans second 3rd rounder (260) or 2nd in 07 (400est) for #6 (1600) + #21 (800) + 07 1st (est 1200) + 07 5th (est 40).

The Texans would be in the driver seat and demand a premium (like +400 in value points) like the Chargers got with Eli despite Eli publically underminning the Chargers position. The Texans are in much stronger position, if the offers are not good enough just keep Bush and go from there.

[Blatz]

I don't like his attitude, he sounds like a headcase. Draft Vince and trade a pick or two for this guy http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/deangelowilliams.html

both combined will be less than 30 mill.


What attitude?

[gucci888]

The Texans should just threaten to pass on him and let him go to New Orleans. :p

A $30M signing bonus for a rookie is money that comes right out of McNair's pocket. I think any owner would have to think about that. Right now, I think trading down is the best option.

[H-Town Info]

if texans dont trade, draft bush

if trade with jets, get either d-brick or super mario

if trade with 49ers, draft aj hawk or huff.

[DaDakota]

Mabye he really doesn't want to play for the Texans.

DD

[KingCheetah]

Mabye he really doesn't want to play for the Texans.

DD

VY starting to look really good again...

[RocketForever]

I hear the Jets are crazy about Reggie. Let's rob them.

#1 pick for their #4 and #29 and their 2nd round pick and their 2007 1st round pick.

Use the #4 on VY. Rebuild the OL with the other top picks or package them to move up to get a premier defensive player.

[jopatmc]

I hear the Jets are crazy about Reggie. Let's rob them.

#1 pick for their #4 and #29 and their 2nd round pick and their 2007 1st round pick.

Use the #4 on VY. Rebuild the OL with the other top picks or package them to move up to get a premier defensive player.

Bingo. The Jets are the team that can be pillaged this draft. They are low, looking for a spark with a young coach coming in trying to make a statement. Let's hope they make a serious offer.

[IC2000]

VY starting to look really good again...
you guys are in denial, there is no way in hell vince young will be picked by the texans

[wesnesked]

Who cares what the signing bonus is. Every one is acting like the money is comming out of thier own pockets. Draft him, and get a deal done. Its called negotiations. Its like buying a car, do you really pay sticker price? I'm sure a deal will get done at around 25 -27 million.

[Joshfast]

I hear the Jets are crazy about Reggie. Let's rob them.

#1 pick for their #4 and #29 and their 2nd round pick and their 2007 1st round pick.

Use the #4 on VY. Rebuild the OL with the other top picks or package them to move up to get a premier defensive player.

I would be happy with the #4, #29 a second and a third this year.

:cool:

[ROXRAN]

If I'm negotiating, based on the past, 30 million as a starting point with realization of it being the high point IS reasonable...

Best of all, McNair WILL pay like no other to get top people...

Reggie Bush it is!... :cool:

[Mr. Clutch]

you guys are in denial, there is no way in hell vince young will be picked by the texans

Seriously. If it's not Bush the 2nd choice is Mario Williams.

[reggietodd]

Bush said on Rome that the Texans told him they were drafting him. If thats true, then the only way they won't draft him is if they can't come to terms concerning money. I expect them to do whatever it takes to sign him unless its just completely unreasonable. 30mil for someone of his caliber isn't unreasonable.

Texans for Bush in 06

[SamFisher]

30mil for someone of his caliber isn't unreasonable.

Texans for Bush in 06


Apparently the Texans believe otherwise.

You do know that you don't get any of the money if he signs right?

[RocketForever]

I would be happy with the #4, #29 a second and a third this year.

:cool:

But you forgot to rob them.

:cool:

[Nice Rollin]

if texans dont trade, draft bush

if trade with jets, get either d-brick or super mario

if trade with 49ers, draft aj hawk or huff.
hufff???? wouldnt you rather have vernon davis

[Kerfeld]

Just remember, the Texans hold a lot of cards in this negotiation as well. Even if no money agreement is reached, they can still take him and force to hold out until he lowers his demands. It is not like we are going to the superbowl next year. Then the Bush camp would be stuck with no money, no endorsements, nada. What is Reggie going to do? pass on lets just say 25 million or try to hold out for the year. I think at the end of the day he will be a Texan.

[texanskan]

Chance post a link to your song!

It's time for the Houston Texans to start drafting Houston Texans to lead us to titles not no heart cali pretty boys!

Pick Vince Young Don't Mess Up this one!

[Jared Novak]

Who cares what the signing bonus is. Every one is acting like the money is comming out of thier own pockets. Draft him, and get a deal done. Its called negotiations. Its like buying a car, do you really pay sticker price? I'm sure a deal will get done at around 25 -27 million.

A higher amount of guaranteed money affects the rookie draft pool and the amount of cap space the Texans have. You're right its not my money or your money but Reggie Bush hasn't played one NFL minute, asking for $30 million is very steep. I definitely think you're right, the deal will probably get done with $25-27 million guaranteed. McNair wants an elite player that people will get excited about watching, I'm more convinced now then ever that Reggie Bush will be a Texan, especially with all the rumors running rampant.

