Nationals @ Astros

[Castor27]

All game talk goes in here. Please do not give play by play. If you need play by play go to CBS, ESPN, or Yahoo.

Pitching Proabables:

8-9 John Patterson (5-3, 2.42) vs. Ezequiel Astacio (2-4, 6.33) 7:05 on FSSW

8-10 Livan Hernandez (13-4, 3.37) vs. Wandy Rodriguez (6-5, 6.11) 7:05 on FSSW

8-11 Tony Armas (6-5, 4.64) vs. Andy Pettitte (9-8, 2.64) 7:05 on FSSW

[MadMax]

W!!! W!!! W!!!!

[Major]

One year ago today, we had a record of 55-57 according to the Chronicle. :eek:

[MadMax]

One year ago today, we had a record of 55-57 according to the Chronicle. :eek:

i blame drayton

[Major]

i blame drayton

i blame purpura. if only he had traded for a bat at the deadline last year, we might have turned it and made the playoffs.

[arkoe]

For some reason I thought this was a four game series.

Either way, we're going to win.

[MadMax]

i blame purpura. if only he had traded for a bat at the deadline last year, we might have turned it and made the playoffs.

you just blew my mind! :D

[Groogrux]

I blame everyone not happy with our current status. You're either with us or you're against us.

WWW!!!

[msn]

i blame purpura. if only he had traded for a bat at the deadline last year, we might have turned it and made the playoffs.
It's all my fault. I forgot to wash my lucky underwear in time for a critical game and rather than just tough it out for the team, I put on a clean but uncharmed pair. The rest is history... :(

[candlegreen]

I say Astacio beats another pitching giant (Patterson)!! Wandy's game bothers me a little bit, but there's no doubt in my mind that Pettitte bounces back from his last start!

W L W... but I'll rather be wrong and see WWW!

[Ottomaton]

W!!! W!!! W!!!!

Is this a cheer for Washington, or a prediction of an Astros sweep?
:)

[MadMax]

Is this a cheer for Washington, or a prediction of an Astros sweep?
:)

i like to leave people guessing.

[Lil Francis]

WLW

Livan is tough. Hopefully we can get a sweep but I doubt it.

[RocketMan Tex]

I won't use the letter since it's the letter on our opponent's caps, but....

ASTROS SWEEP!!!

That is all. Carry on.

[Kerfeld]

Let the good times roll! This is going to be one important homestand. We can really do some damage to our wild card competition starting tonite!!

[MadMax]

Let the good times roll! This is going to be one important homestand. We can really do some damage to our wild card competition starting tonite!!

they did some damage to themselves without the astros even taking the field last night! :)

[fya]

MMP = Astros secret weapon

W
W
W

[Uprising]

:( Damn Job made me leave town, I was supposed to go to one of the Nats games with my fam. Guess I'll have to wait till the weekend.

[Major Malcontent]

I wouldn't be surprised if we dropped these first 2, then went 9-2 or even 10-1 the rest of the homestand.

If we can split these first 2 or win em....loots like at worst a 9-4 homestand.

[Harrisment]

double post

[Harrisment]

Patterson scares me tonight, he looked solid the last time we faced them (wasn't the the Bruntlett extra inning HR game?) We still find a way to win though. Say goodnight Nats, the fairytale is over.

WWW

[Buck Turgidson]

Patterson:
5-0, 1.8something ERA at home
0-3, 4+ ERA on the road.

Zeke has an ERA of 3 at home this season (18+ innings).

[Groogrux]

I've seen Wandy, Roy, Roger and Andy all win at home. The great poster above me just informed me that he had an extra seat for me to watch Zeke win tonight. Schweet.

[rrj_gamz]

WLW...Would love to sweep, but don't know if we will...

[rodrick_98]

i blame purpura.

gerry hunsicker was the gm this time last year.

[Groogrux]

gerry hunsicker was the gm this time last year.

But Hunsicker was like Jesus and did no wrong.

[Major]

gerry hunsicker was the gm this time last year.

Yes, we also made the playoffs.

[Puedlfor]

But Hunsicker was like Jesus and did no wrong.

And when he takes over the Phillies we're all going to be screwed and sad that he left us because of Drayton. Right? any day now he's going to take that Phillies job. Practically right around the corner.

[Groogrux]

And when he takes over the Phillies we're all going to be screwed and sad that he left us because of Drayton. Right? any day now he's going to take that Phillies job. Practically right around the corner.

Actually, it's Drayton's fault that he hasn't taken the Phillies job yet. He's blackballed Hunsicker throughout the league because he's a cheap ass like that. Also, Pupura's fat.

[ROXRAN]

We will win because I will watch...

[Uprising]

OH yeah....W>>>>W>>>>W!

[RocketManJosh]

SWEEP!!!!

[Uprising]

Damn...come on Zeke!

1-0 Nats...

[Nick]

Damn...come on Zeke!

1-0 Nats...

Yea... Wilkerson hit that fastball like he knew it was coming. I think Zeke should exclusively go to that split any time he has a 2 strike count... until the league catches on.

As of now, they won't... and if you end up having to walk a guy like Wilkerson, that's fine... because there's not many ways Washington can beat you, but he's definitely one of them.

[Uprising]

30HR MORGAN!!!! :D :D :D

[Uprising]

Yea... Wilkerson hit that fastball like he knew it was coming. I think Zeke should exclusively go to that split any time he has a 2 strike count... until the league catches on.

As of now, they won't... and if you end up having to walk a guy like Wilkerson, that's fine... because there's not many ways Washington can beat you, but he's definitely one of them.

I agree, it seemed that He knew that pitch was coming. I saw the HR coming. His splitter looked good, he should stick to that.


EDIT:

UGH! I can't believe Zeke gave Paterson his 2nd hit in 36 at bats! :o :rolleyes: Men on 3rd and 2nd...NO OUTS. Get these outs Zeke! PLEASE!

[TMac640]

****.

[TMac640]

nothing like batting practice

3 ****ing hrs this game :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[The Real Shady]

Ol' Long Ball Astacio is back.

[Uprising]

Now a guy just hit his FIRST MAJOR LEAGUE HR! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

5-1 bad guys.

