View Full Version : Inside Turmoil Boiling Over? Walker attcks Carr!!!
Gummi Clutch
11-07-2005, 01:06 PM
Sorry if posted.
Just on the 610am sports ticker:
Walker and Carr has to be "seperated from each other" in the tunnel on the way to the locker room after the game.
Austin70
11-07-2005, 01:12 PM
Walker just got mad because all of these other defensive linemen sacked him, he just wanted to see what it felt like.
A-Train
11-07-2005, 01:17 PM
Eh, big whoop. Teammates get into fights all the time.
...and how do we know it wasn't Carr that attacked Walker? That entire defense deserves to get its ass kicked after that fourth quarter yesterday...
emjohn
11-07-2005, 01:22 PM
My guess, w/nothing to substantiate it:
Carr's falling into a habit of blaming everyone but himself. As in "We would have won today if it wasn't for Corey dropping that pass" or ""We would have won today if it wasn't for the losing protection I get" or "We would have won today if it wasn't for that stupid penalty by the defense"
Sooner or later, someone is going to get sick of comments like that. And seeing how Carr had a pretty good game yesterday, I doubt Walker was blaming David for the loss. More likely, he stood up for Bradford or any other scapegoats.
Evan
pgabriel
11-07-2005, 01:36 PM
On Rich and Matt's post game show they wondering if Walker was yelling at Bradford or Carr on the sideline. Walker needs to stay healthy before getting on anyone.
Uprising
11-07-2005, 01:36 PM
eh, nothing to it. Walker had a fire lite under his ass all day. I've never seen him so animated.
bwarren
11-07-2005, 01:37 PM
On 610 this morning, John Granato was saying that the fight started when David Carr and Joe Pendry were going back and forth arguing about something (but not yet yelling at one another), when Walker jumped in and told Carr that he needed to take the coaching Pendry was trying to give him.
I didn't catch any other details, but that seemed to tell me enough of the substance of the dispute.
Groogrux
11-07-2005, 01:37 PM
Did they actually say Walker attacked Carr?
emjohn,
I'm with you. I've noticed that too.
AggieRocket
11-07-2005, 02:13 PM
Is there a clip of this available anywhere?
PhiSlammaJamma
11-07-2005, 02:43 PM
walker attacks car is kinda funny headline all by itself.
Gummi Clutch
11-07-2005, 02:44 PM
No they just said the two had to be "seperated".
I assume it was Walker that attacked Carr, beacuse Carr I dont see him getting in anyones face and not backing down.
Also, Ive heard firsthand that many on this team think David should be more of a "vocal" leader and not so "Opie Cunningham" in personality.
dskillz
11-07-2005, 03:10 PM
What I heard was that Pendry was telling Carr that he should have hit Johson for the first down instead of going for the home run with stonehands Bradford. Carr was saying that was BS as Bradford should have just caught the ball. Walker got tired of this ran up and told Carr to STFU and listen to the coach, calling him a spoiled brat. It got heated, they had to be seperated, but it was nothing that hasn't happened in NFL sidelines forever. No big deal, but good to see some one actually cares they are the laughing stock of the league.
Summer Song Giver
11-07-2005, 03:12 PM
Racism
j/k
leehoang
11-07-2005, 03:34 PM
I'd be mad at Carr too, for sucking and being a #1 pick bust.
I can see all the Carr lovers replying back to this now...
He's a bust, it's a fact.
Rule0001
11-07-2005, 03:35 PM
man eats shark.
I can see all the Carr lovers replying back to this now...
So you admit to stirring the pot on purpose? He's a bust: it's your opinion. :p
HillBoy
11-07-2005, 03:37 PM
What I heard was that Pendry was telling Carr that he should have hit Johson for the first down instead of going for the home run with stonehands Bradford. Carr was saying that was BS as Bradford should have just caught the ball. Walker got tired of this ran up and told Carr to STFU and listen to the coach, calling him a spoiled brat. It got heated, they had to be seperated, but it was nothing that hasn't happened in NFL sidelines forever. No big deal, but good to see some one actually cares they are the laughing stock of the league.
If this is true then Carr was right - he put the ball right there in Bradford's hands and Bradford, true to form, dropped it. Carr put the ball exactly where he had to put in order to get it past the DB and it is not asking too much for your receivers to make that catch. That would have been a big play, something that has been sadly missing with this team and it would have set them up at 1st and goal. Besides if Walker wants to be mad at someone, he should take a look behind him at the sorry play of the linebackers. Those guys are constantly being caught out of position or simply being steamrollered by the opposing team. They were MIA on that 7 yard TD run up the middle by Leftwich that won the game for Jacksonville.