[krocket]

I just don't see it happening. Someone is willing to pay him and SF comes to mind.swilkins, I believe that's exactly what I said, if Bush falls to SF because he scares off a couple of owners (and it wouldn't be the 1st time) there is a vast difference between #1 money and the money SF would offer, ie. net loss on draft day.

[swilkins]

swilkins, I believe that's exactly what I said, if Bush falls to SF because he scares off a couple of owners (and it wouldn't be the 1st time) there is a vast difference between #1 money and the money SF would offer, ie. net loss on draft day.

Why are we up at this time? :eek:

I'm saying that SF would trade up and pay that big money.

Bush will be the #1 pick. Bank on it.

[rocks_fan]

Huh. A New Orleans newspaper is saying that the #1 prospect in the draft may not go #1. And the New Orleans Saints are drafting #2. And they're looking to trade down. So they're going to want to drive up the desireability of their pick. Hmm. Let me connect a couple of dots here.

Just to get this straight, Reggie wants $30 million (high point). The Texans are offering something less than that (low point). This after Alex Smith signed a $24 million contract last year.

Yes that's high for an RB, but how exactly is this an outrageous demand for the #1 pick? His agent is floating the $30 mill as the ceiling of the negotiation process. Figure the Texans start somewhere around/a bit below Smith, and we end up with somewhere around $27 million. For a guy who's been called "the next Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers" and "the best prospect in 20 years". Figuring ticket sales (suites, season tickets), merchandise sales, and general excitement around the league he would create if he lives up to half of his hype, and his contract isn't that bad.

But please, don't let me stop everyone from complaining about how we should draft a guy at #1 who'd be sitting the bench for at LEAST a year, someone whom if he wasn't from Houston wouldn't be getting anywhere near the buzz, and someone who might actually cause a problem on the team (what happens if Carr has a bad game right off the bat and everyone in the stands starts calling for Young? Someone ends up ticked off.)

Look at all these mock drafts. Where is everyone putting him at? A couple at 3, some at 4, and quite a few at 7. It seems that a lot of people might be overestimating VY a little bit. I'm not saying that Vince MIGHT become a great QB in time. I'm just saying that Reggie would be a better pick for the Texans.

[MadMax]

Look at all these mock drafts. Where is everyone putting him at? A couple at 3, some at 4, and quite a few at 7. It seems that a lot of people might be overestimating VY a little bit. I'm not saying that Vince MIGHT become a great QB in time. I'm just saying that Reggie would be a better pick for the Texans.

is that a product of where VY actually ranks...or does that have more to do with the needs of the teams picking? NOLA ain't taking a QB...neither is SF. that has him falling, by necessity, to at best #3. but that doesn't speak to his ranking among other players.

[Raven Lunatic]

For all you people who say you won't trade down unless we are offered a king's ransom...would you trade down if we are offered something much LESS than a king's ransom, but Bush is being entirely unreasonable in his contract demands?

What if, say, Bush and his camp are not budging on the 30 mil thing (this is assuming it is a true report, everyone else seems to be) and we haven't gotten any big time trade offers. Personally, I would rather trade down for a package as small as the Jets two first round picks and a 4th rounder if that is the alternative to drafting Mario Williams with the #1 spot in order to avoid the headache if Bush tries to hold out. To me, this years draft being what it is, there are a LOT smaller packages I would be happy accepting for a trade down since there are so many elite players. We could trade down to the Jets for their two first round picks and something else (small) and still get an elite player plus a starter with their later 1st. I don't know, just seems like a good deal to me.

[rhester]

This is all good for the Texans-

If Jets have interest, if SF has interest, it only drives up the trade value. The next move the Texans should make is talk to Tennessee and Green Bay about possible trades to leverage the Jets and SF.

The more interest in Reggie Bush the better. I never thought any team would trade up to #1 for a running back. Especially one who is a situational player.

If the Jets or SF are not smart enough to stay put- all the better for the Texans. Get the best deal and trade the pick, we have too many needs and this is a deep draft.

[Harrisment]

From Profootballtalk.com

Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700

Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.

[Fegwu]

I guess some of y'all don't know how negotiations work. :rolleyes:

I get your point - and it makes sense. Team Bush is just following the age long philosophy of negotiation of starting high. That should not necessarily turn the Texans off. But the key is to see if a deal can be worked out by Monday otherwise if Mario Williams agrees to a much lesser fee, I think the Texans will blink.

One thing that struck me from the interview Reggie Bush gave to Rich Lord [sp?] and "The Voice" when he paid a visit to Houston was his parting words.

Bush said that being number pick is important to him but "not at a discount".

I do not know what that means but we will surely know before Wednesday if being number 1 is that important to him. Obviously [and rightfully], the money part is usually more important - this he has to realize that getting top notch money is only in the number pick slot. The number one pick sets the bar.

[reggietodd]

From Profootballtalk.com

Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700

Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.

sounds like the 30mil rumor was just a rumor like everything else has been concerning this draft.

[rrj_gamz]

sounds like the 30mil rumor was just a rumor like everything else has been concerning this draft.

Rumor or damage control...It is a negotiation, but still, the number doesn't just come out of nowhere...If they did request, I would imagine they'd take less, but not much less, hence the dilema...

