View Full Version : Trade for Manny Ramirez
Kamel
10-30-2005, 10:25 AM
I believe to improve our offense we need a player like Manny Ramirez from the Red Sox. I think our management should target him this offseason.
SWTsig
10-30-2005, 10:36 AM
I believe to improve our offense we need a player like Manny Ramirez from the Red Sox. I think our management should target him this offseason.
very interesting game plan.
who could refuse such an in-depth and well thought out strategy such as the one you've provided here? you've clearly done your research and have exhausted all possibilities.
i say let's do it.
The Cat
10-30-2005, 10:50 AM
From a baseball perspective, sounds great. Got a spare $20 mil per season around, though? ;)
nycrocket
10-30-2005, 11:07 AM
How about Bagwell, Astacio, Wheeler, SP prospect for Manny?
Astros shed Bagwell's salary for offensive production, move Berkman to 1st.
Red Sox use home-grown Bagwell at DH, get some cheap young talent at other positions.
torque
10-30-2005, 11:08 AM
They'd probably take Burke + Wandy...lets do it.
tierre_brown
10-30-2005, 12:01 PM
I'm probably the only one, but if we're spending 20 mill or however much he costs, I want someone who can hit the ball but also play some D...
mateo
10-30-2005, 12:03 PM
If we were going to take a player from Boston, might as well take Jesus. He's a free agent.
From a baseball perspective, sounds great. Got a spare $20 mil per season around, though? ;)
Actually, nobody is going to trade for Manny unless the Red Sox eat a SIGNIFICANT portion of his contract.
Also, Manny has his own preferences on where he wants to end up... and the only NL teams mentioned so far have been the Mets and the Diamondbacks.
bobrek
10-30-2005, 12:15 PM
Years ago the Astros turned down a Pete Harnisch for Manny Ramirez trade...
JunkyardDwg
10-30-2005, 12:34 PM
Manny would be a cancer on a club like ours. And the Astros certainly don't need a high priced slugger. They need a solid impact player w/ a clutch bat, a role player of sorts. Someone of the Damon or Furcal breed I would think.
MadMax
10-30-2005, 01:17 PM
Actually, nobody is going to trade for Manny unless the Red Sox eat a SIGNIFICANT portion of his contract.
Also, Manny has his own preferences on where he wants to end up... and the only NL teams mentioned so far have been the Mets and the Diamondbacks.
i thought he turned down a deal to the Mets because he didn't want to play in NY. that was reported in the whole ramirez/beltran trade scenario.
Hakeem06
10-30-2005, 02:35 PM
as great as he is...he isn't worth the trouble. i don't think the ownership is willing to take a guy like him, they've always looked for good players and good people. he only fits one of the those categories. and i wouldn't give up burke or wheeler for him.
Molotov Cocktail
10-30-2005, 02:52 PM
As mateo said, I think JD would be a much better fit for the 'Stros.
russian88
10-30-2005, 03:25 PM
Manny won't come here anyways.
RocketFan007
10-30-2005, 03:41 PM
Years ago the Astros turned down a Pete Harnisch for Manny Ramirez trade...
We were probably scared to deal with Cleveland after that Kenny Lofton for Eddie Taubensee raping.
Manny would be great, all he needs is a day off every now and then...
mateo
10-30-2005, 04:32 PM
He could pee on the pole in Tal's Hill.
Actually, nobody is going to trade for Manny unless the Red Sox eat a SIGNIFICANT portion of his contract.
Also, Manny has his own preferences on where he wants to end up... and the only NL teams mentioned so far have been the Mets and the Diamondbacks.
Manny said NO to the Mets, even with his buddy Pedro there.
Manny said NO to the Mets, even with his buddy Pedro there.
I know... I was just stating which teams had even been mentioned as a possibility... and all-in-all, I don't see the Astros being very high on his PR-concious, high-profile radar.
rezdawg
10-30-2005, 09:05 PM
as great as he is...he isn't worth the trouble. i don't think the ownership is willing to take a guy like him, they've always looked for good players and good people. he only fits one of the those categories.
Why do you consider Manny not a good person? What has he done that has made you say, "wow, what a bad person" ?
Master Baiter
10-30-2005, 09:07 PM
Why do you consider Manny not a good person? What has he done that has made you say, "wow, what a bad person" ?
He wants to be traded every 6 months. It get predictable and old.
VesceySux
10-30-2005, 09:23 PM
HELL NO. Besides, can you imagine the sheer amount of "What's in your CD player?" conversations that would break out in the dugout? :)
Major
10-30-2005, 09:26 PM
He wants to be traded every 6 months. It get predictable and old.
First, while he does seem to make that request a bit, it doesn't affect his play. Second, he's been in the league for 10+ years and last year was the first time that we know that he requested a trade. Third, all through all of that, his teammates never got tired of him and loved him in the clubhouse. I think a lot of it is simply overblown.
He'd be a great addition, especially with the structure of MMP. He played much of his career, happily, in a small-market in Cleveland so I don't think Houston itself would be a problem. Now, whether we could take on the salary or have the pieces needed to make a trade would be a whole different issue.
jopatmc
10-30-2005, 09:41 PM
Yeah, trade for that sad sack and sign Lonnie Smith and then we can have the outfield from hell with him, Lonnie, and Berkman running around on ice skates out there. They'd be good for about 10 inside the park homers next year.
geeimsobored
10-30-2005, 10:04 PM
And how do you expect to come up with the money to pay for this guy. We could be over 100 million...
RocketFan007
10-30-2005, 10:09 PM
And how do you expect to come up with the money to pay for this guy. We could be over 100 million...
If he gets traded, Boston will eat a HUGE chunk of his salary.
