ClutchFans - the baseball gods and regiie sanders

Ric

10-14-2005, 11:14 AM

that's what you get when you do a curtain call in the 1st inning of a seven game series, you decrepit jackass! i wish you had broken your back. i really do. in fact, i'm upset it's only a sprain.

and you're next, albert. if you want to sit and ad- oh, wait, hold on - fox wants to show another replay of puljos' homer....

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and here's another angle...

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reverse angle...

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here it is from the arch's perspective...

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here's a view of it from larussa's crotch cam...

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now steve lyons will perform fellatio on puljos' bat...

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ok, back to my post. if you want to sit and admire your HR, go play 40-and-over softball, you POS. otherwise, don't you EVER freaking show roy oswalt up like that again. the baseball gods are obviously watching this series very closely...

Chance

10-14-2005, 11:16 AM

where's the peeektures esse?

wrath_of_khan

10-14-2005, 11:18 AM

Reggie's curtain call really did piss me off, but, having been through 3 major sports-related injuries, I don't wish it on anyone.

But I'm not complaining that he might be out for a while...

After we were forced to go into the NLCS with a decimated rotation that didn't have Rocket and Roy until Games 3 & 4 last year, I think it's about time for another squad to have the injury bug.

MadMax

10-14-2005, 11:23 AM

i didn't think about reggie with this....

but freaking albert watching it go last night like that. wow. in a regular season game, that would warrant a plunk. i know he's a nice guy and everything...but put your damn head down and jog around the bases. you knew it was out. stop watching it with your little bravado walk down the baseline. freak.

ROCKSS

10-14-2005, 11:30 AM

agreed. Classless move by Albert and Sanders taking a curtain call in game one was a bit puzzling also. I know its the playoffs but I dont think the Astros will forget the Pujols incident.

candlegreen

10-14-2005, 11:40 AM

Believe me, I hated it more than anyone when Sanders came back out and hated it EVEN MORE when Pujols gave that "I'm a bad@$$" look when he hit it. Then I thought about what would happen if Burke hits a HR in MMP and the fans cheer the way the StL fans did for a curtain call. I would definitely be more than happy to see Burke out doing that, or Berkman, or whoever. I also wouldn't be jeering if Biggio hits the next ball in the 1st inning into the Crawford Boxes and stood to admire it (although it's more than obvious he's not that kind of person.) Let's say, Mike Lamb does that. I would be happy that we're showing some attitude. MAybe Pujols did what he did as a way to try to pump his team up. I have seen nothing to complain about Pujol's attitude thus far in his career. In fact, I find it kind of entertaining when I saw him and Berkman starting a conversion with Lance on first base. They seem to enjoy the moment, and so should we. Whoever wins this series will get the last laugh, so GO ASTROS!

On the side note, I can't say I wasn't half cheering inside when Sanders went down. I can't say that I wasn't hoping for a playoff ending injury. However, that was a vicious fall from someone who gave it everything he got. The only explanation to why he "deserved" to fall on his back was the fact that he misplayed that ball and ended up having to jump, or his mal-intentioned attempt to create a Jose Canseco moment. However, I can't see how it could justify him getting hurt seriously. A guy's in a hot streak and he shows some attitude. I hope I won't see him in games 3, 4, nor 5 and hope the Astros win them all, but I would not wish for anything serious for Sanders. IN fact, I would be more than happy to see an Astros player give a curtain call (at a more appropriate time than the 1st inning of a game) and receive a standing ovation.

Yes, I'm tired of seeing each HR by the StL Cardinals being replayed 100 times each. I want to see the reaction to one of Houston's HRs. What irks me more is how Edmond's defensive play is the "play of the game" or whatever they called it. I would think it would be a play that got the Astros to where they are now. Oh well. Just hit them where it really hurts, Astros, and by that, I mean win the series!

tim562

10-14-2005, 11:45 AM

I thought I was the only one who felt like this. Nice to know I wasn't alone. Bunch of cocky a-holes. I hate the cardinals almost as much as I hate the Mavs.

