A&M vs UT

[Mr. Brightside]

Predictions?

[thadeus]

There won't be anyone at the gym tonight, and I won't have to wait for any machines.

And there will be more morons on the streets than usual.

[RocketFan85]

I'm an aggie fan, but even I know it will not be close. TU wins by 30 in one sided game.....

[KingCheetah]

UT 56 -- A&M 10

[bplld]

Vince Young should have a big game, i dont see much of a shot at the hiesman though, after that big game by Bush. I am watching the rockets game over this, i say 62-24.

[Rocketman95]

45-17

UT.

[robbie380]

bet UT this game. a&m is just a really bad team. spread should be like 35+ but its not.

[Rocket River]

aTm - 45
Tu - 42

Rocket River
:(

[Harrisment]

Vince Young should have a big game, i dont see much of a shot at the hiesman though, after that big game by Bush. I am watching the rockets game over this, i say 62-24.

Well considering the Rockets come on 8 hours after this game starts, I think you're good.

[Major Malcontent]

Texas in an easy game but not a complete laugher.

Horns dominate but a couple turnovers keep it semi close 38-20 or some such

[Svpernaut]

Texas scores over 50 and has over 550 total yards... again. Oh, and they spank the hicks 59 to 3.

[meggoleggo]

UT's gonna kick ass. But I've got to be humble about it... I'm going to a house full of Aggies to watch the game. They're non-violent people, but there's always an exception.

[robbie380]

UT's gonna kick ass. But I've got to be humble about it... I'm going to a house full of Aggies to watch the game. They're non-violent people, but there's always an exception.


celebrate loudly and spit in their faces everytime texas scores

[NIKEstrad]

It begins...

7-0 Horns. Melton just levelled a guy.

[bigtexxx]

Yeah, UT's gonna destroy USC. Clearly.

;)

[KingCheetah]

Whoops...

[Hakeem06]

it's just one quarter. if it's close about halfway through the 3rd, i'd be worried as a texas fan. but it's still very early.

[bigtexxx]

UT's run defense is a problem.

Aggies now in the lead.

[Uprising]

WHOOOOOOOOOP!

TD AGGIES!!!

GIG EM BABY! WHOOOOOP!

:D :D :D :D

15-14 AGGIES BABY! 2nd quarter 9min left.

[Uprising]

FUMBLE TU!!!!


AGGIES BALL BABY!!! :D :D :D


Atleast the first half has been a decent game. no blowout yet (or at all?) :)

[BMoney]

I am not seeing this blow out of USC all of a sudden...they may not get to play them.

[pgabriel]

No surprise that the Aggies showed up today, it will still be a blow out. When fat ass Henry Melton is out running your secondary, it won't be long.

[desihooper]

TOUCHDOWN TEXAS!!!

Time to make a statement on defense!!

[Hakeem06]

still a lot of game left. great start for a&m and texas looks very lethargic and not ready. i still think texas puts it on the 2nd half, like they have all season. they make 2nd half adjusments with the best of them.

[Uprising]

What an awesome sack of Young to finish the first half.

This has been a fun game so far. I'm really enjoying it, sad I couldn't be there today. I gave my ticket to a buddy of mine, he's at the 45yard line.

Gig 'em.

[SuperS32]

This game seems very similar to the OkieState games, except Texas is leading. The O-line and D-line haven't woken up yet, and Vince seems unfocused

[bigtexxx]

The Aggies are dominating this game. The interception that McGee threw in the 1st quarter gave UT the lead at the half, but there's no question A&M has outplayed UT so far this game.

Total yards: A&M 262, UT 167
First downs: A&M 14, UT 10
Net yards rushing: A&M 179, UT 103
Net yards passing: A&M 83, UT 64

UT has to be concerned with their run defense. If they're able to make it to Pasadena, look for Reggie Bush to silce them up Ronco-style. McGee looks like the true dual threat QB out there with 96 yards rushing. Vince's heisman hopes are fading pretty quickly.

[RocketFan007]

Yeah, UT's gonna destroy USC. Clearly.

;)

USC has been down four times this season at the half. The score only matters after four quarters.

[bigtexxx]

USC has been down four times this season at the half. The score only matters after four quarters.

True, but Ok State and A&M are absolutely horrible football teams.

[RocketFan007]

The Aggies are dominating this game. The interception that McGee threw in the 1st quarter gave UT the lead at the half, but there's no question A&M has outplayed UT so far this game.

Total yards: A&M 262, UT 167
First downs: A&M 14, UT 10
Net yards rushing: A&M 179, UT 103
Net yards passing: A&M 83, UT 64

UT has to be concerned with their run defense. If they're able to make it to Pasadena, look for Reggie Bush to silce them up Ronco-style. McGee looks like the true dual threat QB out there with 96 yards rushing. Vince's heisman hopes are fading pretty quickly.

They've dominated the game, we've played as bad as we possibly could, but WE'RE STILL WINNING.

True, but Ok State and A&M are absolutely horrible football teams.

Wait, is A&M winning?

ASU is a terrible team, but they were up on USC 21-3 at the half.

[robbie380]

The Aggies are dominating this game. The interception that McGee threw in the 1st quarter gave UT the lead at the half, but there's no question A&M has outplayed UT so far this game.

Total yards: A&M 262, UT 167
First downs: A&M 14, UT 10
Net yards rushing: A&M 179, UT 103
Net yards passing: A&M 83, UT 64

UT has to be concerned with their run defense. If they're able to make it to Pasadena, look for Reggie Bush to silce them up Ronco-style. McGee looks like the true dual threat QB out there with 96 yards rushing. Vince's heisman hopes are fading pretty quickly.


do you want to trade yao too?

[Smokey]

Is there any doubt UT will not blow away A&M in the 2nd half?

[Smokey]

Umm fawk.

[bigtexxx]

Vince just looks lost. That's his 2nd fumble of the day.

[Smokey]

I just tuned in. Have the Aggies been running the option all game? Holy crap.

[Uprising]

:D :D BOOOOM!

Welcome back to Aggie Land TU!!!!


TD AGGIESS!!! WHOOOOP!


GIG EM BABY!!


:D

[bigtexxx]

:D :D BOOOOM!

Welcome back to Aggie Land TU!!!!


TD AGGIESS!!! WHOOOOP!


GIG EM BABY!!


:D

Stephen F'ing McGee

[rocketfan83]

Does UT have money on this game?

I mean they had to know aTm was going to bring their A game today.

All UT has to do is bring their C game and they win this game rather easily.

They've brought their F game so far. If they don't bring their A game from here on out they're going to miss out on the national championship.

aTm isn't going anywhere, they're playing for respect

[Uprising]

MAN, this is soooooo healing my wounds from this season.

Go TAMU!

GO TCU!!

[Uprising]

Does UT have money on this game?

I mean they had to know aTm was going to bring their A game today.

All UT has to do is bring their C game and they win this game rather easily.

They've brought their F game so far. If they don't bring their A game from here on out they're going to miss out on the national championship.

aTm isn't going anywhere, they're playing for respect


Actually TAMU is playing for a Bowl Game IIRC.

And to not have a losing season.

[Smokey]

UT usually gets killed when an opponent pulls out something new. In game adjustments isn't Mack's strength. But UT has played from behind well.

[robbie380]

wow mcgee is 5 of 17 right now...

[Smokey]

So predictable that it would be a fake on 4th and 1.

[rocketfan83]

Actually TAMU is playing for a Bowl Game IIRC.

And to not have a losing season.

My fault I didn't realize aTm was still alive for a bowl game. If I would have known that I probaly wouldnt be as suprsied to see the way they are playing this afternoon.

Where has this team been???

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

A&M Defense starting to look tired and Texas offense starting to heat up!

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

And the Texas can of whoop ass is now open!

[Ollie]

Finally... Hopefully the beginning of the end of this being a close game.

[Smokey]

Keep Fran!!!

Moral victory.

[Sishir Chang]

UT cannot tackle. Even if the Horns hang on here if they play SC like this its going to be a slaughter.

[Uprising]

TOUCH DOWN AGGIES!!!!


Man, you couldn't have asked for a better game for Black Friday. :D :eek: :D

[Uprising]

The world is sooo cruel! Tempations everywhere. Just got invited to go to JCI for some free food. I said I couldn't leave this game though. Too damn good!

Luckily, my sis rocks....she's bringing it home for me! :D

Gig 'em AGGIES!!!

[Smokey]

I feel bad for A&M. Two big turnovers in the 4th.

[Uprising]

Wow, the Aggies have really been shooting themselves in the foot today.

All those penalties. And now this! :( 2 fumbles in a row. That one was just muffed. ugh.


This has been a great game though. Way better than I expected. Has been a lot of fun to watch.

[Uprising]

WOW! Another 3 and out! Aggies! NO MORE TURNOVERS.

:) Let's go Offense.

[bigtexxx]

overrated, CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP

[Smokey]

I want to Texas to win but not off A&M turnovers. Lets see what A&M can do. Bring it.

[Smokey]

Block the punt!

[Harrisment]

Block the punt!

It's only 3rd down :)

[Smokey]

It's only 3rd down :)

:D

I lost track of downs.

[Smokey]

What a crappy punt. 22 yards?

[bigtexxx]

Very unsportsmanlike of Vince to push that Aggie while out of bounds, then on the next play throw the ball angrily at the guy who tackled him.

[AggieRocket]

40-29 UT. Texas will win today, but this is definitely a moral victory for A&M. No one thought this would be close and this is more of an A&M loss than a Texas win. Aggies killed themselves today.

BTW, McGee looks good!! Might be the real deal.

[Mr. Brightside]

A&M at least covered the +27.5 spread.

[MadMax]

11-0

...

[pgabriel]

overrated, CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP-CLAP


I'm sure the team apologizes for not meeting your lofty expectations of 30 point victories. But in the end, your life still has meaning, you still have two games to serve your purpose of hating on the Longhorns this football season, one of those on the biggest stage of the year. So don't be to down.