The reality is that nobody, offense or defense, has any right to point fingers at the other side - they both suck this year.
pgabriel
11-07-2005, 03:43 PM
If this is true then Carr was right - he put the ball right there in Bradford's hands and Bradford, true to form, dropped it. Carr put the ball exactly where he had to put in order to get it past the DB and it is not asking too much for your receivers to make that catch.
I don't condone Gary Walker for jumping in, but Walker is right, no one on that team should be arguing with coaching. I find it funny that if that was the case, wasn't the reason they got rid of Palmer because he was too soft on the players. Wasn't Carr supposed to be welcoming the change to a tougher more critical coach.
The reality is that nobody, offense or defense, has any right to point fingers at the other side - they both suck this year.
And another reality, IMO, is that if so many players are missing assignments, out of position, and not understanding plays, and if guys are starting to rip each other not just in the clubhouse but in the public eye, the coaching SUCKS. Guys don't have their heads in the game, guys are blaming and flaming on one another; it smacks of poor or absent leadership. Well, either sorry coaching or the team is full of sub-80 IQ buffoons, and I don't anticipate the latter.
no one on that team should be arguing with coaching.
I agree with this. But a coach that will put up with it has a problem, too.
HayesStreet
11-07-2005, 03:55 PM
I'm sure that Carr is getting sick of all this losing being put on his shoulders. The fact is that there isn't a successful quarterback out there that gets consistently sacked six or seven times a game. Many good quarterbacks have seen their careers go down the tubes from those kinds of consistent hits.
ima_drummer2k
11-07-2005, 03:58 PM
He's a bust, it's a fact.
Now there's a fresh well informed take...
I saw the video and I didn't think it was a big deal. Frankly, I was happy to see some emotion from this team for a change.
Gummi Clutch
11-07-2005, 04:15 PM
The report was about what happened IN THE TUNNEL, NOT ON THE SIDELINE.
I doubt you saw the video.
And if anyone is a bust IMO, its that O-Line.
Is Carr a HOF? Doubtful, but that O-Line is horrendous and has basically ruined Carr.
Tonaaayyyy
11-07-2005, 04:15 PM
http://www.rrlicensing.com/store/catalog/images/walker%20tr.jpg
Go get em' Walker!
codell
11-07-2005, 04:36 PM
Am I the only one wondering how "had to be separated" turned into "Walker attacks Carr!!"
kind of a misleading title
lol
The report was about what happened IN THE TUNNEL, NOT ON THE SIDELINE.
If that was addressed to me, I was referencing yelling involving Walker and Carr and others on the sideline at the end of the game (I actually got to watch a game--rare event). Couldn't tell who was being berated, but the point was the team is ripping into one another instead of taking responsibility. That smacks of poor leadership.
deepellumrocket
11-07-2005, 05:01 PM
What I heard was that Pendry was telling Carr that he should have hit Johson for the first down instead of going for the home run with stonehands Bradford. Carr was saying that was BS as Bradford should have just caught the ball.
The way I see it, the first down to Johnson would have just been four more opportunities for Carr to get sacked. Carr threw a perfect ball that would have gotten them 1st and goal inside the five. That ball has to be caught.
I don't condone Gary Walker for jumping in, but Walker is right, no one on that team should be arguing with coaching.
i COMPLETELY disagree. you have to trust your QB. this regime has NEVER trusted carr. if they have him on this tight a leash - sheesh! no wonder the team has regressed. he's your second best offensive player - put the game in his hands and let him use his natural talents to try and win! it's like telling AJ to run out of bounds rather than fighting for 10 extra yards because... i don't know... it might increase the likelihood of there being a penalty. unreal.
if i'm mcnair, and i heard and confirmed this version of the story, i'd leave pendry's ass in florida and then tell dom to kindly remove the shackles and let the guy i'm paying $60M do his job.
what a joke of a regime....
rrj_gamz
11-07-2005, 06:05 PM
Inner turmoil...Good to have some fire under there arse, but c'mon,this isn't going to change anything...It's just frustration...It's good to have the QB be aggressive as you have to take chances...Bradford just sucks...
Jared Novak
11-07-2005, 06:45 PM
If I was Carr and I threw a perfect pass to Bradford and he dropped it, I wouldn't be happy. I especially wouldn't be happy with the fact that my OC is going to tell me that I should've hit AJ instead when coming off the field. That was all Bradford, he should've caught the ball (swollen hand or not).
Walker needs to keep his unhealthy and overpaid @ss with the rest of the defense and ponder why they stopped playing with five minutes to go. I can understand a veteran like Walker stepping in and putting a young player like Carr in his place if he was disrespecting his coach (which Carr wasn't), but it had nothing to do with Walker and he has his own house to keep in order.
