Bush not a lock at #1

[Rox_fan_here]

Just saw off of the NFL Network:

Draftees are up, down and all around


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

(April 17, 2006) -- For the first time, there is legitimate reason to think that USC running back Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up in Houston, the city that currently holds the No. 1 overall pick.


Reggie Bush could still go to Houston, or another team, at No. 1
This does not come from one source or from one team. This comes from multiple sources, from across the league, without any agenda to push.

The mounting evidence includes this:

As of Monday, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. None.

Yet the Texans have approached North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, trying to see if he would be receptive to discussing a deal.

But the evidence goes beyond contracts. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back. This might not be unusual, but if the organization was convinced it was taking a certain player, it should be rolling out the welcome mat with everyone trying to make the player feel as at home as possible. This, according to those who know Bush, did not happen.

Then there is the simple and significant matter of need. Within the past year, the Texans signed running back Domanick Davis to a long-term extension. They also drafted wide receiver Jerome Mathis, the return man who went to the Pro Bowl during his rookie season. The Texans know they have a dependable running back and return man, the two spots Bush fills.

Houston's greater need is at defensive end, and, just as much, at left tackle, a position that could be filled by Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is expected to go in the top four picks.

Yet whether Houston winds up with Williams or Ferguson is unknown. What is known is that Bush no longer is a lock for Houston.

As a person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."


http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9381854

[texanskan]

Can anyone say Smokescreen?

[RocketFan007]

Can anyone say Smokescreen?

It's not a smokescreen when it's coming from Bush's people.

[The Real Shady]

The biggest mistake this franchise can make is if they don't do one of the following threeoptions. Take Reggie Bush #1, take VY #1, or trade down. If they take Mario with the #1 pick expect a riot to breakout during the draft party in Houston.

This city is basically divided on the two players, imagine if they don't select either of them.

[Jared Novak]

The Texans are covering their bases.

Bush and his camp probably want too much money or way more than what the Texans are willing to shell out, so in case the Texans move down they have terms with Williams.

[RocketFan007]

The biggest mistake this franchise can make is if they don't do one of the following threeoptions. Take Reggie Bush #1, take VY #1, or trade down. If they take Mario with the #1 pick expect a riot to breakout during the draft party in Houston.

This city is basically divided on the two players, imagine if they don't select either of them.

Exactly, they can't take Ferguson or Williams at #1.

[texanskan]

The biggest mistake this franchise can make is if they don't do one of the following threeoptions. Take Reggie Bush #1, take VY #1, or trade down. If they take Mario with the #1 pick expect a riot to breakout during the draft party in Houston.

This city is basically divided on the two players, imagine if they don't select either of them.

It would be a perfect storm that would end up with Reliant stadium being torn down!

[LongTimeFan]

Exactly, they can't take Ferguson or Williams at #1.

Or Vince.

[RocketFan007]

Or Vince.

To be honest, I don't think Vince is anywhere in the picture. Even if they trade down, it'll be either Williams or Ferguson.

[Jeff]

I still don't get the deal with Davis. That guy hasn't shown in his entire time in the league that he can make it through a season injury-free. What makes anyone think it will be any different this year AND who exactly is going to back him up? Morency? Riiiiiight.

[RocketFan007]

I still don't get the deal with Davis. That guy hasn't shown in his entire time in the league that he can make it through a season injury-free. What makes anyone think it will be any different this year AND who exactly is going to back him up? Morency? Riiiiiight.

Morency looked good in his limited playing time last season, and we can resign Jonathon Wells. The beauty of the Broncos scheme, is that you can put anyone back there and they can rush for more than 1000 yards, you dont have to have a stud RB.

[Chuck 4]

The beauty of the Broncos scheme, is that you can put anyone back there and they can rush for more than 1000 yards, you dont have to have a stud RB.

Having Denver's Offensive Line helps too...

[texanskan]

Having Denver's Offensive Line helps too...

Bingo!

[RocketFan007]

Having Denver's Offensive Line helps too...

Dominick Davis hasn't had a problem running behind our offensive line. We haven't had problems when it comes to run blocking.

[H-Town Info]

run blocking is not much of a problem.

but, pass blocking is pittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttiful.

[RocketFan007]

run blocking is not much of a problem.

but, pass blocking is pittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttiful.

Agreed.

