[Chron] - McNair: Bush pick not a lock

[nWo34Life]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3589395.html

Texans owner says no guarantee made to USC coach

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Owner Bob McNair denied an ESPN report Sunday that he told Southern California coach Pete Carroll that the Texans would select running back Reggie Bush if he left the Trojans after his junior year.

The report said that after University of Texas quarterback Vince Young's performance in the Rose Bowl, Carroll called McNair to get assurances that the owner would make Bush the first pick in the draft.

"Pete Carroll did call me, but he talked to me about Bush and never asked if we were going to take him, and if he had I wouldn't have told him that because we haven't even hired our coach," McNair said Sunday.

The Texans will hire Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak as soon as the Broncos' season is over. Denver hosts Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday.

"We don't know who we're going to draft right now," McNair said. "After we hire our coach, the evaluation process will still have a long way to go. We want to pick the player we feel will give us the best chance to win."

Bush's advisers had disclosed several weeks before the Rose Bowl that he would leave after his junior year.

The Texans had planned to take Bush, but when Young entered the draft, they were forced to re-evaluate.

[codell]

That should probably go here.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=107174&z=1

[nWo34Life]

That should probably go here.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=107174&z=1

It should, but this is pretty big news McNair denying ESPN reports of him picking Bush.

If it was anything else, you're right.

[DaDakota]

YES !!

Vince is still in the running !!

DD

[msn]

It should, but this is pretty big news McNair denying ESPN reports of him picking Bush.

If it was anything else, you're right.
That's how everyone feels about the VY/RB thread he or she has started. :p

[Master Baiter]

How many more threads are we going to have?

[Groogrux]

How many more threads are we going to have?

72. This week.

And they can all be paraphrased.

"If the Texans pass on VY to take the 4'10" Bush who's never taken a hit in his life, I will at the very least need to take Prozac for the next 8 years of my life and will never watch the Texans again."

and

"Anyone who doesn't believe that Reggie Bush is the next incarnation of Christ himself is a UT Homer that is blinded by VY's one good game in college."

I just click on them to turn off the yellow light.

[Cohen]

That's great news. I didn't think that Bush guarantee story sounded quite right.

[Smokey]

I hope the Texans draft Bush. We all can agree one player isn't going to turn the team around. Let the Texans pass on a hometown star. Then sit back and watch the ****storm. If VY with the Titans (oh God please not the Saints) has good games against the Texans or takes the Titans to the playoffs before Carr and the Texans, icing on the m-fing cake.

I like it. MUHAHAHHAA.

[pgabriel]

for all those guys who posted this debate is pointless because the Texans already decided to take Bush,


you just got pwned by the texans pwner.

[Lil Francis]

Its funny how everytime there is a rumor about Bush coming to the Texans McClain has to run and make sure Young still has a chance to come here. I haven't heard one rumor yet that Young is coming here but heard about a million rumors that Bush is. Thats a hint right there.

[YaoMing]

YES !!

Vince is still in the running !!

DD

Stop kidding yourself. The Texans are sticking with Carr, and Bush will be the pick. Im not trying to be an A-hole, but Im just trying to stop my fellow Texan fan from being disappointed. I wouldnt mind having VY, but it just does not look like its going to happen.

[YaoMing]

It should, but this is pretty big news McNair denying ESPN reports of him picking Bush.

If it was anything else, you're right.

The Texans are better suited if it remains unknown who they will pick. If they keep people guessing then they will hear more interesting trade offers. This is purely a business move by Bob McNair, and I think Bush is still a lock. Im sure Carrol got something out of his conversation with McNair that helped Reggie along with his decision.

[gucci888]

Its funny how everytime there is a rumor about Bush coming to the Texans McClain has to run and make sure Young still has a chance to come here. I haven't heard one rumor yet that Young is coming here but heard about a million rumors that Bush is. Thats a hint right there.

Rumors from who? "Sources close to the Broncos?" McClain is doing his job and getting quotes straight from McNair himself, I don't see Mortensen doing the same.