Ric

10-14-2005, 11:48 AM

Then I thought about what would happen if Burke hits a HR in MMP and the fans cheer the way the StL fans did for a curtain call.
didn't the astros hit three pretty big homers sunday against the braves? i don't remember any curtain calls. granted, carlos burke couldn't really give curtain call, but still, our players ooze class. guys like sanders and puljos have none, as far as i'm concerned. same for the jackass third grader who yanked one off clemens in ATL. i hope he's involved in a tragic big wheel accident.

i mean come on! "ohh.. i'd never wish harm on anyone..." i would and i will. i wish his back had fallen off, if that's even medically possible. edmonds still scares the **** out of me (oswalt punching him out in the 7th with two on is, was and will be the play of this postseason if we win this damn thing), so i hope he shatters a knee cap getting out of bed this morning. i hope the next time puljos sits and admres a HR that doesn't even give his team the lead that one of his eyes goes blind. i hope that larussa wrongs the mafia organization he belongs to and gets it pesci-style.

no, seriously, sanders deserved what he got. don't you watch MY NAME IS EARL? karma, baby...

garthomps

10-14-2005, 11:56 AM

Curtain Call? What happened? I missed game 1 (live out of the country)

thanks . .

wrath_of_khan

10-14-2005, 11:58 AM

didn't the astros hit three pretty big homers sunday against the braves? i don't remember any curtain calls. granted, carlos burke couldn't really give curtain call, but still, our players ooze class.

Great point. As I watched Berkman round the bases, you couldn't tell whether he had just flied out or hit the biggest grand slam in Astros history. And Ausmus just put his head down and started trotting once the ump signaled HR.

btw, "carlos burke" = genuis :D

Surfguy

10-14-2005, 12:00 PM

i do think sanders got a lot cocky out there and was brought back to Earth when he crashed and burned. as far as pujols admiring his HR, i don't really have much of a problem with that. a lot of players do that godly stare when they pounce one and then kick into their homerun trot while flicking the bat like it weighs the same as a toothpick. sure, it pisses me off and comes across as arrogant. so what? it's still part of the game.

yes, the sanders curtain call was arrogant and cocky and all of that. i don't care how old he is or what he did last series. this is a new series and it was only the 1st inning of the 1st game.

somehow, if this guy was on our team and was doing really well, then i bet a curtain call in houston would have been welcome. we're just pissy because it's on the other team.

Svpernaut

10-14-2005, 12:01 PM

Curtain Call? What happened? I missed game 1 (live out of the country)

thanks . .

Reggie Sanders came out of the dugout and tipped his hat after his homerun in the first inning of game freaking ONE! Honestly, who comes out for a curtain call in the first inning of any game?

MadMax

10-14-2005, 12:02 PM

Surfguy

10-14-2005, 12:04 PM

FranchiseBlade

10-14-2005, 12:07 PM

I don't know why, but Reggie Sanders move didn't bother me. I thought/and hoped maybe he was basking in the limelight prematurely, but I looked at as him recognizing the fans appreciation. I wasn't that bothered.

Albert's little swagger thing after his homer, bothered me, but not that much. They were still losing, and there was just no call for it, but he didn't go on my most hated list for it.

Surfguy

10-14-2005, 12:08 PM

i'm sure the cards fans were pissed when roy clinched his fist after the last out in the 7th. their probably bitching and moaning about it in the cards forum. hehe

Svpernaut

10-14-2005, 12:09 PM

it's also part of the game to plunk someone who does that.

I like how Roy O was throwing high and inside to the righties all night, especially Sanders and Pujols... He also brushed Eckstein back with a 96MPH fastball to the face area because he was crowding the plate, I love that kid!

candlegreen

10-14-2005, 12:15 PM

I'm not saying that the Astros would or should do that. I'm just saying that we wouldn't be mad at all if one of our players came out and tipped their cap. In fact, we would probably be cheering as well. St Louis Players are playing with the emotions that this is their last hurrah in the soon-to-be-demised Busch Stadium.