3 HR's so far tonight off of Zeke.

[Uprising]

This is reminding me of that 8HR game the Rangers had against us. Didn't they score like 18 runs?

[BigCountry132]

Astacio's demise happens the same day Backe's simulated game went bad; things arent looking so good now.

[francis 4 prez]

i think the rangers are still scoring runs from that game.


edit: this feels like a game where we're not scoring the rest of the night. hope they prove me wrong but i'm betting that 1 run is still up there at the end of the game.

[halfbreed]

I'm gettin motion sickness from all the bandwagon jumping going on.

On or off please.

[Uprising]

The Nats have lost 10-12 on the road. :eek: Come on Stros!

3Hr's 5runs in 4 innings. :(

[ROXRAN]

Is it just me, or is watching this Patterson pitcher just annoying with his body motions and weirdass gape walking :confused: ?....

[thewaterox]

The Nats have lost 10-12 on the road. :eek: Come on Stros!

3Hr's 5runs in 4 innings. :(

Bad thing about the Stros is they don't have an offense that bring you back when you're down 6-1. They can win close games but once they get down they are pretty much done for the night.

Hopefully Wandy does better tomorrow. He sucked his last time out. :mad:

[ROXRAN]

At least Morgan has been the bright spot...nice!

[Willy92683]

Lamb isn't doing a good job of protecting morgan... two foul pop ups :mad:

[thewaterox]

Lamb isn't doing a good job of protecting morgan... two foul pop ups :mad:

I know he's in there for his lefty bat, but I would rather see Palmero in left and Lane in there for his power. :confused:

[LongTimeFan]

Patterson looks like he's about to cry

[The Real Shady]

:D YES!!! Sweet error.

[Uprising]

WOW 2HR tonight by Morgan!

(Just got back to my keyboard!) ;)

[Uprising]

Good job lamb!

Double Play LAMB! WHOOOP!

0-4 night and a DP.


Edit...sorry guys. I know I'm being a pain in the ass complainer tonight...I don't know why I'm so grumpy....

Let's go Stros!

[thewaterox]

Good job lamb!

Double Play LAMB! WHOOOP!

0-4 night and a DP.


Edit...sorry guys. I know I'm being a pain in the ass complainer tonight...I don't know why I'm so grumpy....

Let's go Stros!

Lamb is killing us! :mad:

[Uprising]

NOW that is how you PINCH HIT!!!:eek: :D

Man, he could have had a in the park HR if the ball didn't hit that corner!

[The Real Shady]

Look at big boy Lane go. If that ball would have taken a different bounce off the wall he could have had a inside the park HR.

[Uprising]

Look at big boy Lane go. If that ball would have taken a different bounce off the wall he could have had a inside the park HR.

Echoooo echooo echooooooo ;)

[The Real Shady]

Echoooo echooo echooooooo ;)

lol. Just beat me. :D

Let's go Willie T.

[Uprising]

Come on Biggio!

That was just WIlly's 17th Walk! :eek: :eek:

[Uprising]

Frank Robinsons talking to his team about our double steal plans. :)

Edit: Whooah! I'm the top poster on the last 2 pages! Freaky!

Ugh, a foul popup.

[BMoney]

Can't say we haven't had our chances tonight...

[Willy92683]

Lane should've definitely started over Lamb tonite

[T Rex]

I don't know if he's tired or just going thru a slump, but Biggio has been really struggling at the plate. 0-5 with 6 LOB tonight and 6-41 (.146) over hist past 11 games. With as many young players as we have, we can't afford to have one our veterans go thru an extended period of little-to-no production.

[Nick]

Lane should've definitely started over Lamb tonite

Don't tell that to the people who have been begging for Lane and Burke to sit on the bench.

Personally, I agree with you... not just because I think Lane has been a much better hitter than his batting average has shown (he is still suffering from that awful awful May), but I just like having Lamb's potential stick on the bench for late-game situations (or Palmeiro's for that matter).

At least we have our big guns coming up in the bottom of the 9th... time to pull out some more magic.

[Nick]

I don't know if he's tired or just going thru a slump, but Biggio has been really struggling at the plate. 0-5 with 6 LOB tonight and 6-41 (.146) over hist past 11 games. With as many young players as we have, we can't afford to have one our veterans go thru an extended period of little-to-no production.

I was just going to post something similiar. Biggio is known for having horrible August's, although last year he was great down the stretch. Overall, I'd try to give him more rest on road games, and let him swing away at home. All of his #'s are much much better at MMP... tonight's game not withstanding.

[Uprising]

Darn Morgan! ....come on Stros! Tie this puppy up!

[Nick]

Man... Cordero's got pin-point control. It doesn't matter how fast you throw it, if you can spot it where he does.

[Uprising]

HAHAHAHA!!! another DP for Lamb! Great game Lamb!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[DaDakota]

Well that SUCKED.....why can't any of our hitters go the opposite way?

It seems that we have a TON of trouble with pitchers that keep the ball on the outside half of the plate.

Only Berkman and Lane seem to go the other way.....too bad....this was a winnable game.

DD

[Willy92683]

HAHAHAHA!!! another DP for Lamb! Great game Lamb!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Lamb turned into the "goat" of the game :mad:

[rodrick_98]

lamb is starting to remind me of ausmus, but atleast lamb came up big last year in the playoffs.?.?.?.

[Howyalikemenow]

I'm tired of seeing Lamb out their for right handed pitchers. If Ausmus is out hitting you, you don't deserve to be out there... period. I'd rather see Burke or Lane, at least Burke has speed.

Lamb.... .216 average. :mad:

[Willy92683]

I'm tired of seeing Lamb out their for right handed pitchers. If Ausmus is out hitting you, you don't deserve to be out there... period. I'd rather see Burke or Lane, at least Burke has speed.

Lamb.... .216 average. :mad:

Wow, he's barely hitting over the mendoza line :eek: , I forgot that it had dipped that low already... Phil needs to bench him and have him come off the bench as a pinch hitter, which he is better suited to be on this team.