As I posted in another thread, some of us are picking and choosing what articles we want to believe. Some pro-Bush posters said that even if McNair said we were drafting Bush, us pro-VY posters still wouldn't believe him, but I guess that doesn't work the other way around does it?

I love how a rumor from an unknown source about who we're gonna draft 3 months in advance w/ no head coach in place can get more validation than a direct quote from McNair saying, "We don't know who we're going to draft right now," McNair said.

[The Cat]

Its funny how everytime there is a rumor about Bush coming to the Texans McClain has to run and make sure Young still has a chance to come here. I haven't heard one rumor yet that Young is coming here but heard about a million rumors that Bush is. Thats a hint right there.

You didn't read John Clayton's blog last week where he said the Texans seem to be leaning to Young? You haven't listened to Skip Bayless the last several days on ESPN where he's said that his sources say Bob McNair has decided not to pass up Vince Young? You haven't listened to John McClain the last week as he's repeatedly said Young will likely be a Texan?

There are certainly lots of rumors of Bush to the Texans, but there have been quite a few Young to the Texans rumors as well. The Bush or bust supporters, though, are often too biased to consider or listen to the other side.

[msn]

The Bush or bust supporters, though, are often too biased to consider or listen to the other side.
I'm with RM95 on this crap. Texans fans need to stop acting like freaking Democrats and Republicans here. We're talking about a three-month chapter in the history of this franchise, and I'm not interested in polarizing over it. Whoever is a Texan this summer is a Texan, and that's who I'm for. Period.

[SWTsig]

Its funny how everytime there is a rumor about Bush coming to the Texans McClain has to run and make sure Young still has a chance to come here. I haven't heard one rumor yet that Young is coming here but heard about a million rumors that Bush is. Thats a hint right there.

^^^this is comical to say the least.

[The Cat]

I'm with RM95 on this crap. Texans fans need to stop acting like freaking Democrats and Republicans here. We're talking about a three-month chapter in the history of this franchise, and I'm not interested in polarizing over it. Whoever is a Texan this summer is a Texan, and that's who I'm for. Period.

In the end, I agree. I'm a fan no matter who they select, and I'm still going to go to the games, and I'm still going to buy merchandise. I have my preference, but it's about the team, and whoever they select I'll be a fan of. It makes it a lot easier because both players are true once in a generation talents and we're fortunate to be in a position to get either one of them.

[nWo34Life]

I'm with RM95 on this crap. Texans fans need to stop acting like freaking Democrats and Republicans here. We're talking about a three-month chapter in the history of this franchise, and I'm not interested in polarizing over it. Whoever is a Texan this summer is a Texan, and that's who I'm for. Period.

I'm rooting for Bush, but if we get VY, that's fine by me also.

I just still believe in Carr's ability to be the QB of this squad.

[Lil Francis]

You didn't read John Clayton's blog last week where he said the Texans seem to be leaning to Young? You haven't listened to Skip Bayless the last several days on ESPN where he's said that his sources say Bob McNair has decided not to pass up Vince Young? You haven't listened to John McClain the last week as he's repeatedly said Young will likely be a Texan?

There are certainly lots of rumors of Bush to the Texans, but there have been quite a few Young to the Texans rumors as well. The Bush or bust supporters, though, are often too biased to consider or listen to the other side.Who listens to anything Skip Bayless and Woody Paige says? If he said the Texans were leaning towards Bush I wouldn't pay much attention to that either. John McClain seems to write about things he wants to happen instead of what the Texans are going to do. John Clayton is pretty good so I guess its a slim chance they consider Young but Bush will be a lock when Carr gets that 3 year deal next month.

[Lil Francis]

^^^this is comical to say the least.No whats comical is you thinking that Vince Young will be a Texan next season. Thats an instant classic.

[Blatz]

...

I love how a rumor from an unknown source about who we're gonna draft 3 months in advance w/ no head coach in place can get more validation than a direct quote from McNair saying, "We don't know who we're going to draft right now," McNair said.

I know, it reminds me of the thread someone started about someones blog which said he thinks the Texans may be leaning towards Young. It resulted in post saying Ha Ha, Texans are taking Young.

