Republicans may LIE, but Democrats ...

[ROXRAN]

...SUCK, as explained. It makes a sound piece you gotta admit. Where is your leadership? No where? That truly sucks!...

http://www.higher-yearning.org/2006/02/republicans-lie-and-democrats-suck.html

[ROXRAN]

What do the Dems have? A guy (Kaine) whose eyebrows look as if they might fly off his face from the sheer boredom of having ot listen to him drone on.

Central Casting???? Central Casting???

We need Champions of the People, Protectors of Justice and a Righteous Man or Woman type who is eloquent, who can communicate by arguing for honesty and integrity in government, for the end of an era of greed and deception, who can dignify the ideals of public-ness as a space of dissent and civil liberty.

Democrats, you truly do suck!

...I guess this can't be countered. Silence is golden! The Democratic leadership is a joke LOL!!!!! You got nothing! No more Trumans. the old people are led on by a dream...All you neo-demos can do is slap each other on the back, and make org sites with fat people and whine and cheese like you are saying something about a problem, but the reality is YOU HAVE NO SOLUTION!!!!

[CometsWin]

Is there something wrong with you? Like, medically?

[ROXRAN]

Is there something wrong with you? Like, medically?

Yes, medically speaking I have antineo-demo-itis...This is a condition where I introduce a debate thread about democratic leadership...and I get either
a.) no answer ...or
b.) an ignorant, albeit pathetic answer

Side effects include feelings of glee, or vindication of preconceived answer response...

I hope to have no cure!... ;)

[No Worries]

the reality is YOU HAVE NO SOLUTION!

Here are the Republican solutions:

War in Iraq
Illegal NSA spying
Tax cuts for the very wealthiest

The qustion begs: For what are these solutions answers to?

[ROXRAN]

the reality is YOU HAVE NO SOLUTION!

Here are the Republican solutions:

War in Iraq
Illegal NSA spying
Tax cuts for the very wealthiest

The qustion begs: For what are these solutions answers to?

Action...Let's do something. President Bush used a thought process after 9/11 on conducting more aggressive action as it relates to security. The Neo-Demos wouldn't know to think for themselves...

[CometsWin]

Yes, medically speaking I have antineo-demo-itis...This is a condition where I introduce a debate thread about democratic leadership...and I get either
a.) no answer ...or
b.) an ignorant, albeit pathetic answer

Side effects include feelings of glee, or vindication of preconceived answer response...

I hope to have no cure!... ;)


All you've introduced is trolling. Good work.

[ROXRAN]

All you've introduced is trolling. Good work.


b.) an ignorant, albeit pathetic answer

[mc mark]

ROX as texxx would say you're embarrassing yourself. I love this quote from your link

At least they [republicans] have smokescreen of idealism covering up their greed and power-mongering nepotism.

[thadeus]

The qustion begs: For what are these solutions answers to?

That's a good question to ask.

[plcmts17]

I'm just happy someone had the honesty to say that Republicans are LIARS!
It's comforting to know that you would still prefer LIARS over people you percieve as weak. You have a condition much worse than antineo-demo-itis, it's called dementia. Either that or you just graduated from the Ann Coulter finishing school.
And for some reason you believe making fun of the Democrats is some sort of valid arguement. You think anyone is going to buy this garbage from you an admitted LIAR lover. Good way to build credibility, LIAR lover.
And just another thing,Republican Lies does not equal Action.

[hitman1900]

Just because you take action doesn't mean you're doing something good or helpful, in fact taking action without any thought can worsen situations.

[mc mark]

I'm just happy someone had the honesty to say that Republicans are LIARS!
It's comforting to know that you would still prefer LIARS over people you percieve as weak. You have a condition much worse than antineo-demo-itis, it's called dementia. Either that or you just graduated from the Ann Coulter finishing school.
And for some reason you believe making fun of the Democrats is some sort of valid arguement. You think anyone is going to buy this garbage from you an admitted LIAR lover. Good way to build credibility, LIAR lover.
And just another thing,Republican Lies does not equal Action.

