[Texans Needs] Reggie Bush/Carr/VY isnt going to take us anywhere until ...

[Luckyazn]

we fix the DFENSE!!

Take a look at all the teams in the Playoff. They are all STRONG TOUGH MINDED DFENSE TEAMS Carolina/Pitts looks the toughest and have a shot at a SUPERBOWL MATCH.

I dont think David Carr is good but look at the teams that's left, most of the QB are in a good "system" to win. David Carr can be a Jake Delhomme, Jake Plummer, Big Ben, Hasselbeck. If we're thinking to much about what Reggie Bush can do or VY can do on offense.... we'll just turn into the ST. LOUIS RAMS/KC Chiefs if we dont get a WELL BALANCE DFENSE too.

Our Dfense rite now isn't even INTIMIDATING at all.

Troy Polamalu has to be my Dfense Player of the year that guy seems to be everywhere.

[VesceySux]

I'd like to see the OL fixed first, as that's been a dire need for, oh, YEARS now.

I think the defense will be adequate with a change to the 4-3 and some better coaching. (But yes, we could definitely use some playmakers on that side of the ball.)

[kaleidosky]

I think you're both right. The Pitt/Indy game was won in the trenches..nothin else. Pitt dominated both sides of the line, and that's why they won. Indy couldn't establish much of a run except for a short spurt, and they couldn't deal with Pitt's pressure on the QB except when they let up for that short spurt at the end. Indy also couldn't get to Big Ben much..and when they could, he could move. And obviously Pitt was running it like crazy, esp later.

So I say hit both lines hard. And a 4-3 please. I think VY or Bush could help us...but not without help on the lines especially.

Also, Polamalu has been good...but he's also disappeared for quarters and games. And he goes for it all on a lot of plays, so on the few occasions he misses, it turns into a huge play (see: Dallas Clark). He's kinda like Jevon Kearse in a lot of ways--goes after guys with some insane athleticism and speed and makes some incredible plays that make you look twice...but is inconsistent sometimes still, disappears sometimes, and won't consistently make the easy play.

[Preston27]

Woah now, the KC Chiefs would be a huge jump for the Texans.

But on topic, I wouldn't be too upset if OL, TE, and defense were the only positions the Texans went with after after the first pick.

Next year the top Texans pick should definately be a defensive stud.

[stevel]

I think you're both right. The Pitt/Indy game was won in the trenches..nothin else. Pitt dominated both sides of the line, and that's why they won. Indy couldn't establish much of a run except for a short spurt, and they couldn't deal with Pitt's pressure on the QB except when they let up for that short spurt at the end. Indy also couldn't get to Big Ben much..and when they could, he could move. And obviously Pitt was running it like crazy, esp later.

So I say hit both lines hard. And a 4-3 please. I think VY or Bush could help us...but not without help on the lines especially.

Also, Polamalu has been good...but he's also disappeared for quarters and games. And he goes for it all on a lot of plays, so on the few occasions he misses, it turns into a huge play (see: Dallas Clark). He's kinda like Jevon Kearse in a lot of ways--goes after guys with some insane athleticism and speed and makes some incredible plays that make you look twice...but is inconsistent sometimes still, disappears sometimes, and won't consistently make the easy play.

While I would not be adverse to trading down to get Oline and Dline help. Alot of our problems could be addressed through better coaching. In Sunday's paper McClain said that Kubiak was looking at the Broncos Line coach as OC and Oline coach, and Marinelli as DC (Tampa's Dline coach). Switching to a 4-3 might help our D quite a bit as our players seem to fit that scheme better. SD turned their team around be hiring a stud Oline coach and adding a few mid level FAs on D. I can see us doing the same thing.

[DrLudicrous]

I agree completely. New coaching + OLine + Better Defense will help this team much more than Young or Bush ever could.

[Rocket River]

Wasn't Pendry brought in to fix the o-line
he didn't. . . palmer got run . . he got palmer's job
and still didn't fix. . . so he got run along with Dom

Our offensive line was bad last year
but this year it was ridiculous

Rocket River

[ima_drummer2k]

I agree completely. New coaching + OLine + Better Defense will help this team much more than Young or Bush ever could.
Maybe we can take an offensive line or a better defense with the first pick instead of Bush?

[stevel]

Wasn't Pendry brought in to fix the o-line
he didn't. . . palmer got run . . he got palmer's job
and still didn't fix. . . so he got run along with Dom

Our offensive line was bad last year
but this year it was ridiculous

Rocket River

Pendry wasn't an O-line coach. He was an OC with Capers in Car. I think that was part of the problem with the O-line and with Capers. I think the guys SD hired was Houston Hawk or Hauk, but he is supposed to be one of the best in the league and their O-line turned around from on the the worst to one of the better units without changes to the players.

