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stevel
04-17-2006, 02:00 PM
According to eastcoastsportsnews.com, the NYJs are supposedly interested in possibly moving up to take Bush, here's the link, read the blurb for 4/14:
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html
Since the Jets are switching to a 3-4, would you guys have any interest in trading our 1st for their 1st and the 29th plus Vilma?
reggietodd
04-17-2006, 02:03 PM
I'm pretty sure all teams outside of the chargers(LT), seahawks(alexander), and possibly KC(Larry Johnson) are seriously interested in Bush.
But no, I wouldn't do that trade you are proposing.
Saint Louis
04-17-2006, 02:14 PM
The Texans should just take Bush and be done with it. I am intrigued with the offensive with A. Johnson, Moulds, Putzier, D. Davis and R. Bush. Both Davis and Bush could be used out of the backfield as a third receiver in motion.
RocketFan007
04-17-2006, 02:27 PM
According to eastcoastsportsnews.com, the NYJs are supposedly interested in possibly moving up to take Bush, here's the link, read the blurb for 4/14:
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html
Since the Jets are switching to a 3-4, would you guys have any interest in trading our 1st for their 1st and the 29th plus Vilma?
The Jets aren't going to trade Vilma, forget it. I've seen #4, #29 and their second round pick for #1.
DaDakota
04-17-2006, 02:38 PM
The Jets aren't going to trade Vilma, forget it. I've seen #4, #29 and their second round pick for #1.
Wow, that would help fill a lot of holes......
DD
gucci888
04-17-2006, 02:44 PM
I'm pretty sure all teams outside of the chargers(LT), seahawks(alexander), and possibly KC(Larry Johnson) are seriously interested in Bush.
But no, I wouldn't do that trade you are proposing.
You wouldn't trade the #1 for #4 + #29 + Vilma (Best LB in the NFL)?
Like 007 posted, the Jets aren't going to trade Vilma, but a package of the
#4 + #29 + #35 picks is pretty good IMO, especially when you add in the #33 we have.
With these picks, you could get a combo of #4 (Mario, VY, D'Brick) + #29 (Jonathan Joseph, Lawson, Carpenter, Maroney, White) + #35 (Mangold, Moss, D'Qwell Jackson).
kaleidosky
04-17-2006, 02:55 PM
With these picks, you could get a combo of #4 (Mario, VY, D'Brick) + #29 (Jonathan Joseph, Lawson, Carpenter, Maroney, White) + #35 (Mangold, Moss, D'Qwell Jackson).
You left out the 33 you had just mentioned..so relaly that's 2 players of the last group you mentioned.
It'd be a hell of an offer to consider...and it makes sense. But after all this I have my heart set on Bush and that sickness..and the thought of the offense that could be. It's hard to fathom anything outside of a sure thing (i.e. Vilma) that would make me change my mind. Even then, it'd be a mind changing where I'd hafta do it, but still wouldn't really want to
Since Bush's people said he would work out for the Jets "just in case," every paper in NYC and on the east coast has been speculating about the Jets trading with the Texans to get to number 1, but there is no way the Texans trade out of number 1 unless it is a MAJOR deal and the Jets aren't offering that.
The rumors started when one of the NYC papers combined Bush's visit with Casserly saying "we are looking at our options" in terms of a trade. Combine that into "the Jets are trading for Reggie Bush" and you sell papers.
In addition, if you go by the draft ranking system that awards points to picks (and most teams do), even if the Jets gave us their two first round picks AND their second round pick, it wouldn't be enough to equal the number one in terms of point values. They would still have to give up a good player or an additional pick and I can't see them doing that.
Bag0b0y
04-17-2006, 03:16 PM
According to eastcoastsportsnews.com, the NYJs are supposedly interested in possibly moving up to take Bush, here's the link, read the blurb for 4/14:
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html
Since the Jets are switching to a 3-4, would you guys have any interest in trading our 1st for their 1st and the 29th plus Vilma?
The only trade offer I would accept is the jets entire first day draft and their number 1 next year. For this year we would then have 2 number 1's and draft ferguson, 2 2nd rounders, and 3 3rd rounders. That's 7 possible starters/ 2nd stringers plus bargaining power for next year's draft to get adrian peterson who imo is as good if not better than reggie bush.