[BMoney]

For a program with all of that tradition, support and resources of A&M it sure is a shame to be encouraged by "only" getting 40 dropped on you. Weren't the Aggies supposed to be better this year?

[Kam]

damn this UT team sucks.

I was looking for a beatdown on a&m.

[reggietodd]

I think this proves that R. Mcneal is the one who is overrated. The Ags made a game of it with a freshman qb.

[AggieRocket]

Texas scores over 50 and has over 550 total yards... again. Oh, and they spank the hicks 59 to 3.

Looks like the **** couldn't quite score 59 and the hicks got a few more than 3 :)

BTW, I apologize for further playing on stupid stereotypes, but calling the Aggies a bunch of hicks is classless. Sometimes a lack of class has to be replied to with a lack of class.

[MadMax]

Looks like the **** couldn't quite score 59 and the hicks got a few more than 3 :)

yeah..the Ags are awesome!!! they've lost 6 straight to UT...but they kick ass!!!

[Sishir Chang]

Its possible that UCLA could expose SC tomorrow but right now the Trojans are looking very good for repeating.

[halfbreed]

Very unsportsmanlike of Vince to push that Aggie while out of bounds, then on the next play throw the ball angrily at the guy who tackled him.

Your penis envy for UT has reached epic proportions

[halfbreed]

Its possible that UCLA could expose SC tomorrow but right now the Trojans are looking very good for repeating.

USC doesn't have a running QB and that's what hurt UT today.

[AggieRocket]

yeah..the Ags are awesome!!! they've lost 6 straight to UT...but they kick ass!!!

My post was not intended to say that the Ags are awesome, but rather that some Longhorns are extremely classless in what they say. I'll also say that many Aggies are guilty of being just as classless as A&M, but I haven't seen one of those on this board today. I would be stupid to say that a bowl-ineligible team is awesome. I don't care if A&M loses sixty more to UT. At the end of the day, it is just a game.

[Hakeem06]

i wouldn't say texas sucks....they have played much better this year. they had a huge let down today and i thought their line play on both sides of the ball was awful. a&m played one of their best games of the season but made some mistakes on special teams that cost them. their quarterback is perfect for the option and they ran it beautifully today.

i can pretty much guarantee though that texas will not have a let down against whomever in the big 12 championship game. they will be ready especially since they have learned that showing up isn't enough.

[NIKEstrad]

But in the end, your life still has meaning, you still have two games to serve your purpose of hating on the Longhorns this football season, one of those on the biggest stage of the year. So don't be to down.

And when that's over, we'll have Longhorn basketball, and then Longhorn baseball.

[Smokey]

The biggest game for UT is next week. The season will be a disappointment if we don't win the Big 12. A national title would be icing on the cake.

[MadMax]

My post was not intended to say that the Ags are awesome, but rather than some Longhorns are extremely classless in what they say.I would be stupid to say that a bowl-ineligible team is awesome. I don't care if A&M loses sixty more to UT. At the end of the day, it is just a game.

and all i'm saying is it's a bad time to be saying, "see i told ya so" as an aggie fan.

[bejezuz]

My post was not intended to say that the Ags are awesome, but rather than some Longhorns are extremely classless in what they say. I would be stupid to say that a bowl-ineligible team is awesome.

An AGGIE complaining that Texas fans are classless? Except for bigtexxx, the Rice Owl apologist, I've never met a more insecure, dogmatic, blindly-loyal group of people than the Aggies I've met over the years. They must mindwash you guys at Fish Camp or something.

Yeah, calling people **** is classy. REAL classy. :mad:

[RIET]

This game has been a blessing in disguise. Our run defense has been very suspect the entire year. We cannot afford to have our safeties continuously cheat to stop the run.

Our LB's and DL must penetrate and we must mantain containment.

Without this game, it wouldve been business as usual. Hopefully Chizik can make an adjustment before the USC game.

[AggieRocket]

and all i'm saying is it's a bad time to be saying, "see i told ya so" as an aggie fan.

But I didn't say that though. As a matter of fact, a few posts prior, I said that losing by only 11 is a win for the Aggies. That is a compliment to Longhorn nation. You guys have an awesome team. No one questions that. But I take offense to people who think that Aggies are all hicks just like how many Longhorns take offense to Aggies who think all UT people are flag-burning homosexuals.

But anyway, good win for UT.

[AggieRocket]

Yeah, calling people **** is classy. REAL classy. :mad:

It is not classy at all. It's wrong and it is stupid. I said it to prove a point. I even mentioned that many Aggies are guilty of the exact same thing. That is why I apologized for saying it in the very same post.

[Hakeem06]

i think all of us can agree that tech fans are the worst in the state of texas..... :p

[francis 4 prez]

yeah..the Ags are awesome!!! they've lost 6 straight to UT...but they kick ass!!!


no one does moral victories quite like the boys from college station.

And when that's over, we'll have Longhorn basketball, and then Longhorn baseball

it's the gift that keeps on giving.




man, what a horrendous game. played like complete crap on offense and defense. if not for a blocked punt, a muffed punt, and that INT at the 15, we put up 23 points. somehow a&m's defense became as good as ohio state's over the off week. vince couldn't pass, he couldn't run, ramonce kept running backwards, the receivers dropped passes, PI penalties were turned into INT's, the line couldn't block, no one on the D could figure out how to get outside or stop the run against a team that couldn't pass. i'll assume this was just a horrible letdown since this team has obviously played much much better games.

and thanks to the way the heisman works, vince won't be winning it. apparently what happens is reggie bush takes as much time off from playing well as needed, and then when he has his best game of the season, we compare it to vince in his next game and if it isn't as good, bush wins the heisman. the double standard sucks, as bush was never penalized for off weeks. i guess vince will just have to win it next year.


and i wouldn't count on chizik adjusting to rushes outside. he hasn't all year and we continually get beat outside and have all the LB's and DE's pinned inside. it's just amazing that we haven't adjusted all year. chizik needs to give back his paycheck for this week b/c he obviously took the week off and forgot a&m actually likes to run the option (which they do all the time and would be even more likely to do w/ the backup). usc will score 35 minimum on us. fortunately, usc looked just as bad against fresno state, so assuming our O shows up, we've got at least 35 for them. the rose bowl might be the first team to 70 wins.

[Dubious]

The irony is A&M actually stood to make more money by losing than winning.
Their conference share of The Rose Bowl is probably more that their net after expenses in The Poulan Weedeater Bowl.

I think Vince musta had the flu today. He never looked like he had any energy. Plus as the day wore on he probably knew he was blowing any shot at the Heisman by being lackluster in front of a national audience, even more so after the week Bush had last week.

Oh well, a win's a win. 11-0 and on to bigger games.

And at least Vince is the front runner for next year's Heisman.

[RIET]

and i wouldn't count on chizik adjusting to rushes outside. he hasn't all year and we continually get beat outside and have all the LB's and DE's pinned inside. .


Yes but those failures have always been glossed over because we won big. This was a game we couldve lost. The opponents knew it but our own team believed how great we were.

I found it hilariious that before the start of the 3rd quarter, the sideline reporter quoted Mack Brown saying how he was surprised at how easily they were able to run the ball.

A$M continued to pound us inside and out and we continued to lose containment.

If this isn't a wakeup call, I don't know what is.

They have a whole month to prepare and there can't be any excuses after what happened today.

[Uprising]

Good game, very entertaining.

Congrats to UT. Good luck against USC, you are going to need it after having a hard time against my woeful Aggies. ;)

[halfbreed]

Count me among those who thought UT would dominate. I was obviously wrong. Hopefully this is a blessing for the coaching staff and the team and they use this as a reminder that you have to show up every week.

The one thing that can be taken from this game is perhaps a reawakening of a rivalry that many UT fans (myself included) have found non existant. Once McGee learns how to pass the ball well (he's only a Freshman, I believe) he'll be a double threat and much more dangerous.

Good game by the Aggies and the Horns.

[gucci888]

The Aggs gave us all we could handle this afternoon, ya'll played a great game. Franchione executed a really good plan and really caught us off guard w/ the option offense. I don't anyone knew McGee had some wheels on him.

Even though it has been all UT for the last couple years, it just shows that nothing is all that easy on Kyle Field. See ya'll next year.

[Bassfly]

You have to excuse bigtexxx. It must suck going to school that no one cares about and living vicariously through other teams.

Your shtick is tired and weak man.

[Rule0001]

You have to excuse bigtexxx. It must suck going to school that no one cares about and living vicariously through other teams.

Your shtick is tired and weak man.
owned haha

[IC2000]

owned haha

Vince Young is soo overrated, there is no way he should be a top pick. Those who say the texans should draft him are on drugs. He can only hit players in the flats. Every other throw is behind the receivers , overthrown etcc. Although,h e can run like hell though. There is no way this guy can be a good nfl quarterback. The only time he passes well is when he has all day to throw or dumps it off. He is also a classless arrogant piece of trash like a good portion of Texas fans.

[Puedlfor]

He is also a classless arrogant piece of trash like a good portion of Texas fans.

yes, the most classless thing he does is the way he constantly praises opposing defenders for making good plays against him, or hitting him hard. What a dick.

[nycrocket]

h e can run like hell though.

In that moronic paragraph, at least you got 1 thing right.

[IC2000]

In that moronic paragraph, at least you got 1 thing right.

no other response than that? I don't think he made a good throw all day.

[updawg]

no other response than that? I don't think he made a good throw all day.
not worthy of a response

[nycrocket]

no other response than that? I don't think he made a good throw all day.

How bout you not call people trash.

There are only a couple of reasons I can think of why you would call Vincent Young a classless arrogant piece of trash.

1)You were laying points today.
2)Vince stole your scholarship.
3)Vince f***ed your sister.
4)You are a milkman.

I'm betting it's either 1 or 4. Whoop.

[Bassfly]

Seriously, the whole VY can't throw and VY will be a (insert any position other than QB) in the NFL *****-talking is so two years ago.