[msn]

Oh LOOK, another Bush/Young thread....

[texanskan]

Smokescreen!

I'll take one battle red Vince jersey!






















Well maybe not, there taking Bush yall just chill out.

[mogrod]

This is some writer for NFL.com?

Sounds like the league is trying to drum up at least a small amount of drama leading up to the pick.

And really, does it really matter if some of the organization didn't meet him while he was in town? McNair, Casserly and the coaching staff including (especially) Kubiak did. That is all who matter anyway. Hell, he said they went over the freaking playbook together and how they will use him for crying out loud.

It has always been Bush and will be Bush. Any story or talk otherwise is just the Texans TRYING to get some advantage going into contract negotiations.

[gucci888]

This is some writer for NFL.com?

Sounds like the league is trying to drum up at least a small amount of drama leading up to the pick.

And really, does it really matter if some of the organization didn't meet him while he was in town? McNair, Casserly and the coaching staff including (especially) Kubiak did. That is all who matter anyway. Hell, he said they went over the freaking playbook together and how they will use him for crying out loud.

It has always been Bush and will be Bush. Any story or talk otherwise is just the Texans TRYING to get some advantage going into contract negotiations.

I think the main thing is that the Texans haven't even started negotiations w/ Bush. Like you said, it could just be the Texans trying to get some advantage. Or maybe they are seriously considering about trading down.

Probably a smokescreen though.

[Aceshigh7]

They had better take Bush. After this atrocious season that us fans had to endure, I think we deserve to get a marquee player in this draft. And they don't come any better or more highly rated than Bush.

[IC2000]

Just saw off of the NFL Network:

Draftees are up, down and all around


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

(April 17, 2006) -- For the first time, there is legitimate reason to think that USC running back Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up in Houston, the city that currently holds the No. 1 overall pick.


Reggie Bush could still go to Houston, or another team, at No. 1
This does not come from one source or from one team. This comes from multiple sources, from across the league, without any agenda to push.

The mounting evidence includes this:

As of Monday, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. None.

Yet the Texans have approached North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, trying to see if he would be receptive to discussing a deal.

But the evidence goes beyond contracts. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back. This might not be unusual, but if the organization was convinced it was taking a certain player, it should be rolling out the welcome mat with everyone trying to make the player feel as at home as possible. This, according to those who know Bush, did not happen.

Then there is the simple and significant matter of need. Within the past year, the Texans signed running back Domanick Davis to a long-term extension. They also drafted wide receiver Jerome Mathis, the return man who went to the Pro Bowl during his rookie season. The Texans know they have a dependable running back and return man, the two spots Bush fills.

Houston's greater need is at defensive end, and, just as much, at left tackle, a position that could be filled by Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is expected to go in the top four picks.

Yet whether Houston winds up with Williams or Ferguson is unknown. What is known is that Bush no longer is a lock for Houston.

As a person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."


http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9381854

I talked to someone in real estate in houston today, told me bush's fiance purchased property in Houston.

[Baqui99]

I talked to someone in real estate in houston today, told me bush's fiance purchased property in Houston.

No sh*t? Guess it's a done deal then.

[Kam]

wheres he living? lets go egg his house.

[stevel]

I talked to someone in real estate in houston today, told me bush's fiance purchased property in Houston.

I heard a guy call in to 610am the other day and said the same thing, that Bush's fiance was looking into property in the Houston area. Take that for what it is worth. I love Bush and would be happy if we got him, but I would certainly examine some of the trade possibilities in the thread I started the other day.

[Groogrux]

While I'm excited about Bush, I think our offense could still be much improved if we went defense with our first round pick. Sure, Davis hasn't made it through an entire season, but the last couple of season when he's been out, Wells has stepped in nicely. Our line is not bad at run blocking and like someone else has pointed out, Denver never had a problem plugging in guys at the RB position.

I, for one, would find it hilarious to see the Bushies throw a hissy fit after they've criticized the VY-only fans who have threatened to do the same thing.

Instead of getting worked up about it, as Texans fans, we should all realize that we're pretty much in a no-lose situation here. We'll either take Reggie Bush with the first pick or stock up some draft picks to take a stud DE or stud OL. Quit whining already.