For the first time this season I saw some semblance of a team out there. With AJ stretching the field and the line holding up, the Texans looked like a completely different team. It sucks that they lost, but it was great to see some play execution taking place. I'm pretty fired up for next week's game.
With a couple of good draft picks (LT, TE, LB, SS and WR) the Texans could look like this every game.
mogrod
11-07-2005, 07:05 PM
I gues it's hard for me to make an opinion about it cause I would want to know HOW Pendry was telling Carr that he should have hit AJ. Even the greatest of QBs miss open recievers at times and Carr was going for the big play that everyone complains they don't enough of. He threw a perfect pass, even if it wasn't to the most open player.
If Pendry was down-talking him like he made a boneheaded mistake about it, I would have gotten pissed too if I were Carr. But, if Pendry was just pointing it out to him that AJ was open and Carr backlashed, then Walker had every right to jump in.
Walker needs to worry about his own side of the ball and trying to focus on stopping the other team when it matters. Hell, if it weren't for the tip of Buchannon's finger, they would of let the Browns beat them at the end.
This very well could be a sign that maybe the team is sick of Carr and his antics at times when borderline showing up his teammates. I wouldn't be surprised if some on the team feel like Carr had something to do with Palmer being canned. I think Carr is a good QB that could very well be one of the best in the league if he had the pieces around him. Give him a more stable O-line, a good recieving TE and a 2nd WR; and I think we would see a different QB. But, I wonder how the team really feels about his leadership. I think he could be a good leader but, if the team can't see him as that now, then they will never think that way.
It would be ashame to give up on such a good talent but, if the team doesn't fully respect him as THE QB and leader of the team, then it's time to go another direction. I'm pulling for the guy, but you can't have a whole team thinking the QB is a spoiled brat.
pgabriel
11-07-2005, 08:36 PM
i COMPLETELY disagree. you have to trust your QB. this regime has NEVER trusted carr. if they have him on this tight a leash - sheesh! no wonder the team has regressed. he's your second best offensive player - put the game in his hands and let him use his natural talents to try and win! it's like telling AJ to run out of bounds rather than fighting for 10 extra yards because... i don't know... it might increase the likelihood of there being a penalty. unreal.
if i'm mcnair, and i heard and confirmed this version of the story, i'd leave pendry's ass in florida and then tell dom to kindly remove the shackles and let the guy i'm paying $60M do his job.
what a joke of a regime....
Teams have game plans,they have schemes. I'm not ragging on Carr's ability, even the throw, but if the offensive coordinator feels Carr should have thrown that ball to Johnson, who by the way is their best player and was open, then I'm going to side with the coaching on this.
I understand where you are coming from, but Carr nor this team for that matter are not at a point in their development to be going for the gusto blowing off the scheme. Now I'm speculating, none of know what was supposed to happen, but this team has improved under Pendry offensively so I'm going to go with him. I'm sure Bradford caught his for not catching the ball.
reggietodd
11-07-2005, 09:45 PM
Either way you look at it, to me its clear that Carr is to blame. If you throw a perfect pass and your receiver drops it, you don't act like a baby and get all upset about it, if you do you are showing your receiver up. YOUR teammate.
If you get sacked and get up and shake your head or act like a baby about it (which he has done more than once) then you are showing up your offensive line. YOUR teammates.
Carr underthrows or overthrows his receivers way more than they drop the ball and you don't see them complaining about it and showing him up. Carr is a spoiled brat, underachieving QB with a horrible throwing motion, he stole money from the Texans and he and for some reason a lot of the fans in Houston like to point the blame on everyone else. He isn't a rookie anymore, he just doesn't have what it takes. I'm so glad that one of his teammates is finally standing up to him and calling him out.
Just watch the way Tom Brady handles himself and you'll see everything that David Carr isn't and will never be.
I supported going for it all.... had Carr overthrown Bradford by a mile, and then we saw that he passed up AJ who was wide open, then by all means Carr deserves every bit of the attack.
But, the ball HIT HIM IN THE HANDS in stride... and since we were down a full TD, that play would have put this team in a great position to tie the game. If Carr hits Johnson with the 12 yard gain, I don't know what's going to happen after that... we could simply go another 4 and out.... but I like our chances more from where Bradford SHOULD have made the catch, rather than the AJ 12 yard gain.
Frankly, it could have been Carr's best pass attempt in his career (in terms of accuracy and game-pressure situation).... and he's shown a pretty good touch on his deep pass the last two weeks (Mathis, now Bradford).