I liken it to the death of a scorpion. When dying, they will flail about and try to create as much havoc before eventual death. Stinging themselves and anything around it. The republicans are angry that the truth is finally being exposed and they don't like the fact that they took the bait hook, lie and scooter. They can't blame the chimp in charge because that would be admitting a mistake. Hence, they lash out at the democrats.

[Oski2005]

Wow, this is incredibly stupid. It's like, if there was a fire and no water around and some people sent others to get water, would you wait for the water ROXRAN, or would you throw gas on the fire because at least you are taking action?

[ROXRAN]

ROX as texxx would say you're embarrassing yourself. I love this quote from your link

I love it also, but I love the other parts more...

[MadMax]

This thread needs more cowbell.

[ROXRAN]

I'm just happy someone had the honesty to say that Republicans are LIARS!


They are LIARS, now give me someone of Democratic leadership who is above the LIES!...

Yall still don't get it...I want to be convinced, but the more I hear from the base, or the neo-demo justifiers on their own LIES, or neo-demo-apologists the more than ever I am convinced the best course is forever where I'm at...

[ROXRAN]

This thread needs more cowbell.

This thread needs a discussion on who can provide leadership beyond the LIES from the Democratic side...Silence is golden...

[MadMax]

This thread needs a discussion on who can provide leadership beyond the LIES from the Democratic side...Silence is golden...

i'm guessing you don't want to be convinced. i'm not convinced either side is worth a damn.

[hotballa]

i'm guessing you don't want to be convinced. i'm not convinced either side is worth a damn.

cmon max, can you really be surprised? Instead of looking at what the Administration has done wrong, he just says well everyone else is doing the same thing. You think he really cares about objectivity?

[ROXRAN]

Wow, this is incredibly stupid. It's like, if there was a fire and no water around and some people sent others to get water, would you wait for the water ROXRAN, or would you throw gas on the fire because at least you are taking action?

This is actually a pretty good anology, Oski...but you are wrong, the act of taking action involves conducting a thought-induced action plan designed to arrive at a decided goal...

Agree with Bush, or not...this is what is evident. I'm not sure if the "neo-demos" could arrive at a course driven plan...

[Deckard]

This thread needs a discussion on who can provide leadership beyond the LIES from the Democratic side...Silence is golden...
ROX, you should understand that endless threads with LIARS, and LIES in them tend to make one rather numb. if you add all of them together, from both sides, it's a bit tiresome, so you shouldn't be surprised at the lack of response.

I'm glad you posted a link to Huffington's blog, however, because I had been intending to check it out for a long time. I agree with her about the pathetic Democrat response to Bush's babble. Murtha would have been a better choice, as would Obama and Fiengold, both of whom would have said more than babble-speak themselves.

If we truly intend to clobber the GOP in November and in '08, then the Democrats, of which I am one, need to offer better leadership for America. Sure, the walking dead would be better than Bush, but if you want Americans to go to the polls and pull the levers for the Democrats, instead of just staying at home in disgust, then the party needs better leaders giving their responses to Bush Babble, like the state of the union, and any other time he babbles, which is rare, but deserves a response when he comes out of hiding, or drags himself away from his innumerable vacations.

I enjoyed reading some of Huffington's blog, with good stuff like this:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/delayhead.jpg

"DC GOSSIP"

What Tom DeLay's Office Calls Republican Corruption Scandal...

Associated Press | SUZANNE GAMBOA | March 4, 2006 at 02:45 PM

READ MORE: Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff
One of DeLay's campaign tactics was to try to distance himself from disgraced ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who pleaded guilty to federal charges in January and is cooperating with investigators in an ongoing congressional corruption case.

DeLay's travels with Abramoff, and the contributions from Abramoff and his clients, have raised questions about their association. Abramoff's former business partner, who also pleaded guilty in the case, is a former DeLay aide; at least one other former DeLay aide has come under scrutiny in the probe.

