What if Bush doesn't come out(he is taking his time declaring for the draft.)?

[TheDynastyInMs]

Just hypothetical, but USC did lose the national championship and he might want to come back to school to try and win with sanchez as QB. If this happens do you think we should trade the pick, take Young, or what? Give me your opinions. NOT saying this is going to happen, but he is taking his time declaring for the draft.

[hoang17]

Just hypothetical, but USC did lose the national championship and he might want to come back to school to try and win with sanchez as QB. If this happens do you think we should trade the pick, take Young, or what? Give me your opinions. NOT saying this is going to happen, but he is taking his time declaring for the draft.

I'm pretty sure that Bush is going to declare, he's just biding his time.

But if he ends up not declaring, this just makes the decision that much eaiser.

1. Draft Vince #1
2. Trade Carr for 2nd Round Pick
3. Draft OL with your 2 2nd round picks
4. Use your 3rd on a TE

[ima_drummer2k]

GOOD LORD, another Bush/Young thread???

[Hakeem06]

he's coming out, don't worry.

and if you trade carr, you better get more than 2nd round pick. i bet you can still get a #1 for him. it won't be anywhere in the top 15 but you can still get a mid-late first rounder for carr. you can't just settle for a #2 for a guy you drafted #1 overall and is a very talented player.

[hoang17]

he's coming out, don't worry.

and if you trade carr, you better get more than 2nd round pick. i bet you can still get a #1 for him. it won't be anywhere in the top 15 but you can still get a mid-late first rounder for carr. you can't just settle for a #2 for a guy you drafted #1 overall and is a very talented player.

Yeah, we drafted him #1 overall 4 years ago and 400 sacks later I think he's not the same guy that we drafted. So I would be delighted if we could get a 2nd round pick for him. Especially if it's from Oakland, it'll be a high 2nd.

[Xenon]

he's coming out, don't worry.

and if you trade carr, you better get more than 2nd round pick. i bet you can still get a #1 for him. it won't be anywhere in the top 15 but you can still get a mid-late first rounder for carr. you can't just settle for a #2 for a guy you drafted #1 overall and is a very talented player.

This is David "hasn't done jack in 4 years" Carr you're talking about right? Carr has been ruined by this team and he will never live up to the potential he once had. Might as well start over with a clean slate and Vince Young.

[TMac640]

then we do the only logical thing

threaten his family members.

[Hakeem06]

Might as well start over with a clean slate and Vince Young.

i agree, but david carr can still be a very good player if he has a half way decent offensive line.

and as mobile as vince is, he isn't going to get this team much further without a better line either. the texans need to get this line better before they go off and possibly ruin another talented qb.

[swilkins]

Bush better come out. I think Vince needs at least 1 years worth of development, without the risk of injury.

I still think we'll draft Bush and Young will be McNair's replacement in Tenn.

At least I hope.

[Groogrux]

GOOD LORD, another Bush/Young thread???

And there's only three and a half months until the NFL draft!

[RocketJedi]

Bush's press conference is supposedly scheduled for tomorrow. We'll have to wait and see if that's right.

[jtotheb]

FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GOD, NO ONE IS GIVING UP A 2ND ROUND PICK FOR DAVID CARR!!!

Whew...I feel better.

[The Real Shady]

FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GOD, NO ONE IS GIVING UP A 2ND ROUND PICK FOR DAVID CARR!!!

Whew...I feel better.

You're right we would get more than that.

[Harrisment]

You're right we would get more than that.

Care to make a sig bet on it? If we end up trading Carr this offseason (which looks very doubtful at this point anways) and we get more than a 2nd round pick, then you can do whatever you want with my sig until football season starts. If it's a 2nd rounder or less, I get yours. Deal? :)

[Drewdog]

GOOD LORD, another Bush/Young thread???

exactly what I was thinking.... When the hell is the draft so we can get this sh!t over with??

[Jayou]

You're right we would get more than that.If no one last offseason would trade for Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander, what makes you think that people would trade a 1st for Carr? We would be EXTREMELY lucky to get a second round pick for Carr. My gut feeling tells me we'd get a third and a player. Just look at what happened in the TO/49ers/Eagles/Ravens saga from last season.

[zoork34]

Care to make a sig bet on it? If we end up trading Carr this offseason (which looks very doubtful at this point anways) and we get more than a 2nd round pick, then you can do whatever you want with my sig until football season starts. If it's a 2nd rounder or less, I get yours. Deal? :)


man, i'd be in on that bet too. theres no waaaaaaay anybody would give up a 2nd round pick for carr. picks in the nfl draft are like gold. you dont trade them unless you are sure you are gonna get somebody that will be effective.

[jopatmc]

How about taking back salary from the Saints to get them to give up their #1 for Carr? They've got Brooks who apparently isn't in their plans. We could take Brooks off their hands along with their #1 in exchange for Carr, a third this year, and a first next year. Wouldn't they be tempted by that??

[Harrisment]

How about taking back salary from the Saints to get them to give up their #1 for Carr? They've got Brooks who apparently isn't in their plans. We could take Brooks off their hands along with their #1 in exchange for Carr, a third this year, and a first next year. Wouldn't they be tempted by that??