[BigCountry132]

If I were Garner, I would move biggio down to 6th in the order and have Palemerio in the 2 hole. Palmerio is a better on base guy and makes solid contact while Biggio is going through his annual slump. I also think Burke would prosper in the 2 hole b/c pitchers are probably consentrating more on Burke when he has Ausmus and the pitcher behind him; he could have success between taveras and berkman.

[thewaterox]

If I were Garner, I would move biggio down to 6th in the order and have Palemerio in the 2 hole. Palmerio is a better on base guy and makes solid contact while Biggio is going through his annual slump. I also think Burke would prosper in the 2 hole b/c pitchers are probably consentrating more on Burke when he has Ausmus and the pitcher behind him; he could have success between taveras and berkman.

I say give Biggio a break and start Burke at second. That way you can play Palmero in left and Lane in right and put Berkman back at 1st. Give Biggio a chance at home because he plays better in MMP, but on the road I think Burke's speed and bat are wasted sitting on the bench.

[swilkins]

It seems like with the number of guys we've been leaving on base we could beat the average team by 20 points.

[Uprising]

Great start Wandy!

1-0 Nats. The Boo Birds are already out! :eek: :eek:

[thewaterox]

Great start Wandy!

1-0 Nats. The Boo Birds are already out! :eek: :eek:

The home run durby has already started!

[LongTimeFan]

Did that ball ever come down? :eek:

[francis 4 prez]

we have been getting some absolutely horrendous called strike 3's lately. there is no way in hell that's a strike if there is anything other than 2 strikes in the count. and definitely not if wandy is the pitcher.


edit: and strike 1 to lamb may have been worse.

edit edit: now strike 1 to palmeiro. is eric gregg working this effing game?

[Nick]

Lamb with an early chance to redeem himself for last night's awful game.

[arkoe]

I don't like this ump or the one last night.

[Nick]

Lamb gets some luck with a bloop... now, we get our best hitter up to the plate (techinically).

[arkoe]

I love that "Thank you God" look on Lamb's face.

[arkoe]

Base clearer!

[Nick]

Phew... I love Orlando. (I told you he was our best hitter. ;) )

[francis 4 prez]

YES!!!! we get a big hit w/ RISP finally.


livan should be embarrassed to give up 4 runs with this strike zone. i think i could get a quality start.

[francis 4 prez]

eric gregg should have a plaque in cooperstown for what he did to the braves in that game.

[Nick]

Anybody else notice how both Morgan and Craig told Lamb that he didn't have to slide (by holding their hands up), and yet he slid anyways... maybe Lamb is dyslexic (and that explains why he's a great pinch-hitter, but can't hit when given ample opportunities).

[LongTimeFan]

Why do Lamb and Palmiero continue to get starts? We were doing great with Lane/Burke as the everyday outfielders and Lamb/Palmiero PH'ing.. :confused:

[Nick]

Why do Lamb and Palmiero continue to get starts? We were doing great with Lane/Burke as the everyday outfielders and Lamb/Palmiero PH'ing.. :confused:

Is this sarcasm?

[LongTimeFan]

Is this sarcasm?

Were they not the every day outfielders during our big run? :confused:

It seems like everytime I watch the Astros now, Lamb or Palmiero are starting, or both. Unless I missed something big..

EDIT: Yeah I know both had big hits tonight, but it was just a general question.

[Nick]

Were they not the every day outfielders during our big run? :confused:

It seems like everytime I watch the Astros now, Lamb or Palmiero are starting, or both. Unless I missed something big..

EDIT: Yeah I know both had big hits tonight, but it was just a general question.

Yea... I was just questioning the timing (probably would have been better off posting this last night).

Garner said before the all-star break that both these guys would be seeing more starts, especially since Lance's knee was well-enough to play in the OF.

For now, it seems like Burke/Lane get starts against all lefties and marginal right-handers (like Ryan Drese tommorow)... but Lamb/Palmeiro get the starts agains the quality right-handers. They actually have probably been about the same (wins-wise) when either tandem plays... and I don't recall a situation where not having a lefty-stick to pinch-hit has really cost them (although you're right... it would be nice to have those guys rather than Lane/Burke to pinch hit).

[thewaterox]

Were they not the every day outfielders during our big run? :confused:

It seems like everytime I watch the Astros now, Lamb or Palmiero are starting, or both. Unless I missed something big..

EDIT: Yeah I know both had big hits tonight, but it was just a general question.

You would think Lane would start tonight after the 0-5 Lamb put up yesterday not to mention the 2 double plays he hit into. He did get a nice bloop hit to keep the rally going. :)

You're right about the young guys playing more often during the run, but when ever Garner thinks a game really counts he yanks Lane and Burke in favor of the vetrans. I'm sure the fact that both Lamb and Palmiero can hit from the left side has something to do with starting them tonight.

[Nick]

You're right about the young guys playing more often during the run, but when ever Garner thinks a game really counts he yanks Lane and Burke in favor of the vetrans. I'm sure the fact that both Lamb and Palmiero can hit from the left side has something to do with starting them tonight.

Before the last road trip, we won nearly every game (minus the St. Louis sweep), and Lamb/Palmeiro played just as much as Lane/Burke. To say that Lane/Burke played the majority throughout our "big run" isn't exactly accurate.

I think Lane doesn't deserve to be benched as much, and Palmeiro deserves to start more... but for some reason, Garner refuses to break up the pairs (as if they're some set tandem duo).

[The Real Shady]

brain-dead carribean throwing slop. ;)

[Nick]

This was probably the worst possible type of inning for Wandy after his team put up a decent lead for him.

He had a 4-1 lead, and the bottom of the order... a walk and 2 hits later, its a one run game and the guy who just hit a ball that never landed is up again.

[Nick]

I'm predicting a "bullpen" game again... perhaps Nieve will get his chance sooner than he thinks.

[arkoe]

Well crap. I do wish Ausmus was in this game.

[The Cat]

Why do Lamb and Palmiero continue to get starts? We were doing great with Lane/Burke as the everyday outfielders and Lamb/Palmiero PH'ing.. :confused:

We were winning in spite of Burke, not because of him. He's terrible. I agree on keeping Lane in the lineup ahead of Lamb, but Palmeiro should see the majority of starts over Burke. The numbers aren't even close.