Jared Novak
11-07-2005, 10:39 PM
Either way you look at it, to me its clear that Carr is to blame. If you throw a perfect pass and your receiver drops it, you don't act like a baby and get all upset about it, if you do you are showing your receiver up. YOUR teammate.
If you get sacked and get up and shake your head or act like a baby about it (which he has done more than once) then you are showing up your offensive line. YOUR teammates.
Carr underthrows or overthrows his receivers way more than they drop the ball and you don't see them complaining about it and showing him up. Carr is a spoiled brat, underachieving QB with a horrible throwing motion, he stole money from the Texans and he and for some reason a lot of the fans in Houston like to point the blame on everyone else. He isn't a rookie anymore, he just doesn't have what it takes. I'm so glad that one of his teammates is finally standing up to him and calling him out.
Just watch the way Tom Brady handles himself and you'll see everything that David Carr isn't and will never be.
I will agree that Carr getting mad and throwing up his arms that Bradford dropped that ball is unprofessional. However, when you're losing all season long and you have a chance for a big play and its done in because your receiver dropped a ball that was in his hands, I say that frustration would cause almost anyone to lash out. It was wrong, but I can see why he would get mad.
As for shaking his head after getting sacked and "showing up" his O-Line, he was a good sport about it and didn't say anything publicly about it his first 2 1/2 seasons, he would get up and dust himself off. But after 160+ sacks in 3 1/2 seasons, the O-Line is lucky that Carr isn't going T.O. on them. Carr isn't without his faults, yes he holds the ball too long and yes he doesn't throw the ball away when he should, but give him some consistent protection from his O-Line and it would be a different story (look at yesterday's game).
Once the Texans start winning, that will cure all this bickering and finger-pointing.
jopatmc
11-07-2005, 11:31 PM
Teams have game plans,they have schemes. I'm not ragging on Carr's ability, even the throw, but if the offensive coordinator feels Carr should have thrown that ball to Johnson, who by the way is their best player and was open, then I'm going to side with the coaching on this.
I understand where you are coming from, but Carr nor this team for that matter are not at a point in their development to be going for the gusto blowing off the scheme. Now I'm speculating, none of know what was supposed to happen, but this team has improved under Pendry offensively so I'm going to go with him. I'm sure Bradford caught his for not catching the ball.
This team has one win this season. They make mistake after mistake. The play that makes the most sense is going for the gusto. What have they got to lose? Another 4 plays is just another 4 opportunities for a sack and fumble with this group. Carr and this group are at a point where a "scheme" is beyond them. They can't keep anybody off Carr's back. He's frustrated from three years of having turf ground into his eye teeth. Give the kid a break!
Bottom line: He put the ball on the money. And it fell out of Bradford's hands. Carr did everything he could possibly do. Bradford shouldn't even be playing. He has stunk it up ever since he's been here. One good play this week doesn't erase 3 years of stinkers.
Teams have gameplans, schemes, and plays. The downfield receiver is an option on that play. Our gameplans and schemes have gotten us exactly 1 win this year. Pendry ain't the savior. He's a replacement. Carr is one of a handful of decent players we have on this team.
As you can tell, I am sick of all the bologna said about Carr. The problem with this team is the OL totally sucks and the defense can't stop anybody. Carr can't play LT for himself. And he can't play nose tackle either. Gary Walker (bless his heart) needs to park his big ugly mug in the face of his defensive teammates and look himself in the mirror as well. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre would have exactly one win with this same bunch and the same schemes.
CARR AIN'T THE PROBLEM!!!!
Rocket River
11-07-2005, 11:47 PM
I am just happy that Carr is showing that he has a pair
I want him fiesty
and mad
and animated
Hell . . he keeps this up . . he may earn my respect
and that 8 mill bonus
Rocket River
Da Man
11-08-2005, 12:18 AM
Here are a couple of my thoughts about Carr.
As far as the media goes, Carr is really good about not placing blame on his O-Line. He should be allowed to slip a dig at his O-Line every couple of weeks. But he holds back for the most part. Seth Wand completely sucked ass yesterday, yet Carr made the comments to the media yesterday that Seth did a good job under the circumstances of not practicing at left tackle for over a month.
2nd, frustration over years of being hammered, whether it is his fault or not, is going to be natural after being sacked. I've seen Tom Brady get after his O-Line after a sacked. And god knows, Peyton Manning gets after all of his guys after a screw up.
After Corey Bradford dropped the ball, Carr simple put his hands on his knees for a minute in sheer disappoint. Perfectly natural reaction. If Pendry was telling him he should have hit AJ instead, I'd snap back at him just like Carr. He gave it his all. He tried to make something happen and executed perfectly. Bradford had a step on his man, and the ball was perfectly thrown. Should have been caught. QB's are going to take a shot at the more difficult big play all the time. Even the great one's like Brett Favre are going to screw up with the decision making.