[gucci888]

Vince Young is soo overrated, there is no way he should be a top pick. Those who say the texans should draft him are on drugs. He can only hit players in the flats. Every other throw is behind the receivers , overthrown etcc. Although,h e can run like hell though. There is no way this guy can be a good nfl quarterback. The only time he passes well is when he has all day to throw or dumps it off. He is also a classless arrogant piece of trash like a good portion of Texas fans.

Haha, another Agg that can't stand another lost. It's really ashame that you have to put in a moronic post like this, especially since this thread has been somewhat tame considering the rivalry between us.

But you're right, I guess he's overrated. I mean, just look at his career so far:

1. #3 QB in the nation in QB rating.
2. Is 28-2 as a starter for UT.
3. Has completely broken most of UT's offensive records.
4. Won the RoseBowl.
5. Won RoseBowl MVP.
6. Beat tOSU at home.
7. Has won 17 games in a row.
8. Completing 63.5% of his passes.

And I forgot how classless he is when he gives a pat on the helmet for every defender that brings him down. Real classy dude, quit while your ahead.

[Hakeem06]

if you think vince can only hit players in the flats you haven't see a lot of vince young. that is flat out STUPID statement. he throws the ball well all around the field. yes, he had a poor game today, but other great players have had bad games. that is what today's game was for vince, a bad game. yeah, it will probably cost him the heisman but that doesn't take away the fact that he is still the most dynamic QB in college football and is 28-2 as a starter.

[Rocketman95]

Looks like the **** couldn't quite score 59 and the hicks got a few more than 3 :)

Real classy there. And don't come back and tell me hicks is as bad as ****. Loser.

[Rocketman95]

if you think vince can only hit players in the flats you haven't see a lot of vince young. that is flat out STUPID statement. he throws the ball well all around the field. yes, he had a poor game today, but other great players have had bad games. that is what today's game was for vince, a bad game. yeah, it will probably cost him the heisman but that doesn't take away the fact that he is still the most dynamic QB in college football and is 28-2 as a starter.

But you're just a t-shirt fan. Bwahahahahaha. :rolleyes: Meanwhile, some posters who have made it clear in the past they were not Aggie fans, had to be reduced to rooting for a close game today. That's how desperate they've gotten. So sad and pathetic. In this weekend of thanksgiving, I give thanks that I'm not that pathetic.

11-0.

[Rocketman95]

11-0.

And no, I'm not referring to the current Rockets score. :D

[The Ming Dynasty]

But you're just a t-shirt fan. Bwahahahahaha. :rolleyes: Meanwhile, some posters who have made it clear in the past they were not Aggie fans, had to be reduced to rooting for a close game today. That's how desperate they've gotten. So sad and pathetic. In this weekend of thanksgiving, I give thanks that I'm not that pathetic.

11-0.
It's people like you that make me hope USC kicks your A$$! :mad:

[bigtexxx]

It's people like you that make me hope USC kicks your A$$! :mad:

Yup, the actual UT grads are good people, but when you mix in the t-shirt fans, it gets ugly.

[The Ming Dynasty]

Real classy there. And don't come back and tell me hicks is as bad as ****. Loser.
You're absolutely right, loser...hicks aren't near as bad as ****, so go back and keep Austin weird... Steers and queers, no place but texas.

[reggietodd]

It's people like you that make me hope USC kicks your A$$! :mad:

You should just be glad that you get to see the two best teams in the nation face off for the national championship. I'm not a UT fan nor an Aggie fan, but I can appreciate a good football game and the BCS finally got one right. I personally think UT will have their hands full with USC, but i'm just glad i'll get to watch the two best teams in the nation square off.

[The Ming Dynasty]

You should just be glad that you get to see the two best teams in the nation face off for the national championship. I'm not a UT fan nor an Aggie fan, but I can appreciate a good football game and the BCS finally got one right. I personally think UT will have their hands full with USC, but i'm just glad i'll get to watch the two best teams in the nation square off.
And why should I be glad about that? :confused: I'm a AOF (Ag Only Fan; at least as far as college football is concerned) and I would have loved to knock off the 2nd ranked team in the nation, however...kudos to the Horns...they pulled it out. All I said in my previous post was that posters like Rocketman95 and their arrogant and cocky personalities make me hope that t.u. gets it's A$$ kicked, so I don't have to listen to all that BS all year long.

[Rocketman95]

It's people like you that make me hope USC kicks your A$$! :mad:

What exactly offended you about that post? It didn't even talk **** about A&M Wait, don't tell me you're one of them. Are they triplets?

[Rocketman95]

All I said in my previous post was that posters like Rocketman95 and their arrogant and cocky personalities make me hope that t.u. gets it's A$$ kicked, so I don't have to listen to all that BS all year long.

Are you serious? What was so cocky about my post? I barely even referenced the game, instead, I was laughing at some guy who's obsessed with "t-shirt fans" like myself and Hakeem06 (and I love his portrayal of us. We make it ugly...that's hilarious. I can just imagine a group of wild people coming up from San Marcos wrecking havoc on such a prim and proper town like Austin. :D).

I personally thought A&M played a great game today. I was happy they didn't lay down like the media already said they did before the game started. College football is better when A&M is good, plain and simple.

[The Ming Dynasty]

Are you serious? What was so cocky about my post? I barely even referenced the game, instead, I was laughing at some guy who's obsessed with "t-shirt fans" like myself and Hakeem06.

I personally thought A&M played a great game today. I was happy they didn't lay down like the media already said they did before the game started. College football is better when A&M is good, plain and simple.
My bad. ;) I thought you were talking smack against the Ags. Sorry, I misunderstood, we're cool. :cool:

[Rocketman95]

My bad. ;) I thought you were talking smack against the Ags. Sorry, I misunderstood, we're cool. :cool:

Well, I have before, but not today. :)

[Uprising]

not worthy of a response

Last time I checked, that is a response! :D

[JBIIRockets]

Man, I had it real good today.

Went to college station without a ticket, planning to scalp when i got there. A friend of mine comes up with the extra ticket and I told him "how much I owe you." He said, it's free. I was thrilled of course after expecting to pay face value. Then, turns out my seat is 80 rows up on the lower deck at the 10 yard line, while most of my friends had to pay face value and sit in the upper deck. Had a terrific view of the game. The blocked punt was a great view.

Then again I paid 200 bucks for an OU ticket and my same friends paid face value. so it all evens out.

Very impressed with Kyle Field and Aggie fans. The setup there is better than DKR for sure, more fan friendly.

[Kam]

... but I can appreciate a good football game and the BCS finally got one right. I personally think UT will have their hands full with USC, but i'm just glad i'll get to watch the two best teams in the nation square off.



The BCS didn't "get it right." It just so happened that UT and USC happened to stay undefeated.


knock on wood that USC and UT stays undefeated.

[Uprising]

Very impressed with Kyle Field and Aggie fans. The setup there is better than DKR for sure, more fan friendly.

Glad to hear you had a good day. It was a fun game. By the way. What's DKR? UT's field?

[Hakeem06]

rocketman how in the hell am i a tshirt fan???? damn, i can't even make a comment on a guy. i've seen him play every game since he's been at texas, i've seen his game. explain how in the hell i'm a t-shirt fan when i grew up in a texas household, both parents went there and dad has season tickets. i've seen pretty much every longhorn game since i was about 6 years old. yeah, i go to different school than texas, so the ***** what? i love texas state too and they're now my #1 team in college. i'm not just going to drop the 18 years i grew up in a nothing but texas longhorn household. it kind of gets engrained. i bet i've been to more texas football games in my 22 years than you have in you entire life. i like texas and root for them, so do about a million others...i guess they're tshirt fans too....

[MadMax]

rocketman how in the hell am i a tshirt fan???? damn, i can't even make a comment on a guy. i've seen him play every game since he's been at texas, i've seen his game. explain how in the hell i'm a t-shirt fan when i grew up in a texas household, both parents went there and dad has season tickets. i've seen pretty much every longhorn game since i was about 6 years old. yeah, i go to different school than texas, so the ***** what? i love texas state too and they're now my #1 team in college. i'm not just going to drop the 18 years i grew up in a nothing but texas longhorn household. it kind of gets engrained. i bet i've been to more texas football games in my 22 years than you have in you entire life. i like texas and root for them, so do about a million others...i guess they're tshirt fans too....

i think you're taking that out on the wrong guy. rocketman gets called a t-shirt fan all the time here. i don't think he was attacking you or putting you down. he didn't go to UT...but he's a huge Longhorn fan. i'm in the same boat. my family was all UT. i followed a girl to Baylor. :) i still love the 'horns!

[Hakeem06]

^^^
probably then...sorry rocketman. but someone has been getting on me about that, i just have to set the record straight. it's gets annoying when you can't even root for a team, even though you've rooted for them since essentially birth, because you go to different a school. i still love my school and i'll be there when texas state takes on texas in basketball, in texas state gear even though we are going to get our heads handed to us. i could easily switch, like a lot of people i know do, but i wont. we'll get killed and i'll be in agony every second of it.

[LongTimeFan]

The only thing good about today is knowing Reggie Bush is gonna run all over Texas. :D

[dylan]

I think it's very sad how it's evidently OK to throw around "***" and "queer" when trying to insult people in this forum. :(

[AggieRocket]

Real classy there. And don't come back and tell me hicks is as bad as ****. Loser.

I already said in that very same post that it was not classy and that I said it to prove the point that stereotypes are stupid. Instead of getting on me, why don't you get on your fellow Longhorn and tell him not to stereotype saying that all Aggies are hicks. I am about as far from a hick as possible.

As a school, UT is extremely classy. Your band's performance at Kyle Field in 1999 solidified that sentiment. However, people like Svpernaut give Longhorns a bad name. If Aggies are called hicks, then don't expect people to just take that and move on. If an Aggie had called UT students **** unprovoked, I don't think you and your fellow Longhorns would just accept it. If you can do that, then you are a better man than me.

Maybe I should not have stooped to the Svpernaut's level in throwing a stereotype. I apologize. I have repeatedly said that the comment was wrong. Now I feel like patting myself on the back. I merely responded to Svpernaut's stupid comment to prove a point and yet I am the first to apologize and realize that my comment was wrong. Not a single Longhorn supporter on this board has said that the hick comment was uncalled for. That is disappointing.