[Raven Lunatic]

While I still see it as a highly unlikely scenario, Mario Williams as the #1 pick is about the only guy I can see getting selected by the Texans OTHER than Bush. Partly because he fills a much bigger need, partly because if he turns out to be dominant, like Julius Peppers dominant, he will likely have just as big an impact on this team as Bush will. And partly because the last time a potentially dominant defensive end was available at #1 when the Texans had the pick, they went with an offensive player (granted not nearly as highly rated as Bush is) and I think they regret that (though they'd never admit it). So I don't think it is necessarily a smokescreen, but odds are still better it will be Bush's name called out 11 days from now, and not Super Mario.

[desihooper]

Someone is going to have to provide some answers as to why they paid Weaver so much money if they draft Super Mario. That's a ton of money tied up on the DLine. The number grows if you include Gary Walker's cap hit and the contract that Peek is going to sign as a first round tender. :eek:

Also, they signed Payne to a FA contract last year and Robeast the year before that!!

If they're going to spend that much money on the Defense, feel free to spread it out some and get us a secondary who can cover!!

[gr8-1]

This is some writer for NFL.com?

Sounds like the league is trying to drum up at least a small amount of drama leading up to the pick.



It has always been Bush and will be Bush. .

Exactly.

No sh*t? Guess it's a done deal then.

I think it is, but the house thing has no bearing on my opinion. I heard Larry Brown was looking for homes here when Rudy T was fired.

[Nice Rollin]

he's a lock...

[VooDooPope]

I'm still hoping it will be VY.

I'd be happy with Bush.

I'd be happy with MWilliams or Dbrick if we trade down a few spots.

But I'm still hoping for VY.

[gunn]

Just saw off of the NFL Network:

Draftees are up, down and all around


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


Adam Schefter's "Around the League" reports and commentaries can be seen regularly on NFL Total Access.

(April 17, 2006) -- For the first time, there is legitimate reason to think that USC running back Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up in Houston, the city that currently holds the No. 1 overall pick.


Reggie Bush could still go to Houston, or another team, at No. 1
This does not come from one source or from one team. This comes from multiple sources, from across the league, without any agenda to push.

The mounting evidence includes this:

As of Monday, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. None.

Yet the Texans have approached North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, trying to see if he would be receptive to discussing a deal.

But the evidence goes beyond contracts. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back. This might not be unusual, but if the organization was convinced it was taking a certain player, it should be rolling out the welcome mat with everyone trying to make the player feel as at home as possible. This, according to those who know Bush, did not happen.

Then there is the simple and significant matter of need. Within the past year, the Texans signed running back Domanick Davis to a long-term extension. They also drafted wide receiver Jerome Mathis, the return man who went to the Pro Bowl during his rookie season. The Texans know they have a dependable running back and return man, the two spots Bush fills.

Houston's greater need is at defensive end, and, just as much, at left tackle, a position that could be filled by Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is expected to go in the top four picks.

Yet whether Houston winds up with Williams or Ferguson is unknown. What is known is that Bush no longer is a lock for Houston.

As a person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."


http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9381854

I think it is all BS posturing. The Miami Dolphins last year did not even bring in Ronnie Brown to work out, instead bringing in Ced Benson in an attempt to throw other teams off. They said that there was no need to bring him in because they already knew what he was about.

on a side note: draft Vince Young!

[swilkins]

Just saw off of the NFL Network:

Draftees are up, down and all around


By Adam Schefter
Special to NFL.com


... The Texans know they have a dependable running back...

http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9381854

Effective when healthy? - Yes.

Dependable? - No

[Castor27]

If you are the Tecans with the needs that they have and could possibly strike a deal with another team, would you want everyone thinking you were 100 % taking Bush? Or are you going to start some propaganda, that you may be looking elsewhere, to boost potential trade scenarios? I'm thinking the Texans are still pretty hot on Bush, but are surely not so stupid that they wouldn't be considering other offers. All the "Bush may not be a lock" talk is just fuel to get teams to sweeten any potential deals.

[MadMax]

If you are the Tecans with the needs that they have and could possibly strike a deal with another team, would you want everyone thinking you were 100 % taking Bush? Or are you going to start some propaganda, that you may be looking elsewhere, to boost potential trade scenarios? I'm thinking the Texans are still pretty hot on Bush, but are surely not so stupid that they wouldn't be considering other offers. All the "Bush may not be a lock" talk is just fuel to get teams to sweeten any potential deals.

i'm thinking you tell the world that Reggie Bush is the greatest football player you've ever seen and it's gonna take a dynamite offer to get you to part for the chance to take him. that drives up trade value more than being wishy-washy.