[reggietodd]

Rumor or damage control...It is a negotiation, but still, the number doesn't just come out of nowhere...If they did request, I would imagine they'd take less, but not much less, hence the dilema...

Well according to Bush, on Rome yesterday he said the Texans told him they were drafting him, I highly doubt he would just make that up and I doubt the Texans would say that and not actually do it. UNLESS the contract issue stops them.

I think this pretty much puts to rest the 3-month long debate about who the Texans want to draft.

[gucci888]

Bush said on Rome that the Texans told him they were drafting him. If thats true, then the only way they won't draft him is if they can't come to terms concerning money. I expect them to do whatever it takes to sign him unless its just completely unreasonable. 30mil for someone of his caliber isn't unreasonable.

Texans for Bush in 06

30M for a rookie RB is unheard of, let alone being anywhere near reasonable. Like one article posted, this would essentially make Bush one of the highest paid RBs in the league. Adding his contract w/ DD's extension locks up A TON of money in our backfield, which seems unecessary since RB has been one of our more solid positions in this franchise, and the fact that Kubiak has had success w/ lesser backs.

I know you're a Bush fan, I'll admit I've been kind of excited about drafting Bush as of late, but saying 30mil for someone who hasn't even stepped on a NFL field isn't unreasonable is kind of ridiculous.

[mateo]

Bush goes #1 no matter what.

Then we have the next few hours to trade him if we find the right offer.

[JumpMan]

Texans need to make up their mind, they've been on the clock for weeks now, make up your mind, and stop pulling all these smoke screens, it makes no sense with the #1 pick. UNLESS you're willing to trade it, in that case they don't feel that Reggie Bush is this can't miss player, or they feel that #1 pick money for a RB/WR/KR is too much. There's something going on here for sure...

[KingCheetah]

A week before the draft and we have had zero negotiations with Bush...

Yeah, drafting Bush looks like a top priority for the Texans.

[rhester]

Texans need to make up their mind, they've been on the clock for weeks now, make up your mind, and stop pulling all these smoke screens, it makes no sense with the #1 pick. UNLESS you're willing to trade it, in that case they don't feel that Reggie Bush is this can't miss player, or they feel that #1 pick money for a RB/WR/KR is too much. There's something going on here for sure...

I really believe the Texans want to trade the pick. It is just a matter of getting a big offer. They aren't going to trade for less than 3-4 very quality picks or players.

They are looking for a sweet heart deal. They might get it and they WILL pull the trigger.

[Groogrux]

Texans need to make up their mind, they've been on the clock for weeks now, make up your mind, and stop pulling all these smoke screens, it makes no sense with the #1 pick. UNLESS you're willing to trade it, in that case they don't feel that Reggie Bush is this can't miss player, or they feel that #1 pick money for a RB/WR/KR is too much. There's something going on here for sure...

The only time they have to have their mind made up is 11:15 on 4/29. Even then, they may not have it made up. It's a huge decision, one that could affect this team for year's. I don't want them to rush to a decision just to reach one.

[JumpMan]

Techinically, you're right, but negotiations usually happen before the draft with teams that have the #1 pick, UNLESS they want to trade it. In the Vick draft the Chargers decided to trade it after Vick's people told them what it would take to get him signed, maybe the Texans are doing the same thing? In this case they know Bush doesn't want to sign at a discount rate, that means he wants AT LEAST the 25 million Smith got last season, maybe that's too much for them.

[Raven Lunatic]

Texans need to make up their mind, they've been on the clock for weeks now, make up your mind, and stop pulling all these smoke screens, it makes no sense with the #1 pick.

I think it makes perfect sense. If we as fans can't tell from reports or rumors who it is exactly the Texans are targeting, then odds are other teams can't either...which means that if NO really wanted Bush, or Williams, or D'Brick, etc. then they might not be willing to just assume the Texans would not take that player. While it does seem obvious that we want Bush, I think the conflicting reports about negotiations and whatnot will end up working in the Texans favor. When we got David Carr, a contract was worked out before the draft even started. There was no mystery whatsoever what would happen, and as a result, I would imagine the Texans didn't get jack squat in the way of trade proposals.

[rocks_fan]

is that a product of where VY actually ranks...or does that have more to do with the needs of the teams picking? NOLA ain't taking a QB...neither is SF. that has him falling, by necessity, to at best #3. but that doesn't speak to his ranking among other players.

But Vince isn't even the highest rated QB this year by most accounts. Leinart is. Shoot, for a while Cutler was pushing Young for the #2 QB spot.

[JumpMan]

Ok, but that would mean that the Texans don't mind risking Reggie Bush, with Carr they knew they wanted him over Harrington and Peppers so they took him without risking him.

[pgabriel]

funny thing is the last time they had the number one pick they had carr signed it seemed a month before the draft.

the new blood in the organization is already making its presence felt.

[Major]

Well according to Bush, on Rome yesterday he said the Texans told him they were drafting him, I highly doubt he would just make that up and I doubt the Texans would say that and not actually do it. UNLESS the contract issue stops them.