[bplld]

^Pendry waas the O-Line coach before he got promoted to offensive coordinator.

This team just needs an identity first. Lets establish that offense and then go for the D. I think a 4-3 switch could really help, most defensive players were claiming that a 4-3 would really help them. There is space in the draft for us to pick up a CB and possibly a LB. I think the texans are playoff bound next year.

[stevel]

I know Pendry was the O-line coach here, but I think this was his first stint as an O-line coach. If he was an O-line coach previous to his stop here, you never heard his name mentioned as a top guy in the league, such as Bugel, Hauck, Gibbs etc....

[DrLudicrous]

Maybe we can take an offensive line or a better defense with the first pick instead of Bush?

I wouldn't be opposed to that, I trust the Texans to know what to do with the pick more than me (assuming the new coach is making the decision and not Casserly). Regardless of what they do with the number one pick they have to improve the offensive line and defense if the team is going to improve drastically.

[Luckyazn]

AJ Hawk/Winston Justice or Reggie Bush

[solid]

Offensive Line, in desperate need of repair. If the Texans could outscore some teams, the defense would improve. This season they were overworked. Too many three and outs.

[stevel]

AJ Hawk/Winston Justice or Reggie Bush

How are you going to get both? I can see how you get Hawk, but I have seen most mock drafts listing Justice as a first round prospect. The only team with 2 first rounders is Den, and they draft at 16 and somewhere in the late 20's early 30's - which means no Hawk.

[Hakeem06]

this team needs a new EVERYTHING. the defense was awful, the offense was awful, the o line is the worst i've ever seen in professional football. the texans need A LOT not just defense, not just VY or reggie. that's why i believe if they can get two first rounders for the #1 overall pick or a high first rounder and good player of need, you take the trade. this draft looks to be very talented and very deep. take as many picks on the first day as possible.

[swilkins]

this team needs a new EVERYTHING. the defense was awful, the offense was awful, the o line is the worst i've ever seen in professional football. the texans need A LOT not just defense, not just VY or reggie. that's why i believe if they can get two first rounders for the #1 overall pick or a high first rounder and good player of need, you take the trade. this draft looks to be very talented and very deep. take as many picks on the first day as possible.

Sometimes you don't need to overhaul the whole team. Hopefully, the new coaching staff can pinpoint our biggest weakness and accommodate with the draft and free agency.

[Luckyazn]

We need to drafts Dfense players like Pitts

year in year out the seem to get the same solid Dfense guys

I would never see Babin/Travis Johnson/PhilipB be picked up by them

[gucci888]

This is probably something we can all agree with. :)

I know our cap situation was pretty bad last season, but man did Casserly strip our defense. Buchannon looked like a HUGE mistake last season, couldn't cover, couldn't tackle, but can run his mouth like no other. Babin showed a little bit of promise at the end of the season, but what a waste of a pick. The verdict is still out of TJohnson, it's hard to guage the performance of a rookie defensive tackle in my opinion, but passing on DJohnson was a joke. More tackles than Polk this season, and more tackles than Orr and Peek COMBINED.

Anyone know what the deal with Wong is? Is he expected to make a complete recovery by next season?

[stevel]

This is probably something we can all agree with. :)

I know our cap situation was pretty bad last season, but man did Casserly strip our defense. Buchannon looked like a HUGE mistake last season, couldn't cover, couldn't tackle, but can run his mouth like no other. Babin showed a little bit of promise at the end of the season, but what a waste of a pick. The verdict is still out of TJohnson, it's hard to guage the performance of a rookie defensive tackle in my opinion, but passing on DJohnson was a joke. More tackles than Polk this season, and more tackles than Orr and Peek COMBINED.

Anyone know what the deal with Wong is? Is he expected to make a complete recovery by next season?

In fairness to Babin he played most of this season with a torn labrum. Anything that would inhibit the use of your shoulder would obviously negatively impact the play of a pass rusher.

[Hakeem06]

Sometimes you don't need to overhaul the whole team.

agreed, but when you just went 2-14 and made some of the personel moves that they made last year. A LOT needs to be changed. i'm not sure a new coaching staff can get the same guys to just simply play better and get the texans to the playoffs. things like that don't happen a lot with 2-14 teams.

but being a dallas fan and seeing what jimmy johnson did by trading one player for additional draft picks that turned into the likes of an emmitt smith and a handful of other players that built a dynasty, sometimes if someone is desperate for ONE guy, you can get A LOT in return. if that situation presents itself to the texans, they need to take a long hard look at that option. it may not be popular with the fans or media, but if it works out and the team becomes good or even great, they forget VERY easily.