[pgabriel]

the problem with bush as the top pick is he is gonna want top pick money, that usually is reserved for qbs or some spectacular defensive player.

[gucci888]

the problem with bush as the top pick is he is gonna want top pick money, that usually is reserved for qbs or some spectacular defensive player.

I don't think that is a problem at all. Bush is definitely worthy of #1 pick money. But with that said, the Texans are gonna have a lot of money locked up at 1 position, the 1 position that was never a glaring hole for us.

[Rule0001]

the hell he isn't lol.

Bush is going #1, move along people.

[ROXRAN]

the hell he isn't lol.

Bush is going #1, move along people.

Thank-you! :)

[Chuck 4]

Bush is going #1, move along people.

Wish I had you guys confidence. I have been fearing the trade down since the second that game against the Niners was over. Yes, trading down & getting more picks makes sense. But I want a freaking marquee player for this franchise. A playmaker. Someone people outside of Houston know about. Bush may be the so called "Sexy Pick", but I can live with that. I think we trade down minutes before our turn on the 29th... :rolleyes:

[underoverup]

Can anyone say Smokescreen?


copy and paste from that texans message board................. ;)


i really hope we take vince or reggie because if we passed on both and they both turned into superstars we would never hear the end of it. :eek:

[Mr. Clutch]

copy and paste from that texans message board................. ;)


i really hope we take vince or reggie because if we passed on both and they both turned into superstars we would never hear the end of it. :eek:

And what if Mario Williams turns into a superstar?

[Castor27]

i'm thinking you tell the world that Reggie Bush is the greatest football player you've ever seen and it's gonna take a dynamite offer to get you to part for the chance to take him. that drives up trade value more than being wishy-washy.
But if teams think you are so high on him then they are going to assume you want way more then they are willing to offer right now. Or they're thinking if he is so great then why are you even listening to offers (I know that one is a little far fetched). But seriously it is all posturing. The real offers won't come in until right before the draft and the Texans don't want to show their cards yet. Which ultimately means they need teams to think they might take someone else, and that they are interested in trading down fo rthe right deal.

[MadMax]

But if teams think you are so high on him then they are going to assume you want way more then they are willing to offer right now. Or they're thinking if he is so great then why are you even listening to offers (I know that one is a little far fetched). But seriously it is all posturing. The real offers won't come in until right before the draft and the Texans don't want to show their cards yet. Which ultimately means they need teams to think they might take someone else, and that they are interested in trading down fo rthe right deal.


in my experience, the first rule of negotiation is to start high. start with the notion that "you'll always listen to offers...but..you're really happy with (alternate outcome)."

i'm not saying this means the Texans are NOT taking Bush. but i'm suggesting that traditional negotiation doesn't start from the point of...wow...we're a little bit in disarray. we can't even get this guy to the table to talk money.

[Raven Lunatic]

Wish I had you guys confidence. I have been fearing the trade down since the second that game against the Niners was over. Yes, trading down & getting more picks makes sense. But I want a freaking marquee player for this franchise. A playmaker. Someone people outside of Houston know about. Bush may be the so called "Sexy Pick", but I can live with that. I think we trade down minutes before our turn on the 29th... :rolleyes:

That's the thing. The Texans could trade down to as low as 7th, and there is still a good chance the guy they draft is a marquee player. This draft is so deep, it has three guys in it that would be considered #1 pick material probably any other year. Bush is not just the consensus best player in this years draft, he is one of the highest rated college players ever. If we got Mario Williams, D'Brick, Hawk, Vernon Davis or any of the other three I think there is a good chance they become marquee players. That's awesome to me, because I don't think the Texans would trade down any lower than 7 anyway, and it guarantees whoever we get in the first round will be someone I can get excited about.

[rrj_gamz]

All good points, but a smokescreen...

[Fegwu]

i'm thinking you tell the world that Reggie Bush is the greatest football player you've ever seen and it's gonna take a dynamite offer to get you to part for the chance to take him. that drives up trade value more than being wishy-washy.

Exactly.

With the right to pick first, you drive up the market for the Bushes, Youngs and Leinerts just in case someone wows you with a great cant-say-no deal.

