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JamesC
11-18-2005, 10:57 AM
Rookie a Chief concern
Texas product poised to make Texans wonder if they passed over the better Johnson
By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle




Kansas City rookie outside linebacker Derrick Johnson is going to be so pumped up Sunday night at Reliant Stadium that the roof may need to be closed to keep him from floating away.

Johnson, who grew up in Waco and starred at the University of Texas, wanted to play for the Texans. He thought there was a good chance they would select him.

"Yeah, I did (because) they had the 13th pick and knowing they were going to pick up a defensive player and I would most likely go in that 10-to-15 range, the Texans were in the hunt," Johnson said. "I don't hold any grudges against the teams that passed me up."

Before the draft, Johnson moved to Houston, where his father and many members of his extended family reside. His agents, Vann McElroy and Jeff Nalley of Select Sports Group, are based in Houston. To prepare for the draft, Johnson worked out at Danny Arnold's complex in Stafford.

"It would have worked out either way, but I'm happy where I am," said Johnson, who turns 23 on Tuesday.

Johnson had an incredible workout for NFL scouts. At 6-3, 242, he ran the 40 in the 4.4s and excelled at the agility drills.

"We liked him because he's a rare athlete for a guy his size," Texans coach Dom Capers said. "He's big and athletic, and he can run. But we had an opportunity to trade down and get an extra third-round pick."


Trading down
Rather than draft Johnson with the 13th pick, general manager Charley Casserly traded it to New Orleans for the 16th selection and a 2006 third-round choice.

The Chiefs selected Johnson with the 15th pick. The Texans took defensive end Travis Johnson one spot later.

"They picked who they wanted to pick, and the Chiefs picked who they wanted to pick," the linebacker said. "Hopefully, things will turn out well for their first-rounder, things will turn out pretty well for me and I can go down there and show them what they're missing."

Johnson should send the 1-8 Texans a thank-you card for not drafting him. The Chiefs are 5-4 and trying to earn a playoff spot.

Would the Texans' record be better if Johnson played linebacker for them? In a 3-4, the linebackers have to stop the run for the scheme to be effective. The Texans have allowed six 100-yard rushers.

"He's an outstanding player, a player who'll be a perennial All-Pro outside linebacker," Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. "He's big, fast and instinctive. I think he's a candidate for defensive rookie of the year."

Johnson's performance in the NFL doesn't surprise Longhorns coach Mack Brown.

"He made spectacular plays," Brown said. "What he would do is change games by the type of plays he made. He's got so many signature plays. He made 'wow' plays."

Johnson was wowing coaches and teammates since he first arrived in Austin.

"He's the athlete of all athletes," Longhorns defensive tackle Rod Wright said. "You can start him anywhere and he'll get the job done."

After the Chiefs drafted Johnson, there were comparisons to one of the greatest defensive players in franchise history — the late Derrick Thomas.


"He's a little different (because) he's more of a true linebacker than Derrick Thomas was," Vermeil said. "Derrick (Thomas) was a great pass rusher, maybe one of the finest to come up in the past 20 years or so. (Johnson) can rush the passer, but he's a linebacker."

In passing situations, Johnson often drops into coverage rather than rush the quarterback. He has one sack and eight quarterback pressures, and he's second on the team with 73 tackles.


'Positive pressure'

"I think of it as positive pressure to be compared to Derrick Thomas," Johnson said. "But that's not something I'm thinking about on Sundays. I'm just taking it in stride knowing that I've got a lot of people supporting me."

Before the draft, Johnson had a lot of critics as well as supporters. Some said he wasn't physical enough, that he wouldn't take on blockers and that he was more of a finesse player.

"Yeah, I heard that negative talk," he said. "My coaches (at Texas) told (the scouts) that I made plays without really having to take on blocks. The Chiefs have plenty of film of me taking on blocks.

"I'm very coachable. I can take on blocks any time. That's not a problem. But sometimes in college I'd use my speed and athleticism to make the play instead of running through somebody."

When the Texans have the ball, Johnson might be taking on blocks and terrorizing quarterback David Carr and the running backs.

When the Chiefs have the ball, the Texans might wish they had him to help prevent Larry Johnson from becoming the seventh back to roll up 100 yards against them.
link (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3469545)



Personally I hope DJ has a hell of a game against the Texans. I pissed when they let Sharper and Foreman go, then passed on him. That's when it all started to go downhill in my opinion.

pgabriel
11-18-2005, 11:12 AM
He didn't fit the system.

gucci888
11-18-2005, 11:32 AM
^ What? Why do you say that? DJ is a defensive beast, I've watched him for 4 years at UT and he can literally play almost any position on defense. He's fundamentally all there and as the article said, he ran a 4.4 40 as a LB. I was really disappointed when we passed on him. He could have anchored our D for years to come.