My question is why Lamb and Palmeiro have to play together. Garner never starts one without the other. While having a lefty stick is an advantage, Lane's having a very solid season and has been hot recently. I'd like to get him as much playing time now as we could to ride that streak. My ideal lineup would be Berkman at first, Lane in right and Palmeiro in left... but Garner has never tried that combination.

[LongTimeFan]

We were winning in spite of Burke, not because of him. He's terrible. I agree on keeping Lane in the lineup ahead of Lamb, but Palmeiro should see the majority of starts over Burke. The numbers aren't even close.

I'm too lazy to ever bring specific numbers into any argument, but I disagree. Burke, at first, was hurting us with his bat. But lately he's turned it around and has been having great AB's. Add that to the fact that he's becoming more than an average OF'er (defensively), I think he deserves more of a shot than Lamb.

[thewaterox]

We were winning in spite of Burke, not because of him. He's terrible. I agree on keeping Lane in the lineup ahead of Lamb, but Palmeiro should see the majority of starts over Burke. The numbers aren't even close.

My question is why Lamb and Palmeiro have to play together. Garner never starts one without the other. While having a lefty stick is an advantage, Lane's having a very solid season and has been hot recently. I'd like to get him as much playing time now as we could to ride that streak. My ideal lineup would be Berkman at first, Lane in right and Palmeiro in left... but Garner has never tried that combination.

I like your ideal lineup. You could put Palmeiro behind Morgan in the lineup followed by Lane to make sure they pitch to Morgan. Plus you would still have a lefty to PH in Lamb if you need him. Why Garner never tries this lineup is beyond me. :confused:

[arkoe]

Someone give Berkman a twinkie!

[Nick]

My question is why Lamb and Palmeiro have to play together. Garner never starts one without the other. While having a lefty stick is an advantage, Lane's having a very solid season and has been hot recently. I'd like to get him as much playing time now as we could to ride that streak. My ideal lineup would be Berkman at first, Lane in right and Palmeiro in left... but Garner has never tried that combination.

Hmm... is there an echo in here?... or did you just subtly steal my thunder! :D

I think Lane doesn't deserve to be benched as much, and Palmeiro deserves to start more... but for some reason, Garner refuses to break up the pairs (as if they're some set tandem duo).

[arkoe]

This huge strike zone is definately to Livan's advantage.

[T Rex]

Phil needs to have a quick hook with Wandy tonight.....his location is way off and his body language says he's just frustrated (another great thing about the big three is that they never appear flustered). To give back the lead after losing last night and having a big 1st inning could be very discouraging.

At least Biggio seems to be coming out of his mini-slump.....we've got to have him hitting before the big 2 in our lineup come up.

[Willy92683]

That 3rd inning looked a lot better for Wandy, hopefully he keeps it up and gives the team at least 5 innings

[arkoe]

That 3rd inning looked a lot better for Wandy, hopefully he keeps it up and gives the team at least 5 innings

It could be a great confidence booster for him if he could pull a W out of this game.

[Willy92683]

That 3rd inning looked a lot better for Wandy, hopefully he keeps it up and gives the team at least 5 innings

Too bad it looks like Livan has settled into a groove too :mad:

[arkoe]

Frank looks sleepy.

[arkoe]

Big Shot Bob in attendance.

[arkoe]

Good God. Livan goes long.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

I told you, he's on steroids.

[Willy92683]

Good God. Livan goes long.

Giving up a HR to the opposing pitcher is inexcusable, no matter who it is. :mad: :mad:

My guess is Wandy's night is over

[The Cat]

haha, sorry about that Nick. I saw the Burke post and replied before I took a glance at the rest of the page. :)

I'm too lazy to ever bring specific numbers into any argument, but I disagree. Burke, at first, was hurting us with his bat. But lately he's turned it around and has been having great AB's. Add that to the fact that he's becoming more than an average OF'er (defensively), I think he deserves more of a shot than Lamb.

Burke hit .238 in April, .244 in June, .244 in July and .188 in August. He's actually been one of the most consistent players on our team; sadly, it's just been consistently bad. He's had a few good series against the weak pitching rotations of the Rockies, Pirates and Giants of the world, but he's been consistently overmatched against solid major league pitching.

That said, I'll agree that Lamb hasn't been much better. But he does have a little more power, and he does have the advantage of being a lefty. imo, using Lamb against the righties and Burke against lefties is a good call... but neither should see that much playing time overall. Lane and Palmeiro should both be starting a little more than they are.

[Nick]

Big Shot Bob in attendance.

Is it really Horry?... because on the radio, Ashby said "Will Smith in the crowd tonight." (no joke).

[Willy92683]

Is it really Horry?... because on the radio, Ashby said "Will Smith in the crowd tonight." (no joke).

No, it's "Big shot Bob" not Will Smith, although they do look similar.

Nice two out double by Biggio, CLUTCH :D

[Willy92683]

Great DP started by Berkman.... way to get Wandy thru 5 innings ;)

[PhiSlammaJamma]

phew. Now let's get out of here with our bullpen.

[Willy92683]

Damn Mike Lamb with another GIDP :mad: ruined OP's chance to drive in any extra runs

[Nick]

Something's wrong here... I'm actually happy to see Springer in this game.

[Texas Stoke]

Willy T is the Yao Ming of baseball - he never gets the call.

that'd be funny if Ashby really thought that Horry was Will Smith.

[francis 4 prez]

the way livan seems to be able to hit that spot 7 inches off the corner over and over again makes it weird that he isn't better. i mean, once the ump lets him cheat, he never misses, or he just barely does. biggio should have had 3-1 instead of 2-2.

[The Real Shady]

DAAMMMNNN!! Livan is calling out Morgan.

[arkoe]

Why would you rather pitch to Ensberg? Berkman hasn't hit anything all night.

[arkoe]

Ground rule double.

[arkoe]

the way livan seems to be able to hit that spot 7 inches off the corner over and over again makes it weird that he isn't better. i mean, once the ump lets him cheat, he never misses, or he just barely does. biggio should have had 3-1 instead of 2-2.

If they called the strike zone correctly, we'd be even farther up.

[Uprising]

I KNEW IT!

I was wondering how in the hell did they change the ball 3 number on the screen so fast.