I think this pretty much puts to rest the 3-month long debate about who the Texans want to draft.

Of course, the Texans have flat out said that they haven't told anyone that they are being drafted, so at least one side is lying. Beyond that, the Texans would be complete idiots to tell Reggie they were drafting him before solidifying contract talks, because it gives him that much more leverage.

[reggietodd]

Of course, the Texans have flat out said that they haven't told anyone that they are being drafted, so at least one side is lying. Beyond that, the Texans would be complete idiots to tell Reggie they were drafting him before solidifying contract talks, because it gives him that much more leverage.

Well if he is just outright lying then I think that says a lot about his character. I really doubt he would lie about that. If he is, then I don't think very highly of him, from a character standpoint. What do you think?

[Major]

Well if he is just outright lying then I think that says a lot about his character. I really doubt he would lie about that. If he is, then I don't think very highly of him, from a character standpoint. What do you think?

I tend to agree. However, one side or the other (Casserly or Bush) is lying here, unless there is a huge misunderstanding. But regardless, there's no way the Texans would have honestly told someone that they have yet to have contract discussions with that they are fully committed to him.

[franchise403]

In listening to the zone in austin this morning, They said that 100% percent reggie bush is the texans guy and they are in contract negotiations and texans managment doesn't want a situation like Ced benson and Chicago last year.

They said that trading the pick for anything less than the 4th pick(Jets) in the draft absolutely won't happen unless it is a monster deal. The last thing that was mentioned was that the texans had to take one of the "Super blue chippers" which were Reggie, Dbrick or Supermario. The texans have Reggie on the top of their draft board and he is the man they covet.

[pgabriel]

who is the zone?

[Harrisment]

In listening to the zone in austin this morning, They said that 100% percent reggie bush is the texans guy and they are in contract negotiations and texans managment doesn't want a situation like Ced benson and Chicago last year.

They said that trading the pick for anything less than the 4th pick(Jets) in the draft absolutely won't happen unless it is a monster deal. The last thing that was mentioned was that the texans had to take one of the "Super blue chippers" which were Reggie, Dbrick or Supermario. The texans have Reggie on the top of their draft board and he is the man they covet.

Was this just speculation or did they have real information?

[robbie380]

who is the zone?


talk radio station here in austin

[Blatz]

who is the zone?

http://www.sportsradio1300.com/main.html

[gucci888]

Was this just speculation or did they have real information?

Probably speculation. I don't really like listening to the zone. If what they say is true, we probably would have heard it somewhere else by now.

[Drewdog]

Drafting Mario makes no sense to me. We just signed that Weaver guy to a huge contract.

What up with that?

[KAS13]

Probably speculation. I don't really like listening to the zone. If what they say is true, we probably would have heard it somewhere else by now.


They are taking Reggie, no question about it. Since they have decided to pass on VY there is no way those guys will walk out alive if they don't pick Bush. Reliant Stadium will be burnt to the ground if they take Williams or Brick over Bush or VY

[gucci888]

Drafting Mario makes no sense to me. We just signed that Weaver guy to a huge contract.

What up with that?

We just also gave DD a huge extension last summer as well.

I understand your point but Weaver isn't a rushing DE, he never has been. While I do have some faith in Peek and a tiny bit in Babin, both of these guys have yet to play DE in the NFL.

For a team who ranked last in sacks last season, you would think they need to at least consider fixing that first rather than fixing a running game that has never been broke. Despite missing a couple games, DD almost ran for another 1000 yards for the 3rd time in 3 years.

[gucci888]

They are taking Reggie, no question about it. Since they have decided to pass on VY there is no way those guys will walk out alive if they don't pick Bush. Reliant Stadium will be burnt to the ground if they take Williams or Brick over Bush or VY

Sounds like there a lot of questions marks to me. While I still think we'll pick Bush, I don't think it's as clear cut as you think it is.

Wasn't Bob McNair that said you can't consider public sentiment when making these decisions? While that may have been aimed at VY, it could easily mean the same thing for Bush. IF Bush did ask for $30M, maybe it opened up McNair's, Kubiak, CC's eyes that trading down for Mario and more picks would be better for the team. If that's the case, then the Texans shouldn't balk at it in fear of public outcry for Bush.

[askball]

Just reported on Sportscenter that Team Bush and the Texans officially exchanged contract proposals for the first time Friday. Also, as part of their two-a-day feature, they mentioned that the Texans should look at Winston, Demeco Ryans, and Davin Joseph (I believe) with their 2nd round pick.

[JumpMan]

'Bout time!

[reggietodd]

Its about time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2417167

The Houston Texans and the agent for Southern California tailback Reggie Bush on Friday exchanged contract proposals for the first time, and spent part of the day in long-distance talks aimed at reaching an agreement before the start of the draft, ESPN.com learned through multiple league sources.

While the exchange of numbers does not necessarily signal that the Texans have decided they will select the Heisman Trophy winner with the first overall pick on April 29, it is still a significant step. Because they own the first choice, the Texans are free to negotiate with any of the prospects, and there is a chance they are conducting similar talks with North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the other player Houston has been considering as a candidate for the top spot.