[AggieRocket]

I think it's very sad how it's evidently OK to throw around "***" and "queer" when trying to insult people in this forum. :(

Please reread my post where I said "***." Of course it is not OK to do that. As I have said repeatedly in multiple posts, I did it to show how stupid it is to stereotype. It most definitely is not OK to call people **** and queers. I am sorry I opened a Pandora's Box in trying to illustrate one poster's ignorance and stupidity.

On a side note, it is also sad that it is okay to call people hicks. I have apologized repeatedly for saying "****." Not a single Longhorn has said anything condemning that comment. The word has an extremely negative connotation with many people.

[dylan]

Did you guys hear this yet? One of the ROTC cadets was in charge of cleaning up horse turds from the cavalry horses. After the game he scooped up some in his shovel and flung it towards the Longhorn Marching Band, hitting several with horse crap.

Wow.

[Hakeem06]

not surprising...there are bad apples in every bunch. overall, though i still respect a lot of aggie fans because they have class, of course there are some who don't as there are horns fans who don't, i've seen a share of them too. it's just sad that some people can't get past the end results of a football game, regardless of who won. it's just a game. you don't need to fling sh!t at people. that's something a 12 year old does, or something that will get you a reality show on MTV, whatever.

[thadeus]

Getting so worked up over any sport is an activity barely worthy of a kid with Down's Syndrome.

[thadeus]

...unless it's Rockets basketball. I am going to drive to Memphis now and take a dump in Gasol's Hummer.

[Hakeem06]

^^^^
lmao....great stuff. better pick battier though, he's the one who killed us tonight....hell just take some exlax and go wild in all of their cars.... :D

[Rocketman95]

Hakeem06,

Fellow Bobcats should not fight. :D

Have fun at the game tomorrow!!

[Hakeem06]

^^^
sorry about that man. i just assumed you were the one throwing that around out there. regardless, tomorrow's game will be awesome. i invited my dad to come because i wanted him to experience texas state playoff football even though he's a die hard longhorn. he still goes for the cats though, hell his money is going there, why not? :D

[Major]

^^^
probably then...sorry rocketman. but someone has been getting on me about that, i just have to set the record straight. it's gets annoying when you can't even root for a team, even though you've rooted for them since essentially birth, because you go to different a school. i still love my school and i'll be there when texas state takes on texas in basketball, in texas state gear even though we are going to get our heads handed to us. i could easily switch, like a lot of people i know do, but i wont. we'll get killed and i'll be in agony every second of it.

You'll have to excuse bigtexxx. As a Rice alum, he hasn't experienced the idea of people not going to his school actually rooting for his team. He doesn't understand how normal it is, and is running out of lame putdowns of people, and has resorted to the stupidity of "you didn't even go there". Never mind that he's whining in a thread about two schools that he has no association with.

[IC2000]

How bout you not call people trash.

There are only a couple of reasons I can think of why you would call Vincent Young a classless arrogant piece of trash.

1)You were laying points today.
2)Vince stole your scholarship.
3)Vince f***ed your sister.
4)You are a milkman.

I'm betting it's either 1 or 4. Whoop.

Actually its none of those, i was at the game. He taunted the crowd , sat there and felt sorry for himself for losing the heisman. All sorts of things like that.

[LongTimeFan]

Actually its none of those, i was at the game. He taunted the crowd , sat there and felt sorry for himself for losing the heisman. All sorts of things like that.

I heard he called the Aggie fans gay or something along those lines, because of their tradition and singing and swaying. This was a few days ago. I heard it through word of mouth, haven't seen anything publicized about it.

[IC2000]

Haha, another Agg that can't stand another lost. It's really ashame that you have to put in a moronic post like this, especially since this thread has been somewhat tame considering the rivalry between us.

But you're right, I guess he's overrated. I mean, just look at his career so far:

1. #3 QB in the nation in QB rating.
2. Is 28-2 as a starter for UT.
3. Has completely broken most of UT's offensive records.
4. Won the RoseBowl.
5. Won RoseBowl MVP.
6. Beat tOSU at home.
7. Has won 17 games in a row.
8. Completing 63.5% of his passes.

And I forgot how classless he is when he gives a pat on the helmet for every defender that brings him down. Real classy dude, quit while your ahead.


He is a good college quarterback because of the run threat, all these other stats can be attributed to his supporting cast. He has all day to throw, and throws flat passes and 15 yard passes to wide open guys. Any average quarterback can make these passes.

[The Cat]

sat there and felt sorry for himself for losing the heisman. All sorts of things like that.

So you can see the thoughts he has inside his head? Wow, those mind-reading skills are very impressive.

[IC2000]

So you can see the thoughts he has inside his head? Wow, those mind-reading skills are very impressive.

thats what i saw and inferred and so did the announcers. Why the hell else would he be sitting like that when his team is getting one step closer to the national ch

[Cohen]

You'll have to excuse bigtexxx. As a Rice alum, he hasn't experienced the idea of people not going to his school actually rooting for his team. He doesn't understand how normal it is, and is running out of lame putdowns of people, and has resorted to the stupidity of "you didn't even go there". Never mind that he's whining in a thread about two schools that he has no association with.

LOL.

Too funny. :D

[francis 4 prez]

Did you guys hear this yet? One of the ROTC cadets was in charge of cleaning up horse turds from the cavalry horses. After the game he scooped up some in his shovel and flung it towards the Longhorn Marching Band, hitting several with horse crap.

Wow.


stay classy, college station.

although i guess with no smu cheerleaders around to stab with a sword, he had to find something to do.

[Molotov Cocktail]

I heard he called the Aggie fans gay or something along those lines, because of their tradition and singing and swaying. This was a few days ago. I heard it through word of mouth, haven't seen anything publicized about it.

It was in yesterday's Dallas Morning News. I don't have the link anymore, though. Long story short, he called Kyle Field fans a bunch of drunks and the swaying that Aggies do in the stands "ridiculous." Nothing too horribly bad, but not exactly smart, either. And it nearly came back to bite him in the ass today.

I was immensely proud of A&M today. I was among the many Aggie fans who thought this would be along the lines of 66-3. It's also depressing, because if A&M had played with this much heart all season, they'd be a hell of a lot better than 5-6. Most of that goes to coaching, or the lack thereof, I think.

And truth be told, I'm glad McNeal is moving on. For all his talent, he never morphed into the leader they needed him to be. And McGee is already showing that trait. The whole team seemed to feed off of his emotion today. I also saw some rumblings on Aggie message boards that there was more to McNeal sitting today out than a "high ankle injury." Hell, look at Jaxson Appel. He played with a broken rib and about 3 other injuries.

Great game. They should all be this good.

[Davidoff]

Wow, it's sad to see so many fellow Rockets fans go so low with the poo throwing in this thread.. :(

This thread is looking like something out of the D&D

[junglerules]

He is a good college quarterback because of the run threat, all these other stats can be attributed to his supporting cast. He has all day to throw, and throws flat passes and 15 yard passes to wide open guys. Any average quarterback can make these passes.

As long as this is your opinion, we'll know that it doesn't count because you clearly haven't watched a damn Texas game this year. Somehow, the weak spot in the team, the wideouts, is suddenly a "great supporting cast" that makes him look better than he is? What??? Oh, and I'm sure Billy Pittman is averaging 25 yards a catch because he's running little 5 yard hooks and flat patterns. Right.....Maybe he's just taking every little 5 yard route 70 yards after the catch because he's part of a tremendous supporting cast!! :rolleyes:

Bottom line- the arguments many people could make about Vince in the past years they cannot make so easily now. He no doubt struggled today, but the entire team looked flat for some reason. And if it only takes one bad game for all the haters to come out, then I'm sure if he redeems himself in the big 12 championship game, the haters will find something else to pick at. Make no mistake- he played a bad game today. But, if Heisman was on his brain and the team's collective brain, let's hope this performance wiped that out of the way and brought the focus back to the team instead.

[halfbreed]

Here's what I don't get:

As fans, we hate to see when a player isn't bothered by his poor performance. So why are people getting on Vince for feeling like he let his team down? I don't think Vince was mad that he lost the Heisman as much as he knew he wasn't performing to his abilities. Yes, we were still winning but Vince knew the game was way closer than it should have been.

IMO there's nothing wrong with feeling that you're letting your team down even though you may still be ahead on the scoreboard.

[IC2000]

Here's what I don't get:

As fans, we hate to see when a player isn't bothered by his poor performance. So why are people getting on Vince for feeling like he let his team down? I don't think Vince was mad that he lost the Heisman as much as he knew he wasn't performing to his abilities. Yes, we were still winning but Vince knew the game was way closer than it should have been.

IMO there's nothing wrong with feeling that you're letting your team down even though you may still be ahead on the scoreboard.

Honestly I realize ut did not play their best game but a lot of it had to do with aM just playing really well and ut not being focused or what now. It was the game everyone expected at the beginning of the year

[IC2000]

As long as this is your opinion, we'll know that it doesn't count because you clearly haven't watched a damn Texas game this year. Somehow, the weak spot in the team, the wideouts, is suddenly a "great supporting cast" that makes him look better than he is? What??? Oh, and I'm sure Billy Pittman is averaging 25 yards a catch because he's running little 5 yard hooks and flat patterns. Right.....Maybe he's just taking every little 5 yard route 70 yards after the catch because he's part of a tremendous supporting cast!! :rolleyes:

Bottom line- the arguments many people could make about Vince in the past years they cannot make so easily now. He no doubt struggled today, but the entire team looked flat for some reason. And if it only takes one bad game for all the haters to come out, then I'm sure if he redeems himself in the big 12 championship game, the haters will find something else to pick at. Make no mistake- he played a bad game today. But, if Heisman was on his brain and the team's collective brain, let's hope this performance wiped that out of the way and brought the focus back to the team instead.