LonghornFan
04-17-2006, 03:16 PM
The Jets would have to move up to the Texans first overall pick and put together a tempting package for the Texans to consider the move...the Jets certainly have the ammunition to do so since they own both the 4th and 29th overall picks in the Draft and packaging both along with the teams second round pick would accomplish the task according to the NFL trade value chart
Now that would be tempting.
I'd hit it.
Raven Lunatic
04-17-2006, 03:17 PM
If the Jets make a good offer, trading to the #4 spot is the best thing we could do, in my opinion. At that spot, assuming Jets take Bush and Titans take one of either Young or Leinart, then we are guaranteed to have either Williams or D'Brick available at our spot...both guys that would seriously help this team...plus whatever else we get in trade. Sure, I'm getting more and more excited about Bush on this team...but I think I could get just as excited about Super Mario or D'Brick.
rezdawg
04-17-2006, 03:24 PM
Now that would be tempting.
I'd hit it.
Pooper.
That trade would be great for us. As much as I would love to have Bush, having picks 4, 29, 33, 35, and the first 2 picks of the 3rd round...thats just a perfect recipe to get this team some quality players on both sides of the ball.
Major
04-17-2006, 03:25 PM
If this offer is on the table, you take it in a heartbeat, in my opinion. You get basically two bottom 1st / top 2nd round picks to drop <I>3 spots</I> in the draft. For a team that has holes everywhere, that's a major step forward. You take your defensive end or offensive tackle and start rebuilding your line, and you get two other quality players to fill major holes without having to spending ridiculous amounts in free agency, and without having the mess of a huge level of salary tied up in running backs.
JamesC
04-17-2006, 03:31 PM
I'm getting more and more excited about Bush on this team...but I think I could get just as excited about Super Mario or D'Brick.
I'd be let down if we came away with one of those two. I'm not taking anything away from them as football players, but like I've said before its Bush, Young or bust in my opinion. If they did make a trade they'd have to get Vilma or I wouldnt do it.
Baqui99
04-17-2006, 03:34 PM
I don't see how you can turn this trade proposal down seeing as though Houston needs help everywhere. I think a swap for the #4, #29, and #35 could certainly fill some huge gaps. Not to mention, Bob McNair favors Vince Young, and he'd most likely get his guy at #4.
#4. Vince Young, QB OR D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT
#29. Ashton Youboty, CB
#35. Tamba Hali, DE
Not to mention, the Texans already have #33, which could be used on OT, Eric Winston. Of course, this is all wishful thinking as Casserly would find some scrub from Midwest Applachian Tech that he proclaims the next Steal of the Century.
RocketForever
04-17-2006, 03:40 PM
The Jets aren't going to trade Vilma, forget it. I've seen #4, #29 and their second round pick for #1.
So is Vince Young going to be available at #4? If yes, I'd do it.
Sorry I am still a Vince Young believer.
Joe Joe
04-17-2006, 03:41 PM
In addition, if you go by the draft ranking system that awards points to picks (and most teams do), even if the Jets gave us their two first round picks AND their second round pick, it wouldn't be enough to equal the number one in terms of point values. They would still have to give up a good player or an additional pick and I can't see them doing that.
The value chart I got has the value difference being roughly off by 0.3%. Recent Texan trade history doesn't show any more balanced trades. The TJ trade was about a plus 1-2% Texan advantage depending on how you treat inflation. The Babin trade was about a 10% advantage towards the Oilers.
rezdawg
04-17-2006, 03:51 PM
Okay, now I would definitely do this deal after I looked at what we can get. I'd do something like this...
#4 D'Brick (OT)
#29 Manny Lawson (OLB)
#31 Ashton Youboty (CB)
#33 D'Qwell Jackson or Abdul Hodge (MLB)
#35 Davin Joseph or Deuce Lutui (OG)
#65 Mathias Kiwanuka (DE)
#66 Ko Simpson (FS)
Thats just nothing but a sh!tload of talent there. We make our OLine much, much better with the best tackle in the draft and the 2nd best OG in the draft. We compliment Dunta Robinson with Ashton Youboty. We get 2 solid linebackers. A defensive end that absolutely wreaks havoc during a pass rush. Also toss in the 2nd best safety in the draft class behind Michael Huff.