It's definitely past the borderline of cocky, but 1st inning or not, Reggie's HR was huge with the 2 pitchers on the mound to start that game, and Pujol's HR was huge in comeback efforts. Did that HR by pujols have game 7 of last year written all over it? I was hiding behind pillows when Edmonds was batting and struck out in the 5th and grounded out in the 7th.

All I'm saying is, I don't like the cardinals. I can pretty much say I hated them and the braves for causing so much problems. I just want to say that each team probably feels this way, only that their allegiance is elsewhere. The Astros has the class to not smirk when they field a ball, put out their chest when they hit a HR, or give a curtain call early in a game 1, but that doesn't mean we as fans won't cheer for that. We cheered when T-Mac nailed that shot in game 2 and we cheered when the Rockets were giving that weird 3-fingered signal. I'm sure the other team and their fans didn't enjoy that as well. However, winning silenced all that, as will none of us will care if the Astros pulls this off. There's no reason to wish that Sanders would break his back or flat out die. That's just a little extreme to share with the public ;)

Major

10-14-2005, 12:22 PM

i mean come on! "ohh.. i'd never wish harm on anyone..." i would and i will. i wish his back had fallen off, if that's even medically possible.

You're complaining about people watching HRs or responding to fans with curtain calls while you yourself are wishing injury on people. Wow, talk about karma.

candlegreen

10-14-2005, 12:28 PM

You're complaining about people watching HRs or responding to fans with curtain calls while you yourself are wishing injury on people. Wow, talk about karma.

I'm just assuming that 99% of the people that wishes people would break a back or wish for serious harm on anyone, sports related or not, must be lucky enough to have never experienced much physical pain in their lives.

I might scream for their heads during a game, but all in all, I can't imagine being happy for someone getting hurt seriously. I've gotten hurt enough times playing sports, from minor scratches to lingering injuries. As much as I've never had a major injury playing sports or anything in general, even those lingering stuff like a fractured finger is enough to frustrate a person into some panic mode. A broken back? That's something that sounds enough to paralyze a person for life....

EDIT: I was quoting in support of your response to those previous posts, btw.

PhiSlammaJamma

10-14-2005, 12:41 PM

I am slightly ajar when they point to the sky, I don't care if they do it, I just don't need to see it after every single. But all in all the celebrating doesn't bother me.

kaleidosky

10-14-2005, 12:43 PM

I think most of us have been conditioned by the attitude our team has had for such a long time. Ever since Bags and Bidge have been the captain-type guys here, everyone has followed in their footsteps. Carl Everett shaped up when he got here, for cryin out loud!

I think we're used to our team having that professional, business-like attitude about the game (which I personally think is great in any sport). But all I'm saying here is that...it probably pisses us all off even more to see the Cards do it because our team has been just the opposite for SO long. Most other teams really can't say that.

That's why I think we're even more upset about it... but I'm still pissed. Screw the Cards.

(I always hope for a series-ending injury that's non-career-threatening...like a badly strained hammy or something. Don't want anyone really hurt...just hurt enough to not screw us.)

Ric

10-14-2005, 01:04 PM

You're complaining about people watching HRs or responding to fans with curtain calls while you yourself are wishing injury on people. Wow, talk about karma.
i'm not wishing per se; sanders got what he deserved; puljos will, too. you don't mess with the baseball gods.

I think most of us have been conditioned by the attitude our team has had for such a long time.
nope. if sanders had hit that homer in the bottom of the 8th of game 6 with the pennant on the line, OK. if puljos' homer had won the game, OK. i get that - it would still piss me off, but i get it. but when they did what they did when they did what they did, they deserve smite from the baseball gods. sanders deserved to make an ass of himself and get hurt. puljos is next. they're watching.........

Icehouse

10-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Reggie Sanders came out of the dugout and tipped his hat after his homerun in the first inning of game freaking ONE! Honestly, who comes out for a curtain call in the first inning of any game?