I watched the majority of the games, he makes some other passes. But these guys are streaking wide open in the middle of the field or up the sideline. Basically as long as he realizes they are open and throws an ok pass then you have a touchdown. This was true especially in the tech and baylor games. Regardless, my point is that he gets way too much credit for being a great quarterback, when in reality he is just a great player (due to his running). My beef is with all these ut homers (who prob did not even go there or have any affiliation), talking about how the texans should get him. I think Reggie Mcneal or Brad Smith are just as good.

[The Cat]

thats what i saw and inferred and so did the announcers. Why the hell else would he be sitting like that when his team is getting one step closer to the national ch

I don't know, maybe he was disappointed in the team's play and thinking about things to do different for next week? Hard to "infer" that he's thinking about the Heisman Trophy or any other individual award, especially given the fact that anyone with a pulse knew he didn't have a chance to win it regardless of how he played today.

[The Cat]

I watched the majority of the games, he makes some other passes. But these guys are streaking wide open in the middle of the field or up the sideline. Basically as long as he realizes they are open and throws an ok pass then you have a touchdown. This was true especially in the tech and baylor games. Regardless, my point is that he gets way too much credit for being a great quarterback, when in reality he is just a great player (due to his running). My beef is with all these ut homers (who prob did not even go there or have any affiliation), talking about how the texans should get him. I think Reggie Mcneal or Brad Smith are just as good.

Have you ever watched a USC game?

The USC backs and receivers usually don't have anyone within five yards of them downfield. It's the byproduct of having such a great team - somewhere there's a mismatch and they will exploit it. Same for Oklahoma last year, Miami three years ago... etc. If you're going to apply the "Vince is only good because his receivers are often wide open" line of logic, that's fine, but realize that same logic applies to Leinart, Bush and all the other stars of recent great football teams.

[IC2000]

Have you ever watched a USC game?

The USC backs and receivers usually don't have anyone within five yards of them downfield. It's the byproduct of having such a great team - somewhere there's a mismatch and they will exploit it. Same for Oklahoma last year, Miami three years ago... etc. If you're going to apply the "Vince is only good because his receivers are often wide open" line of logic, that's fine, but realize that same logic applies to Leinart, Bush and all the other stars of recent great football teams.

Yea you are pretty much making my point for me , Whatever happened to : Ken Dorsey and Jason White. Bush is clearly not a quarterback and makes plays by himslef , much like vince does running. Leinart makes great throws all the time, but yes he does benefit from his team as well.

[Fatty FatBastard]

As a Raider, I will say that A&M played a hell of a lot better game against UT than we did.

[MadMax]

. I think Reggie Mcneal or Brad Smith are just as good.

well, then you're just wrong. if you honestly think that then you're just so ridiculously biased that you can't see how good Vince is.....or yesterday's game was the first UT game you've seen this season.

[IC2000]

well, then you're just wrong. if you honestly think that then you're just so ridiculously biased that you can't see how good Vince is.....or yesterday's game was the first UT game you've seen this season.

This is what I am talking about, UT fans are crazy. Its altleast close, i am not crazy for thinking they are in the same league.Whats hilarious is how everybody agreed last year that Reggie Mcneal was better, they even commented during the game how quickly things have turned around. Reggie had a very bad team that was full of injuries and a group or wrs who cant catch to save life.

[RIET]

This is what I am talking about, UT fans are crazy. Its altleast close, i am not crazy for thinking they are in the same league.Whats hilarious is how everybody agreed last year that Reggie Mcneal was better, they even commented during the game how quickly things have turned around. Reggie had a very bad team that was full of injuries and a group or wrs who cant catch to save life.

Only Aggies thought Reggie McNeal was better, even last year.

Vince Young was amazing in the Rose Bowl.
Reggie McNeal was amazing in?

Name 1 BIG game Reggie McNeal has helped A&M win in the last 2 years.

You can say it's the talent surrounding the team but that's a very superficial analysis. Texas has a lot more talent but Vince Young singlehandedly won the game against Michigan last year. Our freshman receivers were awful. Our only legitimate target was David Thomas.

This year, Young has helped develop the WR's into playmakers. He beat Ohio State with his pinpoint passing on the road and because of his presence created running holes for Jamaal Charles and Ramonce Taylor.

Reggie McNeal is not even close to being a great leader nor is he a great QB.

[Kam]

oklahoma?

was mcneal on that team that beat Oklahoma?

[bigtexxx]

Name 1 BIG game Reggie McNeal has helped A&M win in the last 2 years.

nice qualifier

[The Cat]

Yea you are pretty much making my point for me , Whatever happened to : Ken Dorsey and Jason White. Bush is clearly not a quarterback and makes plays by himslef , much like vince does running. Leinart makes great throws all the time, but yes he does benefit from his team as well.

They didn't have the arm to play in the NFL. It doesn't change the fact that they were great college players. OTOH, it's not just Dorsey and White. Peyton Manning had an outstanding supporting cast in college and benefitted from those same "wide open" plays. How is he doing now?

Also, that you act like this phenomenon is exclusive to quarterbacks is ridiculous. Bush does it by himself? Are you kidding? There were plays in the Fresno State game where he was 20 yards downfield before a defender was within five yards of him. He has the reigning Heisman winner at quarterback, one of the top offensive lines in the country and the greatest collection of surrounding skill position players (likely) in the history of college football. As a result, some of the holes Bush has are enormous... there are dozens of backs in college football who could be very successful given that situation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bush isn't very good, because he is. But he benefits from "wide open" plays just as much as quarterbacks on great teams do.

[superden]

oh geez,
ive watched vince play from the very beginning. his throwing has improved and he knows how to make plays. we all can agree that he can improve on his throwing more and sure he might not be very cut out to be a nfl quarterback, but give the guy credit where credit is due. dont try to take anything away from him bc his wr are open or because his o line is good. sure it is true, but he still has to make the plays, he still has to make the decisions. vince didnt have a good game yesterday, but i will want him over reggie mcneal or brad smith on our team any day.

im not really into the whole mud slinging between the aggies and longhorns, but all i know is that there were some aggies that defaced my longhorn on my car. not cool.

[Smokey]

Andre Ware
Gino Toretta
Danny Wuerffel
Eric Crouch
Jason White

need I go on?

[Bassfly]

Jacked this off orangebloods.com

Reggie's career


2002 6-6
Great win v. No. 1 Oklahoma. Lost to Tech, 47-48. Lost to Texas, 50-20. Though eligible, ATM opted not to play in a bowl game.

2003 4-8
Won by 2 against Utah. Lost to Oklahoma, 77-0. Lost to Tech, 59-28. Lost to Texas, 46-15. No bowl game.

2004 7-5
Quality wins v. Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. Lost to Texas, 26-13. Lost the Cotton Bowl to Tennessee, 38-7.

2005 5-6
Quality wins? Lost to Tech, 56-17. Lost to Texas, 40-29. No bowl game.

22-25
0-4 v. Texas
1-3 v. Tech
1-3 v. OU
1 Bowl Game
1 Bowl Game Loss
1 great win (OU).
4 other quality wins.


All I have to say is.. if you still think Reggie McNeal is still as good of a quarterback as VY... then I don't know man.

[RIET]

nice qualifier

If a player regresses in his junior and senior year, then he's not a good player let alone a great player.

[superden]

2005 5-6
Quality wins? Lost to Tech, 56-17. Lost to Texas, 40-29. No bowl game.

you cant really count the loss to texas since he didnt play.

[IC2000]

Jacked this off orangebloods.com

Reggie's career



All I have to say is.. if you still think Reggie McNeal is still as good of a quarterback as VY... then I don't know man.

Can you even compare the freaking talents on the teams?You people are idiots!!!!

[IC2000]

If a player regresses in his junior and senior year, then he's not a good player let alone a great player.

He put up some of the the best stats at quarterback in the nation last year! He was on the Heisman watch list going into the season. He lead a horrible 4-8 team his sophmore season that he LED to a 7-5 season and a bid in the cotton bowl as a junior. AM does not have the talent of UT or even the coaching. How can you take that out on Mcneal. He did all he could . I know you did not watch any of the games because he was not the problem. He lost 4 good wrs this year to injury and their best to the nfl. They had the worse pass defense in D1. His wrs would drop all his passes. That Michigan team they beat in the rose bowl was not that good either. The ohio state game was an impressive win but Vince did not singlehandely win that game.

[KingCheetah]

McNeal = overrated

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/kchee/obvious.jpg

[micah1j]

Can you even compare the freaking talents on the teams?You people are idiots!!!!

According to Rivals.com TAMU had recruting classes ranked 8, 13, 10, 23 for a 13.5 over the last 4 years. Texas had classes ranked 20, 10, 15, 1 for an average of 11.5. That seems very comparable. :cool:

[bejezuz]

He put up some of the the best stats at quarterback in the nation last year! He was on the Heisman watch list going into the season. He lead a horrible 4-8 team his sophmore season that he LED to a 7-5 season and a bid in the cotton bowl as a junior. AM does not have the talent of UT or even the coaching. How can you take that out on Mcneal. He did all he could . I know you did not watch any of the games because he was not the problem. He lost 4 good wrs this year to injury and their best to the nfl. They had the worse pass defense in D1. His wrs would drop all his passes. That Michigan team they beat in the rose bowl was not that good either. The ohio state game was an impressive win but Vince did not singlehandely win that game.

Who are you, McNeal's girlfriend? Auditioning to be his agent? He didn't even play yesterday, and the Aggies had the best game of their entire season. Case closed, time to move on.

No sympathy from me for the highly recruited stud that never panned out. I lived through Chris Simms. Potential is useless unless you can execute and produce. Maybe McNeal will blossom on the next level. But as it is, he picked the wrong team at the wrong time, and we'll never know how good he could have been.

[Kam]

McNeals not a bad player.

Somebody in the NFL will pick him up and be very glad they did.

[IC2000]

McNeals not a bad player.

Somebody in the NFL will pick him up and be very glad they did.

Agreed, in the end he will be a better pro quarterback than vince young

[halfbreed]

Agreed, in the end he will be a better pro quarterback than vince young

Classic moment in the making...