[stevel]

agreed, but when you just went 2-14 and made some of the personel moves that they made last year. A LOT needs to be changed. i'm not sure a new coaching staff can get the same guys to just simply play better and get the texans to the playoffs. things like that don't happen a lot with 2-14 teams.

but being a dallas fan and seeing what jimmy johnson did by trading one player for additional draft picks that turned into the likes of an emmitt smith and a handful of other players that built a dynasty, sometimes if someone is desperate for ONE guy, you can get A LOT in return. if that situation presents itself to the texans, they need to take a long hard look at that option. it may not be popular with the fans or media, but if it works out and the team becomes good or even great, they forget VERY easily.

The 03 Chargers were 4-12 and the 04 Chargers were 12-4. It can be done.

[Preston27]

What do you guys think about picking up Dwayne Slay in the mid rounds?

[rocketfan83]

What do you guys think about picking up Dwayne Slay in the mid rounds?


That'd be awsome. He hits as hard as any safety I've seen.

Where is he projected to go?

I'm guessing 2nd maybe 3rd round.

[Preston27]

I've heard 3rd-4th, but he could move up to second if he performs well at the combine.

[Hakeem06]

The 03 Chargers were 4-12 and the 04 Chargers were 12-4. It can be done.


there are A LOT more problems with the texans than there were with the chargers. the chargers had an awful defense but a very good defense. they also made a lot of personel changes and made wade phillips their defensive coord. in short, the texans need a lot more than the the chargers did to get better. the texans are a very poor team across a lot of different fronts.

[Luckyazn]

there are A LOT more problems with the texans than there were with the chargers. the chargers had an awful defense but a very good defense. they also made a lot of personel changes and made wade phillips their defensive coord. in short, the texans need a lot more than the the chargers did to get better. the texans are a very poor team across a lot of different fronts.


That's kinda sad when we're like the top 5 in team payroll

[MadMax]

there are A LOT more problems with the texans than there were with the chargers. the chargers had an awful defense but a very good defense. they also made a lot of personel changes and made wade phillips their defensive coord. in short, the texans need a lot more than the the chargers did to get better. the texans are a very poor team across a lot of different fronts.

i agree. i'm not sure where the idea comes that this team is one draft away from being a playoff team...or even a competitive team. i don't get it.

defensive line? awful. no pressure. ever.

defensive backs? well...we have one good corner. need help everywhere else. marlon mccree is sure looking good, though, isn't he?

offensive line? awful. attempts each year to break its own previous record for sacks allowed

quarterback? jury is still out. no one knows for sure yet...at least partly because of the OL, above.

running back? DD is the lone bright spot. i like morency, as well. i think our group here is the best group of players we have on the team.

tight ends? do we even have one?

receivers? well...there's Andre...and then there's....well....ummmmm...did i mention Andre?

kick returner? sadly, he might be our best player.


This team has so many weak spots and holes it's silly. we earned that 2-14 record.

[rhester]

i agree. i'm not sure where the idea comes that this team is one draft away from being a playoff team...or even a competitive team. i don't get it.

defensive line? awful. no pressure. ever.

defensive backs? well...we have one good corner. need help everywhere else. marlon mccree is sure looking good, though, isn't he?

offensive line? awful. attempts each year to break its own previous record for sacks allowed

quarterback? jury is still out. no one knows for sure yet...at least partly because of the OL, above.

running back? DD is the lone bright spot. i like morency, as well. i think our group here is the best group of players we have on the team.

tight ends? do we even have one?

receivers? well...there's Andre...and then there's....well....ummmmm...did i mention Andre?

kick returner? sadly, he might be our best player.


This team has so many weak spots and holes it's silly. we earned that 2-14 record.

There are many people (Most obviously Dan Reeves and Charlie Casserly) who think the team is much better than the record.

Nope! Could have won 2-3 more games (especially the ones they gave away)

But that doesn't mean the team is better. They don't have the talent.

I hope Bob McNair realizes the team must rebuild, avoid quick fix and start over with a better base than what they started with 4 yrs ago.

Doesn't matter if they take Young or Bush if the next 7 or 8 picks are really good ones and they get good position coaches.

[swilkins]

There are many people (Most obviously Dan Reeves and Charlie Casserly) who think the team is much better than the record.

Nope! Could have won 2-3 more games (especially the ones they gave away)

But that doesn't mean the team is better. They don't have the talent.