Wow, im drooling now. Thats unreal. :eek:
Baqui99
04-17-2006, 04:03 PM
Okay, now I would definitely do this deal after I looked at what we can get. I'd do something like this...
#4 D'Brick (OT)
#29 Manny Lawson (OLB)
#31 Ashton Youboty (CB)
#33 D'Qwell Jackson or Abdul Hodge (MLB)
#35 Davin Joseph or Deuce Lutui (OG)
#65 Mathias Kiwanuka (DE)
#66 Ko Simpson (FS)
Thats just nothing but a sh!tload of talent there. We make our OLine much, much better with the best tackle in the draft and the 2nd best OG in the draft. We compliment Dunta Robinson with Ashton Youboty. We get 2 solid linebackers. A defensive end that absolutely wreaks havoc during a pass rush. Also toss in the 2nd best safety in the draft class behind Michael Huff.
Wow, im drooling now. Thats unreal. :eek:
Agreed, that's a badass draft. And each year, the day after the draft we all look at what we COULD HAVE drafted and what we ACTUALLY drafted, we're left scratching our heads. So, expect at least half, if not 3/4ths of those picks to be wasted on garbage.
rezdawg
04-17-2006, 04:11 PM
Agreed, that's a badass draft. And each year, the day after the draft we all look at what we COULD HAVE drafted and what we ACTUALLY drafted, we're left scratching our heads. So, expect at least half, if not 3/4ths of those picks to be wasted on garbage.
True, I would be much more confident if Charlie wasnt back there thinking of a Div III player that recorded 18 sacks in 10 games.
However, the potential to do great things with those picks is too good to pass up. I would have to pull the trigger on that type of deal, if presented with it.
RocketFan007
04-17-2006, 04:14 PM
Okay, now I would definitely do this deal after I looked at what we can get. I'd do something like this...
#4 D'Brick (OT)
#29 Manny Lawson (OLB)
#31 Ashton Youboty (CB)
#33 D'Qwell Jackson or Abdul Hodge (MLB)
#35 Davin Joseph or Deuce Lutui (OG)
#65 Mathias Kiwanuka (DE)
#66 Ko Simpson (FS)
Thats just nothing but a sh!tload of talent there. We make our OLine much, much better with the best tackle in the draft and the 2nd best OG in the draft. We compliment Dunta Robinson with Ashton Youboty. We get 2 solid linebackers. A defensive end that absolutely wreaks havoc during a pass rush. Also toss in the 2nd best safety in the draft class behind Michael Huff.
Wow, im drooling now. Thats unreal. :eek:
How did we get the Seahawks first round pick?
rezdawg
04-17-2006, 04:18 PM
How did we get the Seahawks first round pick?
LOL, we are just that tricky!!
My bad, my bad. I got carried away...but I'd still hit it.
Revised, I would take Youboty with pick 29.
Dubious
04-17-2006, 04:27 PM
The Trade (http://vikings.scout.com/2/11653.html)
The end results of the trade after 1992:
Vikings:
WR Jake Reed
Cowboys :
RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
CB Clayton Holmes
Joe Joe
04-17-2006, 04:34 PM
#31 Ashton Youboty (CB)
Where did the #31 pick come from?
Odds are that if the Texans make this trade, it will be a very interesting first draft day for Texans. They will be trading like madmen trying to squeeze an additional pick or two into the 2007 draft.
The 35 pick is in a pretty good trade down spot as throrectically you've already got who you like the best among the late 1st/early 2nd guys.
66 is also a potential traded pick if you can find a buyer. The Texans would need to have two guys that are above and beyond better than everyone else left in their opinion to try to keep this pick.
Baqui99
04-17-2006, 04:40 PM
True, I would be much more confident if Charlie wasnt back there thinking of a Div III player that recorded 18 sacks in 10 games.