We also need to keep in mind about the tenous relationships of QB's with most of their Coaches. Be it John Elway and Dan Reeves. Matt Hasselback and Mike Holmgren. Especially in the case of Hasselback, he made the pro bowl a few years ago with Holmgren. Holmgren is a bonafide offensive guru with Super Bowl rings as a testament. Yet, Hasselback still to this day openly professes that he and Holmgren have fundamental diffrences in offensive philosphy. Why the hell does Hasselback even argue with this guy. With Palmer and Pendry on the other hand, I'll just say they don't have the same pedigree as a Holmgren.
Is Carr a bust? No. Tim Couch is a bust. Akili Smith is a bust. Ryan Leaf is a bust. Cade McKnown is a bust. Sorry ass Joey Harrington is a bust. After the 1st half of last season, Carr had a QB rating north of 95 and was on pace for more than 4,000 yards passing. Defenses quickly figured out our uncomplicated passing schemes, our crappy offensive line, and that Andre Johnson should be double teamed all the time. Still Carr finished with 3400 plus yards, a qb rating north of 80, and more touchdowns than INT's. That is very solid production. Also remember that stat line that CBS kept throwing out during the 4th quarters of last year. How Carr's QB Rating jumped to north of 100 during the 4 quarters? He made some good plays to help us have a winning record after 7 games last year.
Take the shackles off this man, get him a decent O-Line, and I think he will be a very productive QB with borderline pro bowl potential. Warren Moon at the age of 30 whatever had some terrible seasons before his break out 1987 campaign. Brett Favre couldn't stop throwing more INT's than touchdowns until 1994 (or maybe 1993). Troy Aikman kept getting pulled for Steve Walsh his first 2 seasons. Drew Bledsoe after his stellar 2nd season had 4 consecutive mediocre seasons after that. Randall Cunnigham fell off the face of the earth before have a robust 1998 season. Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, and Rich Gannon were backups until they hit their late 20's, early 30's, yet went on to become pro bowlers. Steve Young barely did anything until the 1991 season, 6 years after he was drafted. Titan fans were calling for Neil O'Donnell to replace Steve McNair 4 games into the 1999 season (the Titans Super Bowl year). McNair was drafted in 1995.
Texans have bigger problems than the QB position. O-Line, TE, DL, OLB, WR, and DB.
Fegwu
11-08-2005, 12:52 AM
Carr is Steve Francis all-over-again.
I see David's tenure here ending unceremoniously just like Franchise's.
You know, it is so ludicrous when folks (here on the BBS or the players and coaches) say oh it was not a big deal. That they were just frustrated or fired up because of the losing. Big LIE!
That is ABSOLUTE BS. Some of those folks (who sell those BS lines) act like they are talking to pre-schoolers. You NEVER want to see such public outburst from your players. Period! The players might say all is well but it never ever will be the same again from here on out for Walker (and his backers on the team) and Carr and his peeps. The innocense has been taken away but I expect them to be pros and play through their "other" issues with each. All week, the players involved will waste our times and say all the right things about this but do not be fooled - we are human beings and the principle that governs this cannot be altered or changed.
It will be interesting to see how things go from here.
superden
11-08-2005, 01:53 AM
Carr is Steve Francis all-over-again.
I see David's tenure here ending unceremoniously just like Franchise's.
You know, it is so ludicrous when folks (here on the BBS or the players and coaches) say oh it was not a big deal. That they were just frustrated or fired up because of the losing. Big LIE!
That is ABSOLUTE BS. Some of those folks (who sell those BS lines) act like they are talking to pre-schoolers. You NEVER want to see such public outburst from your players. Period! The players might say all is well but it never ever will be the same again from here on out for Walker (and his backers on the team) and Carr and his peeps. The innocense has been taken away but I expect them to be pros and play through their "other" issues with each. All week, the players involved will waste our times and say all the right things about this but do not be fooled - we are human beings and the principle that governs this cannot be altered or changed.
It will be interesting to see how things go from here.
that is a little too dramatic. i think things operate differently in the nfl. you see things like this happen all the time in the nfl. granted you have your to's and moss's, but hopefully it shouldnt be a big deal.
i personally might not put the blame on carr as much as some of the other people out there. i mean sure he is sucking it up, but im really curious if there has been a successful qb that gets sacked 7 times game. that is a little unreasonable, and those sacks can really get to you. we need a michael vick back there because i dont think any other qb can be successful. just look at last year, the sacks went down and carr's production went up. this year the sacks skyrocketed and carr's production went down the tube. i think it is safe to say our o line plays a huge part in the offensive success of our team.