Freakin, Lamb was batting still with a 4 balls 2 strike count! :mad: :mad: DUMB UPM!....and LAMB! You need to know the stats! :eek: :( :D

ANyone else notice this? FSSW just showed it in a replay.

[Willy92683]

I KNEW IT!

I was wondering how in the hell did they change the ball 3 number on the screen so fast.

Freakin, Lamb was batting still with a 4 balls 2 strike count! :mad: :mad: DUMB UPM!....and LAMB! You need to know the stats! :eek: :( :D

ANyone else notice this? FSSW just showed it in a replay.

Yeah, I found that funny, Lamb must be brain-dead up there at the plate

[arkoe]

I KNEW IT!

I was wondering how in the hell did they change the ball 3 number on the screen so fast.

Freakin, Lamb was batting still with a 4 balls 2 strike count! :mad: :mad: DUMB UPM!....and LAMB! You need to know the stats! :eek: :( :D

ANyone else notice this? FSSW just showed it in a replay.

I noticed it when he got the last ball that he already had three up in the FSN HOUSTON bar. Since I wasn't paying close attention I just assumed that the person updating the graphic had made a mistake.

[arkoe]

Palmeirio needs to start more.

[arkoe]

Why would you rather pitch to Ensberg? Berkman hasn't hit anything all night.

Nobody?

[arkoe]

I want to see Willy T. get Rookie of the Year. If he keeps this up, man.

Top of the line-up and Palmeiro are on fire. Now if only Berkman could get a hit...

[Nick]

Nobody?

Well, my only explanation is Ensberg hadn't exactly done much tonight either... and had looked just as silly on one of his K's. Also, while Berkman hadn't done much tonight, he does have pretty good lifetime #'s against Hernandez... and he is a lefty.

In the end, it cost them... but I can somewhat see the reasoning behind it.

[francis 4 prez]

is lance trying to get to the postgame spread quicker or something? try to draw the walk and load the bases for ensberg instead of swinging at pitches low and on the outside corner which are easy to hit grounders on.

[Nick]

is lance trying to get to the postgame spread quicker or something? try to draw the walk and load the bases for ensberg instead of swinging at pitches low and on the outside corner which are easy to hit grounders on.

Yes... he is. Have you seen Lance?... he's no slim chicken. :D

[Uprising]

Lance has had one hell of an awful series.

Should have been a DP there, but now tying run at the plate...NO OUTS!

[arkoe]

Lidge likes it interesting.

[Uprising]

WOW! Great DP there by Lance! HAHAHA! Way to try to make me eat crow Lance! Now, you just need to get a hit in this series.

[arkoe]

Wow, way to make up for the miscue earlier. I don't like seeing Berkman dive headfirst into first though while he's on offense, much less defense.

[Uprising]

Not so lights out tonight for Lidge. Get this last out Lidge!

7-6.

2 on, 2 outs, 29pitches so far for LIDGE.

Take him out, he is having HUGE command problems! This is getting scary! :eek: :eek: :eek: :o :(

[Nick]

This may be the first time I've ever been nervous during a Lidge save attempt.

EDIT: I don't think Lidge has it tonight... perhaps bring in Burns.

[The Real Shady]

Holly CRAP!!!! Come on Lidge. :eek: :(

[francis 4 prez]

uhhhh, brad?

[Uprising]

Time to pull Lidge?

29 pitches....2 on. 2 outs. No command of his pitch.

Tieing run on 3rd. :eek: :eek: :(

[Uprising]

WHOOOO! Game over.....YIKES! :eek: :D

[Nick]

Lidge just wanted to give Washington another 1 inning loss.

Frankly, that's twice this year he's let them back into the game in his saves... we need to blow them out tommorow (Lidge is probably not available anyways).

[The Real Shady]

WOW!! Close call. :D

[francis 4 prez]

phew!!! well that puts an end to one of the uglier games of baseball i've seen in a while.

[arkoe]

Of course he's more than happy to challenge Guillen. What a nutty ninth.

[Surfguy]

Thanks for the huge scare, Lidge. WOW! I was freaking OUT!

[PhiSlammaJamma]

phew.

[DaDakota]

Whew.


Can someone explain to me why Palmero is not playing every single day?

Put Berkman at first, sit Lamb, and play Tavarez, Lane and Palmero in the outfield with Burke as the sub for OF and 2b.

DD

[T Rex]

It's amazing when you're reduced to one pitch, even if it is a 90+ mph fastball, what ML hitters can do. Brad's money pitch is his slider....when he can't locate that, it can get interesting.

[RocketFan007]

=Can someone explain to me why Palmero is not playing every single day?

Put Berkman at first, sit Lamb, and play Tavarez, Lane and Palmero in the outfield with Burke as the sub for OF and 2b.

DD

I agree, he's been great all season, we should stick with him. I'd rather hace Lane than Lamb as well.

[Kerfeld]

I think Palmero has proven over his career that he is a role player and not suited for everyday play. I agree this guy has been nothing short of great for the stros on offense and as a defensive replacement as well. Anyway, was at the game tonite, we need to get that place going again. Hopefully the bats will get going again and we can get on another roll. sunday's victory against the giants showed me a lot about the heart of this team. They will not give up.

On a completely different note, is it interesting that the Astros get no pub from the media. Could you imagine if one of the new york teams had gone 36-10 a year ago and then went 42-18 over 60 games during the reg season. They would all over the place, on the cover of SI, etc. We dont even get a mention in any of these publications. Thats ok, Keep giving the A's all the attention and hopefully the astros will just keep winning.

[T Rex]

Whew.


Can someone explain to me why Palmero is not playing every single day?

Put Berkman at first, sit Lamb, and play Tavarez, Lane and Palmero in the outfield with Burke as the sub for OF and 2b.

DD

OP is having a great stretch lately, but he can't hit leftys....platoon player all the way.

2005: vs. RHP .351, vs. LHP .158.
2004: vs. RHP .248, vs. LHP .167.

[Fegwu]

I question Frank Robinson's late game management but I am not complaining. Bringing in a hurting Guillen who has not seen live pitching in a long while for a warm body like Preston who is likely to get a needed hit there for them beats me.