However, the potential to do great things with those picks is too good to pass up. I would have to pull the trigger on that type of deal, if presented with it.
Giving that many draft picks to Casserly is like handing Stevie Wonder the keys to a Ferrari.
reggietodd
04-17-2006, 04:45 PM
Its funny that all the longhorn fans are the one who thinks this would be a great trade for the Texans (ie Major, Baqui99, gucci888). You guys just don't like Reggie Bush do you?
superden
04-17-2006, 04:46 PM
Giving that many draft picks to Casserly is like handing Stevie Wonder the keys to a Ferrari.
hahaha, I was just waiting for a post like that to come up.
BMoney
04-17-2006, 04:54 PM
If we have can't make a trade with the Jets I would pick Bush. There is no questioning his character, talent, or work ethic. He would pose the least risk. The main problem with Bush is his position and the fact that the Texans actually have an above average running game right now. The opportunity to add all of those picks in such a deep draft and still get a player like Young, Ferguson, or Williams- elite players at positions who are harder to fill- is pretty damn enticing.
rezdawg
04-17-2006, 05:02 PM
Its funny that all the longhorn fans are the one who thinks this would be a great trade for the Texans (ie Major, Baqui99, gucci888). You guys just don't like Reggie Bush do you?
I dont want Vince because I see no need for him. The reason I would support a trade down is because this is a very nice draft to have multiple picks. Would I rather have Bush, a runningback...or D'Brick (OT), Youboty (CB), and Jackson (MLB) or Joseph (OG). With Bush, we are taking a player that we do not necessarily need. With the 3 players we can get in exchange for him, we are taking starters at positions that are crucial to the development of this team.
Of course, if we stay put, I wouldnt think twice about it...Reggie all the way without a doubt. However, if a tempting offer comes up, as is being discussed here, its pretty hard to pass up a situation where you would have 4 of the first 35 picks in the draft.
swilkins
04-17-2006, 05:10 PM
Giving that many draft picks to Casserly is like handing Stevie Wonder the keys to a Ferrari.
I like the way you think. That's spot on. :D
halfbreed
04-17-2006, 05:22 PM
I wonder if this will turn into something where the Texans keep the pick and draft Reggie Bush, then tell the Jets that if a certain player is available at their selection that the deal will be done.
This way, the Texans are able to ensure that they won't be stuck with someone they aren't really interested in.
Major
04-17-2006, 05:46 PM
Its funny that all the longhorn fans are the one who thinks this would be a great trade for the Texans (ie Major, Baqui99, gucci888). You guys just don't like Reggie Bush do you?
I don't like picking running backs at #1, ever. Especially not when you have a coach who has a history of finding running backs later in the draft. They simply don't have long enough careers at an elite level - even if he lives up to the level of someone like Edgerrin James (leading the league in rushing multiple times, etc), after 7 years, Indy decided an elite running back just wasn't worth paying for. That would never happen with a QB, and is less likely for just about every other position in fiitbakk,
I don't think any running back is worth that kind of money. Vince Young would be fun, but if we want to win now, I think the smart pick has always been to move down and get the DE (or OT if Mario Williams is gone).
RocketForever
04-17-2006, 05:46 PM
According to eastcoastsportsnews.com, the NYJs are supposedly interested in possibly moving up to take Bush, here's the link, read the blurb for 4/14:
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html
Since the Jets are switching to a 3-4, would you guys have any interest in trading our 1st for their 1st and the 29th plus Vilma?
Is Chad Pennington going to be able to play effectively again? I remember he had a pretty serious injury in his throwing shoulder.
What about #1 pick, David Carr, 2007 3rd round pick for Jets #4, #29, Vilma, 2007 1st round pick?
Use the #4 on Vince Young, use the #29 on a WR. Fill a big hole at LB with Vilma. And then the Texans will also have 2 first round picks next year. Use both of them on OLs.
They are interested in Reggie. So let's rob them.
gucci888
04-17-2006, 06:17 PM
Its funny that all the longhorn fans are the one who thinks this would be a great trade for the Texans (ie Major, Baqui99, gucci888). You guys just don't like Reggie Bush do you?
Its even funnier that your only response is that we don't like Reggie Bush.