But league sources said Friday night that, while there has been dialogue with Williams' agent, Houston has not made a contract proposal.

Houston general manager Charley Casserly said earlier this week the Texans likely would not settle on a top pick until next week. Like most teams, the Texans are deep into their draft evaluation meetings, which will continue this weekend. Despite the public stance of Houston executives throughout this week, that they had not yet decided on the top pick, the consensus remains that Bush will be the No. 1 selection.

The Texans have yet to receive any firm offers from other teams trying to trade up to the top spot.

The events of Friday followed a Thursday discussion in which the two sides broached contract parameters for the first time. None of the sources contacted Friday had knowledge of any of the financial details of the proposals exchanged earlier in the day. Bush said Thursday that rumors he was seeking $30 million in guarantees were erroneous, and reiterated at the time that no numbers had been discussed.

Bush's agent, Joel Segal, was traveling Friday evening. He could not be immediately reached and did not return messages left on his cell phone. It is not believed, though, that Segal is headed to Houston for face-to-face negotiations. The discussions on Friday were conducted via phone and fax, with Segal at home in Miami for much of the day.

Segal told ESPN.com last week that "it would be the ultimate for both sides" to have an agreement in place before the draft begins. It does not appear, sources said, that an agreement is imminent based on the Friday discussions. And Segal indicated last week, too, that he felt negotiations would be complicated.

Even with the recently approved extension to the collective bargaining agreement, there are still several restrictions that will call for creativity from the Texans and whoever is the first choice in the draft.

In the last 10 drafts, the top overall choice has reached a contract agreement before the start of the lottery on three occasions. Houston agreed with the top choice in the 2002 draft, quarterback David Carr, before the draft commenced. The other No. 1 overall selections who had deals in place before the draft began were Tim Couch of Cleveland in 1999 and Carson Palmer of Cincinnati in 2003.

[percicles]

Its about time.

Does this mean you'll be sleeping in your USC #5 jersey tonight?
Sweet dreams reggie.

[VesceySux]

$30 million? If this is true, who the hell does Bush think he is? We've moved waaaay beyond the realm of ridiculous and straight into "Sage Rosenfels Land."

I sincerely hope Bush is aware that the Texans rookie salary pool is for ALL the rookies drafted this year, not just himself. Geez. Who's his agent? This guy?

http://www.ctgilles.net/images/pictars/dr.evil_one_miliion_dollars.jpg

[Harrisment]

$30 million? If this is true, who the hell does Bush think he is? We've moved waaaay beyond the realm of ridiculous and straight into "Sage Rosenfels Land."

I sincerely hope Bush is aware that the Texans rookie salary pool is for ALL the rookies drafted this year, not just himself. Geez. Who's his agent? This guy?

http://www.ctgilles.net/images/pictars/dr.evil_one_miliion_dollars.jpg



The 30 million number has been disputed in several articles by Bush and his camp.

[Fegwu]

Just reported on Sportscenter that Team Bush and the Texans officially exchanged contract proposals for the first time Friday.

Yeah...as well as with Team Williams. First to balk.


They are taking Reggie, no question about it.

You know, it is always better to avoid using or going the route of "absolutes" - it makes heart break a little more easy to handle.

Of course that statemenet you made is not accurate. The Texans would love to have Bush but it has to be a mutual thing where both sides "agree'. So with that said...anything can happen.

What is it with people with "absolutes" (and I am trying hard to make sure I avoid them)? Why must we use words like "will", "must", "ever", "never", "definitely" and other similar ones in situations like these?

Why can't we humbly use more centered words like "may", "likely", "could", "possibly", etc.? Is it some sort of macho thing or are we making ourselves into some sort of demi gods?

Well that is off my chest now - I will on my part try to be prudent with words in order to reflect humility at all times. This is not a sermon rather a sincerely observation/opinion that fellow civilized people are allowed to exchange.

[reggietodd]

Does this mean you'll be sleeping in your USC #5 jersey tonight?
Sweet dreams reggie.

Nah i'm more mature than that, and am not really a USC fan. I do, however want whats best for my hometown team, the Texans. Plus, why sleep with my Bush jersey now? I've known they were drafting him all along, i'm not dillusional, remember?

Grow up.

[reggietodd]

You know, it is always better to avoid using or going the route of "absolutes" - it makes heart break a little more easy to handle.civilized people are allowed to exchange.

In case you haven't noticed Kas13 seems to know what hes talking about when it comes to the Texans. He attends press conferences, and seems to have a bit more inside information than the rest of us. At least his posts have proven that so far.

Fegwu, aren't you one of the VY crazies? ............. Figures.

[Fegwu]

Fegwu, aren't you one of the VY crazies? ............. Figures.

No I am not - you must be confusing me for someone else.

Even if KAS13 is Bob McNair it is still silly to use absolutes unless you are God. It is always wise to leave room for the unknown. Bob McNair, CC and Kubiak cannot even "guarantee" you who they will pick (Bush, Ferguson or Williams or whoever) but they can "propose" to choose anyone. The safe thing to do is always leave room for the unkown - it shows wisdom, prudence and humility.