I'm not a huge baseball fan so please don't flame me. :)

What's wrong with what Sanders did? He hit a homer at home and got some love from the crowd (thats what it sounds like). Is that some kind of way of saying game over, or something?

ima_drummer2k

10-14-2005, 01:41 PM

To tell you the truth, I wasn't bothered by either move. Compared to basketball and football, players showing up other players doesn't even exist in baseball. It's all so subtle compared to other sports, it just doesn't bother me.

MadMax

10-14-2005, 01:42 PM

I'm not a huge baseball fan so please don't flame me. :)

What's wrong with what Sanders did? He hit a homer at home and got some love from the crowd (thats what it sounds like). Is that some kind of way of saying game over, or something?

a curtain call is a special deal. it's not something to be done after ever HR. and the first freaking inning is way too early for that. particularly in Game 1 of a series. i have a friend who is a cardinals fan,and even he said he was surprised to see that.

macalu

10-14-2005, 01:42 PM

I'm not a huge baseball fan so please don't flame me. :)

What's wrong with what Sanders did? He hit a homer at home and got some love from the crowd (thats what it sounds like). Is that some kind of way of saying game over, or something?

curtain calls should be reserved for doing something spectacular. hitting a 2 run dinger in the first hardly qualifies.

MR. MEOWGI

10-14-2005, 01:43 PM

You're complaining about people watching HRs or responding to fans with curtain calls while you yourself are wishing injury on people. Wow, talk about karma.

That's what I was thinking. :D

pgabriel

10-14-2005, 01:44 PM

I really don't care, but I do have to admit I was like WTF when he gave a Curtain Call. I was listening in my car. Milo just said he came out for a curtain call and I was all mad because I thought Milo was being his usual self and not giving what the details were.

Svpernaut

10-14-2005, 01:59 PM

I'm not a huge baseball fan so please don't flame me. :)

What's wrong with what Sanders did? He hit a homer at home and got some love from the crowd (thats what it sounds like). Is that some kind of way of saying game over, or something?

Baseball is the one game where respect and history come into play every night (the main reason it is my favorite sport). As said by some above, curtain calls are for "special" moments and things that happen in the first inning of a seven game series are certainly not special moments. If a player hits 3 home runs in a game, the 3rd could easily be a curtain call. If a player breaks a record, they get a curtain call. If the player hits a game winning or go ahead run in the late innings then a curtain call could be made... but most greats wouldn't give a curtain call in that spot.

To be honest, most real "great" players want NOTHING to do with curtain calls. You won't see a Bagwell or Biggio go curtain calling unless it is maybe a special moment in their career or setting a personal record, and even then it would seem weird that they are doing it because they are true team guys. They are all about the team aspect and curtain calls are "selfish" in the grand scheme of things because they are about individual achievments.

Baseball is also a game that thrives on revenge, such as "you hit our best guy we'll hit yours." I think this is one reason Roy was "all up in" Reggies grill the entire game, he threw him up and in fastballs all night. A lot of pitchers are big "respect" guys, like show us respect and we won't hit you... and the Astros pitchers (Clemens, Roy and Lidge) don't shy away from making a point with some 95MPH chin music. Nolan Ryan is probably the king of payback, he would plunk just about anyone if they deserved it... think Robin Ventura.

zoork34

10-14-2005, 02:10 PM

well, here's hoping we go up like 10 - 0 in the early innings on saturday.........cause if that happens, i would definitely put some money on the Rocket plunking poopjols in the back or something with a 95 mph fastball

Desert Scar

10-14-2005, 02:16 PM

I have never liked basically this Cardinal team after the Snakes beat them in 01 only for them (Larusa, Morris, Edmunds, maybe Pujols???) to cry the better team lost. BTW the Snakes beat their next two opponents as well and win the World Series, which that Cardinal team certainly would not have succeeding in doing. (side note, Reggie Sanders was a Snake then--and him coming back or not won't be the factor many think. He is a classic teaser, once you think he has got really hot and locked in he will strike out 4 times in a row. As great to a postseason start he has, he is just as likely to be a zero from here on out as to continue anything remotely like that torrid hitting).