Our linebacking core is pretty bad, especially when you consider the lack of a true pass rusher we have.

Svpernaut
11-18-2005, 11:35 AM
He didn't fit the system.

What system? The system that is going to be completely overhauled at the end of this season? I was pissed when they passed up DJ, and am still pissed. Luckily it was probably the move that cemented the coaching staff's and GM's demise, so I can't be too mad about it.

pgabriel
11-18-2005, 11:43 AM
sarcasm. should have added a :rolleyes:

gunn
11-18-2005, 11:45 AM
He didn't fit the system.

In the meantime our first round pick gets spot duty.

Excellent move by the Texans. Drafting based on need versus adding playmakers. Sounds like what's being discussed in other threads.

gucci888
11-18-2005, 11:48 AM
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gucci888
11-18-2005, 11:54 AM
In the meantime our first round pick gets spot duty.

Excellent move by the Texans. Drafting based on need versus adding playmakers. Sounds like what's being discussed in other threads.

"We liked him because he's a rare athlete for a guy his size," Texans coach Dom Capers said. "He's big and athletic, and he can run. But we had an opportunity to trade down and get an extra third-round pick."

You're right, Capers should go with the rare athlete for a guy his size. Players like DJ and D. Ferguson (I'm sure that's who you're talking about) don't come around very often, if they fit the hole, we should get them.

But let's not try to derail the thread. :)

gunn
11-18-2005, 11:57 AM
But let's not try to derail the thread. :)

You're asking to derail this thread.

ima_drummer2k
11-18-2005, 12:17 PM
What are you guys complaining about? We didn't need a linebacker, we have Babin...

I hate all that "well he's not a 3-4 linebacker" nonsense. Great players can play in any system. It will be pretty ironic if (when) Capers is axed this offseason and he takes the 3-4 with him. It will be like when the Oilers scrapped the run-n-shoot and had no tight ends on the roster.

This team/organization is a mess.

u851662
11-18-2005, 12:36 PM
What are you guys complaining about? We didn't need a linebacker, we have Babin...

I hate all that "well he's not a 3-4 linebacker" nonsense. Great players can play in any system. It will be pretty ironic if (when) Capers is axed this offseason and he takes the 3-4 with him. It will be like when the Oilers scrapped the run-n-shoot and had no tight ends on the roster.

This team/organization is a mess.

I agree, playmakers are playmakers. No and's, if's or but's about it.... We should have drafted him...

gucci888
11-18-2005, 12:39 PM
You're asking to derail this thread.

:confused:

nWo34Life
11-18-2005, 12:52 PM
Damn I hate Capers and Casserly. Why do we always end up w/ the crap picks? This team just f'n pisses me off... :mad:

Summer Song Giver
11-18-2005, 01:10 PM
I'm not pissed we didn't draft DJ

/adds another needle to the Casserly voodoo doll

NJRocket
11-18-2005, 01:17 PM
A Chief concern? I think their Chief concern is that they are 1-9 or whatever. If they had this guy, they would still be 1-9 and looking for answers.

MadMax
11-18-2005, 01:21 PM
He didn't fit the system.

i knew you were being sarcastic the first time i read it. i share your feelings on that...drives me crazy that we're sooooo married to this system that we can't seem to find anyone to fit in to. meanwhile, we let talent pass right on by...because the system is more important. that baffles me.

Ric
11-18-2005, 01:27 PM
i knew you were being sarcastic the first time i read it. i share your feelings on that...drives me crazy that we're sooooo married to this system that we can't seem to find anyone to fit in to. meanwhile, we let talent pass right on by...because the system is more important. that baffles me.
what it tells me is that our coaches suck.

in 2002, while sold on carr, i was extremely intrigued by peppers. he just looked like a beast in college. but he didn't really ever seem to register here, and, supposedly, it was because capers didn't feel he fit his system. but if you have guys as naturally gifted as peppers, freeney, johnson... why can't they be molded? by saying they don't fit your system, aren't you in essence saying, "we lack the capacity to make them fit our system. ergo, we're not very good coaches beyond the limiting capacity of our little system. (which, FYI, is an across the board failure.)"

now, obviously, if the idea is to turn pass rushers into nose tackles, peppers, et al, aren't right for the system. but if you're looking for guys to get after the QB... (sigh) it's just mind boggling how massively this regime has botched things.