[nycrocket]

I think Reggie Mcneal or Brad Smith are just as good.

Since you seem to be focusing on passing stats, lets take a look at passing stats against common opponents. McNeal and Vince had 5 common opponents;Baylor,CU,Okie St.,OU, and Tech.

McNeal combined stats: 67/131, 830 yds., 5 TDs, 5 Ints

Young combined stats: 82/135, 1353 yds., 11 TDs, 3 Ints



Smith and Vince had 4 common opponents; Baylor,CU,Okie St., Kansas.

Smith combined stats: 63/116, 566 yds., 2 TDs, 2 Ints

Young combined stats: 75/113, 1154 yds., 10 TDs, 1 Int


These numbers dont even take into account rushing, victories, or playing time.

Talk about homerism.

[IC2000]

According to Rivals.com TAMU had recruting classes ranked 8, 13, 10, 23 for a 13.5 over the last 4 years. Texas had classes ranked 20, 10, 15, 1 for an average of 11.5. That seems very comparable. :cool:

that means nothing, am players dont progress because of franchione and the coaches

[IC2000]

All I have to say is.. if you still think Reggie McNeal is still as good of a quarterback as VY... then I don't know man.[/QUOTE]

classic moment in the making

[nycrocket]

Agreed, in the end he will be a better pro quarterback than vince young

If you compare McNeal's numbers in the Arena league vs. Vince's in the NFL, it might be close.

[IC2000]

Since you seem to be focusing on passing stats, lets take a look at passing stats against common opponents. McNeal and Vince had 5 common opponents;Baylor,CU,Okie St.,OU, and Tech.

McNeal combined stats: 67/131, 830 yds., 5 TDs, 5 Ints

Young combined stats: 82/135, 1353 yds., 11 TDs, 3 Ints



Smith and Vince had 4 common opponents; Baylor,CU,Okie St., Kansas.

Smith combined stats: 63/116, 566 yds., 2 TDs, 2 Ints

Young combined stats: 75/113, 1154 yds., 10 TDs, 1 Int


These numbers dont even take into account rushing, victories, or playing time.

Talk about homerism.


Since apparently you guys consist on this crap , what have i been saying THEY WOULD DO THE SAME IN VINCE'S POSITION. Those AM and Missouri teams do not have the same talent. Do you not see that? Where are Vince's stats against the #117 pass defense (dead last) in the nation?

[Kam]

Agreed, in the end he will be a better pro quarterback than vince young


now i never said that.

i just said that he will be playing on sundays, and doing a good job.

[LongTimeFan]

Imagine VY or Reggie in Leach's system... :eek:

[micah1j]

Speaking of passing stats: It's puff, puff, PASS IC2000! :D

[IC2000]

Since you seem to be focusing on passing stats, lets take a look at passing stats against common opponents. McNeal and Vince had 5 common opponents;Baylor,CU,Okie St.,OU, and Tech.

McNeal combined stats: 67/131, 830 yds., 5 TDs, 5 Ints

Young combined stats: 82/135, 1353 yds., 11 TDs, 3 Ints



Smith and Vince had 4 common opponents; Baylor,CU,Okie St., Kansas.

Smith combined stats: 63/116, 566 yds., 2 TDs, 2 Ints

Young combined stats: 75/113, 1154 yds., 10 TDs, 1 Int


These numbers dont even take into account rushing, victories, or playing time.

Talk about homerism.


Stats for the season

Reggie- 141 -265 1963 yards 53.2% 7.41AVG 80 long 16 tds 9 int

rushing-96 carries 664yards 6.9 63 3tds


Vince- 168 -268 62.7% 2576Yards 9.6AVG 23TDs 75 long 9int

rushing- 128 793yards 6.2 80 8tds


Yea vince had better stats, but not by as much as it would seem like! This does not take into account that Vince played a game and a half more and that Reggies WRs all suck and dropped so many passes this year. Yet this was Reggies bad year and he failed this year according to everyone, yet how bad was it really?

[KingCheetah]

What was the real reason McNeal was benched for the big UT game?

[nycrocket]

Since apparently you guys consist on this crap , what have i been saying THEY WOULD DO THE SAME IN VINCE'S POSITION. Those AM and Missouri teams do not have the same talent. Do you not see that? Where are Vince's stats against the #117 pass defense (dead last) in the nation?

One of the things you apparently fail to realize is that Young and McNeal have alot to do with the POSITIONS they are in. Vince makes his teammates better, and does what is neccesary to WIN. McNeal led his team to a sub .500 season and was dressed in street clothes during his final game at A&M.

You're obviously conVINCEd that McNeal/Smith are better. If you put more faith on what you saw on Sat. than on 4 and 5 games of statistics you're a homer.

[Sishir Chang]

USC doesn't have a running QB and that's what hurt UT today.

But USC does have a very good running back, a better O line than A&M, and a much better D. Leinert doesn't need to run great if UT can't tackle and I've seen Leinert run and he isn't that bad. He's no Vick but if UT can't defend the option he doesn't need to.

Its very possible this could be an aberration due to it being a big rivalry game but UT didn't look like a national Championship contender yesterday playing what should've been a very inferior team.

[IC2000]

What was the real reason McNeal was benched for the big UT game?

Because he was hurt and they held him out. He would be ineffective, and they could get mcgee some experience

[pgabriel]

Its very possible this could be an aberration due to it being a big rivalry game but UT didn't look like a national Championship contender yesterday playing what should've been a very inferior team.


USC has had close games against inferior comp all year. What makes them any more of a national title contender than UT. They almost lost a game to Fresno St.


As far as UT's defense, I can admit their weakness was exploited yesterday. Running up the middle. UT's weakest postion is linebacker, partly because Mack believes in the system Tom Osborne used to use. He takes speed guys, converted DBs and play them a linebacker. When you get up on an opponent like UT has done all year it works great. Nebraska was the same way, playing all their games ahead. But when you're in a tight game, and the opponent can run up the middle it gets exploited.

[Raven Lunatic]

Because he was hurt and they held him out. He would be ineffective, and they could get mcgee some experience

Well, from what we saw, it seems pretty apparent which "Mc" has a brighter future.

[halfbreed]

Anyone who can say and believe that McNeal has been as good or better than VY thus far is looking through some hardcore maroon colored glasses.

On another point, I agree UT didn't look like a national championship contender yesterday. USC's had those games as well. I honestly believe that both teams will have their best game on Jan. 4 (provided both make it) and we'll be in for a spectacular BCS championship game.

[nycrocket]

Yea vince had better stats, but not by as much as it would seem like! This does not take into account that Vince played a game and a half more and that Reggies WRs all suck and dropped so many passes this year. Yet this was Reggies bad year and he failed this year according to everyone, yet how bad was it really?

So by using these stats instead of the common opponents, you're saying a more fair evaluation of McNeal's talent is how he performed against Texas St. and SMU--basically 2 division 2 schools?

McNeal would have had a great career if he had played in Division 2, which is why he has a pretty good chance to have a decent Arena League career.

[pgabriel]

McNeal got his first start against a national contending OU team and won. McGee got his first start against a national contending UT team and had a great game. It means nothing about who is better, sometimes teams just get a boost from a change in routine. McNeal had a good career at A&M, he's leaving arguably the school's best qb ever. He'll get a shot at the NFL. He's not Vince Young, but he has been pretty good. The Aggies biggest problem all year was their defense.

[IC2000]

Anyone who can say and believe that McNeal has been as good or better than VY thus far is looking through some hardcore maroon colored glasses.

On another point, I agree UT didn't look like a national championship contender yesterday. USC's had those games as well. I honestly believe that both teams will have their best game on Jan. 4 (provided both make it) and we'll be in for a spectacular BCS championship game.

Vince has had one good year, Reggie had one good year

[IC2000]

So by using these stats instead of the common opponents, you're saying a more fair evaluation of McNeal's talent is how he performed against Texas St. and SMU--basically 2 division 2 schools?

McNeal would have had a great career if he had played in Division 2, which is why he has a pretty good chance to have a decent Arena League career.

He will be playing in the NFL for sure. And him playing those teams is the same as texas playing baylor rice and southeast west louisiana state tech

[IC2000]

McNeal got his first start against a national contending OU team and won. McGee got his first start against a national contending UT team and had a great game. It means nothing about who is better, sometimes teams just get a boost from a change in routine. McNeal had a good career at A&M, he's leaving arguably the school's best qb ever. He'll get a shot at the NFL. He's not Vince Young, but he has been pretty good. The Aggies biggest problem all year was their defense.

Finally somoene other than me that knows what they are talking about, the only thing we disagree on is that he is not as good as vince young.

[Puedlfor]

It's like comparing Tim Redding to Roy Oswalt. Both have talent and ability but while one is a Cy Young candidate, the other well - isn't.

Both have strong arms, but Reggie is far more inaccurate and throws the ball as hard as he can on every snap.

Both are athletic, but Vince is a gamebreaker running the ball while Reggie shies away from hits and that makes him an ineffective runner against good defenses.

And I won't even go into Vince's value as a team leader, and the confidence he gives the Longhorns - while Reggie does neither.

[Sishir Chang]

USC has had close games against inferior comp all year. What makes them any more of a national title contender than UT. They almost lost a game to Fresno St.

That's true but Fresno St. is a better team than A & M. They've only had three really close games against Fresno St., ASU and Notre Dame and all of those, even ASU, are better teams than A & M.

A week ago I would've given the edge to UT for the championship but now I think USC has a slight edge. After the game against UCLA we'll have a better picture but even if SC struggles against UCLA if UT doesn't look that great in the big 12 championship I would give the edge to SC.

[IC2000]

It's like comparing Tim Redding to Roy Oswalt. Both have talent and ability but while one is a Cy Young candidate, the other well - isn't.

Both have strong arms, but Reggie is far more inaccurate and throws the ball as hard as he can on every snap.

Both are athletic, but Vince is a gamebreaker running the ball while Reggie shies away from hits and that makes him an ineffective runner against good defenses.