Or the news report from ESPN before Young declared for the draft saying the Texans were going to take Bush no matter what. That turned into people getting pissed saying McNair was stupid.

This isn't the first time McNair said ESPN was wrong

[SWTsig]

No whats comical is you thinking that Vince Young will be a Texan next season. Thats an instant classic.

where did i say that?

unless your last name is McNair, Kubiak, or Reeves.... you don't KNOW a goddamn thing.

so stop making yourself look like a fool.

[Blatz]

. The Bush or bust supporters, though, are often too biased to consider or listen to the other side.

Oh that's rich.

[VesceySux]

No whats comical is you thinking that Vince Young will be a Texan next season. Thats an instant classic.

I'd lay off the strong language, because if you're wrong, you're liable to end up in someone's signature, mocked to the end of eternity and dismissed out of hand in all future draft discussions.

McNair has two sons that went to UT. Woody Paige is already on record (on TV) as saying that McNair may overrule Kubiak (assuming Kubiak wants Bush) and take Young because of his family's affiliation with UT. (And we're talking a strong "may" here, too.)

[Lil Francis]

where did i say that?

unless your last name is McNair, Kubiak, or Reeves.... you don't KNOW a goddamn thing.

so stop making yourself look like a fool.Yeah ok. When Bush is drafted April 29th then all this will be over with. Then you the one thats gonna look like a fool.

[Groogrux]

Yeah ok. When Bush is drafted April 29th then all this will be over with. Then you the one thats gonna look like a fool.

By stating a fact, he's a fool?

It is a fact that no one, outside of McNair and Co., knows what the Texans will do with 100% certainty. That's all SWTsig said.

It's posts like this that really have me leaning towards Young.

[Lil Francis]

I'd lay off the strong language, because if you're wrong, you're liable to end up in someone's signature, mocked to the end of eternity and dismissed out of hand in all future draft discussions.

McNair has two sons that went to UT. Woody Paige is already on record (on TV) as saying that McNair may overrule Kubiak (assuming Kubiak wants Bush) and take Young because of his family's affiliation with UT. (And we're talking a strong "may" here, too.) I don't care if they want to add my comments in their sig. You know when Bush is drafted by the Texans im gonna rub it in so thats a 2 way street. Im not saying Chris Mortensen is always right but if you had to listen to Paige or Moretensen who would you believe? Woody Paige is terrible.

[SWTsig]

Yeah ok. When Bush is drafted April 29th then all this will be over with. Then you the one thats gonna look like a fool.

holy sh!t, are you just being dense or what?

i never said "the Texans WILL select Vince Young." nor have i ever said "the Texans will NOT select Reggie Bush." i prefer young, but i'd be happy with either.

you, however, have practically guarnateed that Bush will be selected... clearly through some magic, future-telling source.

as i said earlier.... you don't KNOW anything, and all you're doing is SPECULATING like the rest of us.

[superden]

It is insane to say anything about the draft before running any workouts. I can buy the Texans strongly favoring Bush, but they better not guarantee crap until they see some workouts first.

[RocketForever]

Owner Bob McNair denied an ESPN report Sunday that he told Southern California coach Pete Carroll that the Texans would select running back Reggie Bush if he left the Trojans after his junior year.

The media has reported a story about you based on unreliable source and so everyone has been calling you an idiot or knucklehead for the whole week. So now you have to come to the media to tell everyone, 'No, I am not an idiot because I did not say it.' Nice. :)

[pradaxpimp]

Who cares what Steve "Air" Mcnair thinks.

[Zacatecas]

I think everyone realizes that both Vince and Bush have the ability to be all world!!!

We also know that there will be other Miers, Shulers, Metcalfs, Ware's, etc. at the top of a draft.

We just don't want the Texans to come up in the short end of the stick. And in all likelyhood Bush would have a short career, as most running backs have; and Vince might still be leading teams into the super bowl years after Bush retired. It wouldn't even matter if Bush was a perennial pro bowler when he played.

Quarter backs usually have longer careers. And Vince has been so vocal about wanting to stay in Texas, quite possibly a reason he declared a year early (this is the best chance he'll ever have of playing for his home town team).