MadMax
11-18-2005, 01:31 PM
ric --

i heard casserly on sportsradio this morning say that you couldn't draft Freeney to play the 3-4. it sounded TO ME like he was saying it to prove a point...like, "see how my hands are tied here, guys??" that kind of thing. but it frustrates me to see them sooooo devoted to the 3-4.

Master Baiter
11-18-2005, 01:37 PM
You obtain talent and build a system around it. Not the other way around.

Ric
11-18-2005, 01:41 PM
i heard casserly on sportsradio this morning say that you couldn't draft Freeney to play the 3-4. it sounded TO ME like he was saying it to prove a point...like, "see how my hands are tied here, guys??" that kind of thing. but it frustrates me to see them sooooo devoted to the 3-4.
casserly's unquestionably in full-blown spin mode and, likely, will win out this offseason. i think he'll stay and use this kind of circular logic with mcnair - hey, i REALLY wanted freeney, but capers said he wouldn't fit the system... also, iirc, freeney came out in '02. the proper answer, if you're casserly, should be: we determined carr was the best player and feel we made the right choice. but since he can't even make that determination, nor does he want to concede that he may have, in fact, made the wrong choice, he deflects blame off himself. he's a snake oil salesman.

on a tangent, i'm at a loss how they could determine babin was a fit and freeney wasn't. isn't the idea to take a smaller DE in college with speed and convert them?

(bigger sigh.....)

Ric
11-18-2005, 01:42 PM
You obtain talent and build a system around it. Not the other way around.
well put; exactly what i tried to say but lacked your clarity. good coaches can find a place for guys like julius peppers and derrick johnson. period. do you think bellicheck would ever say, "nah; doesn't fit our system."?

MadMax
11-18-2005, 01:54 PM
on a tangent, i'm at a loss how they could determine babin was a fit and freeney wasn't. isn't the idea to take a smaller DE in college with speed and convert them?


never understood that, either.

rezdawg
11-18-2005, 03:48 PM
I never would have thought the Texans would have become such a mess. That team is in shambles.

On a side note, when Bud Adams dies, can we change our team name to the Oilers? I think we will start kicking ass when we go back to those old unis. Those rocked the hizouse.

"We're the Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers #1, we've got the offense, we've got the defense, we give the other team no hope, cuz we're the Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers..."

Hakeem06
11-18-2005, 09:31 PM
gabriel, i picked up on the sarcasm...don't worry about it.


and by the way the texans aren't going to be the only team to pay for passing on DJ, he easily could have been taken top 10. there are about 9 teams that will regret not gettting this guy. i saw him play 4 years at texas (dad has season tickets) and he is one of the most special players i've ever seen, on either side of the ball. an absolute monster.

Creepy Crawl
11-18-2005, 11:36 PM
I had a feeling that DJ would mature into a top notch stud at his position once he made it to the NFL . The Texans not drafting him last year had to be one of the most dissapointing draft days of my life . When he was there for the taking I was so pumped up . I couldnt believe he had fallen down that far and he was there for us to draft ...... and then we didnt do it . Talk about an up then way down feeling . But hey we got Babin what are we worried about ? :rolleyes: :mad:

JamesC
11-19-2005, 12:17 AM
To me passing on Derrick Johnson is right up there with the Rashard Lweis fiasco.

Stack24
11-19-2005, 01:07 AM
To me passing on Derrick Johnson is right up there with the Rashard Lweis fiasco.

Yup..just cause he doesn't fit the system now doesn't mean he would adapt and be a playmaker. How much longer are we going to have Capers....at lot less time then we would have had Johnston and moved him wherever we needed him to play.

On the Rashard thing...it's all cause and effect...we might not have the team we have now if he was drafted etc etc.....but DJ should have been drafted.

JamesC
11-19-2005, 02:00 PM
On the Rashard thing...it's all cause and effect...we might not have the team we have now if he was drafted etc etc.....but DJ should have been drafted.


I realize that too. But at the time it wouldn't have hurt to draft him.

MadMax
11-20-2005, 04:33 AM
To me passing on Derrick Johnson is right up there with the Rashard Lweis fiasco.

key difference: johnson was taken in the first round. he was taken seriously by OTHER teams participating in the same draft. rashard lewis, on the other hand, was not.