And I won't even go into Vince's value as a team leader, and the confidence he gives the Longhorns - while Reggie does neither.

Horrible comparison because redding is awful- more like Ben Sheets and Roy Oswalt.

Arms- Reggie has a better arm and accuracy, no doubt.

Running- Vince has this by a slim margin

Leadership- Vince has this as well by a huge margin

I agree with this poster on most of his points accept for the accuracy thing. Reggie was a failure because of the people around him and the coaching he never got, in the end he will be the better player. I am saying that both players are a product of the people around them. In football , you can only be as good as the people around you

[halfbreed]

Vince has had one good year, Reggie had one good year

So leading a team to an 11-1 record and winning the Rose Bowl does not qualify as a good year? Vince has lost 2 games as a starter. Reggie lost more games this year alone.

[IC2000]

So leading a team to an 11-1 record and winning the Rose Bowl does not qualify as a good year? Vince has lost 2 games as a starter. Reggie lost more games this year alone.

Hey ahole
i said they both have had a good year in their career

[IC2000]

Hey ahole
i said they both have had a good year in their career
the rose bowl year was a failure, the team they had was better last year than this year. Vince Young blew the game against OU, tried to blow the one against kansas, missouri, and am also.

[DaDakota]

the rose bowl year was a failure, the team they had was better last year than this year. .

This is just stupid.

Last year's team was nowhere near as good as this one...the defense is better this year, the offense has more weapons, hell, the receivers are finally experienced, where last year they were all a bunch of freshman.

Come on.....make a valid point, at least.

DD

[RIET]

the rose bowl year was a failure, the team they had was better last year than this year. Vince Young blew the game against OU, tried to blow the one against kansas, missouri, and am also.

Hate to tell you genius but that was a Sophmore QB leading us as a first year starter against a Michigan team that was better than any A&M beat- in the BCS Rose Bowl- Not the Cotton Bowl, not the Poulan Weedeater Bowl, against a better team than Baylor - Reggie McNeal's signature games as an aggie.

And if you imagine how good Vince will be next year as compared to how Reggie was this year, the difference will be immeasurable.

[IC2000]

Hate to tell you genius but that was a Sophmore QB leading us as a first year starter against a Michigan team that was better than any A&M beat in the Rose Bowl- Not the Cotton Bowl, not the Poulan Weedeater Bowl, against a better team than Baylor - Reggie McNeal's signature games as an aggie.

And if you imagine how good Vince will be next year as compared to how Reggie was this year, the difference will be immeasurable.

Granted the aggies lost, Tennessee was better than michigan last year. So Reggie lost the baylor game? So a team that lost cedric benson and derrick johnson is better this year?

[RIET]

Granted the aggies lost, Tennessee was better than michigan last year. So Reggie lost the baylor game? So a team that lost cedric benson and derrick johnson is better this year?

Tennessee stomped A&M. A&M managed how many yards of offense and scored how many points? So your comeback is - we lost to a better team than you beat.

If Texas was so good last year and Michigan was so mediocre, how did Michigan rack up so many yards on our "great team".

If Cedric Benson was the key to that team, why wasn't he leading us to the winning victory against a not-so-good Michigan team.

And if the team last year was better than this year, why are we undefeated this year, beating an Ohio State team on the road and absolutely destroying every Big 12 team by a much wider margin than last year?

[halfbreed]

Hey ahole
i said they both have had a good year in their career

No need for name calling. What I'm saying is that you said they've both had A good year (meaning 1). What I'm saying is that Vince had MORE THAN 1 good year.

[Cohen]

IC2000,

You should chill. Folks that call everyone 'idiots' and 'aholes' don't last long around here.

[Raven Lunatic]

Finally somoene other than me that knows what they are talking about, the only thing we disagree on is that he is not as good as vince young.

Dude, I love how you are so derisive to those that disagree with you when you have no empirical, concrete evidence to support your claims. Your biggest point is that, were McNeal to switch teams with Young, McNeal would have had better results. But this is a fantasy scenario. You can't state with any real total confidence that this would be true, because that scenario hasn't happened. Texas fans are giving you stats to demonstrate VY's marked superiority as a QB, player and winner, but you dismiss all that because he has better teammates. Fine, you can assume that based on your own observations, but don't act as if anyone that doesn't agree with it is blindly ignoring an obvious fact, because it is all speculation on your part.

Not even bigtexx has chimed in on this argument because even he thinks, despite his obvious bone to pick with UT, that Vince Young is far superior to McNeal as a college football player.

[KingCheetah]

McNeal is not even the best QB on the Aggies and was benched for the biggest game of the year.

Next.

[Stevierebel]

McNeal is not even the best QB on the Aggies and was benched for the biggest game of the year.

Next.

He wasn't benched for the game... He was still dealing with a high ankle sprain. The same thing Adrian Peterson was dealing with the first half of the season...

[Rocket River]

I think this proves that R. Mcneal is the one who is overrated. The Ags made a game of it with a freshman qb.


That didn't take long

Rocket River

[Bassfly]

IC2000 youre delusional.


What's up with Aggies that continually whine/bitch/complain/moan about VY, yet all VY does is just win football games.

[rocketfan83]

I'm not a Vince Young guy either. I don't think he will amount to much in the pros.

But with that being said he is a great college player and is far better than Reggie McNeal and its not even close. Vince has a realistic shot at the heisman and aTm played its best game of the season yesterday with Reggie on the bench. I doubt you will find another person that will agree with you.

[rocketfan83]

Imagine VY or Reggie in Leach's system... :eek:

Man I'm still upset about Robert Johnson. Johnson was the top rated JUCO QB came to Tech to play QB. He's a freak, hes a WR now he could never grasp the playbook from what I've heard. He's a heck of a WR probaly going to be a 1st or 2nd rounder a year from now.

Granted hes not in the same company as those two guys but it would have been fun to watch.

[IC2000]

Dude, I love how you are so derisive to those that disagree with you when you have no empirical, concrete evidence to support your claims. Your biggest point is that, were McNeal to switch teams with Young, McNeal would have had better results. But this is a fantasy scenario. You can't state with any real total confidence that this would be true, because that scenario hasn't happened. Texas fans are giving you stats to demonstrate VY's marked superiority as a QB, player and winner, but you dismiss all that because he has better teammates. Fine, you can assume that based on your own observations, but don't act as if anyone that doesn't agree with it is blindly ignoring an obvious fact, because it is all speculation on your part.

Not even bigtexx has chimed in on this argument because even he thinks, despite his obvious bone to pick with UT, that Vince Young is far superior to McNeal as a college football player.

I agree, the only problem i have is that vince young gets so much credit and that people say i am crazy to think mcneal is anywhere as good as him. Regardless i think young is overrated. You are free to disagree

[bigtexxx]

Not even bigtexx has chimed in on this argument because even he thinks, despite his obvious bone to pick with UT, that Vince Young is far superior to McNeal as a college football player.

LOL. Yes Vince is better than Reggie. That is obvious.

Neither can hold a candle to Matt Leinart, though.

[DaDakota]

LOL. Yes Vince is better than Reggie. That is obvious.

Neither can hold a candle to Matt Leinart, though.

I would take either of them for David Carr in an instant.

DD

[IC2000]

I would take either of them for David Carr in an instant.

DD

I agree on that, even vince is a better passer than carr and could prob go thru progressions better

[vj23k]

David Carr - hate is uncalled for. Joe Montana couldn't do much either with that line.

Carr as a prospect is just as good as Leinart/Young. He needs help.

[reggietodd]

Not sure if this is true, but I read on an aggie message board (yes I was very bored, lol) that Reggie's ankle was fine and he chose not to play in the TU game to not risk any injuries for the upcoming NFL combine.

Supposedly this fired up the team and they rallied around that new fish QB.

[reggietodd]

David Carr - hate is uncalled for. Joe Montana couldn't do much either with that line.

Carr as a prospect is just as good as Leinart/Young. He needs help.

I don't want to get into it, because its a broken record, but Montona wouldn't underthrow the ball when he did get time on a simple out route and Montana wouldn't get his passes batted down at the line because he didn't throw the ball in a weird side-arm motion.

[The Cat]

I don't want to get into it, because its a broken record, but Montona wouldn't underthrow the ball when he did get time on a simple out route and Montana wouldn't get his passes batted down at the line because he didn't throw the ball in a weird side-arm motion.

He might if his footwork and timing were thrown off by the expectation of an incoming rush. It's not as simple as pointing to when Carr does and doesn't have time... the problems caused by the OL extend deeper than that. Let's give Carr a season where he isn't scared to death (and rightfully so) of being crushed each time he drops back and see if some of these things don't improve.

But yes, it is a broken record, so we can save a little bit of this for the Carr thread of the week after tomorrow's game... I'm sure Luckyazn will come through for us. :)

[Rocket River]

:rolleyes:

Not sure if this is true, but I read on an aggie message board (yes I was very bored, lol) that Reggie's ankle was fine and he chose not to play in the TU game to not risk any injuries for the upcoming NFL combine.

Supposedly this fired up the team and they rallied around that new fish QB.


interesting at best
Why would Reggie do that. . . i don't recall any expectation that he would
be drafted in the 1st or even 2nd round

Rocket River

[KingCheetah]

Why would Reggie do that. . . i don't recall any expectation that he would
be drafted in the 1st or even 2nd round

Rocket River

I watched the game with a mixed crowd (Aggie/ Horns) that included several die hard Aggie fans ~ they felt he could have played and was benched.

[Rocket River]

I watched the game with a mixed crowd (Aggie/ Horns) that included several die hard Aggie fans ~ they felt he could have played and was benched.


as a die-hard Aggie
I do not think so :D

Rocket River

[IC2000]

as a die-hard Aggie
I do not think so :D

Rocket River

i am a die hard aggie , he was hurt. I saw him on crutches all week.