Don't mess up one of the best drafts in years, because if you do, you'll be plenty red in the face for years to come :o

[gr8-1]

The Bush or bust supporters, though, are often too biased to consider or listen to the other side.


It ain't Bush or bust. It's anyone but that UT f%$k. Look at alot of the people saying no to Vince. Lots of UT haters.

[gr8-1]

McNair has two sons that went to UT. Woody Paige is already on record (on TV) as saying that McNair may overrule Kubiak (assuming Kubiak wants Bush) and take Young because of his family's affiliation with UT. (And we're talking a strong "may" here, too.)


I don't think a Billionaire like McNair would do that. He's a sharp guy. I don't think he'd let school affiliation override the best business decision (assuming it's Bush, which is debatable imo.)

[VesceySux]

I don't think a Billionaire like McNair would do that. He's a sharp guy. I don't think he'd let school affiliation override the best business decision (assuming it's Bush, which is debatable imo.)

I totally disagree. If you were picking between 2 totally qualified and equal applicants, and one just happened to go to your old alma mater (or somehow was connected to you), the choice becomes that much easier, right? Uh, yeah, there's no nepotism in business. None at all. :)

[gr8-1]

I totally disagree. If you were picking between 2 totally qualified and equal applicants, and one just happened to go to your old alma mater (or somehow was connected to you), the choice becomes that much easier, right? Uh, yeah, there's no nepotism in business. None at all. :)


Oh, no doubt about it. All things being equal, I would go with the UT grad. I just think Vince's throwing motion and the possibility that he runs a 4.6+ could hurt him. But, Vince is a winner and it's not just because he plays on a talented team. His stats could be alot better if the HOrns didn't blow out so many teams.

[gucci888]

Oh, no doubt about it. All things being equal, I would go with the UT grad. I just think Vince's throwing motion and the possibility that he runs a 4.6+ could hurt him. But, Vince is a winner and it's not just because he plays on a talented team. His stats could be alot better if the HOrns didn't blow out so many teams.

I have a feeling that both Bush and VY won't run at the combine. VY will have to pass and Reggie might have to do some agility drills, but I think running a 40 could only bring down their stock.

[MadMax]

Oh, no doubt about it. All things being equal, I would go with the UT grad. I just think Vince's throwing motion and the possibility that he runs a 4.6+ could hurt him. But, Vince is a winner and it's not just because he plays on a talented team. His stats could be alot better if the HOrns didn't blow out so many teams.


where is the 4.6+ coming from?? :D

[gr8-1]

where is the 4.6+ coming from?? :D

Well, it doesn't matter to me. He's fast enough. I wouldn't be surprised if he runs a 4.45 electronic (which, very few can do, inc. Matt Jones I believe), but some UT fans have said that VY is probably a 4.6-4.7 guy, which is absurd, imo. So, my post was almost tongue in cheek.

[swilkins]

I have a feeling that both Bush and VY won't run at the combine. VY will have to pass and Reggie might have to do some agility drills, but I think running a 40 could only bring down their stock.

I have a feeling that Bush will be at the Combine. I think he wants to showcase his talent.

[gucci888]

Well, it doesn't matter to me. He's fast enough. I wouldn't be surprised if he runs a 4.45 electronic (which, very few can do, inc. Matt Jones I believe), but some UT fans have said that VY is probably a 4.6-4.7 guy, which is absurd, imo. So, my post was almost tongue in cheek.

I wouldn't be suprised if he actually ran a 4.5-4.6 40. When this guy gets into the open field, his strides are so long that very few can catch up with him. I don't think he has the explosive speed you need to have a great 40 time, but I think you really see his true speed in the open field.

I remember watching the OKSt. game and the commentators were saying how the NFL calls guys like VY a "2-stepper" meaning he covers 5 yards every 2 steps. I think he covered 80 yards in like 24 strides.

[swilkins]

I wouldn't be suprised if he actually ran a 4.5-4.6 40. When this guy gets into the open field, his strides are so long that very few can catch up with him. I don't think he has the explosive speed you need to have a great 40 time, but I think you really see his true speed in the open field.