After that classless act, about the only team I might route for this group of Cardinals over is the NYY. The sad thing is the Cardinals are kinda media darlings ("hard nosed team", "good guys", "great fans", "hard luck team haven't won since 80s", bla, bla, bla, etc), IMO they are as smug as they come--the Pujols play kinda just fits in with that. What about the hard luck Astros and great career MLB reps and players (Bigg, Bags) who have never made it to a World Series--no media play there.

I actually think the Yankees have a ton more class--I just can't route for them under any circumstances despite major respect for some individual players and coaches there.

MadMax

10-14-2005, 02:19 PM

smug is a good word to describe the cardinals.

having said that...they've heaped a lot of praise on us recently. particularly on our pitching.

Rule0001

10-14-2005, 02:34 PM

I like how Roy O was throwing high and inside to the righties all night, especially Sanders and Pujols... He also brushed Eckstein back with a 96MPH fastball to the face area because he was crowding the plate, I love that kid!

maybe it's just the sick and twisted humor in me

but I LOVE it when our pitchers throw 95-96 mph fastballs and come within inches of the opposing batters face

teach them to crowd the plate

pgabriel

10-14-2005, 02:34 PM

Baseball is the one game where respect and history come into play every night (the main reason it is my favorite sport). .

that's also why it lost its status as national pastime. BOORINNNGG

MadMax

10-14-2005, 02:37 PM

that's also why it lost its status as national pastime. BOORINNNGG

:D do you think these games are boring?? i'm dying...biting my fingernails...freaking out. boring isn't the word i'd use to describe it.

not arguing with you...i can't convince you it's exciting! :) just curious.

pgabriel

10-14-2005, 02:39 PM

:D do you think these games are boring?? i'm dying...biting my fingernails...freaking out. boring isn't the word i'd use to describe it.

not arguing with you...i can't convince you it's exciting! :) just curious.

no, the game last night was electric, just the peronalities

"you know, baseball's a marathon"

Mr. Brightside

10-14-2005, 02:40 PM

I don't fear God, but I do fear Pujols. :p

rocketfan83

10-14-2005, 02:41 PM

I'm sick of hearing how classy St. Louis fans are. Anybody see that piece on SC from the 85 world series? The Ump got hundreds of death threats from fans...

I'm sure any other city would have done the same. But St. Louis is supposed to be "special" town with alot of class. I don't want to hear that there just like anyother town...

Given the situations of the Homers by Pujlius and Sanders I thought they were extremely odd. But it didnt upset me to much. I just hated seeing fox showing like 25 replays of Pujlous homeruns. Its just a freaking homerun. If they want to show a replay 25 times than show edmonds catch that was amazing...

Toast

10-14-2005, 02:42 PM

Poo-hole just standing there with the stare-down, waiting for his homer to finally reach the stands. Man that pissed me off!

Hit the ball, do a fist-pump or whatever. But don't show up the pitcher who just held your mighty offensive squad to 1 run and 4 or 5 hits in 7 innings. Chump ass bitch.

MadMax

10-14-2005, 02:45 PM

no, the game last night was electric, just the peronalities

"you know, baseball's a marathon"

ah...got it.

sounds like biggio talking...or maybe me :)

MadMax

10-14-2005, 02:46 PM

Given the situations of the Homers by Pujlius and Sanders I thought they were extremely odd. But it didnt upset me to much. I just hated seeing fox showing like 25 replays of Pujlous homeruns. Its just a freaking homerun. If they want to show a replay 25 times than show edmonds catch that was amazing...

yeah..they go a little overboard on instant replays. i'm pretty sure i saw burke sliding into 3B with that triple 423,497 times. give or take a few. my five year old son said, "geez, are they gonna show that a million times??!!"