[Major]

i am a die hard aggie , he was hurt. I saw him on crutches all week.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA112205.5D.uttamu.notebook.81f4d89.html


Texas A&M senior quarterback Reggie McNeal hurt his left ankle Nov.12 in a 36-30 loss at Oklahoma, but he appeared to walk without a limp Monday.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2233568


Not long after setting the record, McNeal sprained his left ankle after a hit by Oklahoma's Calvin Thibodeaux. Trainers helped McNeal to the sideline and he rode to the locker room on a motorized cart, but on Monday he wasn't limping.


Crutches? :confused:

[pgabriel]

this thread has gotten ridiculous from both sides. Reggie was considered a better pro prospect up until this season. this whole notion that he didn't have a good career at A&M is revisionist history. vince's passing game wasn't much with the weapons he had last season. Reggie's wasn't much this season for the same reason.


look at how much better brady quinn looks with good offensive coaching and good receivers. He looks almost as good as a pro prospect as Lienart. the only qb who could get it done almost by himself of the group is vince. none of the others match up to him in that area.

[bigtexxx]

the only qb who could get it done almost by himself of the group is vince. none of the others match up to him in that area.

What is this stat and how do you measure it?

Leinart is the best QB in the country. Vince hasn't won 2 MNCs or a even a Heisman. Leinart has.

[pgabriel]

let's just keep things in perspective here. McGee had a good game, but his passing stats, 9/23 0 tds 1 int, 83 yds. so I wouldn't start to say he was A&M's best qb just yet.

[KingCheetah]

i am a die hard aggie , he was hurt. I saw him on crutches all week.

Where did you see him on crutches all week?

[pgabriel]

What is this stat and how do you measure it?

Leinart is the best QB in the country. Vince hasn't won 2 MNCs or a even a Heisman. Leinart has.


So leinart hasn't had any offensive talent around him? lienart being the best qb in the country is debatable. but even if he is, if I had to build a team around one player, it would be vince, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that opinion.

[dylan]

So leinart hasn't had any offensive talent around him? lienart being the best qb in the country is debatable. but even if he is, if I had to build a team around one player, it would be vince, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that opinion.

Do you mean college, NFL, or both?

[halfbreed]

Vince hasn't won 2 MNCs.

Neither has Leinart. I seem to recall LSU winning the BCS championship game 2 years ago. So if anything, it'd be 1.5 MNCs.

[DaDakota]

Neither has Leinart. I seem to recall LSU winning the BCS championship game 2 years ago. So if anything, it'd be 1.5 MNCs.

Wasn't Carson Palmer the QB of one of them? Or was that before the 2 NC?

DD

[IC2000]

Wasn't Carson Palmer the QB of one of them? Or was that before the 2 NC?

DD

Tell me we arent going to compare leinart and vince young? That is just ridiculous.

[bigtexxx]

Tell me we arent going to compare leinart and vince young? That is just ridiculous.

Not in the minds of the Longhorn fans.

[RIET]

Tell me we arent going to compare leinart and vince young? That is just ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous?
Do you even watch college football?

Vince Young is just as good, if not a better college football QB.

Charlie Ward was an amazing player and was more valuable than any traditional drop back passer. Tee Martin's multi-dimensional attack helped Tennessee win a national championship - something Peyton Manning did not even come close to accomplishing. Eric Crouch was invaulable to the Husker teams.

A college QB who can run and scramble is worth his weight in gold and is oftentimes the much better and more complete college football player.

[NIKEstrad]

Not in the minds of the Longhorn fans.

If I were voting on the Heisman ballot, it'd be:

1. Reggie Bush
2. Vince Young
3. Matt Leinart

In fact, http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/index

Not a single ESPN writer with a ballot is currently planning on voting Leinart over Young.

Why is it ridiculous exactly to compare the two?

[bigtexxx]

If I were voting on the Heisman ballot, it'd be:

1. Reggie Bush
2. Vince Young
3. Matt Leinart

In fact, http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/index

Not a single ESPN writer with a ballot is currently planning on voting Leinart over Young.

Why is it ridiculous exactly to compare the two?

LOL...Leinart has two MNCs and has already won a Heisman....

nuff said

[IC2000]

If I were voting on the Heisman ballot, it'd be:

1. Reggie Bush
2. Vince Young
3. Matt Leinart

In fact, http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/index

Not a single ESPN writer with a ballot is currently planning on voting Leinart over Young.

Why is it ridiculous exactly to compare the two?

Two national titles and a heisman- leinart

Vince young- he beat ou once and destroyed baylor

[RIET]

LOL...Leinart has two MNCs and has already won a Heisman....

nuff said

Leinart is playing with the #1 Heisman candidate - who is also not the everydown RB. He won those national championships with multiple high first round skill position players.

Vince Young's cast is not even close.

[RIET]

Two national titles and a heisman- leinart

Vince young- he beat ou once and destroyed baylor

If Vince Young had Jarrett, Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, and Lendale White - Texas would've been national champions. Those players are unstoppable.

USC's offensive skill players are sick.

Leinart also benefitted tremendously from Norm Chow's tutliage. Young had Greg Davis.

[IC2000]

Leinart is playing with the #1 Heisman candidate - who is also not the everydown RB. He won those national championships with multiple high first round skill position players.

Vince Young's cast is not even close.

Blah Blah Blah, Vince young will be washing cars, catching footballs from Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn,or blocking for reggie bush in a couple years.

[IC2000]

If Vince Young had Jarrett, Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, and Lendale White - Texas would've been national champions. Those players are unstoppable.

USC's offensive skill players are sick.

Leinart also benefitted tremendously from Norm Chow's tutliage. Young had Greg Davis.

You mean Roy williams (top ten pick), cedric benson (top ten pick) ? Did somebody say tommie frazier?

[RIET]

You mean Roy williams (top ten pick), cedric benson (top ten pick) ? Did somebody say tommie frazier?

Roy Williams? And how many games did Vince Young play with Roy Williams.

Cedric Benson was a productive player but not a gamebreaker.

You obviously do not understand anything about college football. Just repeat everything bigtexx says because you have no original ideas of your own.

[IC2000]

Roy Williams? And how many games did Vince Young play with Roy Williams.

Cedric Benson was a productive player but not a gamebreaker.

You obviously do not understand anything about college football. Just repeat everything bigtexx says because you have no original ideas of your own.

who is bigtexx? Cedric Benson was "productive" (haha). The 5th overall pick was productive. BJ johnson was "productive". Vince Young Could not even throw to Roy Williams, thats why he had to battle with Chance Mock (yea that chance mock). Leinart wipes his ass with Vince Young as a Quarterback. Vince Young will be a hell of a Receiver/Blocker.

[NIKEstrad]

Vince young- he beat ou once and destroyed baylor

Damn, last time I saw VY on campus he was wearing a Rose Bowl ring. Do you know where I can get one like that?

[RIET]

who is bigtexx? Cedric Benson was "productive" (haha). The 5th overall pick was productive. BJ johnson was "productive". Vince Young Could not even throw to Roy Williams, thats why he had to battle with Chance Mock (yea that chance mock). Leinart wipes his ass with Vince Young as a Quarterback. Vince Young will be a hell of a Receiver/Blocker.

Vince Young was a freshman when he competed with Chance Mock. A freshman.

If Cedric Benson was so great, why wasn't he the one leading the team against Michigan in last year's Rose Bowl? Cedric Benson played a secondary role to a sophmore QB.

[IC2000]

Damn, last time I saw VY on campus he was wearing a Rose Bowl ring. Do you know where I can get one like that?

First of all who is VY? The following players have one: Paul Thompson, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Mike Williams, Eric Norgdrem, Shaun Cody, Lendale White, Pete Carroll, Kejuan Jones, Dusty Mangum (i think he sold it). Vicne will trade it to you for a heisman trophy, signed photo of matt leinart, one of leinarts national titles, or Reggie Bush's pants (must be game used)?

[IC2000]

Vince Young was a freshman when he competed with Chance Mock. A freshman.

If Cedric Benson was so great, why wasn't he the one leading the team against Michigan in last year's Rose Bowl? Cedric Benson played a secondary role to a sophmore QB.

REDSHIRT FRESHMAN AND REDSHIRT SOPHMORE. So he did not need benson? Good thing mack brown cried his way into getting into the game. Hey maybe they will take mack browns and Vince Youngs idea of two heismans and he will get one.

[RIET]

First of all who is VY? The following players have one: Paul Thompson, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Mike Williams, Eric Norgdrem, Shaun Cody, Lendale White, Pete Carroll, Kejuan Jones, Dusty Mangum (i think he sold it). Vicne will trade it to you for a heisman trophy, signed photo of matt leinart, one of leinarts national titles, or Reggie Bush's pants (must be game used)?

You must have to spend 24 hours on this board to defend your ridiculous positions. This must be like a job for you now.

[Major]

Two national titles and a heisman- leinart

Vince young- he beat ou once and destroyed baylor

I see how it works. When comparing McNeal and Young, you only look at "what would have been" - the facts of their accomplishments are irrelevant. In a Young-Leinart comparision though, only on-the-field results matter.

You've mastered the art of aggie-arguing quite well! :)

[Bassfly]

IC2000 youre delusional.


What's up with Aggies that continually whine/bitch/complain/moan about VY, yet all VY does is just win football games.

Just wanted to quote this again for emphasis.



As for the Leinhart-VY debate. I goto UT, but Leinhart is a champion, VY isn't. That's where the arguement ends.

[IC2000]

I see how it works. When comparing McNeal and Young, you only look at "what would have been" - the facts of their accomplishments are irrelevant. In a Young-Leinart comparision though, only on-the-field results matter.

You've mastered the art of aggie-arguing quite well! :)

This is different , you can compare usc and ut's talent

[nycrocket]

You must have to spend 24 hours on this board to defend your ridiculous positions. This must be like a job for you now.

Dude obviously must have inhaled too much bonfire smoke.

[Major]

This is different , you can compare usc and ut's talent

In the last 2 years, USC has won exactly one more game than UT. Last year, USC was #1, UT was #4. This year #1 and #2. The two QB's are top-3 heisman contenders.

Yet you argue there's a world of difference between the two QB's, and that somehow Reggie McNeal fits somewhere between the two.