DeLay's campaign spokeswoman has said that the Abramoff matter is little more than "D.C. gossip" and that DeLay will win easily with a tough, organized grassroots campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/#a016764

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/harris5.jpg

Katherine Harris Caught Up in Bribery Scandal
Campaign Donations From Defense Contractor Under Scrutiny

By MITCH STACY, AP

TAMPA, Fla. (March 3) - U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris said Thursday she did not knowingly do anything wrong in her associations with a defense contractor who prosecutors say illegally funneled thousands of dollars to her campaign in 2004.

Questions about the donations have arisen as Harris, the former Florida secretary of state who oversaw the 2000 presidential election recount, tries to unseat U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.

The donations were described in a plea agreement last Friday, when Mitchell Wade, the former president of MZM Inc., pleaded guilty to bribing U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham in exchange for assistance in getting $150 million in Defense Department contracts for his company.

He also admitted making illegal campaign contributions in the names of MZM employees and their spouses to Harris and Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va. Prosecutors said Harris got $32,000 from employees who were reimbursed by Wade. Harris said she recently donated the money to charity, and didn't know the donations would be reimbursed.

In the plea agreement, Wade acknowledged dining with Harris at a Washington restaurant in 2005 to discuss a possible fundraiser for her and obtaining funding for a Navy counterintelligence program involving his company. She requested the funding, but Wade didn't get it.

"I requested a $10 million appropriation for the U.S Naval Criminal Investigative Services project because I thought it would bring new jobs to Sarasota," said Harris, R-Fla. "I never requested funding for this project in exchange for any contributions, but rather to bring more high-skill, high-wage jobs to the region."

Wade has been cooperating with federal prosecutors in Washington and San Diego since last summer and is required to continue to do so as part of his plea agreement with the government. He faces up to 20 years in prison. Prosecutors said they are continuing to investigate and won't say if Harris is a subject.

Harris said her office has not been contacted about the investigation.

"I think these revelations should matter to voters because I think ethics should count for something in a public servant," said Dan McLaughlin, spokesman for Nelson.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060303035709990014


Lots of stuff in her blog. Loads of links, Oscar predictions, and more dirt on Republicans, and even a Democrat or two. Check it out!



Keep D&D CIvil.

[bigbodymoe]

After this Bush of a president...i find it hard that someone could find a way to defend Republicans

[ROXRAN]

i'm guessing you don't want to be convinced. i'm not convinced either side is worth a damn.

I'm not either, but I appreciate aspects of life I see more conducive to the Republican party...I want to be convinced, but the cadre of back slappers affirms the thought process...

[ROXRAN]

After this Bush of a president...i find it hard that someone could find a way to defend Republicans

Easy...

[ROXRAN]

Lots of stuff in her blog. Loads of links, Oscar predictions, and more dirt on Republicans, and even a Democrat or two. Check it out!



Keep D&D CIvil.

Her blog is right...dirt is evident on Republicans, as well as a Democrat or two...

It is I who knowingly realized her positioning as a reason for reference...It says it all about your leadership...It is not my words, but by using a known blog that leans towards the Democrats, the message is directed as if coming from me...When your own says your leadership SUCKS...It is telling.

I am tired of hearing about threads on LIES,...and my point of illustrating that the Democrats LIE is to suggest who is above this and can provide the leadership necessary...Instead I am personally attacked for my "mental problems"...and other idiotic crap I expect from the "neo-demos" of the world.

Congratulations...

[Phi83]

i'm guessing you don't want to be convinced. i'm not convinced either side is worth a damn.

Clap Clap Clap!!! Hear Hear!!! I second the nomination!

[krosfyah]

I just responded to one of your previous LIAR threads...regretfully now. It is clear by the way you throw it the face of democrats that you have no interest in being "convinced." You are just picking a fight.

Yes, silence is golden. I'd love to have some silence from you. ;)

Here is my one comment on your LATEST liar thread.

Yes, democratic leadership sucks. No big secret as evidenced by election results. But that doesn't make republican leadership "good" by default. I think most Americans are disappointed with both sides right now.