What is wrong with saying that "there is a 99% chance that the Texans will selected and keep Bush as their first pick"?

Hopefully, I am reaching someone out there.

cheers.

[Raven Lunatic]

[rant]What is it with people with "absolutes" (and I am trying hard to make sure I avoid them)? Why must we use words like "will", "must", "ever", "never", "definitely" and other similar ones in situations like these?


it is always better to avoid using or going the route of "absolutes" - it makes heart break a little more easy to handle.


Of course that statemenet you made is not accurate. The Texans would love to have Bush but it has to be a mutual thing where both sides "agree'. So with that said...anything can happen.

You macho bastard.

[mateo]

Someone please post the text of the Vince Young ad that Matress Mac put in the Chronicle....the letter from "Holly F"

[swilkins]

Someone please post the text of the Vince Young ad that Matress Mac put in the Chronicle....the letter from "Holly F"

Why am I not surprised about this?

Mac knows he stands to make money, if we draft VY.

Reggie Bush wouldn't be caught dead doing Gallery commercials.

[Fegwu]

You macho bastard.

You cannot [sic] be that dumb....or could it be that I missed the sarcasm? You have been here long enough so I will give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you probably forgot to insert a smiley. I hope you read my initial post on this subject.

Cheers.

[Major]

Well if he is just outright lying then I think that says a lot about his character. I really doubt he would lie about that. If he is, then I don't think very highly of him, from a character standpoint. What do you think?

Just FYI, he just said on PTI that the Texans have not directly told him that he'd be their pick, but they have given him "indications".

[Raven Lunatic]

You cannot [sic] be that dumb....or could it be that I missed the sarcasm? You have been here long enough so I will give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you probably forgot to insert a smiley. I hope you read my initial post on this subject.

Cheers.

Yes, I read the initial post, and yes, it was a joke. I am one of those on the board that likes to keep hope alive that the world hasn't gotten so touchy that you need to put smilies on every single joke you tell so that you don't get flamed for it.

I don't know, maybe that makes me "dumb."

[KAS13]

No I am not - you must be confusing me for someone else.

Even if KAS13 is Bob McNair it is still silly to use absolutes unless you are God. It is always wise to leave room for the unknown. Bob McNair, CC and Kubiak cannot even "guarantee" you who they will pick (Bush, Ferguson or Williams or whoever) but they can "propose" to choose anyone. The safe thing to do is always leave room for the unkown - it shows wisdom, prudence and humility.

What is wrong with saying that "there is a 99% chance that the Texans will selected and keep Bush as their first pick"?

Hopefully, I am reaching someone out there.

cheers.


I'm just relaying the information I get to fellow Houston fans. I did the same with rookie workouts with the Rockets and so forth. You can choose to take the information of you can choose not to. That's completely up to you. Check my track record, the only thing I've been wrong about has been when I predicted USC to beat UT. I have never given incorrect information otherwise (unless it was an opinion).

That being said, I'll agree with you somewhat. Nothing is guranteed I guess. The Texans are taking Bush unless something drastic happens (like the ridiculous rumour that the Jets were trading the first 4 rounds of their draft for the #1). For what it's worth, everyone I've talked to has said we're taking Reggie. We love Mario but we're taking Reggie. To be blatantly honest, we aren't even getting that many offers for the #1 pick (everyone is trying ot get NO's pick). Our asking price is extremely high and NO is much more willing to move. Even so, they are just as likely to grab Mario or Brick and not pull the trigger on a deal. Oakland is really the main team trying to move up right now. The Jets would like too but theyare slowly realizing that they are probably better served staying where they're at.

[Jeff]

That being said, I'll agree with you somewhat. Nothing is guranteed I guess. The Texans are taking Bush unless something drastic happens (like the ridiculous rumour that the Jets were trading the first 4 rounds of their draft for the #1). For what it's worth, everyone I've talked to has said we're taking Reggie. We love Mario but we're taking Reggie.

I don't have a lot of "insider" friends, but I do have friends who work in the media including the sports media. I asked a couple of them yesterday what they thought. One didn't know at all, but I kind of expected that response. The other said that unless something CRAZY happens before the draft - and given that the Texans are seriously asking for the moon for the #1 pick, that would seem unlikely - they are absolutely taking Reggie Bush.

Several people who work for the Texans have said exactly what KAS13 said above, "We love Mario, but we are taking Reggie." One apparently said that they just could not pass him up because he grades higher anyone in the past several drafts according to scouts and personnel guys, many of whom aren't even working for the Texans.

[KAS13]

I don't have a lot of "insider" friends, but I do have friends who work in the media including the sports media. I asked a couple of them yesterday what they thought. One didn't know at all, but I kind of expected that response. The other said that unless something CRAZY happens before the draft - and given that the Texans are seriously asking for the moon for the #1 pick, that would seem unlikely - they are absolutely taking Reggie Bush.

Several people who work for the Texans have said exactly what KAS13 said above, "We love Mario, but we are taking Reggie." One apparently said that they just could not pass him up because he grades higher anyone in the past several drafts according to scouts and personnel guys, many of whom aren't even working for the Texans.