I remember watching the OKSt. game and the commentators were saying how the NFL calls guys like VY a "2-stepper" meaning he covers 5 yards every 2 steps. I think he covered 80 yards in like 24 strides.

I don't see him having a faster speed than 4.6.

Vince is like a V8. I don't see the initial burst, but once those legs get into his stride, he can cover a lot of ground.

[Desert Scar]

I have never seen even really fast defenses and really fast players catch VY from behind without an angle. Havn't seen opponents outrace him for the 1st 2 yards or for 40. Considering Ced Benson ran a 4.55 on campus pre-draft (probably would have been 4.6 at the combine or related conditions) and always looked slower than VY, I would be shocked if VY ran less than a 4.55 and think 4.7 is ridiculas.

My guess is VY runs between a 4.45 to 4.55--well fast enough to outrun 95% of college LBs and DBs. But Matt Jones with those big loopy strides ran a consistent 4.4, so VY near 4.4 would not shock me either.

My guess is Bush runs between a 4.35 and 4.45. Mark Clayton looked faster than everyone else when on the field (and great initial burst like Bush) and he ran a 4.42 at the combine. Bush has an spectacular 10 year burst, but whether he is much faster that other burners at top end speed is anyones guess. That is why I'd put his upper limit at 4.45 (unknown top speed), though I expect him closer to 4.4 or perhaps a little faster. If Bush comes in at 4.3 with combine like conditions I would be more intruiged than I currently am, I admit.

For all these I am assuming combine-like electronic results on a standard surface. I'd add .05-.1 to a 40 time reported anywhere else. VY or RB may not go to the combine, but you can be sure anyone who drafts them #1 or #2 is going to work them out thoroughly and know how fast they are (among many other things). And like I said if you here VY run a 4.5 not at the combine (private workouts, UT pro day), assume probably 4.55 or so, same deal of adjusting Bush's reports too.

[gr8-1]

My guess is VY runs between a 4.45 to 4.55--well fast enough to outrun 95% of college LBs and DBs. But Matt Jones with those big loopy strides ran a consistent 4.4, so VY near 4.4 would not shock me either.

see, but Matt Jones is ten times better than VY according to Chris Mortenson. Matt is faster and has a better arm and was a better college player.

And like I said if you here VY run a 4.5 not at the combine (private workouts, UT pro day), assume probably 4.55 or so, same deal of adjusting Bush's reports too.
UT's track is pretty slow unfortunately. That's why it was crazy when Roy ran under 4.4 on that track.

[DaDakota]

see, but Matt Jones is ten times better than VY according to Chris Mortenson. Matt is faster and has a better arm and was a better college player.


UT's track is pretty slow unfortunately. That's why it was crazy when Roy ran under 4.4 on that track.

VY said he ran a 4.42 before the football season.

DD

[SamFisher]

Now we're down to ridiculous (fake) 40 times. The 40 yard time is the worst stat in the draft. When in god's name have you ever seen anybody run 40 yards in shorts, a t-shirt, and track spikes in the NFL? Hopefully never.

Sure, if somebody runs a 4.4, he's faster than a guy who runs a 5.0. Aside from that, the margin for error is exacerbated, once pads, grass, and big dudes chasing you is applied. Vince is fast as f-ck. Ask USC, ask Michigan, and ask anybody in between, be it warp-speed Teddy lehman or anybody else - the dude can move, and people can't catch him. That's the bottom line, and i'll take that above Reggie Bush (or, amusingly enough, Reggie McNeal, as some fools still claim) and his (their) manufactured 40 times any day of the week.

[pariah]

Now we're down to ridiculous (fake) 40 times. The 40 yard time is the worst stat in the draft. When in god's name have you ever seen anybody run 40 yards in shorts, a t-shirt, and track spikes in the NFL? Hopefully never.

Sure, if somebody runs a 4.4, he's faster than a guy who runs a 5.0. Aside from that, the margin for error is exacerbated, once pads, grass, and big dudes chasing you is applied. Vince is fast as f-ck. Ask USC, ask Michigan, and ask anybody in between, be it warp-speed Teddy lehman or anybody else - the dude can move, and people can't catch him. That's the bottom line, and i'll take that above Reggie Bush (or, amusingly enough, Reggie McNeal, as some fools still claim) and his (their) manufactured 40 times any day of the week.