Why would this be smokescrean? We are picking first. Someone explain the logic to me ecause what Cator27 and a few others have done so far is not convincing to say the least. Teams are not that crazy about Bush as we may like to think - at least I have not seen it on paper. So our front offices' lukewarm attitude does not help. My sense of this all is that many people do not see Bush as special for one reason or the other.

Personally I would like to see us trade down. I love Bush's game but I still fail to see his ultimate value to this team when put into perspective what Mario or D'Brick could bring for a very long time. Now If we did not sign Moulds, I would have liked it more but.....I have cooled off on the Bush lust long time ago.

[Castor27]

Teams are not that crazy about Bush as we may like to think - at least I have not seen it on paper.



Actually that is kind of my point. Talking up Bush IMO isn't going to make a big difference. If you talk like Bush is the next coming, some teams are going to say good, draft him at #1 and pay him. There are 7-8 other players we like as much or better than him, that we'll draft come our turn. This draft is different than most because there are 4-5 guys you could draft with the first pick and no one is going to say man why did that guy go #1. The way it looks to me is that the Texans would seriously consider moving down a couple of slots and getting a few extra picks and still drafting a quality player. The problem is the teams that are potential trade partners know that they don't have to do any manuevering and they'll still get a potential superstar. They don't really need to move up for Bush. I'm with you in the fact that I wouldn't mind seeing them move down a few spots and get some picks and still get a good player. The problem is the teams right now that are looking to move up are outside the top 7 and after the top 6-7 players the talent level takes a drop.

[wesnesked]

I love Bush's game but I still fail to see his ultimate value to this team when put into perspective what Mario or D'Brick could bring for a very long time. Now If we did not sign Moulds, I would have liked it more but.....I have cooled off on the Bush lust long time ago.

Are you kidding? I guess scoring TD's are over rated, because that is what this guy does. What does Mario bring that is so much of more value than scoring? Mario is a rush end, thats it. He's a super athelete and is sure to bring a couple of sacks, but thats about it. As far D'Brick goes, I'm all for having a really good OT, but everybody said the same thing about Gallery 2 years ago and he still hasn't preformed up to his draft position, there are plenty of good teams out there that don't have top 5 drafted OT's, and sure the same thing can be said about RB's, but Reggie is one of the the higheset touted prospects ever according to more than one scouting service. If he was just a RB I could see your point, but this guy is a super offensive weapon and can open up so much for the offense. Thats is what you call value

[gucci888]

Are you kidding? I guess scoring TD's are over rated, because that is what this guy does. What does Mario bring that is so much of more value than scoring? Mario is a rush end, thats it. He's a super athelete and is sure to bring a couple of sacks, but thats about it. As far D'Brick goes, I'm all for having a really good OT, but everybody said the same thing about Gallery 2 years ago and he still hasn't preformed up to his draft position, there are plenty of good teams out there that don't have top 5 drafted OT's, and sure the same thing can be said about RB's, but Reggie is one of the the higheset touted prospects ever according to more than one scouting service. If he was just a RB I could see your point, but this guy is a super offensive weapon and can open up so much for the offense. Thats is what you call value

Good post. But to say Mario is just a rush end is a little silly. Elite DE's can anchor defenses for years, look at what Pepper's has done for the Panthers, Rice for the Bucs. They do more than just get a couple of sacks, if they are good (which Mario is projected to be), they could literally limit where an offense runs the ball and the type of passing plays they want to use.

I agree w/ almost everything you said about Bush. But if you're talking about TDs, spending a #1 pick on Bush wouldn't make as much sense as trading down and picking up White or D. Williams later in the 1st Round.

[stevel]

Are you kidding? I guess scoring TD's are over rated, because that is what this guy does. What does Mario bring that is so much of more value than scoring? Mario is a rush end, thats it. He's a super athelete and is sure to bring a couple of sacks, but thats about it. As far D'Brick goes, I'm all for having a really good OT, but everybody said the same thing about Gallery 2 years ago and he still hasn't preformed up to his draft position, there are plenty of good teams out there that don't have top 5 drafted OT's, and sure the same thing can be said about RB's, but Reggie is one of the the higheset touted prospects ever according to more than one scouting service. If he was just a RB I could see your point, but this guy is a super offensive weapon and can open up so much for the offense. Thats is what you call value

It is also important to note there are several good quality OTs in the draft. my question is in D'Brick head and shoulders above Winston, Scott, McNeil, Colledge all guys that could be there in rounds 2 or 3?