What about the trade offer? Would you not take it? This has nothing to do with being Longhorns, almost everyone in this thread (UT fan or not) has pointed out the merits to this speculative trade proposal.
Reggie Bush would be a great pick at #1. The question is whether he is worth more than combinations of: Mario Williams/D'Brick/VY + Youboty/Lawson/Carpenter/Maroney + Moss/D'Qwell/etc...
#1 + #33 <<<<<<<<< #4 + #29 +#33 + #35. Maybe you should take off the Bush goggles and realize that 4 early picks in a extremely deep draft is worth more than 2, even if Reggie is one of them.
IMO, a combo of Mario Williams + Maroney/White would be better for the team straight up over Bush. Then you add in a #35? I think it is a great deal.
Nice Rollin
04-17-2006, 06:20 PM
iosnt everyone?
FireBlizzard90
04-17-2006, 09:04 PM
i would only do it if it is #1 pick for Vilma #4 #35 an their third rounder, otherwise just hang up the call
CriscoKidd
04-17-2006, 09:15 PM
If the Jets want Reggie, I'd wait to deal til draft day.
Houston takes Reggie.
Saints take whoever.
And if Mario is still on the board when the Jets pick, do the trade people are suggesting.
Pick up a stud DE, a cb, a mlb, maybe OL. The texans need more help on d than O imo.
Chilly_Pete
04-17-2006, 09:17 PM
The Texans have to examine all of their options.
The Real Shady
04-17-2006, 09:19 PM
IMO, a combo of Mario Williams + Maroney/White would be better for the team straight up over Bush. Then you add in a #35? I think it is a great deal.
There is probably no chance the Texans will draft a RB in this draft unless it's Bush. They really don't need a runningback, but they will make an exception for Bush because he is a rare talent.
mateo
04-17-2006, 09:31 PM
I'm a big fan of trading down for the farm, and picking up a need (that by no means translates to VY at #4 and a WR at #29, btw)...but to be honest, we're less than two weeks from the draft and its all smoke and mirrors from here on out. Could get a bit frustrating for all of us.
On the bright side, the Astros are rallying, and thats damn entertaining.
gucci888
04-17-2006, 09:39 PM
There is probably no chance the Texans will draft a RB in this draft unless it's Bush. They really don't need a runningback, but they will make an exception for Bush because he is a rare talent.
Ya, I was just throwing in Maroney/White for those who feel DD needs help or whatever. Just making a point that there are some pretty good RBs that can be had w/ the #29.
Desert Scar
04-17-2006, 09:47 PM
If the Jets want Reggie, I'd wait to deal til draft day.
Houston takes Reggie.
Saints take whoever.
And if Mario is still on the board when the Jets pick, do the trade people are suggesting.
Pick up a stud DE, a cb, a mlb, maybe OL. The texans need more help on d than O imo.
I agree with the strategy. If no offers are great, keep Reggie and see what he has for the NFL. Maybe you got a player between Faulk/Sanders, or maybe you have a part time player who is good and can make some plays for you here and there, but is incredibly overpayed, but at least you can find out. He does have loads of athletic potential, so holding him isn't a bad move.
But if I can get Mario W, DBrick or Vernon Davis plus loads of other compensation (extra 07 1st + multiple other 1st day picks in 06 and 07)--I do it. Personally, I'd look to trade Bush to the 49ers (#6) and fleece them starting with adding one Vernon Davis with their pick (assuming DBirck and Williams are gone, I think a safe assumption). I think Vernon Davis may be the best value/most sure thing impact NFLer of ANY prospect. Then spend most the rest of the 06 and 07 picks on your defense.
BTW I am not changing my tune I think Vince Young has the most upside of any player--I still think this. But I am realistic with the Carr situation (big contract, no trade value, but the Texans still feel he has a good chance to be a good pro QB)-- VY or another QB isn't going to be drafted until the 2nd day if at all by the Texans.
CriscoKidd
04-17-2006, 10:23 PM
I agree with the strategy. If no offers are great, keep Reggie and see what he has for the NFL. Maybe you got a player between Faulk/Sanders, or maybe you have a part time player who is good and can make some plays for you here and there, but is incredibly overpayed, but at least you can find out. He does have loads of athletic potential, so holding him isn't a bad move.