BMoney

10-14-2005, 02:52 PM

The Real Shady

10-14-2005, 02:55 PM

Why are you guys so surpriesed that Pujols walked half way to first admiring his HR? He does it everytime.

MadMax

10-14-2005, 02:56 PM

Why are you guys so surpriesed that Pujols walked half way to first admiring his HR? He does it everytime.

it needs to stop. plunk.

rocketholic

10-14-2005, 03:01 PM

I think plunking someone because they take too long admiring a ball they hit out of the park is deplorable. That's a baseball code that I think is awful.

As for the St. Louis fans...I can't hate them like I hate Cubs, or Braves fans. They collectively suck donkey balls.

If that was the case Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz would be plucked a lot. They always do it, thats why I didn't think nothing of it when Pujols did it.

candlegreen

10-14-2005, 03:10 PM

Why are you guys so surpriesed that Pujols walked half way to first admiring his HR? He does it everytime.

Not suprised at all. What's Oswalt going to do? Plunk the next couple batters in response? The game's late enough where Roy would not face him again. At any rate, maybe I'm glad it happened because Oswalt's fastball went up to 97 a couple of times after that HR. He sat down the next 3 convincingly.

Surfguy

10-14-2005, 03:20 PM

I'm not on this page so I thought I would chime in. ;)

I think Sanders is an ass. :) The fans were cheering but were they expecting the curtain call? I think not. Sanders had to put his arrogant ass on a pedestal and buoy the game by bending the meaning of a curtain call to suit his own selfish, pricklish needs and answer his own questions like "why am i still playing at this age?", "am i really this good?", and "am i special?". the answers are "i don't now", "no", and "no" respectively. and/or, he thought he would get the fans more involved coming out for the curtain call. in conclusion, sanders is a selfish ass. by the way, get well soon. pujols is a piranha. don't get me started there. :D

commentary coming to you from...the ass of Surfguy.

damn i can't wait for the next game. damn.

ima_drummer2k

10-14-2005, 03:20 PM

it needs to stop. plunk.
Who you callin' a plunk, blitch?

Major

10-14-2005, 05:23 PM

chuichuitrain

10-14-2005, 05:40 PM

On Sander's curtain call - I still don't see what Sanders did wrong here. Don't fans push for the curtain call? It's not like Sanders asked for it.

On Pujols' HR watching... yeah, it's annoying. But I believe in the Jose Lima philosophy. People bitched all the time about his emotion and dancing and stuff after strikeouts. His response? Don't strike out if you don't want me to enjoy it. He also had the same attitude the other way - if you hit a HR against him, do what you want. It's his job to not allow it.

I do think it changes my view of players - I hated Griffey and Bonds for the same thing (still hate Bonds, but don't mind Griffey) - but I don't think there's anything too terribly wrong with the player doing it. Besides, Pujols doesn't have that attitude normally - it seemed a bit out of character. Not sure if it was frustration or what.

i agree. it did seem a bit out of character for pujols, and while he has been known to destroy the astros, i still like him. he's a nice guy.

and can we just make it a rule to not mention anything about any "baseball gods" in any of these forums? i mean it's enough that you're wishing serious injuries for the opposition, but to try to justify that with saying they deserve any punishment from the baseball gods? ehhh.... :rolleyes:

rezdawg

10-14-2005, 05:46 PM

Ric, I gotta agree with you here.

Sanders doing the curtain call is so amateur. What a freaking moron.

And Pujols, I'd be more okay with it if he tied it up or took the lead with that shot, but hey bro, you are still losing! Thats just pure cockiness by his part.

Karma is a bitch, Reggie got his and now Pujols is waiting in the wing.

Ric

10-16-2005, 01:27 PM

On Sander's curtain call - I still don't see what Sanders did wrong here. Don't fans push for the curtain call? It's not like Sanders asked for it.
did the fans drag him out of the dugout by force? show some class - i didn't see lamb curtain-calling on a far more important HR yesterday.

it is bush. the gods are ALL OVER this cardinal team. sanders, nunez... two down, several more to go.......