JayZ750
10-30-2005, 11:11 PM
Manny would be a cancer on a club like ours. And the Astros certainly don't need a high priced slugger. They need a solid impact player w/ a clutch bat, a role player of sorts. Someone of the Damon or Furcal breed I would think.
Not that the Astros couldn't use that player, but they could certainly use someone with Manny's offensive capabilities also. His OBP has been down, but 45 HR's, 144 RBI. And that's the 10th time he's gone over 100 RBI in his career and the 10th over 30 hr's.
I think he'd be a great addition, but would certainly approve of acquiring a less powerful, but just as solid middle of the order type guy.
W Texas Rocket
10-31-2005, 06:12 AM
Why do you consider Manny not a good person? What has he done that has made you say, "wow, what a bad person" ?
he is not a bad person. He is just crazy.
Manny Ramirez
10-31-2005, 06:41 AM
If he gets traded, Boston will eat a HUGE chunk of his salary.
Which is why I think it is highly doubtful you will see him traded. The Red Sox would have to be idiots to deal him for trash AND eat a large part of salary to be rid of him. The dude may be from outer space but he produces. Red Sox go through this every year with him - it is no big surprise that it happened again.
I know... I was just stating which teams had even been mentioned as a possibility... and all-in-all, I don't see the Astros being very high on his PR-concious, high-profile radar.
Manny being Manny ... with Uncle Drayton. Priceless, except for a spare $57mil, or so.
Furious Jam
10-31-2005, 07:50 AM
Gee... High priced and high maintenance? Not for Drayton.
Groogrux
10-31-2005, 07:59 AM
Gee... High priced and high maintenance? Not for Drayton.
Well, at least the high maintenance part.
emjohn
10-31-2005, 09:02 AM
When I read the article about his agent re-demanding a trade, I know this thread would be here within a short period of time.
But hey! Trade for Manny, Guerrero, and Matsui, and then sign Konerko. That'll be a good start, huh? If Drayton doesn't do it, he's just being tight fisted. DO IT!
:cool:
Svpernaut
10-31-2005, 09:03 AM
I wouldn't want Manny on my team even for a few million. The Astros have always had a tight clubhouse, and adding Manny to the mix would only be a cancer. I love the fact that year after year the Astros put quality men on the field, not just players...
Manny Ramirez
10-31-2005, 09:09 AM
I think some of you really don't know that much about Manny to be saying he would be a "cancer". Hell yes he is a flake, but that doesn't make the man a "cancer". But I have NEVER read anyone on the Sox saying the guy is a cancer in the clubhouse. If that is really true, they are keeping it to themselves which would be rare considering how much other stuff leaks out of Boston.
Master Baiter
10-31-2005, 09:20 AM
First, while he does seem to make that request a bit, it doesn't affect his play. Second, he's been in the league for 10+ years and last year was the first time that we know that he requested a trade. Third, all through all of that, his teammates never got tired of him and loved him in the clubhouse. I think a lot of it is simply overblown.
He'd be a great addition, especially with the structure of MMP. He played much of his career, happily, in a small-market in Cleveland so I don't think Houston itself would be a problem. Now, whether we could take on the salary or have the pieces needed to make a trade would be a whole different issue.
I am in no way saying I dont want him, just saying that is his MO. You cant turn down a huge bat like that.
ROCKSS
10-31-2005, 01:32 PM
I would love to have his production but the price tag is to high not to mention I hate the fact how he admires his HR`s ;)
The Ming Dynasty
10-31-2005, 06:00 PM
Yeah, trade for that sad sack and sign Lonnie Smith and then we can have the outfield from hell with him, Lonnie, and Berkman running around on ice skates out there. They'd be good for about 10 inside the park homers next year.
Classic :D
The Ming Dynasty
10-31-2005, 06:02 PM
I wouldn't want Manny on my team even for a few million. The Astros have always had a tight clubhouse, and adding Manny to the mix would only be a cancer. I love the fact that year after year the Astros put quality men on the field, not just players...
Not that I think we should try to get him, but they did all right with Kent, even though I don't think he was a clubhouse favorite.
juicystream
10-31-2005, 06:50 PM
How about Bagwell, Astacio, Wheeler, SP prospect for Manny?
Astros shed Bagwell's salary for offensive production, move Berkman to 1st.
Red Sox use home-grown Bagwell at DH, get some cheap young talent at other positions.
You know David Ortiz is their DH and the best one in the game at that. They might as well play Bags at first if they had him and Ortiz. Bags can't throw, but Ortiz can't catch or throw.
nycrocket
10-31-2005, 07:42 PM
You know David Ortiz is their DH and the best one in the game at that. They might as well play Bags at first if they had him and Ortiz. Bags can't throw, but Ortiz can't catch or throw.
Because Ortiz' 6 additional errors in a season would kill the RedSox right? Ortiz could move to 1B if they get enough talent thrown in from the Astros. Not many teams are gonna want/are able to take on Manny's contract.
redgoose
11-02-2005, 09:02 PM
The key is to watch Manny play. Not to listen to what he says. If you do that he's one of the 5 best players out their. I just have Darryl Ward flashbacks in the OF when i think of Manny.
Desert Scar
11-02-2005, 10:34 PM
Great player, tremendous plate discipline, exactly what the Stros need.
Get Bags to reduce his salary, get Boston to reduce some salary of MR and put a nice offer together: young P with a lot of talent (our choice of Backe or Qualls or Lidge) + OF/1b (thier choice of Burke/Lamb) + pick.
Stros could get 100 wins with MR in the clean up spot behind Berkman and mostly the same pitching staff/defense. We would go from a below average offense to an above average offense in 1 move. In fact defense would probably be better too with MR in LF and Berkman full time at 1b.
Why go for Damon when we have Taveras and Biggio at the too. Stros need another heavy, but disciplined, bat in the heart (4/5) of the line up.
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