But if I can get Mario W, DBrick or Vernon Davis plus loads of other compensation (extra 07 1st + multiple other 1st day picks in 06 and 07)--I do it. Personally, I'd look to trade Bush to the 49ers (#6) and fleece them starting with adding one Vernon Davis with their pick (assuming DBirck and Williams are gone, I think a safe assumption). I think Vernon Davis may be the best value/most sure thing impact NFLer of ANY prospect. Then spend most the rest of the 06 and 07 picks on your defense.
BTW I am not changing my tune I think Vince Young has the most upside of any player--I still think this. But I am realistic with the Carr situation (big contract, no trade value, but the Texans still feel he has a good chance to be a good pro QB)-- VY or another QB isn't going to be drafted until the 2nd day if at all by the Texans.
I really like Vernon. Think he's going to be special and one of the best players in the draft. I think equally high of Mario. Not so much on Dbrick.
The only problem with taking Bush first and fielding offers later is that there aren't too many teams at the top that are likely to give up a king's ransom for him. Jets are probably the closest to that.
Saints don't seem to want to move up and should still have Deuce.
Jets have extra picks in a deep draft. May be willing to offer future picks and their team wont be that good next year.
Titans seem content where they are.
Not sure about GB, but it doesn't seem to fit their style to give up a whole lot to move up for a rb.
Niners seem like a good candidate, but they don't have anything to fleece really. They don't have a lot of picks, they don't have much talent on their team, and are unlikely to give up a future 1st because they'll likely suck again next season.
Oakland paid big bucks to Lamont Jordan. Only significant thing they have to offer is next years 1st, but davis might just be crazy enough to do it.
Bills have McGahee and crap everywhere else(cept cb).
and down and down it goes. Really the Jets are the prime trading partner if the texans pick bush. And I would only want to trade there if it were for Mario.
It's funny that none of the teams would give up a ton to move up to get Bush, but would take him in a second if he fell to them. It's a testament as to how good the top of this draft is.
Jared Novak
04-17-2006, 10:32 PM
The only trade offer I would accept is the jets entire first day draft and their number 1 next year. For this year we would then have 2 number 1's and draft ferguson, 2 2nd rounders, and 3 3rd rounders. That's 7 possible starters/ 2nd stringers plus bargaining power for next year's draft to get adrian peterson who imo is as good if not better than reggie bush.
This is the deal that I make. Some may think its too steep, but if you want the next Gail Sayers/Barry Sanders/etc. then this is the price you pay to make me pass Reggie Bush up.
The coveted #1 pick for:
#4 (1st round)
#29 (1st round)
#35 (2nd round)
#68 (3rd round)
2007 1st round pick
If the Texans received this deal, my mock would look like this:
#4 - Mario Williams - DE - NC State
#29 - Manny Lawson - OLB - NC State
#33 - Eric Winston - OT - Miami
#35 - Leonard Pope - TE - Georgia
#65 - Ko Simpson - S - South Carolina
#66 - Brandon Williams - WR - Wisconsin
#68 - Kai Parham - MLB - Auburn
#98 - Demetrice Webb - CB - Florida
Doubt it will happen, but we can all wait and see.
Harrisment
04-17-2006, 10:53 PM
This is the deal that I make. Some may think its too steep, but if you want the next Gail Sayers/Barry Sanders/etc. then this is the price you pay to make me pass Reggie Bush up.
The coveted #1 pick for:
#4 (1st round)
#29 (1st round)
#35 (2nd round)
#68 (3rd round)
2007 1st round pick
If the Texans received this deal, my mock would look like this:
#4 - Mario Williams - DE - NC State
#29 - Manny Lawson - OLB - NC State
#33 - Eric Winston - OT - Miami
#35 - Leonard Pope - TE - Georgia
#65 - Ko Simpson - S - South Carolina
#66 - Brandon Williams - WR - Wisconsin
#68 - Kai Parham - MLB - Auburn
#98 - Demetrice Webb - CB - Florida
Doubt it will happen, but we can all wait and see.