With regards to Williams, getting a pass rush is really important but I am not sure you can trade back and still get him as I am pretty sure NO takes him at 2. I love the thought of extra picks but I am not sure that will happen unless they have 5 guys targeted and don't care whom they end up with in round 1. This could certainly be the case - Bush, D'brick, Davis, Hawk or even Huff could all look good in a Texan uniform if the compensation package for moving down is sweet enough.

[ipaman]

SF just aquired a 1st round pick from denver. they now have 2 first round picks.

reggie bush as said his 1st choice team would be SF. SF might be setting up for a move to 1. i think they have the 22nd and 6th pick now.

maybe those 2 plus next years 1st to get hawk at 6?

[reggietodd]

SF just aquired a 1st round pick from denver. they now have 2 first round picks.

reggie bush as said his 1st choice team would be SF. SF might be setting up for a move to 1. i think they have the 22nd and 6th pick now.

maybe those 2 plus next years 1st to get hawk at 6?

I thought of the exact same thing when I saw that Trade. SF needs a Running Back, Bush wants to stay in California, Bush played high school ball with Alex Smith, I could see this happening. Bush to SF almost just sounds right. SF may be the winner of the Bush bowl afterall.

[Drewdog]

My absolute dream draft day would be:

Draft Bush.

Impeach the other.

[rezdawg]

Are you kidding? I guess scoring TD's are over rated, because that is what this guy does. What does Mario bring that is so much of more value than scoring? Mario is a rush end, thats it. He's a super athelete and is sure to bring a couple of sacks, but thats about it. As far D'Brick goes, I'm all for having a really good OT, but everybody said the same thing about Gallery 2 years ago and he still hasn't preformed up to his draft position, there are plenty of good teams out there that don't have top 5 drafted OT's, and sure the same thing can be said about RB's, but Reggie is one of the the higheset touted prospects ever according to more than one scouting service. If he was just a RB I could see your point, but this guy is a super offensive weapon and can open up so much for the offense. Thats is what you call value

DE can be the most crucial part of a defense. You cant underestimate the impact of a stud pass rushing DE. Its not only about a sack here and there...they have an impact on the opposing teams passing on every play, even if they dont register a sack (By hurrying the QB, taking on an extra blocker, etc...)

As far as the SF trade is concerned, I think its pretty interesting. There was no realy reason for it...unless they have something in mind...like trading up...

[Fegwu]

Are you kidding? I guess scoring TD's are over rated, because that is what this guy does.

What are you talking about? Are you referring to Bush? What TDs? The one you imagined?

This past season, he only scored 18 TDs if I am not mistaken (16 of those from the ground). Now compare that to White who garnered 26 TDs (24 rushing). LenDale has scored more TDs in the last 2 years than Reg. Now you can dissect that stat all you want but it is what it is - we can go into the semantics of those statistics.

Maybe you should learn to check to see if what you utter is the real truth or an imagined one.

I will not try to be politically correct and harp the same mash mellow stuff people have been waxing for sometime now - Reggie Bush is overrated. I was in love for a long time until I looked closer and it dawned on me; Bush is NOT special (not what the media and our fans have made him out to be) and it will be unfortunate for us to draft him.

We have been here before - drawing fantasy plays and creating one sided imaginations. I will not be fooled by the pull of emotion and desperation to just accept that Reggie will be something special. I stand by my assertion and I will be very willing to eat crow. If we can collective look at this Bush talk really closely we will realize the hidden truth that our emotions and other factors have so far disguised from seeing that drafting Bush will be an avoidable liability.

I have to say something though - that Reg does have something going for him i.e. the electricity factor. Other than that I do not think he will be a winner in the NFL from the body of work I have examined so far. Nothing is absolute, just my strong opinion.

I say all of this because all have annointed him #1 almost overwhelmingly. My hope is that we balk on him and make the prudent choice of trading down. I hope the folks in our front office is sane enough to realise this.

[gr8-1]

. . Someone people outside of Houston know about. :


Why is this part important? And, isn't Carr our marquee franchise player?

[what]

While I agree with the whole idea that bush is probably the best pick, I don't think that the texans will be able to get Mario Williams if they do, so I can see how he could be considered the #1 pick.