[Sishir Chang]

Once again the collective maturity level of the D & D has taken a nosedive. :p

[rimrocker]

Way back when I was a young lad, Conservatives would whine and moan about all the Dems in office and eventually end up at, "If they're not doing a good job, throw the whole bunch out and let the other fellas have a shot. If the new guys aren't worth a damn, throw them out and get some others in!"

Now that Republicans are in and thoroughly screwing things up, we rarely hear that argument from the Conservative side. Instead, it is more like, "Any Republican is slightly better than a Democrat," or "Democrats are bad too, so there's no need to change."

Also, as far as I'm concerned, the only plan the Dems need is to try to spend the next 20 years fixing all the crap that has gone down during this administration. If we can get back to 2000 (debt, economy, foreign relations, condemning torture and spying, environment, etc.) or anywhere close by 2020, I'll consider that a great accomplishment.

[ROXRAN]

As far as I'm concerned, the forward momentum is to adhere the best leadership, Democrats have admitted their leadership "SUCKS"...

I have always enjoyed admitted rights such as the second admendent, as a side benefit towards typical following of the Republican party, so the future only looks bright...

[krosfyah]

As far as I'm concerned, the forward momentum is to adhere the best leadership, Democrats have admitted their leadership "SUCKS"...

Just because the "leadership sucks," doesn't mean the principals that democrats stand for suck. That's the part you are missing.

I have always enjoyed admitted rights such as the second admendent, as a side benefit towards typical following of the Republican party, so the future only looks bright...

If you think our current situation looks "bright" then that is all we need to know about you. Thanks.

[ROXRAN]

Just because the "leadership sucks," doesn't mean the principals that democrats stand for suck. That's the part you are missing.

If you think our current situation looks "bright" then that is all we need to know about you. Thanks.

What good is priniciples without leadership?...I loathe not the older version of this party's principles. Truman was a great Democratic leader. His specialty was renowned, common sense decisiveness...The Democrats have lacked this virtue (IMHO) ever since...I have seen the eventual dawn of the pathetic neo-demos rear its ugly head and the party has pathetically lost itself...

I also did not say our current situation looks "bright"...The future is up to you and me. Be part of the solution and think. Change the base. Hold homeboys accountable on both sides of the fence equally...You can destroy the Neo-cons, but a change of mindset, not anger is the key...

[Saint Louis]

This thread needs more cowbell.

http://kundert.ca/images/cowbell.gif

[rockbox]

What good is priniciples without leadership?

What good is leadership without the right principles. Example, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin were great leaders.

I rather stand still than be lead over a cliff.

[ROXRAN]

What good is leadership without the right principles. Example, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin were great leaders.

I rather stand still than be lead over a cliff.

Good point...

[Zac D]

1. "Albeit." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

2. "Taking action" does NOT necessarily involve a plan or a vision, nor does it necessarily indicate that there's a positive goal in mind. There's no reason - none - to think that, in all circumstances and regardless of the consequences, "taking action" is a virtue.

3. You're a Republican. You're happy to be a Republican. You agree with Republicans on the issues. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend like you'd be a Democrat if the party could just provide some Truman-like leadership (which, like the rest of us, you have no direct experience with). And don't pretend like a well-reasoned response to your opening post would make you see the portside-shining light.

[ROXRAN]

1. "Albeit." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

2. "Taking action" does NOT necessarily involve a plan or a vision, nor does it necessarily indicate that there's a positive goal in mind. There's no reason - none - to think that, in all circumstances and regardless of the consequences, "taking action" is a virtue.

3. You're a Republican. You're happy to be a Republican. You agree with Republicans on the issues. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend like you'd be a Democrat if the party could just provide some Truman-like leadership (which, like the rest of us, you have no direct experience with). And don't pretend like a well-reasoned response to your opening post would make you see the portside-shining light.

1.) I do know what the word means and it applies as I intended...al·be·it (ôl-bt, l-)
conj.
Even though; although; notwithstanding: clear albeit cold weather.