I hope Bob McNair realizes the team must rebuild, avoid quick fix and start over with a better base than what they started with 4 yrs ago.

Doesn't matter if they take Young or Bush if the next 7 or 8 picks are really good ones and they get good position coaches.

Most likely, only 3 (maybe 4) players in the draft will start. If McNair/Reeves thought that the team needed a major overhaul, they wouldn't have kept Casserly.

[stevel]

i agree. i'm not sure where the idea comes that this team is one draft away from being a playoff team...or even a competitive team. i don't get it.

defensive line? awful. no pressure. ever.

defensive backs? well...we have one good corner. need help everywhere else. marlon mccree is sure looking good, though, isn't he?

offensive line? awful. attempts each year to break its own previous record for sacks allowed

quarterback? jury is still out. no one knows for sure yet...at least partly because of the OL, above.

running back? DD is the lone bright spot. i like morency, as well. i think our group here is the best group of players we have on the team.

tight ends? do we even have one?

receivers? well...there's Andre...and then there's....well....ummmmm...did i mention Andre?

kick returner? sadly, he might be our best player.


This team has so many weak spots and holes it's silly. we earned that 2-14 record.

We would obviously be adding more than one drafts worth of players. We will have a completely new coaching staff, we have, as it stands now, 4 picks in the top 66 of the draft - they should be able to contribute, we will add players durig FA that should help, and some of younger players should mature and develop (Mathis, Brown, Earl, Babin, Peek, and Morency). This can all add up to dramatic changes in the record for next season. I am not saying they will for sure make the playoffs, but you cannot guarantee they won't either. Again, they were not drastic changes in personel from the 03 and 04 Chargers teams that went from 4-12 to 12-4.

[Hakeem06]

That's kinda sad when we're like the top 5 in team payroll

that is EXACTLY why casserly needs to go too! he has done an awful job of evaluating talent and paying accordingly. you can't just go out and a pay a ton of money to guys who haven't proven a whole hell of a lot.

[stevel]

that is EXACTLY why casserly needs to go too! he has done an awful job of evaluating talent and paying accordingly. you can't just go out and a pay a ton of money to guys who haven't proven a whole hell of a lot.

I agree with this. Morlon Greenwood - horrible contract. Todd Wade - horrible contract Marcus Coleman - horrible contract. Buchannon - horrible trade. Babin - I will hold out judgement on him as they have asked him to play a completely different position than he did in college, BUT they gave up too much to get him.

[MadMax]

We would obviously be adding more than one drafts worth of players. We will have a completely new coaching staff, we have, as it stands now, 4 picks in the top 66 of the draft - they should be able to contribute, we will add players durig FA that should help, and some of younger players should mature and develop (Mathis, Brown, Earl, Babin, Peek, and Morency). This can all add up to dramatic changes in the record for next season. I am not saying they will for sure make the playoffs, but you cannot guarantee they won't either. Again, they were not drastic changes in personel from the 03 and 04 Chargers teams that went from 4-12 to 12-4.

you're right...i can't guarantee anything about pro sports. just giving my opinion. i don't see a good young team on the rise. i'd love to be wrong.

[stevel]

you're right...i can't guarantee anything about pro sports. just giving my opinion. i don't see a good young team on the rise. i'd love to be wrong.

I personally believe things can be turned around much sooner than most probably think, BUT I am assuming a good draft (which I characterize as getting 3-4 contributors) and some decent FA moves. I would love to see us go after Vaden Bosch as a DE from the Titans. Gotta love taking players from rivals. I am also thinking that ALOT of our problems stemmed from poor coaching - I am hoping the new staff will cure that.

[rhester]

I personally believe things can be turned around much sooner than most probably think, BUT I am assuming a good draft (which I characterize as getting 3-4 contributors) and some decent FA moves. I would love to see us go after Vaden Bosch as a DE from the Titans. Gotta love taking players from rivals. I am also thinking that ALOT of our problems stemmed from poor coaching - I am hoping the new staff will cure that.

If turned around means winning 5-7 games I agree. But alot of people still think this was somewhat of a fluke year (like Dan Reeves). The season we won 7 games was the fluke year.

Look at the talent. Bad run defense, not near enough QB pressure, poor coverage in the secondary. There is one guy on the defense that we don't need to upgrade- D. Rob

Offensive line- well they could use at least 3 positions- and the TE?- none
Another receiver in the worst way.

I think we are 12 players away from a decent team - 8-10 wins.

We are just an expansion team, we need to be patient.
We had the wrong GM building the team, we need to be extra, extra patient (he will eventually be fired)