NO.

We are not getting the Saints 1st round pick even if we traded them Yao Ming, Tmac, and Earl Campbell. It AINT HAPPENING!

[juicystream]

For the people who think Carr is worth so much, remember that Travis Henry was being offered up last offseason for a third round draft pick and only the Titans gave that up and Henry went to college at Tennessee. Jacksonville was looking to give up a conditional pick. Henry had 2 back-to-back seasons of over 1350 yards rushing. Draft picks in the NFL are valued much higher than in other sports. Teams are always looking for more picks. Teams prefer to trade picks for other picks.

[Cire]

I would love it if Bush stayed for his Senior year. Send an email to the Texans to draft Vince Young: fanfeedback@houstontexans.com

[RocketJedi]

I would love it if Bush stayed for his Senior year. Send an email to the Texans to draft Vince Young: fanfeedback@houstontexans.com

He won't. By this time tomorrow he will have made it official. This is football not politics, the people have no say as far as draft picks go. Now some would say that fans have their say with their wallets and that is true. But winning will bring fans in, and even with drafting Young if the Texans keep losing, Reliant will be a tomb.

[Cire]

I think emails from fans for a celebrated hometown hero can easily influence a pick. It did with Hakeem.

[Buck Turgidson]

I think emails from fans for a celebrated hometown hero can easily influence a pick. It did with Hakeem.
You had email in '84? Smooth.

What you really need to do in a situation like this is set up an internet petition. As any Houston fan knows, those are foolproof.

p.s. The Texans are not deaf and dumb. They're well aware of the public outcry in favor of VY. They are apparently not swayed by this. You must redouble your efforts - write the governor, call your congressmen, hire skywriters, whatever it takes until you feel your voice has been heard.

Just don't start any more VY-related threads.

[Cire]

lol about '84 email, but you understood that I meant public outcry did influence the Hakeem decision. He was huge around here. Jordan was also talked about being the number 1 pick all over.

Right now, I think the choice of coach will be the biggest factor. Dan Reeves coached Carr before, so he would go Bush. Gary Kubiak also said he loves Young.

[reggietodd]

Cire. Thanks for the email address.

I sent them an email telling them I stand behind their decision to draft Reggie Bush, I mentioned that it was the correct football decision and told them to keep up the good work.

Thanks again for the address, I had no idea how to get that previously.

[reggietodd]

lol about '84 email, but you understood that I meant public outcry did influence the Hakeem decision. He was huge around here. Jordan was also talked about being the number 1 pick all over.

Right now, I think the choice of coach will be the biggest factor. Dan Reeves coached Carr before, so he would go Bush. Gary Kubiak also said he loves Young.

How old were you in '84? I don't remember a public outcry.

When did Dan Reeves coach Carr in the past? When did Kubiak say he loved Young?

[The Cat]

I'm not saying we would get a first rounder for Carr, but some of your expectations are far too low. Trade value for running backs is far different than it is for quarterbacks. Far different. Quality running backs come out of the late rounds (Domanick Davis, Lee Suggs, Rudi Johnson) all the time. Franchise quarterbacks are harder to find. People are willing to take the risk.

In the last two years, Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander and Travis Henry may not have gotten second round picks. You know who did? A.J. f'n Feeley. And he wasn't half as talented or proven as Carr... he simply had a mediocre 5 to 6 game stretch where he appeared he might be able to be a quality quarterback that didn't make the mistake... nothing more. And that commanded a second round pick. I'm aware he was cheaper than Carr, but that's offset because Carr clearly has worlds more talent.

Another example? Well, we've talked about him a lot on this board, but how about Chris Simms? He's restricted, and the Bucs will tender him the highest offer, so any team signing him would give up a first round pick at a minimum... and Mortensen reported Sunday that despite that price, there are still teams very interested in him (specifically the Lions and Dolphins) that would give up a first round pick. And for all the praise Simms gets, if you look at the numbers, he had a very similar year this year (in his third season) to the one Carr had last year (in his third season).

Again, I'm not necessarily saying it's a sure bet we'd get a first rounder, but teams are always willing to gamble on young, talented quarterbacks. The trade market for QBs (in terms of draft picks) isn't remotely close to what it is for running backs. If Feeley can get you a second, and Simms can get you a first and a third... I'm not convinced that all we'd get for Carr is a third rounder. Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll see.

[juicystream]

Did you notice that the dolphins made that trade for Feely and it is them and the Lions interested in Simms. Simms is also only been a starter for one year so people are more inclined to take him.

Late round quarterbacks usually don't get a chance to play. They are drafted as backups and not given the same chance like RBs who split time with other backs. If Drew Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, do we even know who Tom Brady is.

Brady, Favre, Volek, Plummer were not first round picks. I don't think that anybody is going to give up a first rounder. At this point I think that a late second rounder is about as good as they could get. I'm on the side of trading the pick to find very valuable help on defense and offensive lineman through trading down in the draft. QBs are the biggest gamble no matter where you take them.

[jopatmc]

How about offering Carr and Andre Johnson to the Saints or Titans? Would they do a deal for their pick then and if so, how many here would be willing to give up AJ for the chance to have a backfield of Young and Bush together?