2.) Taking action does NOT necessarily involve a plan or a vision, ...true. However my contention is a plan or vision has been the basis. If you carefully read my posts, you should comprehend that I do not advocate action for the sake of action...

3.) I am happy with the framework of America, and I believe the ideals of the older version of the Democratic party had merit. Consequently I also believe (personally more strongly) in the ideals of the Republican party...

It is true I have no direct experience in the era of Truman, but what I do know I have read or seen documentaries about him...In addition, my father...An absolute Republican experienced his era, and commented that he was the best President he has seen regardless of party...and that is saying a lot coming from him.

It is true

[MadMax]

http://kundert.ca/images/cowbell.gif


FINALLY!!!

THANK YOU!!!

[krosfyah]

What good is priniciples without leadership?...

I live my life with good principles. That's what good it is.

From my perspective, the world isn't over if we have republican leadership in charge. But this particular administration just plain sucks. I wasn't thrilled with Reagan or Bush Sr. but they were fine. W makes my skin crawl every time he opens his mouth.

Too bad the leadership isn't really in tune with the average democrat, IMO. The problem is defining what is "average." The Republicans did a good job of "finding religion" as the unifying thread for the republican party. If the democrats can find their own unifying thread anytime soon, they'll win in a landslide cause W has disappointed so many. But nobody has found that "thread" yet. This is an argument for why we need more than a two party system.

Change the base. Hold homeboys accountable on both sides of the fence equally...You can destroy the Neo-cons, but a change of mindset, not anger is the key...

I disagree. The base doesn't need to change. The leadership needs to figure out what the base wants. The democratic base doesn't want special interest leadership. The democratic base wants an honest shot of the American way for the common man. Once a democratic leader figures out how to build a platform on that, they'll win in a landslide. I promise!

But instead, they continue to pander to special interests. Only difference is the Republicans figured out how to pander and make it look like they care about their base using religion ...and that is sad.

[vlaurelio]

democratic leadership sucks? big deal

so what do you think about our country's current leadership?

they suck and lie

[Chance]

...swallow?

[fadeaway]

I liked ROXRAN a lot better before he adopted this silly ignorant super-conservative persona; back when he was a fun, good-natured gun nut who would make lots of cute jokes about squirrels. :(

[ROXRAN]

The democratic base doesn't want special interest leadership. The democratic base wants an honest shot of the American way for the common man. Once a democratic leader figures out how to build a platform on that, they'll win in a landslide. I promise!



If this happens and the the bill of rights is not infringed, I will be right there with you and that is a promise!

[ROXRAN]

I liked ROXRAN a lot better before he adopted this silly ignorant super-conservative persona; back when he was a fun, good-natured gun nut who would make lots of cute jokes about squirrels. :(

Listen,...I have less of a super-conservative persona than many realize. My qualifier is 1.) Don't mess with the bill of rights...and 2.) Have the exact ideal virtues krosfyah stated...I will be right there with all those who want the Democratic party to win...
The problem is the Democratic leadership "SUCKS" (not my original words), and it doesn't help when the talk of sticking with the base, and the neccessity of sticking to the base is to act,...well neo-demo like (i.e. Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Gore)...

The attraction of what make neo-demos, neo-demos is the behavior of coddling to the base, and it seems the base is equal to far left...This notion is a failure, and if the Democratic party fails in 2008, it will be due to the neo-demo attitude. I guarantee this...

btw, not to direct the elbows at you fadeaway...I personally "like" and respect certain posters even though they agree nothing with me such as you, Sishir, Franchiseblade, Deckard, even Sam among others...
This is just silly debate and I would shake hands with all since a reasoned debate is part of the fun...Yall are like some wierd family, and I'm still a fun good-natured gun nut with a facination for squirrel...I guess it's age getting me cranky, and my daughter keeps sitting in my chair... ;)

[RocketMan Tex]

ROXRAN has either run out of squirrels to shoot or is not getting any at home.