That's exactly right. The Texans basically want 3 #1's for Bush or something to that effect. That type of deal just isn't on the table. The Jets aren't doing it, the 49ers (even with Bush next year) are going to be way to bad to risk giving up next year's number 1 (especially when they already love Vernon Davis) and there aren't any other logical teams for us to deal with. The Texans aren't willing to deal out of the "for sure" prospect range.

There isn't a single person I've talked to who doesn't think Williams is going to be an impact defender and an unbelievable player. They just can't pass on Reggie for a variety of reasons. He's one of the highest graded prospects ever, they already have so many people who want them to take VY they don't want the PR nightmare, and while they think Williams is great picking him first wouldn't be getting the correct value out of this year's number 1 pick. It's just the way it is. Reggie's the guy unless some team makes us a really stupid offer (and so far it hasn't even been close). The "we're negotiating" with several teams is simply a ploy to try to generate more interest in the pick. NO is the team everyone wants to deal with because 3 teams in the top 10 really want a QB and Cutler's stock is beginning to drop as fast as it rose.

[Jeff]

He's one of the highest graded prospects ever, they already have so many people who want them to take VY they don't want the PR nightmare, and while they think Williams is great picking him first wouldn't be getting the correct value out of this year's number 1 pick.

It's funny you say that because on of my friends told me a number of people in the organization really like Williams and think he would, in some ways, make more sense than paying a running back #1 pick money with another already in the fold getting paid, but that everyone is very concerned about the backlash not taking Bush would create if they already passed on VY. Apparently, McNair is chief among those concerned.

Plus, as you said, when they had meetings, there was NO ONE that graded Bush as anything but the #1 talent in the draft, some by a fairly wide margin, and that he graded higher than anyone in recent memory. I guess they not only compare other picks in this draft, but they do sort of a mock draft history and compare picks to previous drafts as well.

[KAS13]

It's funny you say that because on of my friends told me a number of people in the organization really like Williams and think he would, in some ways, make more sense than paying a running back #1 pick money with another already in the fold getting paid, but that everyone is very concerned about the backlash not taking Bush would create if they already passed on VY. Apparently, McNair is chief among those concerned.

Plus, as you said, when they had meetings, there was NO ONE that graded Bush as anything but the #1 talent in the draft, some by a fairly wide margin, and that he graded higher than anyone in recent memory. I guess they not only compare other picks in this draft, but they do sort of a mock draft history and compare picks to previous drafts as well.


The Texans know this is a business too. Passing on VY has already caused ads in the paper campaigning for him, radio and media backlash, ect..... The media has spent so much time convincing our fans Bush is the guy that if we didn't pick him the fans would go crazy. We would have to be a Playoff team to get the attendance a Bush or Young would generate. Your exactly right in what you said, a lot of people inside the organization believe Williams could have a huge impact on our team and is exactly what we need. They realize though that after having Bush and VY shoved down their throats for a year now that the casual fan won't be able to understand using the number 1 pick on a DE (even though that same fan will call in this year and complain if we aren't getting sacks).

You're on point about the grading system. They said it's been a long time since any prospect was graded this highly and consensusly number 1 everywhere with two potential franchise QB's in the draft. They review everything when it comes to drafting this highly.

[Fegwu]

That's exactly right. The Texans basically want 3 #1's for Bush or something to that effect. That type of deal just isn't on the table. The Jets aren't doing it, the 49ers (even with Bush next year) are going to be way to bad to risk giving up next year's number 1 (especially when they already love Vernon Davis) and there aren't any other logical teams for us to deal with. The Texans aren't willing to deal out of the "for sure" prospect range.

There isn't a single person I've talked to who doesn't think Williams is going to be an impact defender and an unbelievable player. They just can't pass on Reggie for a variety of reasons. He's one of the highest graded prospects ever, they already have so many people who want them to take VY they don't want the PR nightmare, and while they think Williams is great picking him first wouldn't be getting the correct value out of this year's number 1 pick. It's just the way it is. Reggie's the guy unless some team makes us a really stupid offer (and so far it hasn't even been close). The "we're negotiating" with several teams is simply a ploy to try to generate more interest in the pick. NO is the team everyone wants to deal with because 3 teams in the top 10 really want a QB and Cutler's stock is beginning to drop as fast as it rose.

I know your track record and I consider you one of the insiders that we trust. I am even 90-95% sure that the Texans will draft Bush because that is who they want. It was just the your statement came accross to me - like experience has thought us, I try to always be deliberate when attempting to predict the future because we have all seen "sure things" change in the last minute. In this case if it changes, I hope it it Williams.


Raven Lunatic, my utmost sincerely apologies. I obviously misunderstood you. :)

[KAS13]

I know your track record and I consider you one of the insiders that we trust. I am even 90-95% sure that the Texans will draft Bush because that is who they want. It was just the your statement came accross to me - like experience has thought us, I try to always be deliberate when attempting to predict the future because we have all seen "sure things" change in the last minute. In this case if it changes, I hope it it Williams.