Major

10-16-2005, 03:35 PM

did the fans drag him out of the dugout by force? show some class - i didn't see lamb curtain-calling on a far more important HR yesterday.

it is bush. the gods are ALL OVER this cardinal team. sanders, nunez... two down, several more to go.......

So he shouldn't respect the wishes of his own fans because the opposing team's fans might not like it? Brilliant.

This is the dumbest discussion I think I've ever been associated with.

Major

10-16-2005, 03:38 PM

This is the dumbest discussion I think I've ever been associated with.

Edit: On this board. I've been involved in far dumber discussions in real life. :D

Groogrux

10-16-2005, 05:22 PM

Edit: On this board. I've been involved in far dumber discussions in real life. :D

HEY!!!

:D

MadMax

10-17-2005, 08:56 AM

So he shouldn't respect the wishes of his own fans because the opposing team's fans might not like it? Brilliant.

This is the dumbest discussion I think I've ever been associated with.

waiitttt.. it's not about the opposing fans. it's about not making a huge deal out of a 1st inning HR. curtain calls at that point are ridiculous.

did the fans ask for it?? debateable. they certainly clapped. but they always clap when their team hits a HR.

Desert Scar

10-17-2005, 03:30 PM

(side note, Reggie Sanders was a Snake then--and him coming back or not won't be the factor many think. He is a classic teaser, once you think he has got really hot and locked in he will strike out 4 times in a row. As great to a postseason start he has, he is just as likely to be a zero from here on out as to continue anything remotely like that torrid hitting).

Well, 0-4, 2SO in some big situations. I wasn't too far off.

After watching Sanders on multiple teams, both routing for him and against him, I can tell you he just isn't a great player. He punishes fastballs in the zone, no doubt--which he gets a lot on that Cardinals team, but against a good pitcher with some command of breaking balls, he just isn't very good.

Not only Pujols, but quite honestly Walker and Edmunds get me a whole lot more nervous against good pitching. Walker in particular can be a pesky pain in the ass even when the pitcher has great stuff. Sanders is as close to an easy out as you get in the middle of a healthy Cardinals line-up.

Major

10-17-2005, 03:38 PM

waiitttt.. it's not about the opposing fans. it's about not making a huge deal out of a 1st inning HR. curtain calls at that point are ridiculous.

did the fans ask for it?? debateable. they certainly clapped. but they always clap when their team hits a HR.

Isn't part of the definition of a curtain call something that the fans ask for? If he just wandered back out onto the dugout steps, then I agree it was ridiculous, but then it wasn't a curtain call.

If the fans ask something of their players, for whatever reason, I don't see a problem with an athlete responding. Last year, second home game of the playoffs. Top of the first inning, Beltran makes a pretty good catch - nothing particularly earthshattering. Wasn't really a big deal. We gave him a standing O for like a minute. It was ridiculous, but that's what fans do. As a St. Louis fan, I'd be more pissed if he didn't come out in response to our request for a curtain call than if he did. I just don't see the problem with him doing that.

Summer Song Giver

10-17-2005, 03:54 PM

I wasn't upset when Rodney Harrison went down for the year and if Bill Romanowski got hit by a bus today I don't think I'd shed a tear but other than that, I'm good.

mateo

10-17-2005, 04:06 PM

Pujols got his last night.

His third base coach told him not to run. He ran anyway.

Yeeeeeer out!!!!!

Major

10-18-2005, 09:46 AM

and you're next, albert. if you want to sit and ad- oh, wait, hold on - fox wants to show another replay of puljos' homer....

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ok, back to my post. if you want to sit and admire your HR, go play 40-and-over softball, you POS. otherwise, don't you EVER freaking show roy oswalt up like that again. the baseball gods are obviously watching this series very closely...

Dear Baseball Gods,

I am sure Ric is sorry for his comments. To make up for this, we will offer you a sacrifice in the form of a clutchfans poster.

I nominate Trader Jorge.