Part 1: Mario, if available at pick 2, will likely go to the saints.


Part 2: If the Texans trade down, the only potential partners are the Titans and the Jets. More likely the jets. At pick 4, the texans will only have d'brickashaw with Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush going 1st and 3rd.

Conclusion: Either take Mario with pick 1, or get d'brickshaw and a late first round pick, and maybe picking up Lendale White with the pick.

Is that worth trading pick? I don't think so. I think it should be either Williams, Bush, or bust.

Actually I am hoping the titans somehow get a chance to take Williams.

That might happen if the Jets trade up for Leinart and Texans take Bush. Man, Mario would put the titans defense over the top.

[giddyup]

What are you talking about? Are you referring to Bush? What TDs? The one you imagined?
Let me try your style:

Are you obtuse? What he means is Big Play ability. White's 26 TDs averaged 3 yards per TD while Bush's 18 TDs averaged 14 yards per TD. Now that's a playmaker!

BTW, my stats are totally fabricated... but representative.

[stevel]

What are you talking about? Are you referring to Bush? What TDs? The one you imagined?

This past season, he only scored 18 TDs if I am not mistaken (16 of those from the ground). Now compare that to White who garnered 26 TDs (24 rushing). LenDale has scored more TDs in the last 2 years than Reg. Now you can dissect that stat all you want but it is what it is - we can go into the semantics of those statistics.

Maybe you should learn to check to see if what you utter is the real truth or an imagined one.

I will not try to be politically correct and harp the same mash mellow stuff people have been waxing for sometime now - Reggie Bush is overrated. I was in love for a long time until I looked closer and it dawned on me; Bush is NOT special (not what the media and our fans have made him out to be) and it will be unfortunate for us to draft him.

We have been here before - drawing fantasy plays and creating one sided imaginations. I will not be fooled by the pull of emotion and desperation to just accept that Reggie will be something special. I stand by my assertion and I will be very willing to eat crow. If we can collective look at this Bush talk really closely we will realize the hidden truth that our emotions and other factors have so far disguised from seeing that drafting Bush will be an avoidable liability.

I have to say something though - that Reg does have something going for him i.e. the electricity factor. Other than that I do not think he will be a winner in the NFL from the body of work I have examined so far. Nothing is absolute, just my strong opinion.

I say all of this because all have annointed him #1 almost overwhelmingly. My hope is that we balk on him and make the prudent choice of trading down. I hope the folks in our front office is sane enough to realise this.

Trading down is looking less and less like a possibility. An NY paper had an article stating that the NYJs aren't interested in moving down. The Titans really have no reason to move up. I doubt the Texans would want to move out of the top 4. There are 5 studs in the draft, and two of them I don't think the Texans will take, ML and VY. Moving down would take a huge package of picks and or players and I am not sure the offer will be there.

Regarding Bush, I find this quote of yours humorous:

"Reggie Bush is overrated. I was in love for a long time until I looked closer and it dawned on me; Bush is NOT special (not what the media and our fans have made him out to be) and it will be unfortunate for us to draft him."

Unless you have actual game film of him that you can stop, rewind, watch in slow motion, and unless you know the design and intent of each play, it would be difficult to believe that you have gleaned some "new" knowledge about him that leads you to believe he will be a bust. If Bush ends up being Faulk, Sayers, LT ect... he is absolutely worthy of the top pick. He will get bigger, stronger, and better. He is only a junior and he will continue to mature until about 25 years of age (in terms of size and strength), and the only real knock on him has been his size.

[Fegwu]

I talked to someone in real estate in houston today, told me bush's fiance purchased property in Houston.

She must have left Bush for Mario Williams.

Sad :mad:

[SamFisher]

She must have left Bush for Mario Williams.

Sad :mad:

Maybe she just rented it for free like Reggie's parents do.

[Fegwu]

Maybe she just rented it for free like Reggie's parents do.

:D :D :D

[KingCheetah]

I talked to someone in real estate in houston today, told me bush's fiance purchased property in Houston.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/kchee/unlikely.jpg

[HaYnBoi]

She must have left Bush for Mario Williams.

Sad :mad:
Video Link (http://www.subwayfreshbuzz.com/default.aspx)

I beleive this is her. Click on Blog, then video then Reggie's favorite breakfast. Those pancakes actually look pretty good.