Raven Lunatic, my utmost sincerely apologies. I obviously misunderstood you. :)


I understood where you were coming from. I know nothing is ever for sure but the Texans picking Bush is about as close as it gets (unless everyone in their organization is lying).

[Harrisment]

Kas I didn't realize you were an insider....what is your affiliation with the Texans? Do you work for them, media, or what?

[Jeff]

Kas I didn't realize you were an insider....what is your affiliation with the Texans? Do you work for them, media, or what?

I'm guessing that if he told us that, he'd be risking his ability to continue to be an insider. :)

[nWo34Life]

Well, Bongo from the Texans Message Board reports that Bush is going to get 5 year, $24.6 mil - they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done. They are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.

[The Real Shady]

Well, Bongo from the Texans Message Board reports that Bush is going to get 5 year, $24.6 mil - they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done. They are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.

From HoustonTexans.com:
i got word Reggie's agents have asked him to come to Houston because it appears the deal is close to done...............5 yrs at 24.6 in guarranteed cash............they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done.............and they are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.................looks like you guys truly now own the best RB in the AFC South.....................Mario and Bricks agents have leaked this because now Loomis is on the clock.............many are looking to see what happpens now with slot two.............................congrats.

Looks like we got a good deal with Bush. That's right at where Alex Smith signed for.

[jtotheb]

If this is credible info, then I'm stoked. Let's get this done and get on the same page again. Some parts of the last few months have been pretty cool....but it's time for peace, love and Bush.

[Jeff]

I heard last night on the ESPN draft special that Bush's deal could be completed early Friday. I heard a couple of things this morning that lead me to believe that ESPN is right and now the thing from the Bongo dude.

[KAS13]

I'm guessing that if he told us that, he'd be risking his ability to continue to be an insider. :)


That would be correct.

[SamFisher]

That would be correct.

He's charley Kasserly.

[KAS13]

He's charley Kasserly.


Nice. Anyways, we are very close to being done with Bush. It's just a matter of time. The plan is exactly as Jeff said, to announce it on Friday. Regardless, Bush will be the number pick come Saturday. Trade talks with other teams are almost non existant right now.

[KingCheetah]

I think the Texans are more interested in Mario now.

[KAS13]

I think the Texans are more interested in Mario now.


No, they're drafting Young. It's all a big smoke screen. He will play for free because he can live off the royalties from his BET reality show (I pray he doesn't really do that).

[reggietodd]

Nice. Anyways, we are very close to being done with Bush. It's just a matter of time. The plan is exactly as Jeff said, to announce it on Friday. Regardless, Bush will be the number pick come Saturday. Trade talks with other teams are almost non existant right now.

Excellent news. Also sounds like we are getting a fair deal for Bush as well. Thanks for all the updates KAS. You have been the voice of reason throughout all of this. IMO

[Jeff]

Nice. Anyways, we are very close to being done with Bush. It's just a matter of time. The plan is exactly as Jeff said, to announce it on Friday. Regardless, Bush will be the number pick come Saturday. Trade talks with other teams are almost non existant right now.

From all that I've heard, it appears that all the major negotiating points (years, total dollars, etc) are done and they are down to the details. It would make sense that Bush's agents would be heading down to dot the i's and cross the t's.

[KAS13]

Excellent news. Also sounds like we are getting a fair deal for Bush as well. Thanks for all the updates KAS. You have been the voice of reason throughout all of this. IMO

No problem.

[KAS13]

From all that I've heard, it appears that all the major negotiating points (years, total dollars, etc) are done and they are down to the details. It would make sense that Bush's agents would be heading down to dot the i's and cross the t's.


That's exactly right. They are going to finish it off and get it attept to get it approved by Friday. McNair really wants to have Bush under contract before the draft. That's why he's taken a much more active role in this proess then ever before. The Texans feel that after coming off such a terrible season that having Reggie under contract immediately when we draft him will be great PR for the team.

[KingCheetah]

I think the Texans are more interested in Mario now.

I should have said Kubiak [and his coaches] are more interested in Mario now.

[KAS13]

I should have said Kubiak [and his coaches] are more interested in Mario now.


Kubiak, just like everyone else in the organization loves Mario. The fact remains that Bush is the guy (that came from upstairs) and Kubiak has no problem with Bush either. Kubiak likes both guys. That's all I really know on that situation. I've heard some conflicting stuff but nobody really knows (at least not any of us) who Kubiak likes better. That's something that's going to be kept extra private.

[Raven Lunatic]

Interesting that Kubiak really likes Mario, being that Kubiak is historically an offensive-minded guy. I would have thought he would be drooling over the possibilities of the Bush matchups so much as to pay little attention to the defensive guys (well, not little attention, but really only cursory attention).

[KAS13]

Interesting that Kubiak really likes Mario, being that Kubiak is historically an offensive-minded guy. I would have thought he would be drooling over the possibilities of the Bush matchups so much as to pay little attention to the defensive guys (well, not little attention, but really only cursory attention).


They love them both. I haven't heard Kubiak prefers one over the other (just that McNair does). I think that's pure specualtion

[updawg]

well at least they should have a good negotiating stance with Bush's house fiasco going on.