Rocket River
11-08-2005, 07:12 AM
Carr is Steve Francis all-over-again.
I see David's tenure here ending unceremoniously just like Franchise's.
You know, it is so ludicrous when folks (here on the BBS or the players and coaches) say oh it was not a big deal. That they were just frustrated or fired up because of the losing. Big LIE!
That is ABSOLUTE BS. Some of those folks (who sell those BS lines) act like they are talking to pre-schoolers. You NEVER want to see such public outburst from your players. Period! The players might say all is well but it never ever will be the same again from here on out for Walker (and his backers on the team) and Carr and his peeps. The innocense has been taken away but I expect them to be pros and play through their "other" issues with each. All week, the players involved will waste our times and say all the right things about this but do not be fooled - we are human beings and the principle that governs this cannot be altered or changed.
It will be interesting to see how things go from here.
Francis was held to a different standard
Pretty Boy will not be treated like Francis
ever
He will get a million and one chances
I like him finally getting feisty . . because i know there is
NO WAY IN HELL he will NOT be here next year
he *will* get his money . . he *WILL* be th e *FACE* of the texans
IMO until his contract is up
Rocket River
pgabriel
11-08-2005, 08:20 AM
CARR AIN'T THE PROBLEM!!!!
I never said Carr was the problem, calm down. I just don't think any player should be arguing with coaching, especially on this team. And if he wasn't supposed to throw to Bradford, then he should take the criticism.
Edit: the bottom line is the play didn't work, who's ever fault it was so if Pendry chose to take that moment to criticize Carr, I don't see the problem.
Again, Pendry was supposed to be tougher on the offense. That was the difference they pointed out between he and Palmer, and their was an article in the Chronicle about Carr accepting that change. Sunday was a perfect time to accept it.
DaDakota
11-08-2005, 08:33 AM
Hell I will say it...Carr stinks....he holds the ball too long, makes poor decisions, and is gun shy....
The team has lost faith in him........he has to go...bring in VY.
DD
Just watch the way Tom Brady handles himself and you'll see everything that David Carr isn't and will never be.
Do you know how Tom Brady would handle himself after 3 years of complete ineptitude and incompetence on the part of his o-line AND receivers? No, you don't--because he's never been in that position. In the same way, Carr might look like Bret Favre or Tom Brady with regards to "character" were in similar situations to them.
JumpMan
11-08-2005, 09:02 AM
Steve McKinney on John and Lance was defending the o-line play and blaming a lot of the sacks on Carr, everyone is turning on the guy.
I understand where you are coming from, but Carr nor this team for that matter are not at a point in their development to be going for the gusto blowing off the scheme. Now I'm speculating, none of know what was supposed to happen, but this team has improved under Pendry offensively so I'm going to go with him. I'm sure Bradford caught his for not catching the ball.
isn't bradford going deep part of the scheme? part of the game plan? or was he improvising? if so, then pendry needs to be angry with bradford, not carr. otherwise, he's micromanaging, and carr has been micromanaged enough. pendry needs to slap him on the ass and tell him he appreciated his guts and instincts and for making such a good pass. telling him AJ was open underneath, especially as they're walking off the field, is something that can be done in film sessions, in privacy, where it feels more like education than condemnation.
if this regime was the least bit competent, carr would have been put in a position to make such a decision years ago. instead, they sent him to slaughter on a weekly basis and have probably ruined the guy beyond repair.
ima_drummer2k
11-08-2005, 09:15 AM
Hell I will say it...Carr stinks....he holds the ball too long, makes poor decisions, and is gun shy....The team has lost faith in him........he has to go....
DD
LOL, Tampa Bay said the same thing about another QB years ago. Oh, let's see....what was his name again? Oh yeah:
Steve Young
pgabriel
11-08-2005, 09:18 AM
LOL, Tampa Bay said the same thing about another QB years ago. Oh, let's see....what was his name again? Oh yeah:
Steve Young
i think the get rid of Carr posts are extreme as well as he's the next Steve Young posts. We don't know what kind of qb he is because the organiztion is so screwed up right now.
ima_drummer2k
11-08-2005, 10:26 AM
We don't know what kind of qb he is because the organiztion is so screwed up right now.
That's all I'm saying.
"Getting rid" of Carr and bringing in yet another unknown at QB is such a short sighted solution.