Even though Preston has struggled, he still had a better chance of hitting Lidge's fastball and slider than Jose. In 5 ABs, Preston has one hit against Lidge and that hit was 2-run homer (only 1 K) while Jose is 0-4 lifetime (before today's game) against Brad (3 strike outs).

Oh well - good for us.

Now take the rubber game.

[wrath_of_khan]

On a completely different note, is it interesting that the Astros get no pub from the media. Could you imagine if one of the new york teams had gone 36-10 a year ago and then went 42-18 over 60 games during the reg season. They would all over the place, on the cover of SI, etc. We dont even get a mention in any of these publications. Thats ok, Keep giving the A's all the attention and hopefully the astros will just keep winning.

Huh? They were complete media darlings around the All Star Break. You couldn't read a baseball article in the sports section of any website (SI.com, ESPN.com, MSNBC.com) without someone writing about how the Stros were the team to beat for the Wild Card -- and this was when we were behind the Gnats.

Plus, the guys on Baseball Tonight talked about the Stros all the time.

Oh, and the "Inside Baseball" section of this week's SI features Ensberg and Berkman.

I usually agree about the media bias, but I don't think it applies here.

[bobrek]

OP is having a great stretch lately, but he can't hit leftys....platoon player all the way.

2005: vs. RHP .351, vs. LHP .158.
2004: vs. RHP .248, vs. LHP .167.

I think the actual question is why isn't he playing everyday against right handers (which would be 75-80% of the time). It was reasonable to keep Burke in the lineup and give him his at bats where he didn't have to worry about being "benched". Now that it's crunch time, you've got to go with the guys that are consistently getting it done.

[xiki]

Huh? They were complete media darlings around the All Star Break. You couldn't read a baseball article in the sports section of any website (SI.com, ESPN.com, MSNBC.com) without someone writing about how the Stros were the team to beat for the Wild Card -- and this was when we were behind the Gnats.

Plus, the guys on Baseball Tonight talked about the Stros all the time.

Oh, and the "Inside Baseball" section of this week's SI features Ensberg and Berkman.

I usually agree about the media bias, but I don't think it applies here.

NYTimes had a big piece over the week-end, WSJ around ASG.

Clemens gets lots of pub. But -- who's on 3rd for 'stros? How many 'outside the loop' could answer that one?

[xiki]

NYTimes had a big piece over the week-end, WSJ around ASG.

Clemens gets lots of pub. But -- who's on 3rd for 'stros? How many 'outside the loop' could answer that one?

Or, how far from 3000 is Bigg? (BTW - how many does he still need???)

[bobrek]

Or, how far from 3000 is Bigg? (BTW - how many does he still need???)

You could go to the ESPN web site and check that out. At his current pace, he probably won't make it until early 2007. There is no need for the national media to chronicle/publicize his climb to 3000 until late (or after) next season.

[Howyalikemenow]

Whew.


Can someone explain to me why Palmero is not playing every single day?

Put Berkman at first, sit Lamb, and play Tavarez, Lane and Palmero in the outfield with Burke as the sub for OF and 2b.

DD

My thoughts exactly!

Garner is all about percentages, but how can he keep looking for Lamb to hit when he's flat out not producing, and Berkman is a much better first baseman.

[rrj_gamz]

They need to win 2night...and then continue winning...The WC race is so close and honestly, the Stros' can win it...

[Groogrux]

My thoughts exactly!

Garner is all about percentages, but how can he keep looking for Lamb to hit when he's flat out not producing, and Berkman is a much better first baseman.

Before Tuesday night, Mike Lamb had 5 HRs in his last 13 games. At least that's what the scoreboard said.

[kaleidosky]

NYTimes had a big piece over the week-end, WSJ around ASG.

Clemens gets lots of pub. But -- who's on 3rd for 'stros? How many 'outside the loop' could answer that one?


Actually, I think a lot of ppl can answer that now. Morgan got so much pub at the all star break. Couldn't hit ESPN or espn.com without hearing/seeing that he was the biggest snub on either side. Seen at least a couple of minor things on him since. I think since that snub, ppl are realizing what a good year he's had a lot more than some of us realize

[Saint Louis]

This may be the first time I've ever been nervous during a Lidge save attempt.

EDIT: I don't think Lidge has it tonight... perhaps bring in Burns.

So Lidge is human!!!!!!!! :eek:

[Howyalikemenow]

Before Tuesday night, Mike Lamb had 5 HRs in his last 13 games. At least that's what the scoreboard said.

Well, he has 7 total HRs... that's not very impressive. :rolleyes:

Much less the rest of his statistics...

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?c_id=hou

[Major]

Well, he has 7 total HRs... that's not very impressive. :rolleyes:

Much less the rest of his statistics...

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?c_id=hou

Of course, most managers prefer to look past a half-season worth of stats when making judgements about players.

[The Real Shady]

Jason Lane and Orlando Palmero are SO hot right now.

Orlando Palmero should be in the lineup everytime a right-handed pitcher is going. For the year he's hitting

vs Right-handed Pitchers
.362 AVG .397 OBP .565 SLG

After All-Star Break against everyone
.397 AVG .429 OBP .552 SLG

Jason Lane after the all-star break is
.359 AVG .388 OBP .625 SLG

Both of these guys should see about 80% of the playing time until they cool-off with Burke and Lamb being the top bats off the bench.

[Kerfeld]

Huh? They were complete media darlings around the All Star Break. You couldn't read a baseball article in the sports section of any website (SI.com, ESPN.com, MSNBC.com) without someone writing about how the Stros were the team to beat for the Wild Card -- and this was when we were behind the Gnats.

Plus, the guys on Baseball Tonight talked about the Stros all the time.

Oh, and the "Inside Baseball" section of this week's SI features Ensberg and Berkman.

I usually agree about the media bias, but I don't think it applies here.

I guess I have not gotten my latest issue of SI yet.

[Kerfeld]

Wrath, I see your point and I do agree with that they have been mentioned, but the point I wanted to stress is that the coverage for them is nowhere where it should be. Can you honestly tell me the national media has talked about the stros half as much as they have talked about the A's.