Ok, that trade I just might be ok with. That's a hell of a lot for the Jets to give up though.
jopatmc
04-17-2006, 11:04 PM
Well, I figured this would come around at some point. I've been saying for several weeks that the Jets are susceptible to going after Bush with a boatload of picks and what not. Now, as we are getting closer to the draft, all this stuff starts coming out of the closet.
I'm telling you. If Vince Young is sitting there at 4 and NY offers a deal like what has been suggested, we'd be foolish not to take the deal and draft Vince. Forget Mario. He'll be great for 12 years or so. Once again, the QB position is much more valuable. Vince will get the cheeze for the next 15 years. He'll control more games single handedly than any other single player, Bush included.
rocketteen
04-18-2006, 01:02 AM
Most of you are so blinded that u forget that we already have a qb. Kubiak will get Carr to be productive. He's a helluva coach who's specialty is quarterbacks. Kubiak also wants his qb to throw to every spot on the field, not just to the TE or a back in the flats; Young is not his type of quarterback.
MadMax
04-18-2006, 09:12 AM
Most of you are so blinded that u forget that we already have a qb. Kubiak will get Carr to be productive. He's a helluva coach who's specialty is quarterbacks. Kubiak also wants his qb to throw to every spot on the field, not just to the TE or a back in the flats; Young is not his type of quarterback.
we already have a running back, too. hell, for that matter we already have every position on the field filled. there's just a bunch of them being fielded by average to below average players.
This is the deal that I make. Some may think its too steep, but if you want the next Gail Sayers/Barry Sanders/etc. then this is the price you pay to make me pass Reggie Bush up.
The coveted #1 pick for:
#4 (1st round)
#29 (1st round)
#35 (2nd round)
#68 (3rd round)
2007 1st round pick
That deal would never happen. Two #1's, a 2nd and a 3rd for the 1st overall, get serious. To a team that is basically in rebuilding mode they are not going to give up the first half of their draft this year and their #1 next year.
Harrisment
04-18-2006, 09:34 AM
we already have a running back, too. hell, for that matter we already have every position on the field filled. there's just a bunch of them being fielded by average to below average players.
Not to rehash this, but there is a huge difference between having two running backs and two quarterbacks that are worthy of getting playing time. It's easy to come up with several scenarios in which both Davis and Bush would get touches throughout a game, which includes them being on the field at the same in many situations given Bush's versatility. Unless VY is planning to lineup at receiver, I don't think the Texans are going to try to implement a two QB system.
swilkins
04-18-2006, 09:35 AM
That deal would never happen. Two #1's, a 2nd and a 3rd for the 1st overall, get serious. To a team that is basically in rebuilding mode they are not going to give up the first half of their draft this year and their #1 next year.
I agree.
That's ludicrous.
Harrisment
04-18-2006, 09:37 AM
That deal would never happen. Two #1's, a 2nd and a 3rd for the 1st overall, get serious. To a team that is basically in rebuilding mode they are not going to give up the first half of their draft this year and their #1 next year.
Actually it would be three #1's. They have two this year, plus next years.
Jared Novak
04-18-2006, 06:17 PM
That deal would never happen. Two #1's, a 2nd and a 3rd for the 1st overall, get serious. To a team that is basically in rebuilding mode they are not going to give up the first half of their draft this year and their #1 next year.
So what part of 'Doubt it will happen, but we can all wait and see' didn't you read. I just said that if I were the powers this would be the deal to make me move down.
Harrisment
04-18-2006, 08:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2413022
Even given what appears to be some uncertainty on the part of the Texans' brass, though, Bush remains the favorite to be the Houston choice. ESPN.com has learned that there was dialogue on Tuesday between the Texans and Bush's agent, Joel Segal, but still no substantive negotiations. There have been no hard contract talks yet, either, with the representatives for North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the other prospect Houston is apparently considering with the first pick.
It's believed that the Texans will commence negotiations later this week with the aim of having the top pick signed before the draft begins. League rules permit the Texans, by virtue of owning the top selection, to begin contract negotiations with one or more candidates for the No. 1 spot.
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