HillBoy
11-08-2005, 10:38 AM
i COMPLETELY disagree. you have to trust your QB. this regime has NEVER trusted carr. if they have him on this tight a leash - sheesh! no wonder the team has regressed. he's your second best offensive player - put the game in his hands and let him use his natural talents to try and win! it's like telling AJ to run out of bounds rather than fighting for 10 extra yards because... i don't know... it might increase the likelihood of there being a penalty. unreal.
if i'm mcnair, and i heard and confirmed this version of the story, i'd leave pendry's ass in florida and then tell dom to kindly remove the shackles and let the guy i'm paying $60M do his job.
what a joke of a regime....
Part of the problem with the Texans is that the players aren't buying into what the coaches are saying because they have seen that it does not work. If it's that obvious to the fans, think of what it's like for the players. I'm with you in that at some point you have put your best players in a position to win and then trust them do their jobs. If they can't do the job then get rid of them and get someone in here who can. That's exactly what what Bill Parcells said up here last week: that at some point the players have to OWN the process in order for a team to succeed.
I saw nothing wrong with what Carr did because he threw a perfect pass that caught Jacksonville flat footed. It's not like Bradford had to make a spectacular Sportscenter-type catch because the ball landed in his hands while he was in full stride. A good NFL receiver makes that catch and that's the problem with Bradford, he drops far too many routine catches to be considered a good receiver. I think that Carr will be fine once a new coaching staff and GM actually go out and put some talent around him to give him a fighting chance to succeeed.
that's the problem with Bradford, he drops far too many routine catches to be considered a good receiver.
I rarely get to watch the Texans play an entire game, usually just a few downs here and there, but *every* time (and I do mean every! time!) I watch this team Hands Bradford makes another electrifying, exasperating non-catch. He's worse than a consistent, GIDP-ing rally-killer. Sucks.
Drewdog
11-08-2005, 10:45 AM
What I heard was that Pendry was telling Carr that he should have hit Johson for the first down instead of going for the home run with stonehands Bradford. Carr was saying that was BS as Bradford should have just caught the ball. Walker got tired of this ran up and told Carr to STFU and listen to the coach, calling him a spoiled brat. It got heated, they had to be seperated, but it was nothing that hasn't happened in NFL sidelines forever. No big deal, but good to see some one actually cares they are the laughing stock of the league.
When I watched the game I saw this as well, and Carr kind of shook his head and what I thought he said was "I didn't see him" - referring to Andre Johnson being WIDE open in the slot. On the replay you could see it, and AJ would have had a better shot of getting the first down.
Carr gambled, when all he needed was the first down. Bad decision making - he should take the blame.
MadMax
11-08-2005, 10:51 AM
When I watched the game I saw this as well, and Carr kind of shook his head and what I thought he said was "I didn't see him" - referring to Andre Johnson being WIDE open in the slot. On the replay you could see it, and AJ would have had a better shot of getting the first down.
Carr gambled, when all he needed was the first down. Bad decision making - he should take the blame.
ya think?? i don't know.
this is another damned if you do/damned if you dont thing. texans fans bitch incessantly about how conservative this offense is. how they never throw downfield. here's carr taking a shot with a perfect pass to an open receiver that puts us on the 5 yard line...the guy drops the ball...and it's Carr's fault for throwing it to him?? because he should have thrown it to someone else???
i don't know.
HillBoy
11-08-2005, 11:29 AM
Steve McKinney on John and Lance was defending the o-line play and blaming a lot of the sacks on Carr, everyone is turning on the guy.
Mckinney is an idiot who is trying to divert blame from his own sorry ass! How can it be Carr's fault when gets blindsided because his LT can't stop my Grandmother from rushing the passer or when the ball gets snapped and the DT pushes his center back into his face? Carr picked up 6 more sacks yesterday. What's he supposed to do? If he simply throws the ball away, he gets bitched out for killing drives. If he stays in the pocket waiting for his receivers to get open he gets sacked. If he drops back more than 3 steps, he gets sacked. If they wind up in an obvious passing down, he gets sacked.
The OL couldn't block toilet paper in the 4th quarter but that was Carr's fault also you say. Look, I'm not saying that Carr is perfect because he makes his fair share of mistakes out there but to continue to blame him for the stupidity and incompetence of this organization and coaching staff is absurd. THEY are the ones responsible for puttting together this train wreck and THEY will be the ones who will pay with their jobs at the end of the season.
I watched this same sh*t happen to Dan Pastorini when he was drafted by the Oilers. That poor guy took the most horrendous beating you ever saw from a nonexistent OL that even the opposing players who were sacking him felt sorry for him. It's a miracle he's still able to go to the bathroom by himself. In fact, the parallels between these two (Carr & Pastorini) are eerily similar. It took the Oilers YEARS before they discovered that things work a lot better if you PROTECT your quarterback. Looks like that's a lesson that the Texans never bothered to learn.
ima_drummer2k
11-08-2005, 11:50 AM
Carr gambled, when all he needed was the first down. Bad decision making - he should take the blame.