I think we're done here. Good post.


(I've got cake with Bush and icing on my cake with VY. It will be fun to watch the Texans whether I get icing or not. I like cake. Cake is good for the Texans.)

[DaDakota]

Now we're down to ridiculous (fake) 40 times.


In the interview that is on 610, Vince Young was asked about his 40 yard dash time and he says he was clocked at 4.42 before the season started..

Just give the interview a listen......or would you rather bet?

:D

DD

[Groogrux]

In the interview that is on 610, Vince Young was asked about his 40 yard dash time and he says he was clocked at 4.42 before the season started..

Just give the interview a listen......or would you rather bet?

:D

DD

Methinks you're missing his point.

[pgabriel]

did anyone hear charlie palilo yesterday talking about the original report. He said espn called mcnair before the rose bowl.

[MadMax]

did anyone hear charlie palilo yesterday talking about the original report. He said espn called mcnair before the rose bowl.

go on...i'm not totally grasping what you're saying.

[pgabriel]

go on...i'm not totally grasping what you're saying.


Well the espn report came out after the rose bowl, but they never said they got that info before the rose bowl. they misled people into thinking bob said that after the rose bowl.

[swilkins]

At this point, it doesn't matter who reports what. Whether it's McClain or ESPN.

Until Kubiak is officially hired and makes his decision, avoid these meaningless leaks.

[MadMax]

Well the espn report came out after the rose bowl, but they never said they got that info before the rose bowl. they misled people into thinking bob said that after the rose bowl.

got it...thanks.

[gucci888]

At this point, it doesn't matter who reports what. Whether it's McClain or ESPN.

Until Kubiak is officially hired and makes his decision, avoid these meaningless leaks.

Agreed.

[MONON]

OK sports fans. This is how it goes down!

1. As soon as Denver's season ends, the Texans hire Kubiak as their head coach.

2. An hour and a half later, Kubiak has explained to McNair that both Bush and Young will be a. facing NFL defenses that are bigger, faster and smarter than anything they have faced in college and B. playing behind an inferior offensive line to what they had in college.

3. Based on this information, McNair announces that "the bidding for the #1 pick in the 2006 NFL draft is officially open!"

4. In the draft, the Texans select 5 offensive linemen in the 1st 2 rounds.


I read this in a Nostra quatrain. Sorry, but I seem to have lost my 600 year old link.

[gr8-1]

Now we're down to ridiculous (fake) 40 times. The 40 yard time is the worst stat in the draft. When in god's name have you ever seen anybody run 40 yards in shorts, a t-shirt, and track spikes in the NFL? Hopefully never.

Sure, if somebody runs a 4.4, he's faster than a guy who runs a 5.0. Aside from that, the margin for error is exacerbated, once pads, grass, and big dudes chasing you is applied. Vince is fast as f-ck. Ask USC, ask Michigan, and ask anybody in between, be it warp-speed Teddy lehman or anybody else - the dude can move, and people can't catch him. That's the bottom line, and i'll take that above Reggie Bush (or, amusingly enough, Reggie McNeal, as some fools still claim) and his (their) manufactured 40 times any day of the week.


The guiltiest party is one school called Virginia Tech. They claimed that Corey Moore, a DE, ran a 4.36. At the combine, I think he ran a 4.7.

I don't know where I saw it, but they had like eight guys run sub 4.4 this year. Maybe even more. They also had DeAngelo Hall at 4.18.

[gucci888]

The guiltiest party is one school called Virginia Tech. They claimed that Corey Moore, a DE, ran a 4.36. At the combine, I think he ran a 4.7.

I don't know where I saw it, but they had like eight guys run sub 4.4 this year. Maybe even more. They also had DeAngelo Hall at 4.18.

4.18!!?? Wouldn't that be the fastest 40 time ever? That's not a good thing for Hall (unless he actually runs it) but anything less than that will be very disappointing, especially for a guy who is on the 1st round bubble.