[xiki]

You could go to the ESPN web site and check that out. At his current pace, he probably won't make it until early 2007. There is no need for the national media to chronicle/publicize his climb to 3000 until late (or after) next season.

Still going pretty strong for an AARPer, or a kidm actually.

[wrath_of_khan]

Wrath, I see your point and I do agree with that they have been mentioned, but the point I wanted to stress is that the coverage for them is nowhere where it should be. Can you honestly tell me the national media has talked about the stros half as much as they have talked about the A's.

I have no idea if they’re mentioned as often as the A’s because I don’t really pay attention to A’s coverage. (However, I'd venture to guess that they're getting more than half the coverage.)

Your first post said the Stros get “no pub from the media.” That’s definitely been true in the past, but myself and other posters pointed out it’s far from true this year (coverage about our turnaround, stories about the Ensberg All-Star snub, daily articles about Clemens’ season, etc.).

So now you’re asking if the Stros are mentioned as much as the A’s. I don’t know, but that wasn’t your first point and it has nothing to do with whether or not the Stros are getting national press.

(As to your new point, I think the amount of press the Stros are getting is where it should be. Personally, I'd rather we sneak up on people in October than have a bulls-eye on our heads after being over-hyped all summer.)

[Uprising]

Anyone know what our rotation order is?

I want to go to a game this weekend/early next week, but I don't really want to be at a Zeke/Wandy game. I haven't seen Clemens yet, does he pitch next? Games I'm looking to go to are Sunday and/or Monday. I might go to Sat's game, but not sure.

[bobrek]

Anyone know what our rotation order is?

I want to go to a game this weekend/early next week, but I don't really want to be at a Zeke/Wandy game. I haven't seen Clemens yet, does he pitch next? Games I'm looking to go to are Sunday and/or Monday. I might go to Sat's game, but not sure.

The rotation is the same as it's been for a while now:

Pettitte
Oswalt
Clemens
Astacio
Rodriguez

Recently, Garner has kept the rotation in tact over off days, but that is subject to change as the season wears on.

[rikesh316]

Why wouldn't you want to go to a Zeke or Wandy pitched game. That's your best chance to catch a homer.

[Uprising]

The rotation is the same as it's been for a while now:

Pettitte
Oswalt
Clemens
Astacio
Rodriguez

Recently, Garner has kept the rotation in tact over off days, but that is subject to change as the season wears on.

Cool thanks, I wasn't sure if Clemens or Oswalt was right after Petitte. I've seen Oswalt pitch 98% of the games I go to, and was hoping to see Clemens. This works out perfectly. :)

[Uprising]

Why wouldn't you want to go to a Zeke or Wandy pitched game. That's your best chance to catch a homer.


I'd rather catch an Astro Homer, if I catch an opposing team's HR it's going right back onto the field. I'm not keeping that crap.

[Kerfeld]

tonite's game is huge. The Astros need to pull this one out. I never thought Philadelphia would be playing as well as they are, but for some reason the team I am scared of the most is the Marlins. That is going to make that series in the middle of september at home HUGE! It is also a four-gamer.

[thewaterox]

tonite's game is huge. The Astros need to pull this one out. I never thought Philadelphia would be playing as well as they are, but for some reason the team I am scared of the most is the Marlins. That is going to make that series in the middle of september at home HUGE! It is also a four-gamer.

What's great is all the National League East teams play each other a bunch between now and the end of the season and that includes the Braves. We face weaker teams in the NL Central, so I like our chances. :cool:

[Nick]

What's great is all the National League East teams play each other a bunch between now and the end of the season and that includes the Braves. We face weaker teams in the NL Central, so I like our chances. :cool:

Phil Garner also brought some more optimism to the table to look forward to in September.

He said that when Backe comes back (not if), this long break should actually benefit him especially since he's a guy who's never pitched as a starter for an entire season... thus, there's a good chance that if he hadn't gotten injured, his arm would have been in pretty bad shape come September/post-season.

If Backe can come anywhere close to how he performed in last year's playoffs... that gives us a 1-4 that is BETTER than any other playoff contender out there. Sure, you still need timely hitting... but its nice to not have to worry about having to throw guys out there on 3 days rest, or having Pete Munro try to win a game that could send you to the World Series.

[The Real Shady]

LOL!! @ Berkman. :D

[arkoe]

We need a new 3rd base coach. Berkman wasn't even close.

[The Real Shady]

We need a new 3rd base coach. Berkman wasn't even close.

It looked like Berkman thought about running into the catcher hard, and then at the last minute was like fu.ck it.

[rikesh316]

Why the hell did the 3rd base coach send him. Guillen has the 3rd best arm in baseball behind Ichrio and Vlad.

[chuichuitrain]

since bruntlett is superman, i'm going to forgive him for that DP

[juicystream]

I'm not sure about having Bruntlett hitting 6th in the lineup. I really wish we had one more good quality bat to add to this lineup. I like Bruntlett, but Ausmus and Burke are better hitters than him.

[Nick]

since bruntlett is superman, i'm going to forgive him for that DP

Yep... he probably bought himself the type of immunity that Greg Zaun had for all of 2002, after he hit that walkoff grand slam against Arizona.

As long as Bruntlett can continue to deliver in pinch-hits, and play solid defense (which he does... wherever Garner puts him), he's just fine with me.

Every team could use a guy like him.

[rikesh316]

Ausmus is not a better hitter than Bruntlett.

[Svpernaut]

They just showed T-Mak at the game... that was a pimpin' brown Stros cap he had on.

[NIKEstrad]

It looked like Berkman thought about running into the catcher hard, and then at the last minute was like fu.ck it.

Given Berkman's knee, I'm glad he did. With a 1-0 lead early in the game, and Pettitte pitching, we don't need Berkman to ruin our season by blowing out his knee.

Looking good so far.

[Puedlfor]

As long as Bruntlett can continue to deliver in pinch-hits, and play solid defense (which he does... wherever Garner puts him), he's just fine with me.

I would've used a stronger adjective than solid, I think he's exceptional defensively. I think he had something like four hits in July - one was the walkoff homer against the Natty Lites, one was a triple that broke open a game against Pitt, and another was a homer against the Mets in that game we lost.