Had Bradford caught the ball, would it still have been a bad decision? It was a perfect throw.
As far as Carr "gambling" why wouldn't he? We were 1-6 (at the time). What do we have to lose? A playoff spot? Like MM said, people (myself included) are always bitching about us being too conservative and never going for the jugular. When we finally do, we bitch about that too.
reggietodd
11-08-2005, 12:06 PM
Steve McKinney on John and Lance was defending the o-line play and blaming a lot of the sacks on Carr, everyone is turning on the guy.
Yep. Its clear to me and game after game it will become more clear to everyone else. They had the deep snapper on 610 the other day and they asked him who the leader of the team was and he named a few guys, then the interviewer said what about david Carr? and the deep snapper really didn't say anything other than uhhhhh welll yeah I guess... hahaha did you guys hear that interview?
The team is against Carr. They know he is a fraud. Its becoming more and more clear each game who the problem is. If you don't think so, just keep watching. Give it time.
The team is against Carr.
If a team is turning on one another, the problem is its coaching.
ima_drummer2k
11-08-2005, 12:21 PM
I give up. Carr sucks. Trade him.
JayZ750
11-08-2005, 12:34 PM
Had Bradford caught the ball, would it still have been a bad decision? It was a perfect throw.
Of course it would have been a bad decision. The point is that it requires a perfect throw (check), and a well run route (check) and a above average catch (nope). Yes, Bradford should have caught it, but the chance of it happening was so slim. Get the first down.
If you would have made a different throw if it was a much more important game, why shouldn't you do it in a lesser game?
Rocket River
11-08-2005, 01:17 PM
LOL, Tampa Bay said the same thing about another QB years ago. Oh, let's see....what was his name again? Oh yeah:
Steve Young
I don't recall Young prospering in Tampa Bay
So
from the TAMPA BAY POINT OF VIEW . .they were right
he needed a fresh start
Rocket River
pgabriel
11-09-2005, 09:15 AM
This was a topic on John and Lance’s show this morning with Richard Justice on. They were talking about how talented UT is and they were just as talented in 01 when facing the same situation of having to play Colorado this year in the BigXII Championship. They said the difference is everyone knows the leader of the Longhorn team this year is Vince Young.
Then they started talking about the Texans and how this has become a problem. And they played a very telling clip from Marc and Rich’s show. They were interviewing a defensive player (sorry I forgot which one) and asked him who the leaders on the team were. He mentioned Wong and Payne. They asked what about the offense and after thinking he replied Weigert. Then Marc finally had to ask him if Carr was a leader.
You guys who think this stuff is overblown, I’m not so sure after hearing that. Did anyone else hear because I really wish I remembered who it was.
JumpMan
11-09-2005, 09:53 AM
They were interviewing the long snapper, I forgot his name too.
swilkins
11-09-2005, 10:34 AM
Carr is Steve Francis all-over-again.
I see David's tenure here ending unceremoniously just like Franchise's.
You know, it is so ludicrous when folks (here on the BBS or the players and coaches) say oh it was not a big deal. That they were just frustrated or fired up because of the losing. Big LIE!
That is ABSOLUTE BS. Some of those folks (who sell those BS lines) act like they are talking to pre-schoolers. You NEVER want to see such public outburst from your players. Period! The players might say all is well but it never ever will be the same again from here on out for Walker (and his backers on the team) and Carr and his peeps. The innocense has been taken away but I expect them to be pros and play through their "other" issues with each. All week, the players involved will waste our times and say all the right things about this but do not be fooled - we are human beings and the principle that governs this cannot be altered or changed.
It will be interesting to see how things go from here.
Have you ever been on a losing football team? I was. The f'n QB was crying the play in the huddle. I had to knock him upside the head, because if his head wasn't in the game, we had no chance at all.
These players desparately want to win. They don't like losing and if one player (Walker), thinks Carr is out of line because he's not taking advice from his coach, he might speak up.
I don't think Carr is spoiled. I think he is fed up with the results of the losing games. The fact that they can't play 4 quarters. I think Walker needs to pick his fights wisely, because quarterbacks and coaches don't always agree and defensive players, should stay out of it.
I thought Carr proved that he has the tools, if he has the talent around him.
The pass to Mathis in the Browns game and the last pass to Bradford were impressive throws. Those are the kinds of throws I'd like to see more of. Just not when the game is on the line.
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