He's the Heir Apparent to Bill Spiers - who is something of a minor deity.

[Svpernaut]

He's the Heir Apparent to Bill Spiers - who is something of a minor deity.

Great comparison... I loved Billy Spiers, and ever since he had to retire because of his back problems we've needed another player like him. The good news is I think Bruntlett is even more talented to Spiers.

[Svpernaut]

Man, Ensberg is a star in the making.

[Nick]

Who's got dibs on the 4-6-3 with Ausmus up... any takers? Anybody???

EDIT: I LOVE BEING WRONG!!!

[Astro101]

Woo! Go Nextel Negative Stat!

[NIKEstrad]

Who's got dibs on the 4-6-3 with Ausmus up... any takers? Anybody???

EDIT: I LOVE BEING WRONG!!!

Exactly what I was thinking...I was feeling the 5-4-3 inning ender.

Pettitte's at 78 pitches through 6 innings, I'm guessing they'll get one more out of him and give him an early night

[GraingerGuy]

Woo! Even Pettitte got a hit off of their pitcher! Yay for having only one out with the top of the order coming up!

[ROXRAN]

Should have scored, but 6 to nothing is nice...

[chuichuitrain]

Should have scored, but 6 to nothing is nice...

yeah, but the astros gotta learn to convert with the bases loaded.. i've watched way too many games where we just end up stranding everybody :(

[Nick]

yeah, but the astros gotta learn to convert with the bases loaded.. i've watched way too many games where we just end up stranding everybody :(

But, Ausmus already converted on the other bases loaded situation in the inning.

To ask for conversions in every single bases loaded situation you have is just tempting the baseball gods... especially since they gave us the gift with Ensberg beating the rundown.

[francis 4 prez]

the thing that was so nice about spiers is he hit about .270-.280 and it seemed like, even when he got out, he always made nice contact. you didn't see him go down swinging at sliders in the dirt or anything and he didn't really hit homers, he just made nice contact. and played a ton of positions. he was indeed a minor deity.


edit: i shortchanged him. he hit .288 in his 5 main seasons with us.

[Raven Lunatic]

The main difference is that, when healthy, Bill Spiers was a legitimate #2 hitter in a good batting order for the Astros. Bruntlett may be developing a little bit of a legend status this season, but he is far from the hitter Bill Spiers was.

[Uprising]

WOW! what a play by Morgan! :eek: :eek:

[francis 4 prez]

in addition to being a great hitter, that bob stoops is a very nice fielder.

[Kerfeld]

Come on Lance, pad this lead

[Uprising]

Come on Wheeler! I almost had a heartattack last night. End this game!!!!


BRad Lidge is warming up in the bullpen.

[CHAD444]

6-3 now :rolleyes: :eek:

[Uprising]

Lidge is now up in the Bullpen.

[CHAD444]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;) :)
6-3

[Kerfeld]

Yeah Boyeeeee!!!!!!!!

[Uprising]

WHOOO! Game over!

8 straight series wins at home! :D

[Nick]

The Nats are damn pesky... I'm glad we're done with them. Even though we won 5 of the 7 games, there was only one game that was truly a blowout (the 14-1 game).

The Marlins also lost tonight... that leaves the Phillies as the only team within 2 games of us. I still hold strong that the NL East teams are all gonna beat up on each other, and whoever is the "best" of that bunch will be our main competition (thus, we should really just root for the Braves... if they end up being the best team in the NL East head-to-head competition down the stretch, there really is no competition for the wild card.)

[Svpernaut]

6-3 now :rolleyes: :eek:

Wheeler just gave up the homer so he'd get a save ;-)

[Nick]

Wheeler just gave up the homer so he'd get a save ;-)

He actually doesn't get one... and the inventor of the "save" stat laughs at you. :D

[ruddy5]

He actually doesn't get one... and the inventor of the "save" stat laughs at you. :D

Good one :D also for my Aztross. Go strosss!!!!!!

[RocketManJosh]

Chalk up another series win! Time to sweep the Pirates and put some real distance between us and all the pretenders

[PhiSlammaJamma]

I would like to know how schilling got a save the other night. score 11-7. Schilling comes in 2nd and 3rd. He walks the bases loaded. Then gets out of the jam. WTF. He tried to fantasy **** me. I didn't think you could get a save in that situation.

[francis 4 prez]

I would like to know how schilling got a save the other night. score 11-7. Schilling comes in 2nd and 3rd. He walks the bases loaded. Then gets out of the jam. WTF. He tried to fantasy **** me. I didn't think you could get a save in that situation.


if the guy in the on deck circle represents the tying run when you come in, you can get a save and that's what happened here.

[dylan]

He's the Heir Apparent to Bill Spiers - who is something of a minor deity.

All due respect but please give Bruntlett 4 more years of stellar play, giving it all for the team, being the epitome of team player before comparing him to The Great Bill Spiers.

[T-2]

(thus, we should really just root for the Braves... if they end up being the best team in the NL East head-to-head competition down the stretch, there really is no competition for the wild card.)

Yes, if the Braves are playing the NL East teams, that is well and good, but I'm hoping they lose all the other games, to bring them down to the pack as well, in case a team like Philly goes on a tear.

[Fegwu]

All due respect but please give Bruntlett 4 more years of stellar play, giving it all for the team, being the epitome of team player before comparing him to The Great Bill Spiers.

I agree.

Mentioning Spiers and Bruntlet names in the same sentence (as in that context) is both premature and somewhat disrecpectful to Billy.

Let Brunt do his thing for more that 2 seasons then we can talk. He has to hit well and consistently through a full season as well.

[liamrock]

Well, I know the first inclination is to expect a sweep over the Pirates. But their kid who's throwing tonight has been stellar. And Roy O has been average at best over his last 3 starts. Let's hope the dead arm is better.

With the Nats going to Coors/Phills facing Peavy and SD/Marlins facing Lowry(who shut us down), we have a chance to gain so more ground with a W.

[bobrek]

He actually doesn't get one... and the inventor of the "save" stat laughs at you. :D

Actually, when saves first became an official stat in 1969, all a reliever had to do was finish a game to get a save, regardless of the score or situation. It is the modifier of the "save" stat that would laugh at him. :)